your message.
I hope you can post a summary. I found many questions very
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They generally don't have to go through NM again, just to submit their
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Bdale is even more west... but if 2200 UTC
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While the platforms have been available on the web (see
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It's quite hard to motivate people to do this, but I'd try.
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, it's probably worth pointing out
that gnome is an effort many orders of magnitude more complex than what
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Mutt uses debbugs, and isn't a project of the magnitude of GNOME.
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not to visit a country if there's a good reason to go there.
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is to get the license changed so the documentation is free
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with your question; I'm talking in general,
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How many role accounts are read exclusively by James and no one else?
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, and continually ask
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about this matter, but everything was delayed due to the
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packages have been orphaned because they were not
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* Bob Hilliard [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2004-03-03 17:53]:
However, as far as I recall, no DPL has ever publicly appointed
delegates to positions.
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Please keep what I said about core teams in mind and re-read
Internal - Core Teams, Delegates, Communication, Transparency.
Many of the points I raise there equally
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them _some_ more time. If
not, it's time to remove the documents. Again, Don asked Eben for a
status report yesterday, and I hope to get an rough answer of where
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Retiring of the Debian Developers' Reference,
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with him in
an open and fair way, and that he'd elect me as DPL (a shame that he
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can help because I'm in a position to interact with a wide range of
people. As a matter of fact, another MIPS machine is in the process
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should face *concrete* problems rather than asking very
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candidates on this issue ?
BTW, please keep in mind that I pointed out in a follow-up message
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efficacy as DPL.
I would go a step further and also ask how much Branden has achieved
of what he wrote in his platforms in the last years, and how much of
this has been done by others in the meantime (not necessarily DPLs).
I'm not running against my perceptions of Martin Michlmayr in 1998; I
think
not really relevant to the discussion; I just wanted to
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in the Constituion. As I said, I think the Technical
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solution yet, otherwise I'd have
proposed it already. Perhaps some rotating scheme of who is part of
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, this issue is of more priority to me now than it was in
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they are all very important, and while you may often not
notice those changes, they are vital in order to ensure that the
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be different -- even if the only
difference is more active members -- you should propose that to the
committee.
Exactly. I'll do that once I've had enough time to think about the
issue in detail so I am in a position to make a good suggestion.
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or extending Debian for their
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should not be treated the same, not about thanking them for the work they've
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kind of admission project (i.e. NM projess) they have,
how are they going to assure quality, etc.
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like everyone
else in the project. I successfully did this over the years. I don't
want people to vote for me because I might be innately a good leader,
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* Fabio Massimo Di Nitto [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2004-03-20 07:17]:
On Sat, 20 Mar 2004, Martin Michlmayr wrote:
Especially if that leader's most valuable trait is coordination: the
initiatives are executed by others, while the leader's role is simply
started, I'll have
to accept this.
Since the campaigning period is over, I've responded off-list. If
anyone is interested in the reply, feel free to contact me.
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, there is also a Debian audit project which helps to improve
security in the long run. http://www.debian.org/security/audit/
(Mail-Followup-To: debian-project since this is imho more appropriate.
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) who did; but I think all of them did
other things as well anyway. Henrique de Moraes Holschuh developed
special templates for them, though.
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I hope you can post a summary. I found many questions very
interesting since you touch the question of the role of the DPL.
I think it would be interesting for other candidates (and for the
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becomes vacant The post becomes vacant on
2003-04-10 (according to 5.2.8), therefore the nomination period
should start on February 6 and voting on March 20.
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* Craig Sanders [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2003-02-05 21:20]:
one day an inactive developer will become active again, and they
shouldn't have to go through the whole New Maintainer process
They generally don't have to go through NM again, just to submit their
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a few weeks after voting has finished
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much time and which don't really have to be answered by the DPL.
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with the ftpmaster's decision in this case. In general, it
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between 20 and 14 UTC should be ok. I should have time in the next
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this time should be reasonable for most.
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Bdale is even more west... but if 2200 UTC
is fine for him, I'd be happy (I'd prefer 2200 to anyway because
I'd like to go to the beach after the IRC session :-) ).
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therefore says that we (that is, the Debian Project as a whole)
do care about users (and not only about developers for example).
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platform are important,
and that the project stands behind what I'm doing.
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been re-invited
by the the keyring maintainer and are not back. Inactive developers
who re-appear generally don't have to go through NM but can simply
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: documentation)
It's quite hard to motivate people to do this, but I'd try.
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While the platforms have been available on the web (see
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should also be posted here; hence, I'm starting with mine.
Platform for Martin Michlmayr
Background
My name is Martin Michlmayr. I hope
, it's probably worth pointing out
that gnome is an effort many orders of magnitude more complex than what
debian does for non-free.
Mutt uses debbugs, and isn't a project of the magnitude of GNOME.
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, and conservative in what you send.
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not to visit a country if there's a good reason to go there.
However, this has to be decided on a case by case basis. As far as I
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is to get the license changed so the documentation is free
according to our rules. See my other posting in this thread.
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-free
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with your question; I'm talking in general,
based on what I see on -devel and other lists, and I think your
questioon is based on this as well). I try to identify exactly what
the problem is and then to tackle it.
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Internal - Core Teams, Delegates, Communication, Transparency. Many
of the points I raise there equally apply to (big) packages and other
technical matters.
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* Michael Banck [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2004-03-03 14:16]:
How many role accounts are read exclusively by James and no one else?
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in this sense stuff is
not acted upon exclusively by James. However, there are two (keyring,
DAM) where James makes the final decisions about things, so you could
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this situation.
As I stated in my platform, one of my advantages is that I know lots
of people in the project on a personal basis and get along just fine
with them. This makes it much easier to approach them and to put
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more time and energy into pursuing this.
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about this matter, but everything was delayed due to the
reasons mentioned in the other mail. Anyway, I just mailed Don and
asked him to get a new status report from Eben.
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packages have been orphaned because they were not
maintained is simply not how it should be!
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* Bob Hilliard [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2004-03-03 17:53]:
However, as far as I recall, no DPL has ever publicly appointed
delegates to positions.
http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2003/debian-devel-announce-200305/msg5.html
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* Branden Robinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2004-03-03 14:03]:
On Wed, Mar 03, 2004 at 10:35:18AM +, Martin Michlmayr wrote:
Please keep what I said about core teams in mind and re-read
Internal - Core Teams, Delegates, Communication, Transparency.
Many of the points I raise there equally
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them _some_ more time. If
not, it's time to remove the documents. Again, Don asked Eben for a
status report yesterday, and I hope to get an rough answer of where
they are.
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Retiring of the Debian Developers' Reference,
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the
keyring maintainer. Those who did not retire properly, on the other
hand, will have to go through New Maintainer in order to ensure they
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can help because I'm in a position to interact with a wide range of
people. As a matter of fact, another MIPS machine is in the process
if being set up - this shows that offers are accepted, if they are done
in the right way (and the machine also fulfils the requirements for a
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