Re: Link to www.debian.org/doc is hard to find

2023-07-15 Thread Paul Wise
On Sat, 2023-07-15 at 16:17 +0200, Holger Wansing wrote:

> Another point, why that makes sense:
> on the main page https://www.debian.org, the link to 
> https://www.debian.org/support.en.html is named 
> "Getting help and documentation" !!!
> So people are pointed to the support page, when they look for documentation.
> And then they find - nothing (about docs)!
> 
> So, +1 for re-adding such link (or chapter about docs).

The sections about documentation (and consultants) were deliberately
removed from the page so it seems unlikely they will be re-added:

https://salsa.debian.org/noodles/webwml/commit/40fef20783c16a860bd0f81fc28f1f7588875cbc
https://salsa.debian.org/noodles/webwml/commit/2b215c6e7169b28ab15c0eb330ed620ef7b21647

Personally I vastly preferred having separate sections on the Debian
support page for both the documentation and consultants and I don't
understand why the changes were made as the commits don't explain them.

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Re: cannot access wiki.debian.org returns "forbidden"

2023-06-23 Thread Paul Wise
On Fri, 2023-06-23 at 15:50 -0400, Lee Dilkie wrote:

>  "You are not allowed to access this!"

Unblocked. If it didn't work, please contact us privately using
the w...@debian.org address and we will try to figure it out.

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Re: search box gives out the results in unpractical order; and why are so few shown by default?

2023-04-17 Thread Paul Wise
On Sun, 2023-04-16 at 17:41 +0200, kalle wrote:

> This to my eyes makes the search box confusing and therefore the Debian
> Wiki a bit unattractive.

Unfortunately it won't be possible to fix this any time soon. The
software we use (MoinMoin 1.x) is EOL and the replacement (2.x) is not
yet released nor available in Debian. There is a demo site available,
but that doesn't have any Debian content yet, however you might be able
to test if this issue is fixed and send feedback to the Moin folks.

https://github.com/moinwiki/moin/
https://moinmoin2.pythonanywhere.com/

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Re: ERRORS

2023-03-19 Thread Paul Wise
On Fri, 2023-03-17 at 00:22 +0800, Jerome Moodley wrote:

> Package not available in this suite.

Which web page did you find this error on?

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Re: package tracker is missing "bind9 bullseye security update"

2023-03-19 Thread Paul Wise
On Fri, 2023-03-17 at 18:04 +0100, Philipp Hahn wrote:

> I'd like to understand why that version is missing.

There is already a bug report for this issue:

https://bugs.debian.org/992258

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Re: Ubuntu

2023-02-07 Thread Paul Wise
On Wed, 2023-02-08 at 01:15 +0100, Jeanpaul Dasilva wrote:

> Bonsoir debian je ne parvient plus à installer Ubuntu 14.04 lts et le
> wuwi est absent comment remédier.

[Traduction automatique] Veuillez demander de l'aide pour utiliser
Ubuntu sur leurs forums de support communautaires.

Please ask for help using Ubuntu on their community support forums.

https://ubuntu.com/community

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Bug#1029496: wiki.debian.org: wiki.debian.org/Sound gives wrong advice regarding audio group

2023-01-23 Thread Paul Wise
On Mon, 2023-01-23 at 12:31 +0100, Christoph Hagemann wrote:

> on the page wiki.debian.org/Sound in section Troubeshooting advice is
> given to add user to the audio group.
> This is no longer true with systemd. In fact, it breaks audio
> switching for multi-user configurations.

Please register an account and edit the page to fix the issue.

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Bug#1029265: www.debian.org: "Bugs/server-control" missing information about "Control:"

2023-01-20 Thread Paul Wise
On Fri, 2023-01-20 at 14:06 +, Christian Buhtz wrote:

> https://www.debian.org/Bugs/server-control
> 
> It lacks the information that all on that site described commands need to have
> a "Control: " string in front of them.

FTR, the Control pseudo-header is documented here:

https://www.debian.org/Bugs/Reporting#control

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Re: Proposed change for init wiki page

2023-01-16 Thread Paul Wise
On Mon, 2023-01-16 at 09:34 -0500, FL0W DNB wrote:

> I have already registered but I can do it again if you would like.
> Appreciated for considering my proposal. 

Ah. The wiki is open to edits from everyone, so go ahead with editing.

If you need help figuring out the correct thing to write on the wiki,
please ask the Debian user support channels for help with that.

https://www.debian.org/support

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Re: Proposed change for init wiki page

2023-01-16 Thread Paul Wise
On Sun, 2023-01-15 at 22:13 -0500, FL0W DNB wrote:

> As an experienced Linux user (no I'm not an elitist, just a Gentoo
> user), I suggest updating your wiki to use this method if you already
> have a running system with Systemd installed.

In case you want to register an account and fix that, I've just marked
your email for auto-accept so things should work OK if you try to
register (again?). Please let us know if you have any problems.

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Re: Access Forbidden to Debian Wiki

2023-01-14 Thread Paul Wise
On Sat, 2023-01-14 at 16:05 +0600, Redwan Ahmed wrote:

> I am a normal Debian desktop user. But my ip ... has been blocked for
> months now. It would be helpful if my ip is to be whitelisted since
> it is restraining me from looking up in the Wiki.

This particular IP doesn't appear to have been blocked nor appear in
our logs. I've removed all the blocks on IP addresses from the ISP,
hopefully that will fix the issue. If it doesn't please send a mail
to the Debian wiki admins  and we will work it out.

> Also note that, in my country (BD), there are very few Debian users
> (GNU/Linux users in general also) so hardly any chance to abuse from
> this ip. Thanks in advance.

Usually the abuse comes from spammers using hacked Windows/etc machines
rather than actual GNU/Linux users attacking the Debian wiki.

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Re: question about DebianRepository/Unofficial wiki page

2023-01-14 Thread Paul Wise
On Sat, 2023-01-14 at 20:03 +0100, Patrice Duroux wrote:

> What is the general schema in such case?

fr/DebianRepository/Unofficial

Please feel free to rename existing translations to this schema.

This is documented on this page about Debian wiki translations:

https://wiki.debian.org/DebianWiki/EditorGuide#Translations

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Bug#1026832: wiki.debian.org: BridgeNetworkConnections wrong usage of bridge_hw parameter?

2022-12-21 Thread Paul Wise
On Wed, 2022-12-21 at 21:18 +, Steffen Dettmer wrote:


> I visited https://wiki.debian.org/BridgeNetworkConnections and read
> an example:
...
> but this does not work (for me on 1 host tested only).

Please contact our support channels for help using Debian:

https://www.debian.org/support

Once the correct solution has been found, please register an account in
order to edit and correct the content of the Debian wiki.

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Re: Create translation header in a immutable wiki page

2022-11-15 Thread Paul Wise
On Mon, 2022-11-14 at 15:00 +, Thiago Pezzo (tico) wrote:

> I have created a translated version [1] of this wiki page [2], which is set as
> immutable. Is it possible to the administration to create a translation header
> on the immutable page? I couldn't find any policy/directions about this.

Immutable pages already have translations from the MoinMoin project:

https://wiki.debian.org/WikiNomes

So I suggest that you remove the duplicate translation for now.

Currently there doesn't appear to be a way for visitors to the site to
select the translated version of a page translated in this way,
perhaps there will be a way in MoinMoin version 2.0.

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Bug#1020464: www.debian.org: debian.org cookie logged_out_marketing_header_id

2022-09-22 Thread Paul Wise
Control: close -1

On Thu, 2022-09-22 at 15:27 +, Thorsten Glaser wrote:
> > Searching for the name indicates this is a GitLab/salsa cookie,
> > but I would expect that would set the cookie on salsa.d.o not d.o.
> > 
> > https://gitlab.com/gitlab-org/gitlab/-/merge_requests/76076
> 
> Bingo!

As this is a bug in salsa.d.o not www.d.o, I am closing this bug.

I think the way to solve this more generally is to have your browser
never save cookies unless you approve them manually, but I understand
this functionality probably isn't available in lynx and requires using
browser extensions in other browsers.

I suggest you check if this issue also occurs with other GitLab
instances, such as the GNOME or FreeDesktop ones. If it occurs
elsewhere then talk to GitLab upstream about the problem so it
gets fixed everywhere. Otherwise talk to the Salsa admins.

https://gitlab.gnome.org/
https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/
https://gitlab.com/gitlab-org/gitlab/-/issues
https://wiki.debian.org/Salsa#Maintenance

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Bug#1020464: www.debian.org: debian.org cookie logged_out_marketing_header_id

2022-09-21 Thread Paul Wise
Control: tags -1 + unreproducible

On Thu, 22 Sep 2022 02:28:42 +0200 Thorsten Glaser wrote:

> Why does the website set this cookie, or a cookie at all?
> These are, preferences or logins aside, normally a sign of
> bad behaviour like user tracking, and I’d say frowned upon
> in the project.

I can't reproduce this nor find any sign of this cookie name in the
website code, as far as I can tell the only place on the Debian website
that sets a cookie of any kind is the language override functionality:

https://www.debian.org/intro/cn#override

Perhaps your browser or an extension is adding the cookie?

Searching for the name indicates this is a GitLab/salsa cookie,
but I would expect that would set the cookie on salsa.d.o not d.o.

https://gitlab.com/gitlab-org/gitlab/-/merge_requests/76076

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Bug#971623: link to wnpp.d.net

2022-09-16 Thread Paul Wise
On Fri, 2022-09-16 at 10:56 +0200, Thomas Lange wrote:

> I find the idea of linking to wnpp.d.net also very valuable.

