Re: Proposal: Source code is important for all works in Debian, and required for programmatic ones

2006-09-20 Thread Sven Luther
On Tue, Sep 19, 2006 at 02:50:19PM -0700, Don Armstrong wrote: On Tue, 19 Sep 2006, Sven Luther wrote: On Mon, Sep 18, 2006 at 10:07:18PM -0700, Don Armstrong wrote: C. Reaffirms its continued support of users whose hardware (or software) requires works which are not freely

Re: Proposal: Source code is important for all works in Debian, and required for programmatic ones

2006-09-20 Thread Martin Wuertele
== BEGIN PROPOSAL = The Free Software movement is about enabling users to modify the works that they use on their computer; about giving users the same information that copyright holders and upstream developers have. As such, a critical part of

Re: Proposal: Source code is important for all works in Debian, and required for programmatic ones

2006-09-20 Thread Sven Luther
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 I second the below proposal. == BEGIN PROPOSAL = The Free Software movement is about enabling users to modify the works that they use on their computer; about giving users the same information that

Re: Proposal: Source code is important for all works in Debian, and required for programmatic ones

2006-09-19 Thread Thomas Bushnell BSG
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 I second this proposal. Don Armstrong [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Because there appears to be some residual confusion[1][2][3] about what I actually proposed and its content, here is the proposal as it currently stands. The proposal is only the

Re: Proposal: Source code is important for all works in Debian, and required for programmatic ones

2006-09-19 Thread Alexander Wirt
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Don Armstrong schrieb am Montag, den 18. September 2006: I also second this clarified proposal. == BEGIN PROPOSAL = The Free Software movement is about enabling users to modify the works that they

Re: Proposal: Source code is important for all works in Debian, and required for programmatic ones

2006-09-19 Thread René van Bevern
I second this proposal. == BEGIN PROPOSAL = The Free Software movement is about enabling users to modify the works that they use on their computer; about giving users the same information that copyright holders and upstream developers have. As

Re: Proposal: Source code is important for all works in Debian, and required for programmatic ones

2006-09-19 Thread Marc 'HE' Brockschmidt
Hi, I second this proposal: Don Armstrong [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: == BEGIN PROPOSAL = The Free Software movement is about enabling users to modify the works that they use on their computer; about giving users the same information that copyright

Re: Proposal: Source code is important for all works in Debian, and required for programmatic ones

2006-09-19 Thread Sven Luther
On Mon, Sep 18, 2006 at 10:07:18PM -0700, Don Armstrong wrote: Because there appears to be some residual confusion[1][2][3] about what I actually proposed and its content, here is the proposal as it currently stands. The proposal is only the content between BEGIN PROPOSAL and END PROPOSAL. I

Re: Proposal: Source code is important for all works in Debian, and required for programmatic ones

2006-09-19 Thread Kurt Roeckx
On Mon, Sep 18, 2006 at 10:07:18PM -0700, Don Armstrong wrote: D. Requests that vendors of hardware, even those whose firmware is not loaded by the operating system, provide the prefered form for modification so that purchasers of their hardware can exercise their freedom to

Re: Proposal: Source code is important for all works in Debian, and required for programmatic ones

2006-09-19 Thread Kari Pahula
Seconded. On Mon, Sep 18, 2006 at 10:07:18PM -0700, Don Armstrong wrote: == BEGIN PROPOSAL = The Free Software movement is about enabling users to modify the works that they use on their computer; about giving users the same information that

Re: Proposal: Source code is important for all works in Debian, and required for programmatic ones

2006-09-19 Thread Don Armstrong
On Tue, 19 Sep 2006, Sven Luther wrote: On Mon, Sep 18, 2006 at 10:07:18PM -0700, Don Armstrong wrote: C. Reaffirms its continued support of users whose hardware (or software) requires works which are not freely licensed or whose source is not available by making such works

Re: Proposal: Source code is important for all works in Debian, and required for programmatic ones

2006-09-18 Thread Anibal Monsalve Salazar
On Mon, Sep 18, 2006 at 10:07:18PM -0700, Don Armstrong wrote: == BEGIN PROPOSAL = The Free Software movement is about enabling users to modify the works that they use on their computer; about giving users the same information that copyright

Re: Proposal: Source code is important for all works in Debian, and required for programmatic ones

2006-08-26 Thread Don Armstrong
On Fri, 25 Aug 2006, Enrico Zini wrote: In this view, I see two problems with your GR: 1. It needs a separate vote to affirm we happen to need it. Yes, that's by design. IMO such a exception to the SC/DFSG should be addressed explicitely by a GR doing exactly that and specifically setting

