Bug#545114: x11-xserver-utils: xrandr undefined symbol: XRRGetScreenSizeRange

2009-09-05 Thread Brice Goglin
Jim Cline wrote: Package: x11-xserver-utils Version: 7.3+5 Severity: important After upgrading to lenny, xrandr does not work on my Thinkpad X40. It reports xrandr: symbol lookup error: xrandr: undefined symbol: XRRGetScreenSizeRange Strange.Did you ever install a custom libxrandr on

Bug#544954: xorg: Can't set native resolution on secondary monitor with NVIDIA GeForce5 FX-5200

2009-09-05 Thread Brice Goglin
reassign 544954 nvidia-glx thank you We can't do anything about the nvidia binary driver, reassign this bug. Brice David Sanchez Herrero wrote: Hi again, Here are attached my xorg.conf file forcing the 720p resolution and my Xorg log. With this configuration, the image in the secondary

Processed: Re: Bug#544954: xorg: Can't set native resolution on secondary monitor with NVIDIA GeForce5 FX-5200

2009-09-05 Thread Debian Bug Tracking System
Processing commands for cont...@bugs.debian.org: reassign 544954 nvidia-glx Bug #544954 [xorg] xorg: Can't set native resolution on secondary monitor with NVIDIA GeForce5 FX-5200 Bug reassigned from package 'xorg' to 'nvidia-glx'. Bug No longer marked as found in versions xorg/1:7.4+4. thank

Processed: Bug#545085:

2009-09-05 Thread Debian Bug Tracking System
Processing commands for cont...@bugs.debian.org: tag 545085 fixed-upstream Bug #545085 [libgl1-mesa-dri] [libgl1-mesa-dri] sigsegv when readpixels from frontbuffer with i915 Added tag(s) fixed-upstream. stop Stopping processing here. Please contact me if you need assistance. Debian bug

libdrm: Changes to 'upstream-unstable'

2009-09-05 Thread Julien Cristau
.gitignore|1 configure.ac |2 libdrm/intel/Makefile.am |2 libdrm/intel/intel_bufmgr.c |7 libdrm/intel/intel_bufmgr.h |1 libdrm/intel/intel_bufmgr_gem.c | 28 +- libdrm/intel/intel_bufmgr_priv.h |

libdrm: Changes to 'refs/tags/libdrm-2.4.13-1'

2009-09-05 Thread Julien Cristau
Tag 'libdrm-2.4.13-1' created by Julien Cristau jcris...@debian.org at 2009-09-05 11:20 + Tagging upload of libdrm 2.4.13-1 to unstable. Changes since libdrm-2.4.12-1: Alex Deucher (3): Add R600_SCRATCH_REG_OFFSET to radeon_drm.h Add RADEON_INIT_R600_CP too radeon: pull in

libdrm: Changes to 'debian-unstable'

2009-09-05 Thread Julien Cristau
.gitignore|1 ChangeLog | 197 ++ configure.ac |2 debian/changelog |9 debian/libdrm-intel1.symbols |1 debian/rules |2 libdrm/intel/Makefile.am

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Re: empty keyboard adapter holds built-in keyboard for ransom

2009-09-05 Thread jidanni
That cable may actually have some logic in it similar to a dock. Is it a USB to PS/2 Y-cable Yes. lsusb says ID 13ba:0017 Unknown PS/2 Keyboard+Mouse Adapter Why do I have to unplug it, start xdm (- below), then plug it back in, if I want all devices to work? Why if I start xdm with it

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x11proto-bigreqs: Changes to 'upstream-unstable'

2009-09-05 Thread Julien Cristau
.gitignore |4 +++ ChangeLog |4 --- Makefile.am| 13 +- bigreqsproto.h | 67 + bigreqstr.h| 72 ++--- configure.ac |6 +++- 6 files changed, 91

x11proto-bigreqs: Changes to 'debian-unstable'

2009-09-05 Thread Julien Cristau
.cvsignore | 10 .gitignore | 14 ChangeLog | 165 +++ Makefile.am| 13 Makefile.in| 434 aclocal.m4 | 879 bigreqsproto.h | 67 + bigreqstr.h| 72 - configure

x11proto-bigreqs: Changes to 'debian-unstable'