The link is already there, alongside the link to wnpp-by-tags:

https://www.debian.org/devel/wnpp/

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Re: Homepage is broken on Netsurf browser

2022-09-01 Thread Paul Wise
On Thu, 2022-09-01 at 17:21 +, Calib Serrano wrote:

> Can you please make your website www.debian.org compatible with
> Netsurf browser?

The website works for me in Netsurf, what issue are you having?

The only difference to Firefox that I see is that Netsurf does not
support the side-by-side columns that Firefox does.

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Re: openssh server

2022-08-22 Thread Paul Wise
On Mon, 2022-08-22 at 12:33 +0200, Radwan Daoud wrote:

> I want to install an old version of openssh server on my Debian 11

Please ask our support channels for help using Debian:

https://www.debian.org/support

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Re: Culling obsolete pages on wiki.debian.org

2022-08-19 Thread Paul Wise
[sorry for the long mail, lots of thoughts below]

Dan Coleman wrote:

> One thing, you will need your email whitelisted by someone on this
> list (I don't know who has that authority, but I've seen quick
> turnarounds on requests) before you can make an account.

I set Borden's email address to approval for wiki account registration.

Borden wrote:

> There's the other matter of what to do with pages like
> https://wiki.debian.org/DebianFirewall ,
> https://wiki.debian.org/Firewalls ,
> https://wiki.debian.org/FirewallRules that kinda-sorta talk about
> different things but could also be merged into a single primer for
> newcomers. Is there a 'merge' tag analogous to Wikipedia?

I agree that those three pages are a complete mess and need to be
reorganised. Personally I dislike large pages that conflate several
different but related things into one massive page though. For example,
the page about iptables should definitely be separate to one about
available firewall tools. Adding a merge tag won't achieve anything
though, it will just sit on a TODO list and never get fixed.

Borden wrote:

> I'd be grateful for some guidance on the diplomatic way to remove or
> update obsolete information without offending people.

My approach is to change documentation so that it either will get
automatically updated or won't need people to do manual updates for
inevitable changes. That approach is of course impossible or hard for
every page and consequently every piece of documentation will always
become outdated eventually as various circumstances change over time.
Keeping up with the changes is also hard to impossible because not
every place changes can happen is monitored by a person and not every
person who monitors changes will bother to update every place those
changes affect. There are also many places that changes affect, not
just the Debian wiki; a change might affect Wikipedia, several
different packages, multiple salsa repos and one or two or several
unpackaged GitHub projects. Often a change won't affect an entire
document, just a small part of it and the users of the document will be
able to notice that and work around it locally. Other times the change
doesn't matter that much so updating it is great but it is fine to use
the old version too (for eg http vs https or apt vs apt-get install).
There is also only so much time in the day to dedicate to rewriting
documentation and only so many people willing to do any documentation.

Some current practices on the wiki:

There are zero automatic procedures for changes to the wiki,
every change to the source text of pages is done by a human.

Use WikiTags for changes that need to be made at some point when you do
not have the time to work on it right now. There are zero guarantees
any person will look at these tags/pages though.

https://wiki.debian.org/WikiTag

Add macros for things that can be auto-updated. For eg matching stable
to bullseye is <>, more are needed of course.

Rewrite things in ways that make them last longer.

Updating stuff is preferred over deleting stuff, because an obsolete
document that is partially right still often has more value than no
document at all. Sometimes deleting stuff is the correct answer tho.

Reference externally maintained documentation instead of basically
duplicating that on the wiki, since it will just get outdated.

Pages that will inevitably get outdated but don't necessarily get used
much after they get outdated can be left alone. An example of this are
hardware installation pages, after a few Debian releases the page might
be obsolete but the hardware is also obsolete and so it is unlikely
people will do new installs on it, but it could still happen and the
page will likely be at least partially right after it is outdated.

Pages that only document an old version of a package/procedure, update
them to work with current versions of software in stable.

Pages that have several per-release sections, try to join the sections
up so we don't have to add new sections for new releases, delete the
sections for unsupported releases.

When you edit a page to do a particular change, first do a cleanup of
all the different outdated things, like http/https, apt/apt-get, then
make the actual changes you wanted to do.

Generally we keep pages that are of historical value, for eg Emdebian
on the CategoryObsolete page was a historical Debian derivative that
ended up making lots of valuable changes in Debian itself.
Or pages for old events, those are kept for historical reasons.

Examples of how deep the rabbit hole of updating stuff goes:

https://wiki.debian.org/SuitesAndReposExtension

My current TODO list includes 40 different obsolete URLs.

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Re: Big To-Dos for the website

2022-08-19 Thread Paul Wise
On Fri, 2022-08-19 at 09:19 -0400, Daniel West wrote:

> I am new to this mailing list. Looking for ways to help out with
> Debian and the Debian website. Is there a good up to date to-do list
> or any projects that need attention?

There are lots of different ways to help Debian, many documented here:

https://www.debian.org/intro/help

If you have any questions about contributing to non-website related
things, please ask about them on the debian-mentors mailing list:

https://lists.debian.org/debian-mentors/

Contributing to the Debian website is documented here:

https://www.debian.org/devel/website/

If you have any questions after reading that, feel free to ask them on
this debian-www mailing list.

Pretty much every part of Debian always needs help, usually the best
option is to work on things that you are motivated by for a particular
reason, for eg if there is some software not in Debian that you use,
then work on packaging it.

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Re: Formatting of the wml in the repo

2022-07-21 Thread Paul Wise
On Thu, 2022-07-21 at 20:15 +0200, Andreas Rönnquist wrote:

> Could we have some kind of standard for the formatting for the wml
> source in the repository?

Something like Semantic Line Breaks or one sentence per line might be
useful to work towards when rewriting or replacing sections of text.

https://sembr.org/
http://rhodesmill.org/brandon/2012/one-sentence-per-line/

> It's WAY easier to notice a changed word (and exactly what word is
> changed) in a 80 character line, than in a 300 character line, and we
> could even have some kind of policy to make each link on a newline,
> which I would find nice and avoid some trouble.

A better diff tool is probably the way to go for situations where line
endings aren't the appropriate place to break comparisons.

There are a number of potential options for this, the best one is
probably docdiff or wdiff depending on your preferences and commit.

git diff --color-words
git difftool --tool=wdiff
git difftool --tool=docdiff ; xdg-open diff.html
git difftool --tool=meld

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Re: Website correction

2022-07-21 Thread Paul Wise
On Thu, 2022-07-21 at 12:10 +, Mobius wrote:

> I found a Page Not Found in one of the links you provided on this page
> 
> https://www.debian.org/doc/
> 
> Third link down under Interacting With The Team, Read The Docs
> 
> https://www.debian.org/doc/docpolicy

This page was deleted in 2019, see these links for the reasons:

   
https://salsa.debian.org/webmaster-team/webwml/commit/a2cb11d8e66440363a2943e61fc593d3f6525dbe
   https://bugs.debian.org/147164

So you can remove the link from the wiki page I think.

I found this using this command in my downloaded copy of the website:

   $ git log --stat -- english/doc/docpolicy.wml

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Re: Website correction

2022-07-19 Thread Paul Wise
On Tue, 2022-07-19 at 11:35 +, Mobius wrote:

> I was reading the website about how I can help contribute and found a
> spelling error.
...
> The word "improving" should be "improve".

I have committed this change, crediting you as the author.
The change will be on the website after the next rebuild.

https://salsa.debian.org/webmaster-team/webwml/commit/88abb1b9877d21be5e733ea7c3cdd5b1c04c17a8

> I don't know how to program, but I would like to possibly help
> contribute with proofreading and documentation.

Contributing to Debian documentation is a great way to start in Debian.
We have a lot of documentation that needs help. The website and the
wiki are the primary stores of documentation. There are also lots of
self-contained manuals and guides.

https://www.debian.org/intro/help#documenting
https://www.debian.org/doc/

The Debian Documentation Team are the primary team for discussion and
maintenance of Debian documentation, please join their mailing list:

https://www.debian.org/doc/ddp
https://wiki.debian.org/Teams/DDP

For the wiki, feel free to read our guide for wiki editors, register an
account and edit pages as you see fit. I've pre-approved your email for
an account.

https://wiki.debian.org/DebianWiki/EditorGuide

For a guide about contributing to the website, please see these pages:

https://www.debian.org/devel/website/

You'll need a Salsa account to send merge requests, or you could send
git patches to the Debian bug tracker or this mailing list.

https://wiki.debian.org/Salsa
https://www.debian.org/Bugs/Reporting
https://www.debian.org/Bugs/pseudo-packages
https://git-scm.com/docs/git-format-patch
https://git-scm.com/docs/git-send-email
https://git-send-email.io/

You might also like to join the debian-l10n-english mailing list to
help people write grammatically correct English.

https://lists.debian.org/debian-l10n-english/

PS: in case you are interested in paid work on documentation for open
source projects, take a look at Google Season of Docs:

https://developers.google.com/season-of-docs/

> I'm running Debian on my Raspberry Pi 4 and absolutely love it.

The Debian RPi team would welcome help with building and testing the
images that they are producing:

https://raspi.debian.net/

> I'm also currently running Debian 11 Bullseye and taking the
> Introduction to Linux course from The Linux Foundation, so I am
> comfortable with much of the terminology and the operating system in
> general. Please let me know if this is a possibility.

