it's good to have a team, and present a handfull of
DD, that quite a lot of us know. And they also have *personnal* plans.
Even if they are a team, (see their recent mails about that) they also
not forget that they are human beeings, with their own personality,
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works, and
must allow them to be distributed under the same terms as the
license of the original software.
As such, we cannot accept works that include Invariant Sections
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that fscking page before the
23094th result ?
you can also read about it in my recent blog post about it [1]
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companies from using
the software.
Not *yet*. GPLv3 does (with the Patent related clauses) ;p
does it makes GPLv3 non free ?
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, for problems that a maintainer
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represented by the DPL (which makes the whole thing a vicious
circle).
Disclaimer: This mail intends to explain how I understand the whole
thing, and does not want to suggest anything, especially I really don't
think that having parties in debian would be wise !
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represented by the DPL (which makes the whole thing a vicious
circle).
Disclaimer: This mail intends to explain how I understand the whole
thing, and does not want to suggest anything, especially I really don't
think that having parties in debian would be wise !
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a proper impression of each of them
and decide how to rank them. But I don't think that will happen until
we reach something like 15-20 candiates.
what I meant is that people presents themselves because they don't think
others candidates represents them already. @see Bill example.
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Le Mer 1 Mars 2006 13:48, Sven Luther a écrit :
On Tue, Feb 28, 2006 at 07:31:23PM +0100, Pierre Habouzit wrote:
If I can take the last french elections for the “Président de la
République” as an example, you'll see that the parties that had not
a sound understanding, presented a *lot
://nm.debian.org/nmstatus.php?email=pierre.habouzit%40m4x.org
[2] https://nm.debian.org/nmstatus.php?email=lool%40dooz.org
[3] https://nm.debian.org/
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Le Mar 7 Mars 2006 14:19, Martin Schulze a écrit :
Pierre Habouzit wrote:
almost 3 monthes to have an AM
2 days to pass TS and PP
5 days more because of a mail of mine, stuck on an SMTP
exactly 8 monthes (WTF !?!?!) to have then my account created.
Did you notice that things have
into main.
I agree, and I second that too.
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be DFSG free ;
* if there is no source, and that the firmware cannot be modified e.g.
= non free;
* if there is no source, but that the blob is modifiable,
redistribuable, ... then we tolerate it in main.
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to meet the 3:1
requirement instead of attempting to define ourselves into such a
position, especially when source code is clearly a desirable thing
to have from our users and our perspective.
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to install
and run the Debian system on these devices.
I hereby second that amendment to steve's proposal
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Le jeu 31 août 2006 09:50, Enrico Zini a écrit :
...and get Lars tatooed! :)
what an unfair way to get the vote biased for that proposal ! :)
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it or
rephrasing the parts they don't like enough) that is in the spirit the
nearest proposal to that one.
[1] http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2006/08/msg01313.html
[2] http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2006/08/msg01322.html
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) and am seeking seconds
for this proposal.
Denis Barbier
[1] http://azure.humbug.org.au/~aj/blog/2006/09/19#2006-09-19-omg
[2]
http://www.computerworld.com.au/index.php/id;1964607233;fp;4194304;fp
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rationale to second the recall of Anthony Towns.
[1] maybe in some countries, but I seriously doubt that it's a general
rule at least.
[2] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Consensus
[3] http://www.computerworld.com.au/index.php/id;1964607233;fp;4194304;fpid;1
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Le jeu 21 septembre 2006 03:30, John Goerzen a écrit :
On Thu, Sep 21, 2006 at 02:26:19AM +0200, Pierre Habouzit wrote:
The debate has been launched on -private, but it's clear to
everyone that we were very far from a consensus[2]. So, instead of
*beeing consistent* with the *consensus
Le jeu 21 septembre 2006 18:04, Graham Wilson a écrit :
On Thu, Sep 21, 2006 at 01:08:17PM +0200, Pierre Habouzit wrote:
If aj's stops beeing a member of dunc-tank, and do not works
publicily for that dunc-tank, then I remove my second here, he can
stay as DPL. If he prefers dunc-tank
Le jeu 21 septembre 2006 20:44, Graham Wilson a écrit :
On Thu, Sep 21, 2006 at 07:10:25PM +0200, Pierre Habouzit wrote:
I'd say that I'm not more comfortable with Steve McIntyre beeing
involved and a DPL-assistant (or whatever name his position has)
either, so if Aj stops beeing involved
of people willing to serve Debian in a delegate
capacity.