2009-09-05 Thread Julien Cristau
debian/changelog |1 + debian/compat|2 +- debian/control |2 +- 3 files changed, 3 insertions(+), 2 deletions(-) New commits: commit dfa166824ce8824301b7dfe1c3c9152ddc15753b Author: Julien Cristau jcris...@debian.org Date: Sat Sep 5 13:58:55 2009 +0200 Bump debhelper

libdrm: Changes to 'debian-unstable'

2009-09-05 Thread Julien Cristau
debian/changelog |6 ++ debian/rules |6 +- 2 files changed, 11 insertions(+), 1 deletion(-) New commits: commit 7f0e2de49e0a4006f5c28e6dac2e161f7a96b50c Author: Julien Cristau jcris...@debian.org Date: Sat Sep 5 14:14:51 2009 +0200 Parse space-separated

x11proto-composite: Changes to 'debian-unstable'

2009-09-05 Thread Julien Cristau
Makefile.in | 540 -- aclocal.m4 | 665 configure| 3224 --- debian/README.source | 73 debian/changelog | 11 debian/control |

x11proto-damage: Changes to 'refs/tags/x11proto-damage-1_1.2.0-1'

2009-09-05 Thread Julien Cristau
Tag 'x11proto-damage-1_1.2.0-1' created by Julien Cristau jcris...@debian.org at 2009-09-05 12:58 + Tagging upload of x11proto-damage 1:1.2.0-1 to unstable. Changes since x11proto-damage-1.1.0-2: Brice Goglin (6): Fix displaying of patches applied by quilt. Minor fixes in the

x11proto-damage: Changes to 'upstream-unstable'

2009-09-05 Thread Julien Cristau
.gitignore |1 + ChangeLog | 39 --- Makefile.am | 12 ++-- configure.ac|9 ++--- damageproto.h |2 -- damageproto.txt | 11 ++- damagewire.h|2 -- 7 files changed, 23 insertions(+), 53

x11proto-damage: Changes to 'debian-unstable'

2009-09-05 Thread Julien Cristau
.gitignore |1 ChangeLog| 48 Makefile.am | 12 Makefile.in | 540 -- aclocal.m4 | 647 --- configure| 3201

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Bug#545114: marked as done (x11-xserver-utils: xrandr undefined symbol: XRRGetScreenSizeRange)

2009-09-05 Thread Debian Bug Tracking System
Your message dated Sat, 05 Sep 2009 15:58:55 +0200 with message-id 4aa26e9f.3050...@ens-lyon.org and subject line Re: Bug#545114: x11-xserver-utils: xrandr undefined symbol: XRRGetScreenSizeRange has caused the Debian Bug report #545114, regarding x11-xserver-utils: xrandr undefined symbol:

x11proto-dmx: Changes to 'debian-experimental'

2009-09-05 Thread Julien Cristau
New branch 'debian-experimental' available with the following commits: commit c810cfede532823c4166a0d99c2e8c7ceb9523b5 Author: Julien Cristau jcris...@debian.org Date: Sat Sep 5 16:03:24 2009 +0200 Bump Standards-Version to 3.8.3. commit 85b5130f35768d54e3976a1c5a0e951c3ad4f28d Author:

x11proto-dmx: Changes to 'upstream-experimental'

2009-09-05 Thread Julien Cristau
New branch 'upstream-experimental' available with the following commits: -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-x-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org

x11proto-dmx: Changes to 'debian-experimental'

2009-09-05 Thread Julien Cristau
debian/changelog |1 + debian/control |1 + 2 files changed, 2 insertions(+) New commits: commit c27d22b28c87a030912f5f99c1a0d57ae48c8a26 Author: Julien Cristau jcris...@debian.org Date: Sat Sep 5 16:28:59 2009 +0200 Add Breaks on old libdmx-dev. diff --git a/debian/changelog

Bug#459889: Venha participar de Onazes!

