Re: General Resolution: Change the resolution process: results

2022-02-03 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Mon, Jan 31, 2022 at 11:44:16AM -0800, Russ Allbery wrote: > Marc Haber writes: > > > The one we just had was tl;dr to me. The people pushing it gave me zero > > motivation to read it, I spent my spare time on my packages. While I can't speak for Russ, I did try to summarize in "normal"

+1, all fine (Re: General Resolution: Change the resolution process: results)

2022-02-02 Thread Holger Levsen
On Mon, Jan 31, 2022 at 04:59:35PM +0100, Philip Hands wrote: > Personally, I think it's totally fine for decisions to be made by those > of us that feel like we have an opinion, and for those that don't feel > the need to vote to trust that the outcome from that will be reasonable. > > I don't

Re: General Resolution: Change the resolution process: results

2022-02-01 Thread Gunnar Wolf
Russ Allbery dijo [Mon, Jan 31, 2022 at 11:44:16AM -0800]: > As the person proposing this GR, I think that's a perfectly reasonable > stance to take, and to be quite honest one of my goals was to *not* give > people a (negative) motivation to feel like they have to be involved. My > explicit goal

Re: General Resolution: Change the resolution process: results

2022-01-31 Thread Andrey Rahmatullin
On Tue, Feb 01, 2022 at 12:40:46AM +0100, Bernd Zeimetz wrote: > > It's understandable that there is no motivation to choose between two very > > long and complicated (and similar but maybe not?) changes. > > > > True, also (like in my case) I forced myself to find the time to read trough > it

Re: General Resolution: Change the resolution process: results

2022-01-31 Thread Russ Allbery
Bernd Zeimetz writes: > So in general if there are such big and non-obvious changes to > documents, I think the best option would be to have (require?) a side by > side diff as PDF or in some other readable format available. Wouter and I attempted to provide that via Salsa diffs, although the

Re: General Resolution: Change the resolution process: results

2022-01-31 Thread Bernd Zeimetz
On Mon, 2022-01-31 at 19:42 +0500, Andrey Rahmatullin wrote: > > It's understandable that there is no motivation to choose between two very > long and complicated (and similar but maybe not?) changes. > True, also (like in my case) I forced myself to find the time to read trough it and

Re: General Resolution: Change the resolution process: results

2022-01-31 Thread Kurt Roeckx
On Mon, Jan 31, 2022 at 10:31:54AM +0200, Wouter Verhelst wrote: > On Sun, Jan 30, 2022 at 11:41:51PM +0100, Kurt Roeckx wrote: > > On Sun, Jan 30, 2022 at 11:23:35PM +0200, Wouter Verhelst wrote: > > > As of this writing, the tally sheet is still the dummy tally sheet, and > > > it has not been

Re: General Resolution: Change the resolution process: results

2022-01-31 Thread Russ Allbery
Marc Haber writes: > The one we just had was tl;dr to me. The people pushing it gave me zero > motivation to read it, I spent my spare time on my packages. As the person proposing this GR, I think that's a perfectly reasonable stance to take, and to be quite honest one of my goals was to *not*

Re: General Resolution: Change the resolution process: results

2022-01-31 Thread Marc Haber
On Mon, Jan 31, 2022 at 03:31:12PM +0100, Bernd Zeimetz wrote: > I think its a bit sad that even in Debian the motivation to vote seems to be > pretty low. I'm wondering if there is anything we can do to motivate more > people to vote. Generally, I tend to vote when I see a technical benefit or

Re: General Resolution: Change the resolution process: results

2022-01-31 Thread Thomas Hochstein
Wouter Verhelst schrieb: > In that case, the problem is that the links to the tally sheet still > point to the dummy sheet; if you go to the vote's page, then click on > the "statistics" link, and next on the "tally sheet" one, you get the > dummy tally sheet. I don't (neither yesterday nor

Re: General Resolution: Change the resolution process: results

2022-01-31 Thread Felix Lechner
Hi, On Mon, Jan 31, 2022 at 8:00 AM Philip Hands wrote: > > I don't see how encouraging people to vote who lack either an opinion on > the subject in hand, or the motivation to vote, is supposed to improve > the outcome. Yeah, I think it's based on mathematics. On average, higher turnout

