Re: [Amendment] Reaffirm current requirements for GR sponsoring

2009-04-11 Thread Kalle Kivimaa
Kurt Roeckx k...@roeckx.be writes: Anyway, there is also this section in the constitution: A.5. Expiry If a proposed resolution has not been discussed, amended, voted on or otherwise dealt with for 4 weeks the secretary may issue a statement that the issue is being withdrawn. If

Re: [Amendment] Reaffirm current requirements for GR sponsoring

2009-04-09 Thread Anthony Towns
On Thu, Mar 26, 2009 at 09:01:38AM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote: On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 04:10:49PM -0700, Lucas Nussbaum wrote: General Resolutions are an important framework within the Debian Project. [...] I realise there are already sufficient seconds to make this a valid option on the

Re: [Amendment] Reaffirm current requirements for GR sponsoring

2009-04-09 Thread Kurt Roeckx
On Thu, Apr 09, 2009 at 04:09:43PM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote: On Thu, Mar 26, 2009 at 09:01:38AM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote: On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 04:10:49PM -0700, Lucas Nussbaum wrote: General Resolutions are an important framework within the Debian Project. [...] I realise there

Re: [Amendment] Reaffirm current requirements for GR sponsoring

2009-03-26 Thread Frans Pop
Steve Langasek wrote: On Thu, Mar 26, 2009 at 02:12:17AM +0100, Frans Pop wrote: Getting seconds is not a vote. It's a low-level check that there is minimum support for an opinion. It's also the most reliable way for a developer to issue a statement of support that will be seen by voters

Re: [Amendment] Reaffirm current requirements for GR sponsoring

2009-03-26 Thread Frans Pop
Charles Plessy wrote: Le Thu, Mar 26, 2009 at 02:12:17AM +0100, Frans Pop a écrit : Fun! Maybe we should just dispense with the voting and just let the highest number of seconds win? That sounds like a good idea. Since it is a supermajority vote, I recommend to the proposer to drop the GR

Re: [Amendment] Reaffirm current requirements for GR sponsoring

2009-03-26 Thread Steve Langasek
On Thu, Mar 26, 2009 at 01:26:33PM +0100, Frans Pop wrote: Are you promoting the practice of voting by I haven't got a clue what this vote is about, but my friend X is supporting option C so I'll vote for that here? I know it happens, but I'd prefer to make that harder rather than

Re: [Amendment] Reaffirm current requirements for GR sponsoring

2009-03-26 Thread Robert Millan
On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 04:10:49PM -0700, Lucas Nussbaum wrote: Hi, I am hereby proposing the amendment below to the general resolution entitled Enhance requirements for General resolutions. PROPOSAL START = General

Re: [Amendment] Reaffirm current requirements for GR sponsoring

2009-03-25 Thread Raphael Hertzog
On Tue, 24 Mar 2009, Lucas Nussbaum wrote: PROPOSAL START = General Resolutions are an important framework within the Debian Project. While over those years, some problems have arised during the discussion and/or voting of

Re: [Amendment] Reaffirm current requirements for GR sponsoring

2009-03-25 Thread Julien BLACHE
Lucas Nussbaum lu...@lucas-nussbaum.net wrote: Hi, I am hereby proposing the amendment below to the general resolution entitled Enhance requirements for General resolutions. PROPOSAL START = General Resolutions are an

Re: [Amendment] Reaffirm current requirements for GR sponsoring

2009-03-25 Thread Matthew Vernon
Lucas Nussbaum lu...@lucas-nussbaum.net writes: Hi, I am hereby proposing the amendment below to the general resolution entitled Enhance requirements for General resolutions. PROPOSAL START = General Resolutions are an

Re: [Amendment] Reaffirm current requirements for GR sponsoring

2009-03-25 Thread Wouter Verhelst
Not that it makes much difference to 'further discussion', but: On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 04:10:49PM -0700, Lucas Nussbaum wrote: PROPOSAL START = General Resolutions are an important framework within the Debian Project. While

Re: [Amendment] Reaffirm current requirements for GR sponsoring

2009-03-25 Thread Kurt Roeckx
On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 12:25:34PM +, Matthew Vernon wrote: Lucas Nussbaum lu...@lucas-nussbaum.net writes: Hi, I am hereby proposing the amendment below to the general resolution entitled Enhance requirements for General resolutions. PROPOSAL START

Re: [Amendment] Reaffirm current requirements for GR sponsoring

2009-03-25 Thread Anthony Towns
On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 04:10:49PM -0700, Lucas Nussbaum wrote: PROPOSAL START = General Resolutions are an important framework within the Debian Project. While over those years, some problems have arised during the

Re: [Amendment] Reaffirm current requirements for GR sponsoring

2009-03-25 Thread Ian Jackson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Lucas Nussbaum writes ([Amendment] Reaffirm current requirements for GR sponsoring): I hope that Bill Allombert will rescind his own amendment. If he chooses to keep it, I might rescind this one instead (we don't need two keep things as is options

Re: [Amendment] Reaffirm current requirements for GR sponsoring

2009-03-25 Thread Kurt Roeckx
On Thu, Mar 26, 2009 at 09:01:38AM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote: On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 04:10:49PM -0700, Lucas Nussbaum wrote: PROPOSAL START = General Resolutions are an important framework within the Debian Project.