2009-09-05 Thread Rafael Lima Souza
Onazes: Você na Net Entre para o mundo Onazes! Crie o seu perfil e faça novas amizades! Clique no link abaixo para entrar: http://onazes.ning.com/?xgi=0iqW81Zqz7Oi9G If your email program doesn't recognize the web address above as an active link, please copy and paste it

x11proto-dmx: Changes to 'debian-experimental'

2009-09-05 Thread Julien Cristau
debian/changelog |4 ++-- 1 file changed, 2 insertions(+), 2 deletions(-) New commits: commit 78ebad0a41593e1ab661b8b097cab684204cf492 Author: Julien Cristau jcris...@debian.org Date: Sat Sep 5 17:25:03 2009 +0200 Prepare changelog for upload diff --git a/debian/changelog

x11proto-dmx: Changes to 'refs/tags/x11proto-dmx-1_2.2.99.1-1'

2009-09-05 Thread Julien Cristau
Tag 'x11proto-dmx-1_2.2.99.1-1' created by Julien Cristau jcris...@debian.org at 2009-09-05 15:26 + Tagging upload of x11proto-dmx 1:2.2.99.1-1 to experimental. Changes since x11proto-dmx-1_2.2.2-5: Brice Goglin (1): Update xsfbs/quilt patching rules to be compatible with the David

libdmx: Changes to 'upstream-experimental'

2009-09-05 Thread Julien Cristau
New branch 'upstream-experimental' available with the following commits: commit 1cb350964c416963523aca0234dc24563ef29d1b Author: Peter Hutterer peter.hutte...@who-t.net Date: Fri Aug 28 10:07:10 2009 +1000 libdmx 1.0.99.1 commit 72929c5cb3b78d3b83a2f40e3662104194b70cd6 Author: Peter

libdmx: Changes to 'debian-experimental'

2009-09-05 Thread Julien Cristau
New branch 'debian-experimental' available with the following commits: commit 6777504a8ba71a0c30c320e33370f87102e5023c Author: Julien Cristau jcris...@debian.org Date: Sat Sep 5 17:23:04 2009 +0200 Prepare changelog for upload commit 67f0ad39e1ffb9d9482d1b19abe8ad56e918a8c7 Author: Julien

libdmx: Changes to 'refs/tags/libdmx-1_1.0.99.1-1'

2009-09-05 Thread Julien Cristau
Tag 'libdmx-1_1.0.99.1-1' created by Julien Cristau jcris...@debian.org at 2009-09-05 15:28 + Tagging upload of libdmx 1:1.0.99.1-1 to experimental. Changes since libdmx-1_1.0.2-3: Alan Coopersmith (1): Add README with pointers to mailing list, bugzilla git repos Brice Goglin (3):

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x11proto-dmx_2.2.99.1-1_amd64.changes ACCEPTED

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libsm 2:1.1.1-1 MIGRATED to testing

2009-09-05 Thread Debian testing watch
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libxt 1:1.0.6-1 MIGRATED to testing

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xorg 1:7.3+20 MIGRATED to testing

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Bug#545194: xserver-xorg-core: Display switching via fn-f7 broken

2009-09-05 Thread Jim Cline
Package: xserver-xorg-core Version: 2:1.4.2-10.lenny2 Severity: important I guess it is well known that the fn-f7 key which toggles between LCD and external monitor for thinkpads and other laptops does not work in X.org although it worked in XF86. Older versions of X.org had options

Bug#521230: second this

2009-09-05 Thread Timor Raiman
Severity: important This is the same for all x11proto-* packages. The build dependency has to be added in order to ease backporting of the entire xorg suite, which is required for someone with video hardware for which no support exists in lenny. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to

Bug#535892:

2009-09-05 Thread Eric Anholt
For suddenly the screen was completely corrupted, that's usually fencing issues. Several of those were fixed in the 2.8.0 driver. Also, you filed against 2.7.1 of the 2D driver, but your log shows 2.3.2 in use. I can't explain the window management not responding but some rendering occurring,

Bug#524444:

