Re: [RFC] Alternative proposal: reaffirm upstream and maintainers technical competence over the software they maintain

2014-10-20 Thread Sam Hartman
Hi. I'd support a proposal that focused on reaffirming the decisions that have already been taken, and it sort of sounds like you're doing that. However, I think your proposal goes significantly further than I'd like. So, I'd rank your proposal significantly below Lucas's proposal. however, if

[RFC] Alternative proposal: reaffirm upstream and maintainers technical competence over the software they maintain

2014-10-17 Thread Luca Falavigna
Dears, I'd like to draft an alternative proposal to the GR. Would anybody consider it a nice addition to the proposals we currently have, and eventually second it if I asked for it? Of course, improvements to the text are much more than welcome! ** Begin Alternative Proposal ** Proposal:

Re: [RFC] Alternative proposal: reaffirm upstream and maintainers technical competence over the software they maintain

2014-10-17 Thread Thorsten Glaser
Luca Falavigna dktrkranz at debian.org writes: 2. Freedom of upstream discrection Upstream Developers considering a specific Free Software (including, but not limited to, a particular init system executed as PID 1) fundamental to deliver the best Software releases, are fully entitled

Re: [RFC] Alternative proposal: reaffirm upstream and maintainers technical competence over the software they maintain

2014-10-17 Thread Holger Levsen
Hi Luca, On Freitag, 17. Oktober 2014, Luca Falavigna wrote: I'd like to draft an alternative proposal to the GR. Would anybody consider it a nice addition to the proposals we currently have, and eventually second it if I asked for it? yes, I would. This proposal looks great! Many thanks!

Re: [RFC] Alternative proposal: reaffirm upstream and maintainers technical competence over the software they maintain

2014-10-17 Thread Holger Levsen
Hi, On Freitag, 17. Oktober 2014, Thorsten Glaser wrote: Note that this paragraph *directly* goes against the *definition* of a software distribution (take upstream software and integrate it with the whole, occasionally going against upstream’s will) and towards a unified userland.exe… wait,

Re: [RFC] Alternative proposal: reaffirm upstream and maintainers technical competence over the software they maintain

2014-10-17 Thread Luca Falavigna
2014-10-17 11:17 GMT+02:00 Thorsten Glaser t...@mirbsd.org: Note that this paragraph *directly* goes against the *definition* of a software distribution (take upstream software and integrate it with the whole, occasionally going against upstream’s will) and towards a unified userland.exe…

Re: [RFC] Alternative proposal: reaffirm upstream and maintainers technical competence over the software they maintain

2014-10-17 Thread Philipp Kern
On Fri, Oct 17, 2014 at 11:14:22AM +0200, Luca Falavigna wrote: I'd like to draft an alternative proposal to the GR. Would anybody consider it a nice addition to the proposals we currently have, and eventually second it if I asked for it? I'd second this. Thanks! Philipp Kern signature.asc

Re: [RFC] Alternative proposal: reaffirm upstream and maintainers technical competence over the software they maintain

2014-10-17 Thread Dimitri John Ledkov
On 17 October 2014 10:14, Luca Falavigna dktrkr...@debian.org wrote: Dears, I'd like to draft an alternative proposal to the GR. Would anybody consider it a nice addition to the proposals we currently have, and eventually second it if I asked for it? Of course, improvements to the text are

Re: [RFC] Alternative proposal: reaffirm upstream and maintainers technical competence over the software they maintain

2014-10-17 Thread Gergely Nagy
Luca Falavigna dktrkr...@debian.org writes: I'd like to draft an alternative proposal to the GR. Would anybody consider it a nice addition to the proposals we currently have, and eventually second it if I asked for it? I'd second this proposal. -- |8] pgpd8kf_TBaYa.pgp Description: PGP

Re: [RFC] Alternative proposal: reaffirm upstream and maintainers technical competence over the software they maintain

2014-10-17 Thread Simon Richter
Hi, Upstream Developers considering a specific Free Software (including, but not limited to, a particular init system executed as PID 1) fundamental to deliver the best Software releases, are fully entitled to require, link, or depend on that Software, or portions of it. Note that

Re: [RFC] Alternative proposal: reaffirm upstream and maintainers technical competence over the software they maintain

2014-10-17 Thread Andrey Rahmatullin
On Fri, Oct 17, 2014 at 09:30:46PM +0200, Simon Richter wrote: Upstream Developers considering a specific Free Software (including, but not limited to, a particular init system executed as PID 1) fundamental to deliver the best Software releases, are fully entitled to require,

Re: [RFC] Alternative proposal: reaffirm upstream and maintainers technical competence over the software they maintain

2014-10-17 Thread Craig Sanders
the problem with this proposal is that if your strip out all the feelgood propaganda fluff misusing the word freedom, what it's actually saying is that package maintainers don't have to even attempt to maintain compatibility with non-systemd init systems, and making it acceptable to perform