You may also enjoy helping other people use Debian:

https://www.debian.org/intro/help#usersupport
https://www.debian.org/support

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Re: No permite descargar

2022-07-13 Thread Paul Wise
On Wed, 2022-07-13 at 00:35 -0500, SEBASTIAN F wrote:

> Me gustaría obtener este paquetes
> ath10k/pre-cal-pci-:01:00.0.bin

This file is not available in Debian or elsewhere and according to the
Debian Forums and Stackoverflow it is optional and not required.

https://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?t=142790
https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/405009/what-is-the-purpose-of-ath10k-pre-cal-pci-and-ath10k-cal-pci
https://wiki.debian.org/Firmware#Firmware_missing_from_Debian

In future, please contact our support channels for help using Debian:

https://www.debian.org/support

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Re: No permite descargar

2022-07-13 Thread Paul Wise
On Tue, 2022-07-12 at 20:44 -0500, SEBASTIAN F wrote:

> Al momento de realizar una acción de descarga en cualquiera de los
> links no deja descargar paquetes

The download works fine for me.

What URL are you downloading?

What error do you get?

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Bug#1014261: https://wiki.debian.org/PkgExim4: webpage outdated

2022-07-02 Thread Paul Wise
On Sun, 2022-07-03 at 07:23 +0200, Yves Caniou wrote:

> Several information on the webpage are outdated

Feel free to register an account and edit the page. If you don't want
to do it yourself then probably the best option is for you to contact
the Debian exim4 packaging team and ask them to do the update.
I've just marked your email for auto-accept so things should work OK if
you register an account. Please let us know if you have any problems.

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Re: partnership

2022-06-10 Thread Paul Wise
On Thu, 2022-06-09 at 16:16 +0200, Zoltán Máthé wrote:

> I whant to become debian handler in Romania. How is the process?

Depending on what you want to do, please read these pages:

https://www.debian.org/consultants/info
https://www.debian.org/CD/vendors/info
https://www.debian.org/distrib/pre-installed#submit
https://www.debian.org/events/merchandise
https://www.debian.org/mirror/ftpmirror

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Bug#1009253: www.debian.org: remove debian-www list from the footer; direct people to the contact page instead

2022-05-12 Thread Paul Wise
On Thu, 2022-04-21 at 09:35 +0100, Justin B Rye wrote:

>       See our [contact page] to get in touch.

Thanks! We ended up going with this one. I have credited you in the
commit message. The change is committed to git and we are getting
translations updated before we rebuild the website with the new footer.

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Bug#1010475: wiki.debian.org: wrong link to libreoffice-kf5

2022-05-03 Thread Paul Wise
On Wed, 2022-05-04 at 03:05 +, Felipe Maia wrote:

> If I had included the Severity header with a level different than
> what was established before, would it have been changed by the
> Control? In other words, can I change Severity and Close the bug all
> at once, with only one email?

Not sure, but I think yes, but only with the Control header:

   To: 1010475-d...@bugs.debian.org
 
   Control: severity -1 minor

AFAIK, the Severity header is only used when filing new bugs.

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Bug#1010475: wiki.debian.org: wrong link to libreoffice-kf5

2022-05-03 Thread Paul Wise
On Wed, 2022-05-04 at 02:26 +, Felipe Maia wrote:

> Do you mind writing the entire pseudo-header? I think it would be
> better to understand exactly what you're recommending. I'll then
> compare to the pseudo-header I wrote.

Package: wiki.debian.org
Version: https://wiki.debian.org/Wayland?action=diff&rev2=44&rev1=43

A summary of the changes from your version:

The Severity header isn't needed, since it doesn't change the severity
and you already changed it via a Control header.

The Comment header isn't needed, for the reason I mentioned earlier.

The Version header I changed to just the diff link.

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Bug#1010475: wiki.debian.org: wrong link to libreoffice-kf5

2022-05-03 Thread Paul Wise
On Tue, 2022-05-03 at 22:19 +, Felipe Maia wrote:

> Time to close the bug. Please verify if the following pseudo-header
> is correct:
...
> > Comment: Fixes "Bug#1010475: wiki.debian.org: wrong link to
> > libreoffice-kf5". Typo "libreoiffice-kf5" corrected to
> > "libreoffice-kf5".

Yes, except you don't need to include the edit Comment really,
since the edit itself preserves the comment and the Version
refers to the edit via the number and link.

> I'm not sure if the information I included as "Version" should have
> been included as "Comment" instead.

I think that the Version you used is fine, although
I would have just used the link for the Version myself.

> Just realized the mistake I made changing the category of the Wiki
> page. Paul reverted the change. Thanks Paul! I thought the category
> was related to the editing I did, not to the page itself.

Yeah, categories are for the page itself, not the edit. I'm not sure if
our guide for editors covers that, but you might like to read it and
expand it with this tip if it doesn't.

https://wiki.debian.org/DebianWiki/EditorGuide

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Bug#1010475: wiki.debian.org: wrong link to libreoffice-kf5

2022-05-02 Thread Paul Wise
On Tue, 2022-05-03 at 04:53 +, Felipe Maia wrote:

> Before closing the bug, can I change the severity level from "normal"
> to "minor" with the following control command:
> 
> Control: severity -1 minor
> 
> Besides being just typo fix, which should be classified as "minor",
> I would like to do it because I'm learning to manage bugs and to use
> the BTS.

Sounds good, please do.

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Bug#1010475: wiki.debian.org: wrong link to libreoffice-kf5

2022-05-02 Thread Paul Wise
On Mon, 2022-05-02 at 22:49 +, Felipe Maia wrote:

> It's my first time fixing a bug here on Debian.

Congrats :)

> I have been following the Web-Team's work for while now.
> 
> I replied to the BTS email as Paul Wise (pabs) usually do (I think so
> :)).

Great :)

> Can I close the bug according to the instructions on
> <https://www.debian.org/Bugs/Developer#closing>?

Yes please! For the version in the message, maybe use the page name and
revision number, or even just a link to the diff.

> Let me know if I did something wrong or if you have any tips or
> suggestions on how to improve.

Everything looks good.

In case you want to contribute to the website too:

https://www.debian.org/devel/website

Check out this page for other ways to contribute to Debian:

https://www.debian.org/intro/help 

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Bug#1010475: wiki.debian.org: wrong link to libreoffice-kf5

2022-05-02 Thread Paul Wise
On Mon, 2022-05-02 at 12:32 +0200, Yngve Spjeld-Landro wrote:

> Page 
> https://wiki.debian.org/Wayland#LibreOffice_.28supported.2C_not_by_default.29
> contains errors with regard to libreoffice-kf5: it is written and
> referred to as being libreoiffice-kf5.

Felipe Maia already fixed this issue, but if you see any other issues,
feel free to register an account and edit the wiki yourself. 

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Bug#1009253: www.debian.org: remove debian-www list from the footer; direct people to the contact page instead

2022-04-20 Thread Paul Wise
Hi debian-l10n-english folks,

I'm looking for advice on how to reword the footer on the Debian
website. I want to drop debian-www from the contact information in the
website footer, directing people to the contact page on the website
instead, which should empower them to find a better contact for their
enquiry rather than defaulting to the debian-www mailing list.

Everything I have come up with seems a bit awkward or repetitive to me,
so I am hoping someone on this list can come up with something better.

The proposal is in #1009253 and quoted below.

On Sun, 2022-04-10 at 09:21 +0800, Paul Wise wrote:

> Package: www.debian.org
> Severity: important
> 
> I would like to remove the debian-www list from the footer, since it
> tends to attract off-topic mails about things other than the Debian
> website from people who email the first address they find.
> 
> It would be better if those mails would be directed to the right place
> in the first place, so that debian-www readers don't have to redirect
> the user support requests to debian-user, package issues to bugs etc.
> 
> I believe that the existing Debian contact page does a reasonable job
> of directing people to the right place for their query. There is
> certainly room for improvement (for eg it partially duplicates the
> support page but doesn't link to it) but that can happen in a new bug.
> 
>    https://www.debian.org/contact
> 
> I suggest we replace this text:
> 
>    To report a problem with the web site, please e-mail our publicly
>    archived mailing list debian-www@lists.debian.org in English.
>    For other contact information, see the Debian contact page.
> 
> With text similar to this:
> 
>    Getting in contact with Debian is documented on our contact page.
> 
> I haven't been able to come up with any good text that doesn't seem
> repetitive, so I am hoping someone else can come up with it, or perhaps
> we should discuss this on the debian-l10n-english mailing list.

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Re: How to help with translation and update debian web pages to russian language?

2022-04-17 Thread Paul Wise
On Mon, 2022-04-18 at 06:34 +0300, Алексей Присяжной wrote:

> i want to help to translation and update russian language debian web pages .  

Please review these web pages:

https://www.debian.org/international/Russian
https://www.debian.org/devel/website/translating

In case you want to help translate the wiki too:

https://wiki.debian.org/DebianWiki/EditorGuide#Translations

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Bug#1009253: www.debian.org: remove debian-www list from the footer; direct people to the contact page instead

2022-04-09 Thread Paul Wise
Package: www.debian.org
Severity: important

I would like to remove the debian-www list from the footer, since it
tends to attract off-topic mails about things other than the Debian
website from people who email the first address they find.

It would be better if those mails would be directed to the right place
in the first place, so that debian-www readers don't have to redirect
the user support requests to debian-user, package issues to bugs etc.