2009-09-05 Thread Eric Anholt
Could you update to the 2D driver in unstable and re-test? This looks like an issue that I fixed in 2.8.0. Note that you'll really want to update your kernel, or X performance will be terrible. -- Eric Anholt e...@anholt.net eric.anh...@intel.com signature.asc

Bug#522925:

2009-09-05 Thread Eric Anholt
Does this also happen with the 2D driver from unstable? Also, can you explain what exactly you mean by can not be moved further right -- you mean your window manager just doesn't let you drag windows that far because it thinks the edge of the screen is there, or that something bad happens then

Processed: your mail

2009-09-05 Thread Debian Bug Tracking System
Processing commands for cont...@bugs.debian.org: tag 545085 fixed-upstream Bug #545085 [libgl1-mesa-dri] [libgl1-mesa-dri] sigsegv when readpixels from frontbuffer with i915 Ignoring request to alter tags of bug #545085 to the same tags previously set stop Stopping processing here. Please

Bug#524340:

2009-09-05 Thread Eric Anholt
Let's focus on the lockup with UXA, which is the only method supported in the driver in unstable. Could you attach the output of intel_gpu_dump from intel-gpu-tools, at the point where your desktop is hung? Also, having your Mesa and kernel updated from unstable will help make sure it's not an

Bug#539064:

2009-09-05 Thread Eric Anholt
tag upstream done Currently, logging out of the display manager crashes the X Server, which leaves the hardware in a variety of bad states. This is being tracked upstream at https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20516 -- Eric Anholt e...@anholt.net

Bug#519155: marked as done (xserver-xorg-video-intel: X server crashes at startup when XAA is enabled)

2009-09-05 Thread Debian Bug Tracking System
Your message dated Sat, 05 Sep 2009 17:18:31 -0700 with message-id 1252196311.5843.52.ca...@gaiman.anholt.net and subject line has caused the Debian Bug report #519155, regarding xserver-xorg-video-intel: X server crashes at startup when XAA is enabled to be marked as done. This means that you

Bug#539819:

2009-09-05 Thread Eric Anholt
On first review, your logs all look good, we just need to figure out why your GPU hung. Could you attach the output of intel_gpu_dump? And if you get a chance to ssh in, checking if the CPU's busy might be relevant. -- Eric Anholt e...@anholt.net eric.anh...@intel.com

Bug#512184: marked as done (OpenGL canvases appear on top of all other windows)

2009-09-05 Thread Debian Bug Tracking System
Your message dated Sat, 05 Sep 2009 17:10:58 -0700 with message-id 1252195858.5843.49.ca...@gaiman.anholt.net and subject line has caused the Debian Bug report #512184, regarding OpenGL canvases appear on top of all other windows to be marked as done. This means that you claim that the problem

Bug#513425:

2009-09-05 Thread Eric Anholt
Could you update to the 2D driver in unstable and re-test? We added vsync for the textured video output (the default everything uses), and GL with DRI2 now vsyncs by default as well. Or by flickering, do you mean something other than some frames I see on the screen are partially the previous

Bug#521834:

2009-09-05 Thread Eric Anholt
Does this also occur if you run with KMS enabled (i915.modeset=1 from kernel command line) with the kernel, xserver, and 2D driver from unstable? -- Eric Anholt e...@anholt.net eric.anh...@intel.com signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part

Bug#529179:

2009-09-05 Thread Eric Anholt
Could you update to the kernel, X Server, and 2D driver in unstable and re-test? This looks like a bug fixed a long time ago where the X Server would get impatient waiting for some rendering to complete and exit uncleanly. -- Eric Anholt e...@anholt.net

Bug#536011:

2009-09-05 Thread Eric Anholt
Could you try with the current packages in unstable? Your corruption sounds a lot like a collection of bugs we fixed in 2.8.0 of the 2D driver. -- Eric Anholt e...@anholt.net eric.anh...@intel.com signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part

Bug#536287:

2009-09-05 Thread Eric Anholt
(II) intel(0): direct rendering: Failed There's something weird. Do you not have libgl1-mesa-dri installed maybe? -- Eric Anholt e...@anholt.net eric.anh...@intel.com signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part

