Re: [all candidates] on distribution-wide changes and scalability

2013-04-03 Thread Ian Jackson
Lucas Nussbaum writes (Re: [all candidates] on distribution-wide changes and scalability): On 14/03/13 at 17:55 +0100, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote: - Debian should decide to use a single VCS (say, Git), for all packages, uniform repository structure and work-flow, and give by default read

Re: [all candidates] on distribution-wide changes and scalability

2013-03-26 Thread Gergely Nagy
Stefano Zacchiroli z...@debian.org writes: Folklore goes that performing distribution-wide changes in Debian is hard and time-consuming, due to a couple of reasons: (1) the time needed to make a decision that affects the whole archive (this is related to our flat structure, which has many

Re: [all candidates] on distribution-wide changes and scalability

2013-03-17 Thread Thijs Kinkhorst
Op zaterdag 16 maart 2013 17:39:56 schreef Moray Allan: On 2013-03-16 12:13, Lucas Nussbaum wrote: The current NMU guidelines[1] discourage fixing cosmetic issues or changing the packaging style in an NMU. The reason for that is that such changes are often a matter of taste (though there

Re: [all candidates] on distribution-wide changes and scalability

2013-03-17 Thread Lucas Nussbaum
On 17/03/13 at 15:03 +0300, Moray Allan wrote: Implementing dh(1) or source format 3, notwithstanding their advantages for DD's, is successful if the generated binary packages are the same as before. Should we really focus more effort on increasing the existing convergence? No, I don't

Re: [all candidates] on distribution-wide changes and scalability

2013-03-17 Thread Moray Allan
On 2013-03-17 16:27, Lucas Nussbaum wrote: Actually, I disagree that we should not focus more effort on increasing the existing convergence. I was replying as part of a discussion of using NMUs to increase convergence, not on whether convergence is good in general. So despite your I

Re: [all candidates] on distribution-wide changes and scalability

2013-03-17 Thread Lucas Nussbaum
On 17/03/13 at 16:34 +0300, Moray Allan wrote: On 2013-03-17 16:27, Lucas Nussbaum wrote: Actually, I disagree that we should not focus more effort on increasing the existing convergence. I was replying as part of a discussion of using NMUs to increase convergence, not on whether

Re: [all candidates] on distribution-wide changes and scalability

2013-03-16 Thread Lucas Nussbaum
Hi, On 15/03/13 at 19:41 +0300, Moray Allan wrote: In my platform I suggested that we might make distribution-wide changes quicker by more vocally authorising NMUs to help with changeovers. The current NMU guidelines[1] discourage fixing cosmetic issues or changing the packaging style in an

Re: [all candidates] on distribution-wide changes and scalability

2013-03-16 Thread Moray Allan
On 2013-03-16 12:13, Lucas Nussbaum wrote: The current NMU guidelines[1] discourage fixing cosmetic issues or changing the packaging style in an NMU. The reason for that is that such changes are often a matter of taste (though there are exceptions, such as the standardization of

Re: [all candidates] on distribution-wide changes and scalability

2013-03-15 Thread Moray Allan
On 2013-03-14 19:55, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote: This inertia folklore is surely supported by past history of the time it took us to deploy specific changes in large sets of packages. But on the other hand, in the last 5 to 10 years we have massively improved our ability to decide and deploy

[all candidates] on distribution-wide changes and scalability

2013-03-14 Thread Stefano Zacchiroli
Folklore goes that performing distribution-wide changes in Debian is hard and time-consuming, due to a couple of reasons: (1) the time needed to make a decision that affects the whole archive (this is related to our flat structure, which has many benefits, but surely not that of providing a clear

Re: [all candidates] on distribution-wide changes and scalability

2013-03-14 Thread Steve Langasek
On Thu, Mar 14, 2013 at 05:55:33PM +0100, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote: - on the judgement spectrum between there is no inertia in Debian and that's good and there is a lot of inertia in Debian and that's bad, where would you put yourself? Is this a trick question? Where is there is a lot of

Re: [all candidates] on distribution-wide changes and scalability

2013-03-14 Thread Stefano Zacchiroli
On Thu, Mar 14, 2013 at 11:05:14AM -0700, Steve Langasek wrote: Is this a trick question? Where is there is a lot of inertia in Debian and that's good on this spectrum? ;-) Maybe it's a trick question, maybe not :-) But if the spectrum is too shallow, by all means add to it as many dimensions

Re: [all candidates] on distribution-wide changes and scalability

2013-03-14 Thread Lucas Nussbaum
On 14/03/13 at 17:55 +0100, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote: Folklore goes that performing distribution-wide changes in Debian is hard and time-consuming, due to a couple of reasons: (1) the time needed to make a decision that affects the whole archive (this is related to our flat structure, which