Hi,
On 23.11.23 03:16, Bart Martens wrote:
START OF PROPOSAL TEXT
Debian Public Statement about the EU Cyber Resilience Act (CRA) and the
Product Liability Directive (PLD)
The CRA includes requirements for manufacturers of software, followed
up by the PLD with compulsory liability for
On Wed, 2023-11-22 at 19:16 +0100, Bart Martens wrote:
> Hello, I hereby welcome seconds for adding this text to 2023/vote_002
> as a separate proposal.
Seconded.
> START OF PROPOSAL TEXT
>
> Debian Public Statement about the EU Cyber Resilience Act (CRA) and the
> Product Liability Directive
On Wed, Nov 22, 2023 at 06:46:06PM +, Luca Boccassi wrote:
> On Wed, 22 Nov 2023 at 09:28, Bart Martens wrote:
> >
> > On Tue, Nov 21, 2023 at 09:14:05AM +0100, Thomas Goirand wrote:
> > > I feel like we're getting trapped by big corp and their lobbying
> > > power, and we need to use
Le Wed, Nov 22, 2023 at 07:16:48PM +0100, Bart Martens a écrit :
>
> The Debian project asks the EU to not draw a line between commercial
> and non-commercial use of FOSS.
But the EU already does, all the time, really. This is simply not
realistic.
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On Wed, Nov 22, 2023 at 07:16:48PM +0100, Bart Martens wrote:
> Hello, I hereby welcome seconds for adding this text to 2023/vote_002
> as a separate proposal.
seconded
>
> START OF PROPOSAL TEXT
>
> Debian Public Statement about the EU Cyber Resilience Act (CRA) and the
> Product Liability
On Wed, 22 Nov 2023 at 09:28, Bart Martens wrote:
>
> On Tue, Nov 21, 2023 at 09:14:05AM +0100, Thomas Goirand wrote:
> > I feel like we're getting trapped by big corp and their lobbying
> > power, and we need to use stronger words.
>
> Probably in a different way. I'd rather prefer Debian to
On Wed, Nov 22, 2023 at 07:16:48PM +0100, Bart Martens wrote:
> Hello, I hereby welcome seconds for adding this text to 2023/vote_002
> as a separate proposal.
seconded
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Hello, I hereby welcome seconds for adding this text to 2023/vote_002
as a separate proposal.
START OF PROPOSAL TEXT
Debian Public Statement about the EU Cyber Resilience Act (CRA) and the
Product Liability Directive (PLD)
The CRA includes requirements for manufacturers of software, followed
up
Since this error comes up again and again on this list:
The CRA is a "Regulation" (look at the long title: "REGULATION OF THE
EUROPEAN PARLIAMENT AND OF THE COUNCIL on horizontal cybersecurity
requirements for products with digital elements and amending Regulation
(EU) 2019/1020"), in effect a
On Wed, Nov 22, 2023 at 11:29:36AM +, Bill Allombert wrote:
> Le Wed, Nov 22, 2023 at 11:00:57AM +0100, Ansgar a écrit :
> > Hi,
> >
> > the Constitution has several supermajority requirements that seem
> > excessive to me:
> >
> > Constitution changes:
> >
> > +---
> > | 4.1.2: Amend this
Le Wed, Nov 22, 2023 at 11:00:57AM +0100, Ansgar a écrit :
> Hi,
>
> the Constitution has several supermajority requirements that seem
> excessive to me:
>
> Constitution changes:
>
> +---
> | 4.1.2: Amend this constitution, provided they agree with a 3:1 majority.
> | [...]
> | 5.1.5.3: A
On Wed, Nov 22, 2023 at 09:05:26AM +0100, Thomas Goirand wrote:
> Excuse me to insist with vocabulary, but since you've use the word "law" 6
> times above: the EU isn't a state or a nation, and doesn't make laws. We're
> talking about "directives", that eventually will be implemented as laws in
>
Hello Ansgar,
On 22/11/2023 11:00, Ansgar wrote:
Constitutional changes to my country's constitution only require a 2:1
majority.
What is your country ?
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Jerome
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On Sun, 2023-11-19 at 23:21 +, Luca Boccassi wrote:
> Second version, taking into account feedback. Looking for seconds at
> this point:
Elbrus spotted a typo, fixed below - that's the only change, "taking
taking" -> "taking" in the second paragraph
- GENERAL RESOLUTION STARTS -
On Tue, Nov 21, 2023 at 04:54:30PM -0600, Gunnar Wolf wrote:
> Bill Allombert dijo [Tue, Nov 21, 2023 at 10:26:09PM +0100]:
> > Dear Debian voters,
> >
> > While Debian has stakes in the CRA, and should issue a statement if
> > only to show we exists, I am quite sure that a GR is not necessary
Hi,
the Constitution has several supermajority requirements that seem
excessive to me:
Constitution changes:
+---
| 4.1.2: Amend this constitution, provided they agree with a 3:1 majority.
| [...]
| 5.1.5.3: A Foundation Document requires a 3:1 majority for its supersession.
[...]
+---
Hi,
On Tue, 2023-11-21 at 16:54 -0600, Gunnar Wolf wrote:
> At this point, and in part given that GR 2021_003 introduced time
> limits, I think the GR process might produce the swiftest results,
> and
> it will yield the best legitimacy-wise (i.e. the whole project is
> invited to debate and
On Wed, Nov 22, 2023 at 12:37:54AM +0100, Kurt Roeckx wrote:
> On Tue, Nov 21, 2023 at 10:26:09PM +0100, Bill Allombert wrote:
> > Dear Debian voters,
> >
> > While Debian has stakes in the CRA, and should issue a statement if
> > only to show we exists, I am quite sure that a GR is not necessary
On Tue, Nov 21, 2023 at 09:14:05AM +0100, Thomas Goirand wrote:
> On 11/20/23 00:21, Luca Boccassi wrote:
> > Second version, taking into account feedback. Looking for seconds at
> > this point:
[...]
>
> Thanks a lot for taking the time to word out things this way.
>
> However, I really think
Le mercredi 22 novembre 2023 à 09:05 +0100, Thomas Goirand a écrit :
> On 11/21/23 22:26, Bill Allombert wrote:
> > I note that this is not the first law proposal that impact Debian and we
> > never
> > did used the GR process for issuing a position statement.
> >
> > The DPL could delegate to a
On 11/21/23 22:26, Bill Allombert wrote:
I note that this is not the first law proposal that impact Debian and we never
did used the GR process for issuing a position statement.
The DPL could delegate to a group of people knowledgeable in EU law to draft
a statement that is congruent with the
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