Re: [Amendment] Reaffirm current requirements for GR sponsoring

2009-03-25 Thread Kurt Roeckx
On Thu, Mar 26, 2009 at 12:26:59AM +0100, Kurt Roeckx wrote: On Thu, Mar 26, 2009 at 09:01:38AM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote: On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 04:10:49PM -0700, Lucas Nussbaum wrote: PROPOSAL START = General

Re: [Amendment] Reaffirm current requirements for GR sponsoring

2009-03-25 Thread Bill Allombert
On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 04:10:49PM -0700, Lucas Nussbaum wrote: Hi, I am hereby proposing the amendment below to the general resolution entitled Enhance requirements for General resolutions. PROPOSAL START = General

Re: [Amendment] Reaffirm current requirements for GR sponsoring

2009-03-25 Thread Frans Pop
Seconded! I know it has been seconded by 5 other DDs already. Fun! Maybe we should just dispense with the voting and just let the highest number of seconds win [1]? /me also watches Kurt scrambling to keep up with the amendmends, seconds and rescinds and would like to note that he seems to be

Re: [Amendment] Reaffirm current requirements for GR sponsoring

2009-03-25 Thread Steve Langasek
On Thu, Mar 26, 2009 at 02:12:17AM +0100, Frans Pop wrote: Getting seconds is not a vote. It's a low-level check that there is minimum support for an opinion. It's also the most reliable way for a developer to issue a statement of support that will be seen by voters prior to the vote. Many

Re: [Amendment] Reaffirm current requirements for GR sponsoring

2009-03-25 Thread Charles Plessy
Le Thu, Mar 26, 2009 at 02:12:17AM +0100, Frans Pop a écrit : Fun! Maybe we should just dispense with the voting and just let the highest number of seconds win? That sounds like a good idea. Since it is a supermajority vote, I recommend to the proposer to drop the GR if he does not manage to

Re: [Amendment] Reaffirm current requirements for GR sponsoring

2009-03-25 Thread Russ Allbery
Frans Pop elen...@planet.nl writes: Fun! Maybe we should just dispense with the voting and just let the highest number of seconds win [1]? One of the primary objections to this proposal is that it will be too hard to get the new required number of seconds. It seems quite reasonable to put

Re: [Amendment] Reaffirm current requirements for GR sponsoring

2009-03-25 Thread Frans Pop
Ben Finney wrote: A second is not a vote. That is, it's not a statement that the person prefers that option above all others; it's merely a statement that the person prefers that option to appear on the ballot. Eh, I guess I could have been more obvious than prepending that sentence with Fun!

Re: [Amendment] Reaffirm current requirements for GR sponsoring

2009-03-25 Thread Ben Finney
Frans Pop elen...@planet.nl writes: Eh, I guess I could have been more obvious than prepending that sentence with Fun! to indicate that I was making a joke. But if you'd read on, you'd have seen that I actually completely agree with you […] Maybe I'll go read a dictionary tomorrow and

Re: [Amendment] Reaffirm current requirements for GR sponsoring

2009-03-25 Thread Aníbal Monsalve Salazar
On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 06:17:18PM -0700, Steve Langasek wrote: It's also the most reliable way for a developer to issue a statement of support that will be seen by voters prior to the vote. Many voters don't follow debian-vote and won't follow the pro/con discussions in detail, but the

Re: [Amendment] Reaffirm current requirements for GR sponsoring

2009-03-25 Thread Steve Langasek
On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 04:10:49PM -0700, Lucas Nussbaum wrote: PROPOSAL START = General Resolutions are an important framework within the Debian Project. While over those years, some problems have arised during the

[Amendment] Reaffirm current requirements for GR sponsoring

2009-03-24 Thread Lucas Nussbaum
Hi, I am hereby proposing the amendment below to the general resolution entitled Enhance requirements for General resolutions. PROPOSAL START = General Resolutions are an important framework within the Debian Project. While over

Re: [Amendment] Reaffirm current requirements for GR sponsoring

2009-03-24 Thread Frans Pop
Lucas Nussbaum wrote: PROPOSAL START = General Resolutions are an important framework within the Debian Project. While over those years, some problems have arised during the discussion and/or voting of some resolutions, there

Re: [Amendment] Reaffirm current requirements for GR sponsoring

2009-03-24 Thread Lucas Nussbaum
On 24/03/09 at 16:10 -0700, Lucas Nussbaum wrote: Hi, I am hereby proposing the amendment below to the general resolution entitled Enhance requirements for General resolutions. PROPOSAL START = General Resolutions are an

Re: [Amendment] Reaffirm current requirements for GR sponsoring

2009-03-24 Thread Steve Langasek
On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 04:49:54PM -0700, Lucas Nussbaum wrote: Since nobody sponsored it yet, Actually, someone did, but: I'm amending it to fix: s/arised/arisen/ s/those years/the years/ Under A.1.6, you can fix spelling and grammar without having to re-solicit seconds. -- Steve

Re: [Amendment] Reaffirm current requirements for GR sponsoring

2009-03-24 Thread Kurt Roeckx
On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 04:49:54PM -0700, Lucas Nussbaum wrote: On 24/03/09 at 16:10 -0700, Lucas Nussbaum wrote: Hi, I am hereby proposing the amendment below to the general resolution entitled Enhance requirements for General resolutions. PROPOSAL START