Like said on IRC yesterday, what I meant is a delegate with decision
powers in debian + the DPL (who is technically not a delegate). So
there is quite few, only the DPL, his asssistant, and maybe the
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think that a statement resolution should NOT object NOR
give support to dunc-tank. Especially the latter, because that would be
a very circuitous way to make from that initiative a Debian one, which
is exactly what the statement states beeing false.
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Le lun 25 septembre 2006 01:40, Pierre Habouzit a écrit :
Following informal opposition during internal discussions, Anthony
Towns and al, have started soliciting donations for this purpose, in
an initiative called `dunc-tank'.
s/and al/et al./
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Le lun 25 septembre 2006 09:42, Martin Schulze a écrit :
Martin Schulze wrote:
On Thu, Sep 21, 2006 at 07:10:25PM +0200, Pierre Habouzit wrote:
I'd say that I'm not more comfortable with Steve McIntyre
beeing involved and a DPL-assistant (or whatever name his
position has
asked 3:1 for it, so I don't know where you have
found it needed it.
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(or MTA? as it seems that's because your mail goes through
Exchange), or stop posting here. That makes your mails especially
painful for the readers.
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==
The Debian project reaffirms support to Anthony Towns as the Debian
Project Leader. However, it doesn't endorse nor support any projects Mr
Towns may lead or participate in outside Debian.
/proposal
seconded
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HAMMERING LIKE THAT.
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if I'm not mistaken
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is
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On Fri, Feb 09, 2007 at 03:55:32PM +0100, Francesco P. Lovergine wrote:
On Fri, Feb 09, 2007 at 03:37:28PM +0100, Pierre Habouzit wrote:
On Fri, Feb 09, 2007 at 02:44:37PM +0100, Francesco P. Lovergine wrote:
The security implications of those practices should be evident to anyone
, as it could help to
spot environment problems in the package Maintainer build env.
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On Sat, Feb 10, 2007 at 12:02:57AM +, Stephen Gran wrote:
This one time, at band camp, Pierre Habouzit said:
I also addressed that part in my mail. The arguments I've read against
rogue buildds are threefold:
* security (I _really_ think it's nonsense, as it's not less secure
rebuilt which is
almost equivalent).
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-debian'
project) at the same time.
I mean, how dare he try to help the project in this way.
He should be hanged up for that, short and tight.
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, unfortunately the number of
bugs did grow a lot after that. It's hardly a summary, certainly not an
evaluation, so I'm still waiting for it…
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?
I think that the initiative affected the Debian community as a whole
for better.
Could you develop a bit ? I fail to see how tearing the community
apart did made it better, at least I miss a step in your reasoning here.
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do it publically
I absolutely don't like the implications of that assertion.
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On Tue, Feb 27, 2007 at 01:45:50PM +0200, Kalle Kivimaa wrote:
Pierre Habouzit [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I absolutely don't like the implications of that assertion.
Well, if an entity A feels that they would benefit from paying a DD
for his Debian work, they have two choices:
1
On Tue, Feb 27, 2007 at 01:07:24PM +, Martin Michlmayr wrote:
* Pierre Habouzit [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2007-02-27 14:03]:
In the context of A beeing the DPL, understand my reservations about
it. Remember that the subject is dunc-tank, not _an_ anynymous foo
structure, but the Project
party contractors do that if they
want. Or do not pay people, but events or devcamps for teams that have
very important task to achieve and that can benefit from such camps.
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attributed to the former.
If you're going to be re-elected, and if dunc-tank is to be continued
also, will you still remain on the board and pursue this rather
schizophrenic split, that does not seem to be that clear, even to you ?