Bug#528656: marked as done (xserver-xorg-video-intel: large virtual screen causes Segmentation fault)

2009-09-05 Thread Debian Bug Tracking System
Your message dated Sat, 05 Sep 2009 16:41:24 -0700 with message-id 1252194084.5843.35.ca...@gaiman.anholt.net and subject line has caused the Debian Bug report #528656, regarding xserver-xorg-video-intel: large virtual screen causes Segmentation fault to be marked as done. This means that you

Bug#520791:

2009-09-05 Thread Eric Anholt
Could you try with the kernel, 2D driver, and xserver from unstable? That should get the same performance as the early 2.x with XAA. With fixes coming in xserver 1.6.4 we should have better performance than ever. -- Eric Anholt e...@anholt.net eric.anh...@intel.com

Bug#511898:

2009-09-05 Thread Eric Anholt
As far as the bad initial video mode choice of 800x600 goes, that's the x server's decision, and I've argued that it's wrong, but had no luck. Your VGA doesn't actually advertise 1280x768, so it's not included in the mode list, but you could add it using xrandr. For both of these problems, we

Bug#532335:

2009-09-05 Thread Eric Anholt
Could you update to the kernel, xserver, and 2D driver in unstable and test? The error report shown there looks like a problem fixed a long time ago, where the X Server would get impatient waiting for some rendering to complete, and decide that the GPU is locked up and exit uncleanly. -- Eric

Bug#523013:

2009-09-05 Thread Eric Anholt
Could you try updating your kernel, xserver, and 2D driver to the versions from unstable? We've fixed a lot of GPU lockups since 2.3.2. -- Eric Anholt e...@anholt.net eric.anh...@intel.com signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part

Processed: your mail

2009-09-05 Thread Debian Bug Tracking System
Processing commands for cont...@bugs.debian.org: tag 539064 upstream Bug #539064 [xserver-xorg-video-intel] xserver-xorg-video-intel: kdm logout blanks screen Added tag(s) upstream. thanks Stopping processing here. Please contact me if you need assistance. Debian bug tracking system

Bug#469706: Random lockups on i945GM chipset

2009-09-05 Thread Matt Wozniski
I'm seeing near-instantaneous lockups after an update in Sid. I hadn't done an update for several months (I know, shame on me), and now I'm seeing lockups within seconds after I start interacting with an X session. That is, after GDM starts, if I try to log in, it will usually hang before I even

Bug#533509:

2009-09-05 Thread Eric Anholt
Could you update to the kernel, xserver, and 2D driver in unstable and test? We've fixed an large number of these GPU hangs since 2.3.2. -- Eric Anholt e...@anholt.net eric.anh...@intel.com signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part

Bug#443761: marked as done (xserver-xorg-video-intel: debian crash or graphical problems using intel X3000 chipset)

2009-09-05 Thread Debian Bug Tracking System
Your message dated Sat, 05 Sep 2009 01:33:14 -0700 with message-id 1252139594.14509.3.ca...@gaiman.anholt.net and subject line has caused the Debian Bug report #443761, regarding xserver-xorg-video-intel: debian crash or graphical problems using intel X3000 chipset to be marked as done. This

Bug#469706: Random lockups on i945GM chipset

2009-09-05 Thread Eric Anholt
On Sat, 2009-09-05 at 22:25 -0400, Matt Wozniski wrote: I'm seeing near-instantaneous lockups after an update in Sid. I hadn't done an update for several months (I know, shame on me), and now I'm seeing lockups within seconds after I start interacting with an X session. That is, after GDM

Bug#469706: Random lockups on i945GM chipset

2009-09-05 Thread Matt Wozniski
On Sat, Sep 5, 2009 at 11:43 PM, Eric Anholt wrote: On Sat, 2009-09-05 at 22:25 -0400, Matt Wozniski wrote: I'm seeing near-instantaneous lockups after an update in Sid.  I hadn't done an update for several months (I know, shame on me), and now I'm seeing lockups within seconds after I start