Re: This does not have to be a GR

2023-11-27 Thread Russ Allbery
Jonathan Carter writes: > On 2023/11/22 01:37, Kurt Roeckx wrote: >> I would also like to point out that, in the current state, on Saturday >> the discussion period is over and a vote is automatically called. > Not so sure how automatic that was meant to be, but for what it's worth, > I didn't

Re: This does not have to be a GR

2023-11-27 Thread Jonathan Carter
On 2023/11/22 01:37, Kurt Roeckx wrote: I would also like to point out that, in the current state, on Saturday the discussion period is over and a vote is automatically called. Not so sure how automatic that was meant to be, but for what it's worth, I didn't see enough interest in extending

CRA is effectively a "law", was Re: This does not have to be a GR

2023-11-22 Thread Ilu
Since this error comes up again and again on this list: The CRA is a "Regulation" (look at the long title: "REGULATION OF THE EUROPEAN PARLIAMENT AND OF THE COUNCIL on horizontal cybersecurity requirements for products with digital elements and amending Regulation (EU) 2019/1020"), in effect a

Re: This does not have to be a GR

2023-11-22 Thread Bill Allombert
On Wed, Nov 22, 2023 at 09:05:26AM +0100, Thomas Goirand wrote: > Excuse me to insist with vocabulary, but since you've use the word "law" 6 > times above: the EU isn't a state or a nation, and doesn't make laws. We're > talking about "directives", that eventually will be implemented as laws in >

Re: This does not have to be a GR

2023-11-22 Thread Bill Allombert
On Tue, Nov 21, 2023 at 04:54:30PM -0600, Gunnar Wolf wrote: > Bill Allombert dijo [Tue, Nov 21, 2023 at 10:26:09PM +0100]: > > Dear Debian voters, > > > > While Debian has stakes in the CRA, and should issue a statement if > > only to show we exists, I am quite sure that a GR is not necessary

Re: This does not have to be a GR

2023-11-22 Thread Ansgar
Hi, On Tue, 2023-11-21 at 16:54 -0600, Gunnar Wolf wrote: > At this point, and in part given that GR 2021_003 introduced time > limits, I think the GR process might produce the swiftest results, > and > it will yield the best legitimacy-wise (i.e. the whole project is > invited to debate and

Re: This does not have to be a GR

2023-11-22 Thread Bill Allombert
On Wed, Nov 22, 2023 at 12:37:54AM +0100, Kurt Roeckx wrote: > On Tue, Nov 21, 2023 at 10:26:09PM +0100, Bill Allombert wrote: > > Dear Debian voters, > > > > While Debian has stakes in the CRA, and should issue a statement if > > only to show we exists, I am quite sure that a GR is not necessary

Re: This does not have to be a GR

2023-11-22 Thread Sébastien Villemot
Le mercredi 22 novembre 2023 à 09:05 +0100, Thomas Goirand a écrit : > On 11/21/23 22:26, Bill Allombert wrote: > > I note that this is not the first law proposal that impact Debian and we > > never > > did used the GR process for issuing a position statement. > > > > The DPL could delegate to a

Re: This does not have to be a GR

2023-11-22 Thread Thomas Goirand
On 11/21/23 22:26, Bill Allombert wrote: I note that this is not the first law proposal that impact Debian and we never did used the GR process for issuing a position statement. The DPL could delegate to a group of people knowledgeable in EU law to draft a statement that is congruent with the

Re: This does not have to be a GR

2023-11-21 Thread Jonathan Carter
Hi Kurt On 2023/11/22 01:37, Kurt Roeckx wrote: While Debian has stakes in the CRA, and should issue a statement if only to show we exists, I am quite sure that a GR is not necessary for Debian to issue such statement, and I am quite unconvinced the GR process is the best option for the purpose

Re: This does not have to be a GR

2023-11-21 Thread Kurt Roeckx
On Tue, Nov 21, 2023 at 10:26:09PM +0100, Bill Allombert wrote: > Dear Debian voters, > > While Debian has stakes in the CRA, and should issue a statement if > only to show we exists, I am quite sure that a GR is not necessary for Debian > to issue such statement, and I am quite unconvinced the

Re: This does not have to be a GR

2023-11-21 Thread Gunnar Wolf
Bill Allombert dijo [Tue, Nov 21, 2023 at 10:26:09PM +0100]: > Dear Debian voters, > > While Debian has stakes in the CRA, and should issue a statement if > only to show we exists, I am quite sure that a GR is not necessary for Debian > to issue such statement, and I am quite unconvinced the GR

This does not have to be a GR

2023-11-21 Thread Bill Allombert
Dear Debian voters, While Debian has stakes in the CRA, and should issue a statement if only to show we exists, I am quite sure that a GR is not necessary for Debian to issue such statement, and I am quite unconvinced the GR process is the best option for the purpose of drafting such statement.