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It can lead to some build-deps to be removed as well as e.g. alsa does
not exists on kfreebsd.
ttbomk very few of the patches are very involved, and it's a shame
that maintainers do not include them asap.
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a significant part
of the archive _and_ having it working ? I'm sorry, but there _must_ be
a step I'm missing here.
[0] http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?pkg=libc0.3;dist=unstable
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Matthew, get out of that body, right now !
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to exceed expectations
on each of the various points. But I don't know if that /is/ the goal
you're going for overall, or if it's something different.
Cheers,
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for the fun.
Wouldn't be that really great ? Sadly there is no pony-glyph (sorry
martin, would a horse ♘ be OK though ?).
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this problem will be
ranked below None of above.
Well, I've read Frans post with a lot of interest, and it seemed to be
a quite good rewording of Sam's platform :)
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rewarding in the
long term, as it allows us to keep some fun and motivation too. I'm
tired of the self-importantness and excessive seriousness of people on
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behave
badly. That's not new. I don't say it's appropriate to behave like that,
but that's also in the human nature.
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Others:
#374955 #374730 #328579
[0] http://bugs.debian.org/submitter:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://blog.madism.org/index.php/2006/08/01/97-python-transition
[1] http://qa.debian.org/[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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not
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of
the problems it's supposed to fix.
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surprised that the number of people
we're talking about are even comparable to the number of people going
through NM.
You may be embarrassed to answer, but calling peoples argument
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uploads right for some packages. That sounds right. I'm
not sure DM does, because it's a completely different matter that it
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On Sat, Jun 23, 2007 at 03:16:46PM +0200, Lucas Nussbaum wrote:
On 23/06/07 at 13:43 +0100, Pierre Habouzit wrote:
AM delays
~
For the former, well, if it's because of the NM taking too much time,
the AM usually put their applicant on hold. That works (IMHO) quite
fine
people, that have PP right, until they are full
DDs.
Cheers,
[0] those dates do not need to be formally defined, but the monthes
when applications will go forward could be decided for example 6
months in advance, so that it won't become too much of a burden.
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like handwaving, with the risk to make NM stay hell
forever.
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On Wed, Jun 27, 2007 at 12:03:36PM +0100, Anthony Towns wrote:
On Mon, Jun 25, 2007 at 10:58:13PM +0200, Pierre Habouzit wrote:
Notes: package should generally be co-maintained by sponsor and non-DD
maintainer, with the non-DD maintainer doing most of the work
If you restrict this use
not.
Frightened,
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mean, I'd really like to see their long waiting AM
report be validated, and account created...).
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On Thu, Jul 26, 2007 at 09:48:57PM +0200, gregor herrmann wrote:
On Thu, 26 Jul 2007 19:40:29 +0200, Pierre Habouzit wrote:
This is exactly what I don't like in the proposal. I think I already
said that, but DM is about pet packages, while Debian as a whole is
advocating Team work
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On Thu, Jul 26, 2007 at 07:44:19PM +0200, Wouter Verhelst wrote:
The NM process is far more flexible than you seem to think.
Actually not really, but _that_ is indeed what needs to be fixed,
enhanced, made better.
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On Thu, Jul 26, 2007 at 09:52:15AM -0700, Russ Allbery wrote:
Pierre Habouzit [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
And I have also issues with every other use case that have been talked
about yet. Yes, even the upstream wants to package his stuff, I'm not
sure we want to have tuomov-like people
On Thu, Jul 26, 2007 at 09:25:24PM +0300, Kalle Kivimaa wrote:
Pierre Habouzit [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I still lack the reason why someone would not be DD for political
reasons _and_ wanting to help improving Debian at the same time.
For an example and reasoning, please see
agree that some non-DD's simply deserve upload rights.
I don't. I agree that some non-DD simply deserve to be fast tracked
and be made DD in record times.