I believe that the existing Debian contact page does a reasonable job
of directing people to the right place for their query. There is
certainly room for improvement (for eg it partially duplicates the
support page but doesn't link to it) but that can happen in a new bug.

   https://www.debian.org/contact

I suggest we replace this text:

   To report a problem with the web site, please e-mail our publicly
   archived mailing list debian-www@lists.debian.org in English.
   For other contact information, see the Debian contact page.

With text similar to this:

   Getting in contact with Debian is documented on our contact page.

I haven't been able to come up with any good text that doesn't seem
repetitive, so I am hoping someone else can come up with it, or perhaps
we should discuss this on the debian-l10n-english mailing list.

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Re: Vulnerability in your website

2022-04-09 Thread Paul Wise
On Sat, 2022-04-09 at 22:23 +0500, Usman Javed wrote:

> I found a vulnerability in your website

Which website are you referring to? Debian has many different websites
written by different groups of people using different software.

> want to disclose it to you.

If you don't want to disclose it publicly on this mailing list,
our security team are the best folks to handle fixing the issue.

https://www.debian.org/security/faq#discover
https://www.debian.org/security/faq#contact

> Let me know if you have any active bug bounty program or is there any
> compensation for reporting vulnerabilities?

As a volunteer non-profit based organisation, we don't have any bug
bounties and are not able to provide compensation.

https://www.debian.org/intro/

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Re: dead link

2022-04-04 Thread Paul Wise
On Mon, 2022-04-04 at 01:40 +0200, christophedoum...@free.fr wrote:

> on page https://packages.debian.org/stretch/xfburn, link "Homepage" is dead

Please file a bug report against the xfburn package:

https://www.debian.org/Bugs/Reporting

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Re: Error on wiki page for swap

2022-03-23 Thread Paul Wise
On Wed, 2022-03-23 at 19:34 +0200, Anthony-John Vikare wrote:

> I tried registering and registration is disabled.

I've just marked your email for auto-accept so things should work OK if
you try to register again. Please let us know if you have any problems.

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Re: Website Access Issue

2022-03-03 Thread Paul Wise
On Wed, 2022-03-02 at 22:36 -0700, OCTI wrote:

> Hi, I have tried to access debian.org but get errors and my browser
> doesn't load the website.

It sounds like either there is https misconfiguration on your devices
or someone on the network path from you to Debian (like your ISP) is
attacking your connections to Debian.

Can you click through to the full error message so we can see the
details of the issue?

Are you able to access the website through a VPN or Tor Browser?

> I had hoped to download a desktop dvd image but of course can't. 

This is the URL for the Debian desktop DVD image, can you access it?

https://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/amd64/iso-dvd/debian-11.2.0-amd64-DVD-1.iso

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Re: packages.debian.org does not show bullseye-security packages

2022-02-11 Thread Paul Wise
On Thu, 2022-02-10 at 12:36 -0800, Forest wrote:

> No comments?  The site itself says to come here to report problems. 
> Is there a better place to report this one?

Thanks for the report, but this issue is already known:

https://bugs.debian.org/992258

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Re: Language setting on your website(s)

2022-02-03 Thread Paul Wise
On Thu, 2022-02-03 at 08:24 +0100, Hans Kilian wrote:

> I was wondering if you could make it possible to set the user's
> preferred language on your site?

This is already possible, there are several ways to do this:

Set your preferred language in your desktop session and use a browser
that detects this and passes the language on to the website.

Set your preferred language in a browser that passes the language on to
the website.

https://www.debian.org/intro/cn#howtoset

Set your preferred language using an extension that overrides the
default browser choice of language, possibly differently for each site.

https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/search/?q=Accept-Language

Set a Debian language cookie overriding browser language settings. 

https://www.debian.org/intro/cn#override

Click on the individual translations at the bottom of each page:

https://www.debian.org/#pageLang

> I've read the explanation on how it works (with the browser's
> preferred language setting), but I feel that that is a poor solution
> - at least in my case.

It sounds like you missed the cookie based override mechanism,
please let us know where you looked for language overrides,
so that we can improve the discoverability of the override.

> My preferred language is danish for most content, but for technical
> content, I prefer english. The reason is that most technical terms
> are in english. I've also spotted numerous spelling and grammar
> errors in the danish translation on your site and they distract me
> from the content.

If you would like to contribute fixes for Danish translation issues
within Debian, please refer to these pages for our website/wiki:

https://www.debian.org/international/Danish/
https://wiki.debian.org/DebianWiki/EditorGuide#translation

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Re: Please add a dedicated section for the docs in /support

2022-01-15 Thread Paul Wise
On Sat, 2022-01-15 at 22:19 +0800, Wenbin Lv wrote:

> I decided to add this information to /doc/index instead of /support,
> because this information is useful to users only when they have chosen
> a particular manual to read, so it's better to keep the section in
> /support short and make it only a reference to /doc to let the users
> find more information there.

That sounds reasonable.

> The commit is on
> https://salsa.debian.org/webmaster-team/webwml/-/commit/0a27e08a6c22112dbd96c5925356b4609db6e49d
> . Please point it out if it contains grammar errors or other issues.

That looks good to me.

PS: For future cases where you aren't sure about the right English
wording, you can draft the text yourself and then consult the
debian-l10n-english mailing list to get the wording fixed.

https://lists.debian.org/debian-l10n-english/

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Re: Please add a dedicated section for the docs in /support

2022-01-13 Thread Paul Wise
On Fri, 2022-01-14 at 02:23 +0800, Wenbin Lv wrote:

> The page I intended to edit was /support, not /doc. The change is
> online now at https://www.debian.org/support.en.html#doc

That looks reasonable, please also mention the documentation installed
in packages and that the ones on the website are mostly extracted from
prominent documentation packages available in Debian.

PS: I think we should move more of the manuals available on the website
to the model of being extracted from documentation packages in the
Debian archive, rather than being built on the website server.

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Re: Debian-Images mit jigdo herunterladen

2021-12-06 Thread Paul Wise
Jan Girke wrote: [automatic translations below] [automatische Übersetzungen 
unten]

> Könnte es sein das auch Windowsbenutzer mit Jigdo was runterladen wollen?
> Wieso ist da nichts darüber wie man Jigdo auf Windows verwendet?
---
> Could it be that Windows users want to download something with Jigdo?
> Why is there nothing about how to use Jigdo on Windows?

Die Seite, auf die Sie verlinkt haben, erwähnt Jigdo unter Windows:

   Weitere Installationsoptionen (Binärdateien für Windows, Quellcode)
   finden Sie auf der jigdo-Homepage.
   https://www.einval.com/~steve/software/jigdo/

Und auf dieser Seite:

   Im Downloadbereich finden Sie verschiedene Dinge:
   
   * Quell-Tarballs und Zip-Dateien
   * Binärdateien für Windows
   
   https://www.einval.com/~steve/software/jigdo/download/

Nachdem Sie die Windows-Binärdateien heruntergeladen haben, können Sie
sie wie unter Linux verwenden. Es gibt wahrscheinlich keine grafische
Benutzeroberfläche für jigdo, es ist normalerweise ein reines
Befehlszeilentool.
---
The page you linked to mentions Jigdo on Windows:

   For other installation options (binaries for Windows, source), check
   the the jigdo homepage. https://www.einval.com/~steve/software/jigdo/

And on that page:

   In the download area, you will find various things:
   
  * Source tarballs and zip files
  * Binaries for Windows 
   
   https://www.einval.com/~steve/software/jigdo/download/

Once you have downloaded the Windows binaries, you can use them in the
same way as you would on Linux. There is probably no graphical
interface for jigdo, it is usually a command-line only tool. 

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Re: Please turn off automatic downloads when visiting the downloads page

2021-12-03 Thread Paul Wise
On Fri, 2021-12-03 at 14:15 +, Andrew M.A. Cater wrote:

> The "default" download is appropriate for the majority of people using 
> Intel/AMD processors but not for others, yes.

FTR, I discussed this with the original author of the download page on
IRC and they are working on an update to the front page that will
provide an indicator of the download type (amd64 netinst but human
readable) plus links to other downloads and other releases. Later it
might be possible to use JavaScript to detect the user's platform.

> There is a prominent link for "other downloads", that will take
> you through to all the other architectures and there's always 
> https://www.debian.org/CD/

That isn't present until after the automatic download has started.

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Re: packages.debian.org: missing security updates for bullseye

2021-11-18 Thread Paul Wise
Control: reassign -1 www.debian.org
Control: user www.debian@packages.debian.org
Control: usertags -1 + packages
Control: retitle -1 packages.debian.org: missing security updates for bullseye
Control: forcemerge 992258 -1

On Fri, 19 Nov 2021 08:17:25 +0100 Andreas Beckmann wrote:

> That's not a valid pseudo package. Reassigning to whohas, the maintainer 
> probably knows best the actual data source used by whohas.

It looks like the issue is that Martin-Éric Racine has security updates
installed for firefox-esr-l10n-fi but packages.d.o does not have info
about security updates for bullseye but does for buster and stretch.