Proposal: Source code is important for all works in Debian, and required for programmatic ones

2006-08-25 Thread Don Armstrong
I'd like to propose the following option to the current GR process. As I will (starting late sunday PDT) be away for a week and a few days at Burning Man,[i] I will be unable to appropriately respond to corrections and suggested amendments during that time. However, I will do so immediately at my

Re: Proposal: Source code is important for all works in Debian, and required for programmatic ones

2006-08-25 Thread Pierre Habouzit
Le ven 25 août 2006 08:51, Don Armstrong a écrit : I second that proposition = The Free Software movement is about enabling users to modify the works that they use on their computer; about giving users the same information

Re: Proposal: Source code is important for all works in Debian, and required for programmatic ones

2006-08-25 Thread Don Armstrong
On Thu, 24 Aug 2006, Don Armstrong wrote: D. Requests that vendors of hardware, even those whose firmware is not loaded by the operating system, provide the prefered form for modification so that purchasers of their hardware are can This should read 'hardware can exercise'; I had

Re: Proposal: Source code is important for all works in Debian, and required for programmatic ones

2006-08-25 Thread Alexander Wirt
Don Armstrong schrieb am Donnerstag, den 24. August 2006: I'd like to propose the following option to the current GR process. I second this proposal. As I will (starting late sunday PDT) be away for a week and a few days at Burning Man,[i] I will be unable to appropriately respond to

Re: Proposal: Source code is important for all works in Debian, and required for programmatic ones

2006-08-25 Thread René van Bevern
Hello, I second this proposal independently of the presence of the D clause, although I prefer it being not removed. Don Armstrong [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I'd like to propose the following option to the current GR process. As I will (starting late sunday PDT) be away for a week and a few

Re: Proposal: Source code is important for all works in Debian, and required for programmatic ones

2006-08-25 Thread Frank Küster
René van Bevern [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, I second this proposal independently of the presence of the D clause, although I prefer it being not removed. Same for me; with or without are Regards, Frank Don Armstrong [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I'd like to propose the following option

Re: Proposal: Source code is important for all works in Debian, and required for programmatic ones

2006-08-25 Thread Enrico Zini
On Thu, Aug 24, 2006 at 11:51:51PM -0700, Don Armstrong wrote: 4. Finally, if in the context of the release of etch, we need to compromise our ideals and accept programmatic works without source, we should do so by specifically exempting them from DFSG 2 for the purpose of releasing

Re: Proposal: Source code is important for all works in Debian, and required for programmatic ones

2006-08-25 Thread Sven Luther
On Fri, Aug 25, 2006 at 01:20:19PM +0100, Enrico Zini wrote: On Thu, Aug 24, 2006 at 11:51:51PM -0700, Don Armstrong wrote: 4. Finally, if in the context of the release of etch, we need to compromise our ideals and accept programmatic works without source, we should do so by

Re: Proposal: Source code is important for all works in Debian, and required for programmatic ones

2006-08-25 Thread Kari Pahula
I second this proposal. On Thu, Aug 24, 2006 at 11:51:51PM -0700, Don Armstrong wrote: I'd like to propose the following option to the current GR process. As I will (starting late sunday PDT) be away for a week and a few days at Burning Man,[i] I will be unable to appropriately respond to

Re: Proposal: Source code is important for all works in Debian, and required for programmatic ones

2006-08-25 Thread Sven Luther
On Thu, Aug 24, 2006 at 11:51:51PM -0700, Don Armstrong wrote: I'd like to propose the following option to the current GR process. I like your proposal too. As for D, maybe we could word it a bit differently, as it will be a arduous task, with little success chances in the general case. Maybe

Re: Proposal: Source code is important for all works in Debian, and required for programmatic ones

2006-08-25 Thread Alexander Wirt
Alexander Wirt schrieb am Freitag, den 25. August 2006: Don Armstrong schrieb am Donnerstag, den 24. August 2006: I'd like to propose the following option to the current GR process. I second this proposal. I have to say a few mores word to it. It would be fully ok for me if we release etch

Re: Proposal: Source code is important for all works in Debian, and required for programmatic ones

2006-08-25 Thread Frank Küster
Frank Küster [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: René van Bevern [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, I second this proposal independently of the presence of the D clause, although I prefer it being not removed. Same for me Ah, yes, and to make things clear: While I second this proposal, I still think