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On Sun, Jul 29, 2007 at 12:37:38PM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote:
On Sat, Jul 28, 2007 at 02:56:39PM -0400, David Nusinow wrote:
On Fri, Jul 27, 2007 at 10:04:20AM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote:
On Thu, Jul 26, 2007 at 09:12:46PM +0200, Pierre Habouzit wrote:
And so on. The thread you point
On Sun, Jul 29, 2007 at 01:00:50PM +0300, Kalle Kivimaa wrote:
Pierre Habouzit [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
arguments in favor of DM the more it's about introverted geeks, and
uncoordinated work. Maybe we should care more about people that are nice
to users rather about introverted guys
it happens for sponsoring before). Note that nobody
needs that GR to implement a DM-like queue.
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) and the default option is None
Of The Above.
8. The Project Leader serves for one year from their election.
=
I second that.
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to be able to continue things
the previous DPL started smoothly.
Okay some details like who is really in charge during the overlaps has
to be sorted out, but well ..
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think I'm not so
surprised to see you claim that, even after some not so old history.
GRs do not unite, they divide. They divide the DDs in two: the one
the losers and the winners. And the identity you claim to forge, is just
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annoying bit of DPL elections,
I strongly disagree with that, but that's a fair alternate proposal
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that. Meanwhile we are
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On Sat, Nov 17, 2007 at 08:00:43PM +, Pierre Habouzit wrote:
On Sat, Nov 17, 2007 at 06:48:56PM +, Anthony Towns wrote…
… quite a lot of things that I won't quote for brevity.
I agree fully that a jetring-based (or anything alike) approach would
be much appreciated. That would
On Sat, Nov 17, 2007 at 09:29:10PM +, Anthony Towns wrote:
On Sat, Nov 17, 2007 at 09:00:43PM +0100, Pierre Habouzit wrote:
And at the time he was kind of right, [...], so he was
rejecting the delays on the ???over-administrative-thing??? NM has
become since he created
On Mon, Nov 19, 2007 at 03:22:35PM +, Anthony Towns wrote:
On Sun, Nov 18, 2007 at 12:01:58AM +0100, Pierre Habouzit wrote:
James was directly involved in getting the current form to happen;
the need for change was a shock to the rest of us, not James or Joey.
Okay shock may
On Sun, Feb 24, 2008 at 12:45:31PM +, Florian Weimer wrote:
* Pierre Habouzit:
upstream made a proper fix for IPv4, in a very sensible way, and the
problem is gone
Have you got a pointer to the discussion/patch? Thanks.
The patch is that it applies rule9 for ipv4 only to addresses
don't really need the DPL blessing to do so :P
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of work per applicant
if you do it seriously enough. Creating an account should though
(meaning I don't know if it is, but I see no valid technical reasons for
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On Mon, Mar 17, 2008 at 07:34:49PM +, Russ Allbery wrote:
Pierre Habouzit [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
FWIW Reviewing an AM report and an application is nothing near a small
5 minutes task. I believe it's rather 30 minutes of work per applicant
if you do it seriously enough. Creating
, and a
total lack of nuance.
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On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 04:48:16PM +, Robert Millan wrote:
On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 05:47:58PM +0200, Pierre Habouzit wrote:
[...]. Here you could modify source,
big deal, you won't be able to *build* the damn firmware. ever.
http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug
linux-source would move to contrib.
Say kernel-package, m-a, all the kernel-patches, iptables, ...
everything. And ... even the glibc since it uses linux-libc-dev to
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On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 05:42:25PM +, Robert Millan wrote:
On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 07:07:08PM +0200, Pierre Habouzit wrote:
On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 04:54:13PM +, Robert Millan wrote:
On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 05:50:40PM +0200, Aurelien Jarno wrote:
The bug being more than 60 days
On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 05:52:28PM +, Manoj Srivastava wrote:
On Tue, Oct 21 2008, Pierre Habouzit wrote:
Though, when this software is central to all Debian (as the kernel is,
or the glibc for the sunrpc issue, or mesa for the GLX code, or ...),
then as it's a long and slow work
-free and Debian will be blurry (if it's not already blurry enough),
and every single User will have non-free, whereas I believe quite a few
live without it right now.
That's regression, and it's IMHO far worse than a couple of binary blobs
in Linux.
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