This has already been reported before:

   https://bugs.debian.org/992258

This is the data source used by whohas:

   
https://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=firefox-esr-l10n-fi&searchon=names&suite=all§ion=all

At the current time this page contains this:

   Package firefox-esr-l10n-fi

   * stretch (oldoldstable) (localization): Finnish language package for 
Firefox ESR
 78.15.0esr-1~deb9u1 [security]: all
   * buster (oldstable) (localization): Finnish language package for Firefox ESR
 78.15.0esr-1~deb10u1 [security]: all
   * bullseye (stable) (localization): Finnish language package for Firefox ESR
 78.14.0esr-1~deb11u1: all
   * bookworm (testing) (localization): Finnish language package for Firefox ESR
 78.14.0esr-1: all
   * sid (unstable) (localization): Finnish language package for Firefox ESR
 91.3.0esr-1: all
   * experimental (localization): Finnish language package for Firefox ESR
 91.1.0esr-1: all

The Debian archive API indicates these versions:

   $ rmadison -u debian firefox-esr-l10n-fi
   firefox-esr-l10n-fi | 52.8.1esr-1~deb8u1   | oldoldoldstable  | all
   firefox-esr-l10n-fi | 68.10.0esr-1~deb9u1  | oldoldstable | all
   firefox-esr-l10n-fi | 78.14.0esr-1~deb10u1 | oldstable| all
   firefox-esr-l10n-fi | 78.14.0esr-1~deb11u1 | stable   | all
   firefox-esr-l10n-fi | 78.14.0esr-1 | testing  | all
   firefox-esr-l10n-fi | 78.14.0esr-1 | unstable | all
   firefox-esr-l10n-fi | 78.15.0esr-1~deb11u1 | proposed-updates | all
   firefox-esr-l10n-fi | 91.0.1esr-1  | experimental | all
   firefox-esr-l10n-fi | 91.1.0esr-1  | experimental | all
   firefox-esr-l10n-fi | 91.2.0esr-1  | unstable | all
   firefox-esr-l10n-fi | 91.3.0esr-1  | unstable | all

A chdist with apt metadata for everything below testing has these:

   $ chdist old apt policy firefox-esr-l10n-fi
   firefox-esr-l10n-fi:
 Installed: (none)
 Candidate: 78.15.0esr-1~deb11u1
 Version table:
78.15.0esr-1~deb11u1 500
   500 https://deb.debian.org/debian-security stable-security/main 
amd64 Packages
   500 https://deb.debian.org/debian proposed-updates/main amd64 
Packages
78.15.0esr-1~deb10u1 500
   500 https://deb.debian.org/debian-security oldstable/updates/main 
amd64 Packages
78.15.0esr-1~deb9u1 500
   500 https://deb.debian.org/debian-security oldoldstable/updates/main 
amd64 Packages
78.14.0esr-1~deb11u1 500
   500 https://deb.debian.org/debian stable/main amd64 Packages
78.14.0esr-1~deb10u1 500
   500 https://deb.debian.org/debian oldstable/main amd64 Packages
68.10.0esr-1~deb9u1 500
   500 https://deb.debian.org/debian oldoldstable/main amd64 Packages
52.9.0esr-1~deb9u1 500
   500 https://deb.debian.org/debian-security oldoldstable/updates/main 
amd64 Packages

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Bug#999862: sso.debian.org: SSO no longer seems to work

2021-11-17 Thread Paul Wise
On Wed, 2021-11-17 at 20:55 +, Julian Gilbey wrote:

> So it would seem that sso.debian.org may no longer be functional,
> which prevents me from logging into tracker.debian.org.

My current certificate still works on tracker.d.o and the sso test URL.

I created a new cert and imported it into my browser (Firefox ESR 91)
and it worked for the sso.d.o test site and for tracker.d.o.

I wasn't able to get curl working with either the old or new certs.

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Re: Contrib to Website

2021-10-22 Thread Paul Wise
On Fri, 2021-10-22 at 12:43 -0400, KYLE LYON wrote:

> What is the signature.asc file and how do I use it?

That is a digital signature which can be used to prove that I wrote the
message that I sent and no-one modified it in transit. The signature is
in the OpenPGP format. Many email programs can automatically verify
OpenPGP signatures, but notably GMail cannot. Debian also uses OpenPGP
to sign and verify package uploads and to sign and verify our apt
repositories and to sign tags and commits in our git repositories.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenPGP
https://help.riseup.net/en/security/message-security/openpgp/best-practices

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Re: Contrib to Website

2021-10-21 Thread Paul Wise
On Thu, 2021-10-21 at 09:32 -0400, Kyle Lyon wrote:

> My name is Kyle.

Welcome to the Debian community Kyle :)

> I am looking to contribute to the Debian website and project.

There are lots of ways to contribute to Debian listed here:

https://www.debian.org/intro/help

> I know lots of web programming, which can make me useful to help the
> website.

The website is static HTML, that is produced from a language called WML
(which is basically HTML with some Perl mixed in). The WML is stored in
a git repository (called webwml) which is hosted on the Debian instance
(called Salsa) of the GitLab code hosting tool. You can submit changes
to the website through Salsa or by sending patches in bug reports.
There are many TODO items and open bug reports that can be useful to
find ways to contribute to the website. More details here:

https://www.debian.org/devel/website/

> As for packages, I can code C++.

The apt package manager is written in C++, I expect helping out with
that would be appreciated.

https://wiki.debian.org/Teams/Apt

If you know of software that is written in C++ and you want to have in
Debian, you could package it and propose it for inclusion in Debian.

https://mentors.debian.net/intro-maintainers/

The how-can-i-help tool can help find packages on your system that need
some kind of assistance.

https://wiki.debian.org/how-can-i-help

The Debtags site can help find packages implemented in C++:

https://debtags.debian.org/search/?wl=&q=implemented-in%3A%3Ac%2B%2B&qf=default

> No one can really vouch for me, because I don't know who to ask.
> I have used Debian Linux for the past 6 months, so I know how to use it
> well. Please consider letting me help the Debian Community!

In Debian and the wider Free Software and Open Source communities,
usually no permission is needed for a person to join the community
(apart from account approval for anti-spam purposes) and people and
their reputation do not need to be vouched for. Instead, others will
review and approve the work that you do and the changes you propose.
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Re: Contribute to Debian Website

2021-09-11 Thread Paul Wise
On Sat, Sep 11, 2021 at 10:17 PM Simon wrote:

> Nice to be Here! I`m Simon, i`m 20 years old and i`m from Germany. I work as 
> a Web Developer and i contributed already to many Open Source Projects Like 
> KDE. I really would love joining the Debian Community!

Thanks for your interest Simon, you can find some information about
how the Debian website works and how to contribute at this page:

https://www.debian.org/devel/website/

In short the website is static HTML and CSS (without JavaScript) that
is currently produced using a language called WML, which is mostly
HTML but also some other tags to provide programmability and other
features. The WML files are stored in a git repository hosted on
salsa, the Debian GitLab instance, and you can contribute changes back
using GitLab merge requests or patches in Debian bug reports against
the www.debian.org pseudo-package. The WML files are translated into
many human languages, so to avoid translators having to do extra work,
when making mechanical changes that don't involve English language
(for eg updating links), a script called smart_change.pl can update
the translations at the same time.

PS: there are many different Debian web services that can use help,
and many other ways to contribute to Debian:

https://wiki.debian.org/Services
https://www.debian.org/intro/help

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Bug#965326: Changelogs of 'linux' package in stretch+buster are 404

2021-09-03 Thread Paul Wise
On Fri, 2021-09-03 at 15:37 +0100, Neil Williams wrote:

> Just a note that I'm working on a possible solution for this
> long-standing bug.

FYI, someone took a look at the ftp-master side of this and came to the
conclusion that its just a misconfigured rsync/mirror setup:

https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=490848#56

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Re: Debian website: authoritative copy of mirror list

2021-09-01 Thread Paul Wise
On Wed, Sep 1, 2021 at 12:48 PM Thomas Lange wrote:

> The html version is generated from
> https://salsa.debian.org/mirror-team/masterlist

This version isn't used by the website any more, instead, that version
feeds into the mirror checker, which checks mirrors, filters out the
bad ones and then produces the canonical mirrors list, which is
downloaded by the webmaster-team cron scripts for use by the website:

https://mirror-master.debian.org/status/Mirrors.masterlist
https://salsa.debian.org/webmaster-team/cron/blob/master/parts/1listscfg

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Re: Soooo what will it run on?

2021-08-31 Thread Paul Wise
On Tue, Aug 31, 2021 at 5:51 PM David wrote:

> Looked all over sitebut not finding info. Have used linux over 25 years.
> But where does it tell the minimum hardware requirements for the latest
> offerings? my file server System of over 20 years died and its hard to
> find any later linux that doesnt need some kind of monster machine to
> run as nice as the old debian  and even ubuntu 6, 8, 9.1 ran on.

In future please ask for help installing or using Debian on our
support channels:

https://www.debian.org/support

Probably Debian will work on most machines you have available.

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Re: Lost wiki page

2021-08-31 Thread Paul Wise
On Tue, Aug 31, 2021 at 11:53 PM Brian Potkin wrote:

> When I had calmed down I took a closer lokk. It turned out the wiki
> had saved my three day's work as a revision. Good old MoinMoin. I
> sometimes do the writing in vim and transfer it. Your suggestions
> and response are much appreciated.

For cases where you don't want to save it yet, pressing preview will
save a draft on the server, which can be revived if your browser loses
your input data.