List of voters (was: Re: General Resolution: Change the resolution process: results)

2022-01-31 Thread Laura Arjona Reina
Hi all El 31/1/22 a las 16:59, Philip Hands escribió: Felix Lechner writes: Hi, On Mon, Jan 31, 2022 at 6:37 AM Bernd Zeimetz wrote: I'm wondering if there is anything we can do to motivate more people to vote. >From Wikipedia's page on 'Get Out the Vote': [1] "GOTV is often most

Re: General Resolution: Change the resolution process: results

2022-01-31 Thread Philip Hands
Felix Lechner writes: > Hi, > > On Mon, Jan 31, 2022 at 6:37 AM Bernd Zeimetz wrote: >> >> I'm wondering if there is anything we can do to motivate more >> people to vote. > >>From Wikipedia's page on 'Get Out the Vote': [1] > > "GOTV is often most effective when potential voters are told

Re: General Resolution: Change the resolution process: results

2022-01-31 Thread Felix Lechner
Hi, On Mon, Jan 31, 2022 at 6:37 AM Bernd Zeimetz wrote: > > I'm wondering if there is anything we can do to motivate more > people to vote. >From Wikipedia's page on 'Get Out the Vote': [1] "GOTV is often most effective when potential voters are told to do so "because others will

Re: General Resolution: Change the resolution process: results

2022-01-31 Thread Thomas Goirand
On 1/31/22 15:42, Andrey Rahmatullin wrote: On Mon, Jan 31, 2022 at 03:31:12PM +0100, Bernd Zeimetz wrote: The details of the results are available at: https://www.debian.org/vote/2021/vote_003 I think its a bit sad that even in Debian the motivation to vote seems to be pretty low. I'm

Re: General Resolution: Change the resolution process: results

2022-01-31 Thread Andrey Rahmatullin
On Mon, Jan 31, 2022 at 03:31:12PM +0100, Bernd Zeimetz wrote: > > The details of the results are available at: > > https://www.debian.org/vote/2021/vote_003 > > I think its a bit sad that even in Debian the motivation to vote seems to be > pretty low. I'm wondering if there is anything we can do

Re: General Resolution: Change the resolution process: results

2022-01-31 Thread Bernd Zeimetz
Hi, > The details of the results are available at: > https://www.debian.org/vote/2021/vote_003 I think its a bit sad that even in Debian the motivation to vote seems to be pretty low. I'm wondering if there is anything we can do to motivate more people to vote. Bernd -- Bernd Zeimetz

Re: General Resolution: Change the resolution process: results

2022-01-31 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Sun, Jan 30, 2022 at 11:41:51PM +0100, Kurt Roeckx wrote: > On Sun, Jan 30, 2022 at 11:23:35PM +0200, Wouter Verhelst wrote: > > As of this writing, the tally sheet is still the dummy tally sheet, and it > > has not been replaced with the real one. > > I don't see a problem. This looks like

Re: General Resolution: Change the resolution process: results

2022-01-30 Thread Kurt Roeckx
On Sun, Jan 30, 2022 at 11:23:35PM +0200, Wouter Verhelst wrote: > As of this writing, the tally sheet is still the dummy tally sheet, and it > has not been replaced with the real one. I don't see a problem. This looks like the real tally sheet:

Re: General Resolution: Change the resolution process: results

2022-01-30 Thread Wouter Verhelst
As of this writing, the tally sheet is still the dummy tally sheet, and it has not been replaced with the real one. What's happening? -- Verstuurd vanaf mijn Android apparaat met K-9 Mail. Excuseer mijn beknoptheid.

General Resolution: Change the resolution process: results

2022-01-30 Thread Debian Project Secretary - Kurt Roeckx
Hi, The winner of the General Resolution is: Choice 1: "Amend resolution process, set maximum discussion period" The details of the results are available at: https://www.debian.org/vote/2021/vote_003 Kurt Roeckx Debian Project Secretary signature.asc Description: PGP signature