In terms of in-browser web-wide solutions, the Form History Control
addon can help you by saving all of your pre-submit and submitted
input fields locally once per second just in case you lose them. The
current firefox-esr 78.13.0esr is too old for it to display history
properly though, but you can use firefox 91 in sid/experimental or
wait for firefox-esr 91esr to come around.

https://stephanmahieu.github.io/fhc-home/

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Re: New Account Registration

2021-08-29 Thread Paul Wise
On Sat, Aug 28, 2021 at 9:33 PM Gabriel Gutierrez wrote:

> I was instructed by https://www.debian.org/devel/website/using_git to request 
> by email write access to the website source code. I don't intend to push 
> changes to the source repository, but I am interested in software development 
> using debian as my base. Albeit new to the community, I don't have any formal 
> background on any preexisting platform.

If you don't intend to modify the Debian website, then you don't need
write access to the website source code, you can just check it out
locally using the git commands mentioned on the wiki page.

> Given my intention to clone a local copy of the Debian 11 distribution to 
> begin my project, I figure I should follow the advice and introduce myself 
> before obtaining a personal copy of your OS. My registration ID is 
> gutierrezkineticsgroup.

You can obtain and install Debian from our download page, no
permission or introduction is needed to do that:

https://www.debian.org/download

If you are thinking about creating a new distribution based on Debian,
I would encourage you to contribute to Debian instead of creating a
new distribution. There are many different ways to help out:

https://www.debian.org/intro/help

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Re: First email to debian www page team

2021-08-29 Thread Paul Wise
On Sat, Aug 28, 2021 at 8:17 PM Albert Yeh wrote:

> I've browsed the debian webpage for... hours trying to find out what I can do 
> to assist.

The general overview of what options are available is here:

https://www.debian.org/intro/help

> A lot of this is overwhelming or very hard to decide on where to start.

The debian-mentors IRC channel and mailing list can provide more
specific suggestions, based on your interests outside Debian and
outside technology and the skills you have already or would like to
learn through contributing to Debian. Probably we need to explain that
on the help page. Others have explained how to contribute to the
website, would you like to make that your first contribution to
Debian? If you need help feel free to ask on this list, or the
#debian-www IRC channel.

> I tried helping with man-pages but a lot of it comes from the upstream 
> packages.

Helping add documentation to upstream projects is a great way to
contribute too, although each upstream project has a different way to
contribute.

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Re: Unable to access wiki.debian.org

2021-08-29 Thread Paul Wise
On Sun, Aug 29, 2021 at 7:11 AM Rich wrote:

> I hope this is the correct email address to contact you regarding the issue I 
> am facing.

w...@debian.org is the mail to reach Debian wiki admins on.

> I am running Debian 11 and want to be able to access "wiki.debian.org". When 
> I try I am only faced with a blank page with some black characters that reads

This should be fixed now.

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Re: Updating the 'who using Debian?' page

2021-08-27 Thread Paul Wise
On Thu, Aug 26, 2021 at 4:45 PM Sam Booth wrote:

> I'm not a developer, is there any way I can update the page, or is there 
> anyone here who can do that for me please?

You can download the website git repository, make the necessary
changes and submit a merge request or patch in bug report.

https://www.debian.org/devel/website/
https://salsa.debian.org/webmaster-team/webwml/
https://bugs.debian.org/www.debian.org

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Re: [website] Document how to set usertags in BTS

2021-08-22 Thread Paul Wise
On Sun, 2021-08-22 at 21:31 +0200, Holger Wansing wrote:

> Justin suggested to use 'preceding' instead of 'last'.
> That looks good to me, I will go with that.

Agreed, that is the best option so far.

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Re: [website] Document how to set usertags in BTS

2021-08-21 Thread Paul Wise
On Sat, 2021-08-21 at 13:01 +0200, Holger Wansing wrote:

> You can set usertags for multiple users at bug submission time by
> including multiple User pseudo-headers; each Usertags pseudo-header
> sets the usertags for the last user set before via User pseudo-
> header.

That seems a bit cumbersome to me, and is missing "the" after "via".

How about these alternative options?

... sets the usertags for the user set by the latest User pseudo-header.
... sets the usertags for the user set by the previous User pseudo-header.

The option proposed by Wouter seems reasonable to me too.

I suggest also talking to the debian-l10n-english list about this, they
might be able to help select the most clear, simple and correct option.

The code implementing the feature works like this:

cmds = [("user", from_address)]
for line in message:
    cmds += line.split(": ", 1)
for cmd, value in cmds:
    if cmd is "user":
    user = value
    if cmd is "usertags":
    process_usertags(user, value)

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Re: Debian version

2021-07-23 Thread Paul Wise
On Fri, Jul 23, 2021 at 7:42 PM cuenta wrote:

> The latest version of Debian should be listed on the main web page, as done 
> above.

The "Project News" section of the main web page for Debian includes
information about recent releases, hopefully that is enough.

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Re: Debian Upgrade Problem

2021-07-19 Thread Paul Wise
On Mon, Jul 19, 2021 at 8:06 AM Nathan Chebii wrote:

> I am trying to upgrade my server from debian 7 wheeze to debian 10.

Please ask for help using/upgrading Debian on our support channels:

https://www.debian.org/support

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Re: audit (1:2.8.4-3) does not show in apt search / apt-get install

2021-07-10 Thread Paul Wise
On Sat, Jul 10, 2021 at 11:00 PM Richard Dahlstedt wrote:

> I am using Debian 10.10 on an HP Chromebook.

Please ask for help using Debian on our support channels:

https://www.debian.org/support

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Re: sources.list 4 bullseye-security

2021-07-03 Thread Paul Wise
On Sat, Jul 3, 2021 at 9:31 PM Salvatore Bonaccorso wrote:

> I have pushed
> https://salsa.debian.org/webmaster-team/webwml/-/commit/4ca2253325130f7e96bf2644d31cf5a95fdf7bcc

Note that updating translations at the same time as the English page
causes more work for the translation teams, who have to bump the
translation check header. If you first commit the English change and
then commit the translation changes, you can use ./smart_change.pl
(see --help for instructions) to bump the translation check headers in
the second commit.

> Once bullseye will be released the example sources.list entry in
> https://www.debian.org/security/#keeping-secure will need to be
> adapted as well to match bullseye's sources.list entry for the
> security archive.

I've made a commit that means this will be automatically updated at
release time:

https://salsa.debian.org/webmaster-team/webwml/-/commit/06a365347b5545c26d162ef4887514d171f5dcd0

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Re: Other Releases

2021-06-12 Thread Paul Wise
On Sat, Jun 12, 2021 at 5:54 PM Niklas Vest wrote:

> I recall reading something about opening an MR if I am not going to be a 
> regular contributor

That (or reporting a bug against www.debian.org with patch attached)
is the way to go *until* you have become a regular contributor, after
contributing via MRs/bugs for a while, at some point you may then
become trusted enough to commit directly.

> but I can't seem to find that page anymore.

It was probably on one of these pages:

https://www.debian.org/devel/website/
https://wiki.debian.org/Teams/Webmaster

>I am also not allowed to register at Debian's GitLab instance.

I think salsa gets a lot of spammers signing up with certain addresses
so some mail services are blocked. I guess either sign up using a
different email address or contact the admins for an exception to the
rule.

https://wiki.debian.org/Salsa/Doc#Support
https://wiki.debian.org/Salsa#Maintenance

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Re: Odd link behavior from https://manpages.debian.org/buster/apt/apt-cdrom.8.en.html

2021-06-12 Thread Paul Wise
On Sat, Jun 12, 2021 at 11:56 AM Richard Owlett wrote:

> When I click on *ANY* of the links from
>  https://manpages.debian.org/buster/apt/apt-cdrom.8.en.html
> I never finish connecting.

I cannot reproduce this issue myself (using Firefox ESR).

This is probably best expressed as a bug report against the
manpages.debian.org pseudo-package instead.

https://manpages.debian.org/faq.html#debiman-problems

You will likely need some debugging information before filing the bug:

Does the same issue happen if you use a different web browser.

Are there web developer tools for your browser, and if so what does
the network debugger say is happening with those requests. If there
are no tools, perhaps use Wireshark to figure out where the browser is
trying to connect to.

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Re: webwml repository structure

2021-06-11 Thread Paul Wise
On Fri, Jun 11, 2021 at 12:00 PM Niklas Vest wrote:

> I wanted to implement a minor improvement to user experience to the website 
> and upon inspection of the repository I have found no "common" code that 
> would represent the website structure.

git grep '' tells me this is the file defining what a page
looks like: english/template/debian/basic.wml

Not sure about the other places you want to modify, maybe grep the
english/ directory for the things you see now and then modify those
files.

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Re: I want to publish an article on your website

2021-06-01 Thread Paul Wise
On Tue, Jun 1, 2021 at 7:48 PM sebul wrote:

> Please read
> https://www.debian.org/devel/join/

Please don't reply to spam, it would be better to get the spammer
banned from Debian mailing lists.

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Re: Main page download link improvements

2021-05-14 Thread Paul Wise
On Sat, May 15, 2021 at 1:04 AM Paul Wise wrote:

> https://bugs.debian.org/819664

I forgot to note that there are a number of other bugs related to
download pages, please search through the bug list for "download",
"distrib", "CD" etc.

https://bugs.debian.org/www.debian.org

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Re: Main page download link improvements

2021-05-14 Thread Paul Wise
On Fri, May 14, 2021 at 5:06 PM Jesse Rhodes wrote:

> that shiny "Download" button should ...

This bug report contains a lot of discussion about what the Debian
download/CD pages should look like. From a quick skim of the bug, it
seems the web team already has a WIP replacement for the download
page.

https://bugs.debian.org/819664

> This proposal is not dissimilar to ...

I think it is worth looking at various Debian derivatives and Linux
distros download pages, in particular the one for the Tails distro:

https://wiki.debian.org/Derivatives/Census
https://tails.boum.org/
https://tails.boum.org/install/

> I have a lot of free time at present and have done web hacking before, so I'd 
> be happy to do some or all of the legwork on this, if you point me to the 
> current templates, style guide, or what have you.

https://salsa.debian.org/webmaster-team/webwml/
https://www.debian.org/devel/website/
https://bugs.debian.org/www.debian.org
https://wiki.debian.org/KallesDesign
https://kalleswork.net/projects/debian/debtemplate/

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Re: tls cert on www.backports.org

2021-04-22 Thread Paul Wise
On Thu, Apr 22, 2021 at 9:22 PM Joris wrote:

> https://www.backports.org appears to serve the same content as 
> https://www.debian.org. It however uses a certificate that is only valid for 
> www.debian.org thus showing an insecure icon in the browser.

Please use https://backports.debian.org/ instead, backports.org is not
controlled by the Debian Project.

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Re: Slovak translation of the Mailing Lists webpage

2021-04-18 Thread Paul Wise
On Sun, Apr 18, 2021 at 2:51 PM Mate Ti wrote:

> i found a bug on the slovak (slovenčina) translation of the
> debian mailing list webpage

Please discuss this with the Slovak translation team:

https://www.debian.org/international/Slovak/

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Re: Cannot download the Debian Stable complete DVD ISO using android phone anymore

2021-04-09 Thread Paul Wise
On Fri, Apr 9, 2021 at 11:56 AM Steve McIntyre wrote:
> On Fri, Apr 09, 2021 at 07:32:02PM +0800, ulala wrote:
> >
> >I have this old Sony Xperia SP phone which i use as backup drive to boot 
> >Debian
> >DVD from in case of emergency. It runs on JellyBean version of Android (4.3).
> >
> >I used to download Debian ISOs without problem with it, but now it wont
> >download from this link anymore:
> >https://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/amd64/iso-dvd/
> >
> >I used both official updated Google Chrome app and Opera Mini app to download
> >the ISO, neither of them work. But the download link works just fine from
> >laptop.
>
> When you say "Cannot download", what exactly do you mean? Do you get
> an error message?

I'm assuming that the TLS/SSL support on the devices where it doesn't
work is too old to connect to the web server. You could try to connect
to the insecure version of the URL without SSL/TLS:

http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/amd64/iso-dvd/

If possible, it would be a good idea to verify the images using
OpenPGP after the download, that might be hard to do with the
operating systems and devices you have though.

https://www.debian.org/CD/faq/#verify
https://www.debian.org/CD/verify

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Re: Link not aviable for instal on my old machine.

2021-04-07 Thread Paul Wise
On Wed, Apr 7, 2021 at 8:18 PM Claudio Guendelman wrote:

> Hi  ineed to install  Linux on  a  old  Imac g3

In addition to the advice you were already given, asking on the
debian-powerpc list is likely to get you more specific help with this
particular machine.

https://lists.debian.org/debian-powerpc/

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Re: Trouble with VM instalation

2021-03-24 Thread Paul Wise
On Thu, Mar 25, 2021 at 12:09 AM Guilherme Rosa wrote:

> My name is Guilherme and i'm having trouble installing the 32 bit desktop 
> version of Debian

Please ask for help on Debian support channels:

https://www.debian.org/support

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Re: Introduction

2021-03-21 Thread Paul Wise
On Sat, Mar 20, 2021 at 8:48 AM David S. wrote:

> I want to take part in the translation process of the website

Contribution to translation of the website is done via the language
teams, so please contact the ones for the languages you are interested
in:

https://www.debian.org/international/
https://www.debian.org/international/german/
https://www.debian.org/international/Russian
https://www.debian.org/international/Norwegian

> and the packages.

For package description translations there are mail and web based
systems for folks to contribute translations:

https://www.debian.org/international/l10n/ddtp
https://ddtp.debian.org/ddtss/index.cgi/

In case you are interested to also translate the wiki, there is some
information here:

https://wiki.debian.org/DebianWiki/EditorGuide#translation

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Re: WHAT is CDN - was {Re: https://www.debian.org/mirror/list debian.inode.at 403 Forbidden}

2021-03-18 Thread Paul Wise
On Thu, Mar 18, 2021 at 12:32 PM Richard Owlett wrote:

> What is CDN? deb.debian.org gives no information.
> How do I know if I have a "need to know"?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Content_delivery_network

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Re: https://www.debian.org/mirror/list debian.inode.at 403 Forbidden

2021-03-18 Thread Paul Wise
On Thu, 2021-03-18 at 10:18 +0100, mx vx wrote:

> E: Failed to fetch http://debian.inode.at/debian/dists/bullseye/InRelease  
> 403  Forbidden [IP: xx.xx.xx.xx 80]
> E: The repository 'http://debian.inode.at/debian bullseye InRelease' is not 
> signed.

I get the same error from my Australian IP address, and also from other
servers on the Internet. I suggest that you first contact the admins
for the mirror using the mir...@inode.at address and if you do not get
a response, then please report a bug against the Debian 'mirrors'
package in order to get it removed from the mirrors list.

> I missed the second line: about an unsigned file I guess.
> I suppose that is a result of the line above.

Correct.

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Re: https://www.debian.org/mirror/list debian.inode.at 403 Forbidden

2021-03-17 Thread Paul Wise
On Wed, 2021-03-17 at 10:43 -0400, Calum McConnell wrote:

> there are many different places where it is stated that you should
> select a local mirror rather than the CDN, and a large part of the
> community still holds that belief.

Do you have some examples of these places or people?

I expect that most of the docs were simply written before the CDN
existed and that Debian hasn't fully communicated with the community
about using the CDN rather than the mirrors.

> Is that confirmed?

Depends who you ask, certainly the DSA folks who set up use of the CDN,
shut down the mirror redirector (httpredir), switched security.d.o and
ftp.d.o to the CDN, made d-i default to the CDN and demoted the mirror
choice question in d-i definitely prefer that folks use the CDN.

Right now I personally think that on balance the CDN is the best option
for many people. People in specific circumstances probably should
instead use local mirrors or the mirrors on the Tor onion service.

There is one downside common to both CDNs and mirrors:

The debdeltas aren't on a CDN nor mirrored anywhere, so the bandwidth
used for updating on bandwidth-constrained devices is potentially
expensive international traffic instead of local traffic.

There some downsides of CDNs though:

There are parts of the world that our CDN provider (Fastly) isn't great
in, doesn't have coverage in or could get banned in.

There are networks where local traffic is gratis but external traffic
costs money (such as cloud providers) or counts to quota and the CDN
provider is unlikely to have nodes within all of these networks.

CDN providers are an opportunity for MITM attacks, the design of the
Debian repo format mitigates most of these attacks though. The same
attacks of course apply to each mirror but are limited to its users.

Each CDN node does not contain a full copy of the apt repository, so
there are fewer full copies of Debian out there.

The benefit provided by https is lower for the CDN than the mirror,
since the range of file sizes being transferred is lower to the CDN
domain (which is just Debian) than to mirrors (which have more files).

There are some downsides of the mirror network too:

Having to choose a specific mirror is not something many computer users
want to be doing, so requiring a choice rather than just making one
global worldwide mirror (aka CDN) the default means the audience for
Debian is restricted to geeks, power users and folks who know them or
can hire them.

The hosting trend worldwide is towards CDNs rather than mirrors, so the
amount of mirrors is likely to go down over time.

The popularity of Debian derivatives means that Debian gets mirrored
less and in some cases ISPs make the choice to drop Debian mirrors but
keep the derivatives.

Lots of mirrors are very suboptimal, they stop updating, or do updates
in the wrong way leading to errors on user systems or just silently
leave user systems without updates.

We have no mirror redirector nor apt mirror:// provider. Consequently
the user experience when a mirror is created or goes bad isn't great,
as the submitter of this thread found, they need to be vigilant about
finding new local mirrors, or need to manually update after errors.

Since mirrors come and go, the copy of the mirror list within d-i will
always be outdated to some extent. I'm not sure if d-i auto-updates the
mirror list when it gets network though?

The ftp.CC.debian.org country-specific mirror aliases have to be
manually updated by the DSA folks rather than being automatically
updated from the mirror monitoring service.

The new mirror additions have to be manually added rather than being
automatically added to the mirrors list after a successful monitoring
period.

The mirrors that die or stop being updated have to be manually removed
from the mirrors list rather than automatically being removed.

There is no automatic mechanism for mirror operators to keep their
mirror online and updated, but indicate that it should stop being used
due to maintenance or end of life shutdown.

The mirror sync infrastructure is extra hardware that the Debian
project needs to buy (since we no longer have server vendors giving us
gratis hardware like HP/HPE used to) and that DSA need to find hosting
for and maintain and that the mirror team (which is just DSA right now)
need to setup and maintain syncing on.

The support for https within the mirror network is spotty and the
mirror monitoring infrastructure doesn't check for https support. OTOH
https only provides minimal obscurity for traffic, since all the file
sizes are known, a passive observer could correlate request size with
individual packages, especially for larger ones. For mirrors there is a
wider distribution of sizes due to mirrors of other distros on the same
domain names as the Debian mirrors, so it is harder to correlate.

PS: the mirror monitoring service:

https://mirror-master.debian.org/status/mirror-hierarchy.html
https://salsa.debian.org/mirror-team/status

P

Re: https://www.debian.org/mirror/list debian.inode.at 403 Forbidden

2021-03-12 Thread Paul Wise
On Fri, Mar 12, 2021 at 4:54 PM mx vx wrote:

> The mirror debian.inode.at is not working any more.

Please report a bug against the 'mirrors' package in order to get it removed:

https://www.debian.org/Bugs/Reporting

Please note that Debian recommends using the CDN for downloading apt
packages, especially for laptops and other devices that move around.

https://deb.debian.org/

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Re: Using urlcheck - how many broken links should we accept?

2021-03-12 Thread Paul Wise
On Thu, Mar 11, 2021 at 10:57 AM Andrew M.A. Cater wrote:

> There are lots of websites that return error codes. There are still lots
> where an http -> https substitution would solve a missing website.

The https-everywhere rule-set might help to solve the https problem.

https://github.com/EFForg/https-everywhere/

> There are lots of apparent errors where, in fact, it's just a directory level
> move - https://www-master.debian.org/build-logs/urlcheck/MailingLists

That is weird, /intro/cn is a top-level path, not a sub-path of
MailingLists. Probably there is a weird symlink on the server
somewhere?

> How much breakage should we accept for old sites / sites that have been
> renamed or simply no longer exist?

Depends on how much you can be bothered to fix, since the web changes
often there will always be newly broken URLs.

> For, for example, DPL nominations on debian-vote which list resume information
> / university "stuff" - is it worth going to fix old links?

I think historical pages (security updates, News, vote pages etc)
should either remain broken or get their links pointing to
archive.org, possibly automatically at the start of a new year.

> I'm very wary of global search and replace through all of the webwml. How
> much checking should we devote to seeing whether websites exist or still
> resolve?

Global search/replace for http -> https for domains with verified
stable working TLS seems safe to me, and a good idea. Same goes for
things that moved from debian.net to debian.org or similar. Same goes
for things that changed their URL layout slightly. I've done that sort
of thing in the past, using smart_change.pl.

With the new translation-check headers this becomes a lot harder to
do, since if someone pushes a commit while you are reviewing your
changes, you can't just rebase and continue your review, you have to
delete the translations update commit, re-do it and restart your
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Re: Using urlcheck - how many broken links should we accept?

2021-03-12 Thread Paul Wise
On Fri, Mar 12, 2021 at 3:15 PM Thomas Lange wrote:

> Sometimes people replace a broken link with a working link to
> archive.org. I do not like that. I prefer removing broken links. And
> often the content is also outdated, and removing it may be adequate.

For historical pages (like old News pages, old elections or votes), I
think it is better to either leave the broken links as-is or use
archive.org for the broken links than to remove those historical
pages/links from the website.

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Bug#983587: https://wiki.debian.org/KDE#Making_GNOME.2FGTK_applications_look_natural: file not foundE (GTK)" needs review

2021-02-26 Thread Paul Wise
On Fri, Feb 26, 2021 at 7:36 PM Scorpion2185 wrote:

> I think that the wiki needs a review:

If you know what the fix is, please register an account and add the
fix to the page.

If you don't know what the fix is, please discuss the issue on the
Debian support channels and the people there will help you find the
solution or find the appropriate team to ask about the issue.

https://www.debian.org/support

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Re: Trying to register to forums.

2021-02-17 Thread Paul Wise
On Wed, Feb 17, 2021 at 3:45 PM User Uber wrote:

> I’m having some trouble for registering to http://forums.debian.net/.
> I never receive confirmation email.

As I mentioned off-list, you will need to contact the admins, folks on
this list aren't able to assist with the forums.

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Re: Unable to join the forums.

2021-02-15 Thread Paul Wise
On Mon, Feb 15, 2021 at 7:54 PM User Uber wrote:

> Incredibly, when I try to register to forum I’m warned that my IP address has 
> been used for spamming.

Which forum are you trying to register to?

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Re: wiki.debian.org BLOCK

2021-01-14 Thread Paul Wise
On Thu, Jan 14, 2021 at 8:39 PM wrote:

> Why is Debian blocking Tor users?

We explicitly allow all Tor exit nodes, but unfortunately there is a
problem with the Tor exit node list in that it does not list the IPv6
addresses of Tor exit nodes. So when we detect spam from the Tor exit
node IPv6 addresses, they can get banned rather than ignored. Please
try another Tor exit node, most of them should work. Click on the lock
icon, then click "New Circuit for this Site". Last time this was
discussed I removed a bunch of exit nodes from the blocklist.

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Re: LTS

2021-01-04 Thread Paul Wise
On Sat, Jan 2, 2021 at 1:47 PM The7up wrote:

> This is standing in LTS index page:

Please discuss this with the LTS team on their list:

https://wiki.debian.org/LTS/Contact#debian-lts

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Re: [debian website] Translation of Buster release page

2021-01-02 Thread Paul Wise
On Sat, 2021-01-02 at 18:30 +0100, Hans Fredrik Nordhaug wrote:

> Thank you for the info. I actually was aware of the change, did some
> googling, but decided I wanted to use my old username to match all
> commits from 2017 and earlier (which I assume is locked to
> "hansfn-guest"). I don't mind being marked as a guest ;-)

You are correct about that, the commit messages have hansfn-guest as
committer for the CVS commits and cannot be changed easily.

There is a feature of git that can help here though, we can add a
mailmap file, which git log/diff etc will use to translate author
names/emails info in old commits to their new names or addresses.

Fair enough if you want to keep the -guest though.

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Bug#264589: fixed now?

2021-01-01 Thread Paul Wise
On Fri, Jan 1, 2021 at 5:45 AM Paul Wise wrote:

> The patch is untested and the packages site isn't well maintained so
> that would seem unlikely, did you check git for the patch?

I have confirmed that the patch is not yet committed to the git repo.

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Re: [debian website] Translation of Buster release page

2021-01-01 Thread Paul Wise
Hans Fredrik Nordhaug wrote:

> with my old username hansfn-guest

FYI, the policies for salsa have changed, now you can sign up without
the -guest suffix and remove it from existing accounts in the
settings.

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Bug#264589: fixed now?

2020-12-31 Thread Paul Wise
On Thu, 2020-12-31 at 11:35 +0100, Thomas Lange wrote:

> I wonder if your patch
> 0001-Link-to-manual-pages-Closes-264589.patch
> was applied and this bug can now be closed?

The patch is untested and the packages site isn't well maintained so
that would seem unlikely, did you check git for the patch?

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Re: Debian wiki is blocking my server

2020-12-26 Thread Paul Wise
On Sat, Dec 26, 2020 at 10:03 PM M. Omer GOLGELI wrote:

> Can you please remove 5.255.90.108 from your block list?

Removed from the block list.

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Re: Debian wiki page - Forbidden access through TOR

2020-12-10 Thread Paul Wise
On Thu, Dec 10, 2020 at 5:53 PM Pavlos Ponos wrote:

> (Sorry if the following is irrelevant to this list, feel free to forward it 
> to the appropriate one or completely disregard)

This is the correct mailing list.

> Today I was trying to access debian wiki (https://wiki.debian.org/) but I 
> received the following message when trying with TOR.
> Forbidden
> You are not allowed to access this!
> Some days ago I'm pretty sure I was able, today not. Is there any reason 
> behind this?

In general we allow all Tor exit nodes to access the wiki regardless
of how spammy they are.

It is hard to tell how you got this error without knowing your exit
node at the time.

If you are still getting the problem, you can share your exit node
with the wiki admins via w...@debian.org and we will investigate,
there may be a bug in how we enable Tor exit nodes to bypass the
blocklists.

In the meantime, you can switch to a new exit node easily in Tor
Browser. Just restart it, start a new identity or start a new circuit.

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Re: where is sponsors.list

2020-11-20 Thread Paul Wise
On Sat, Nov 21, 2020 at 12:18 AM sebul wrote:

> I can't find file sponsors.list

This is created by the Makefile when you run this:

make -C english/mirror sponsors.list

> https://validator.w3.org/ says
> https://www.debian.org/mirror/sponsors
> validation error at
> KH 

I think this issue got fixed since then.

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Bug#965326: Changelogs of 'linux' package in stretch+buster are 404

2020-11-09 Thread Paul Wise
On Mon, 09 Nov 2020 17:47:48 + Ben Hutchings wrote:

> I think this is true for all security uploads, unfortunately.  I
> thought I had reported this bug previously, but can't find such a
> report.

Indeed, the bug report (and many other merged duplicates) is:

https://bugs.debian.org/490848

> tracker.debian.org publishes changelogs from both main and security
> archives, so I think packages.debian.org should link to those instead
> of metadata.ftp-master.debian.org.

Hmm.

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Re: Keeping youtube-dl updated

2020-10-17 Thread Paul Wise
On Sat, Oct 17, 2020 at 7:08 AM Shlomi Fish wrote:
> On Fri, 16 Oct 2020 14:34:04 -0700 Lester Flax wrote:
> > What command should I use on Raspian on a PI 4B?
>
> Note that debian-www is the wrong list for general questions and answers.

and Debian is the wrong distro to contact about Rasbian issues.

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Bug#971845: wiki.debian.org: Update PET service status.

2020-10-08 Thread Paul Wise
On Thu, Oct 8, 2020 at 1:27 PM Aloïs Micard wrote:

> The wiki page should be updated to reflect that.

Please feel free to register an account and update the wiki page. In
case you were blocked from doing that by the anti-spam system, I've
added your email address to the allow list.

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