[Declude.JunkMail] Non-existent mail addresses
Hi, I realize that a lot of e-mail goes to the spam folder that is addressed to non-existent (or not-anymore-existent) addresses. Is there any reason, why Declude does not check the recipient's name before doing other tests? Wouldn't it be better to return e-mail to non exiistent addresses instead of holding it in the spam folder? +--+ | interactiveaustria | | Michael Tobisch EDV-Dienstleistungen | | Wiesengasse 12, A-8160 Weiz | | Tel +43 3172 4930| | GSM +43 664 2126941 | | EMail [EMAIL PROTECTED]| | Web http://www.iaa.at| +--+ | Kundeninformationen per E-Mail: | | http://www.iaa.at/kundeninfo.asp | +--+ --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Non-existent mail addresses
I realize that a lot of e-mail goes to the spam folder that is addressed to non-existent (or not-anymore-existent) addresses. Is there any reason, why Declude does not check the recipient's name before doing other tests? Wouldn't it be better to return e-mail to non exiistent addresses instead of holding it in the spam folder? Receiving of messages and verify the recipient is up to Imail, not Declude. Do you have a nobody alias configured somewhere? John Tolmachoff MCSE CSSA Engineer/Consultant eServices For You www.eservicesforyou.com --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Non-existent mail addresses
Actually, it would be better to setup IMail not to receive mail for non-existent e-mail addresses. In fact, that is the default. IMail will only accept e-mail for non-existent e-mail addresses if you have setup a nobody alias within your domains. I would suggest removing the nobody aliases if you do not want to receive e-mails for these non-existent accounts. Bill - Original Message - From: interactiveaustria [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, August 01, 2003 11:06 PM Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] Non-existent mail addresses Hi, I realize that a lot of e-mail goes to the spam folder that is addressed to non-existent (or not-anymore-existent) addresses. Is there any reason, why Declude does not check the recipient's name before doing other tests? Wouldn't it be better to return e-mail to non exiistent addresses instead of holding it in the spam folder? +--+ | interactiveaustria | | Michael Tobisch EDV-Dienstleistungen | | Wiesengasse 12, A-8160 Weiz | | Tel +43 3172 4930| | GSM +43 664 2126941 | | EMail [EMAIL PROTECTED]| | Web http://www.iaa.at| +--+ | Kundeninformationen per E-Mail: | | http://www.iaa.at/kundeninfo.asp | +--+ --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
AW: [Declude.JunkMail] Non-existent mail addresses
I don't have a nobody alias set up. It seems to me that Declude takes the incoming mail and does the tests (spam, virus) before putting it into the inbox. If somebody writes to a non-existent mail that fails the test with a weight that is set to HOLD, it will be stored in the spam folder instead of returning it. Is this by design? Michael -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Auftrag von Bill Landry Gesendet: Samstag, 02. August 2003 09:11 An: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Betreff: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Non-existent mail addresses Actually, it would be better to setup IMail not to receive mail for non-existent e-mail addresses. In fact, that is the default. IMail will only accept e-mail for non-existent e-mail addresses if you have setup a nobody alias within your domains. I would suggest removing the nobody aliases if you do not want to receive e-mails for these non-existent accounts. Bill - Original Message - From: interactiveaustria [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, August 01, 2003 11:06 PM Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] Non-existent mail addresses Hi, I realize that a lot of e-mail goes to the spam folder that is addressed to non-existent (or not-anymore-existent) addresses. Is there any reason, why Declude does not check the recipient's name before doing other tests? Wouldn't it be better to return e-mail to non exiistent addresses instead of holding it in the spam folder? +--+ | interactiveaustria | | Michael Tobisch EDV-Dienstleistungen | | Wiesengasse 12, A-8160 Weiz | | Tel +43 3172 4930| | GSM +43 664 2126941 | | EMail [EMAIL PROTECTED]| | Web http://www.iaa.at| +--+ | Kundeninformationen per E-Mail: | | http://www.iaa.at/kundeninfo.asp | +--+ --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- Dieses E-Mail wurde von Declude.Virus auf Virusfreiheit geprueft Ein Service von interactiveaustria --- --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Non-existent mail addresses
I don't have a nobody alias set up. If you don't have a nobody alias set up, IMail will reject E-mail to non-existent accounts, so the E-mail shouldn't be delivered. However: It seems to me that Declude takes the incoming mail and does the tests (spam, virus) before putting it into the inbox. If somebody writes to a non-existent mail that fails the test with a weight that is set to HOLD, it will be stored in the spam folder instead of returning it. Is this by design? This situation will of course happen if you have the nobody alias set up. However, given that you do not, what could be happening is that the E-mail is being addressed to one or more valid accounts and one or more non-existent accounts. In this case, the E-mail will be held, and the Q*.SMD file will list the non-existent accounts (in NRCPT TO lines, but not R lines). -Scott --- Declude JunkMail: The advanced anti-spam solution for IMail mailservers. Declude Virus: Catches known viruses and is the leader in mailserver vulnerability detection. Find out what you have been missing: Ask for a free 30-day evaluation. --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Discrepancies in New GLOBAL.CFG
OSSRC is still in GLOBAL.CFG but it has been commented out and moved to the Not Commonly Used section. Does anyone know why this was changed? It also still seems to be a valid test and it's not a pay service so I don't understand the move. The reason for that is that the OSSRC test is the same as SPEWS, and SPEWS intentionally lists lots of legitimate mailservers, and makes it nearly impossible for them to get out. -Scott --- - Scott, I had a problem with SPEWS a while back. But after doing a little research on NANAE, I realized that the SPEWS strategy is to block the spammer first. If the ISP does not do anything about the spammer, they expand the block to include more subnets. This usually gets the ISP's attention and they boot the spammer. Then and only then is block is removed. Agree with it or not, it is an effective strategy. Best Regards, Sr.Consultant / Phillip B. Holmes Media Resolutions Inc. Macromedia Alliance Partner http://www.mediares.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] 1-888-395-4678 |Ext. 101 972-889-0201 |Ext. 101 --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Discrepancies in New GLOBAL.CFG
Given that OSSRC and OSSOFT are no longer effective, besides EASYNET-DNSBL and SPAMCOP, what are others giving good Weight to, thanks for the info. Keith -Original Message- From: R. Scott Perry [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Fri 8/1/2003 5:01 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Discrepancies in New GLOBAL.CFG OSSRC is still in GLOBAL.CFG but it has been commented out and moved to the Not Commonly Used section. Does anyone know why this was changed? It also still seems to be a valid test and it's not a pay service so I don't understand the move. The reason for that is that the OSSRC test is the same as SPEWS, and SPEWS intentionally lists lots of legitimate mailservers, and makes it nearly impossible for them to get out. -Scott --- Declude JunkMail: The advanced anti-spam solution for IMail mailservers. Declude Virus: Catches known viruses and is the leader in mailserver vulnerability detection. Find out what you have been missing: Ask for a free 30-day evaluation. --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. winmail.dat
[Declude.JunkMail] SUBJECTSPACES test
Scott, This has probably been mentioned but I just heard about it. The SUBJECTSPACES test, is it an undocumented test? Will it check spaced all in a row, ie: This MessageHere and the spaces between or does it also count the space between words. Jeff Kratka * TymeWyse Internet P.O.Box 84 - 583 N. Main St., Canyonville, OR 97417 tel/fax: (541) 839-6027 - [EMAIL PROTECTED] * --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
Re: [Declude.JunkMail] SUBJECTSPACES test
Jeff, this test adds all spaces found in the subject together (including single spaces between words), not just contiguous spaces. Bill - Original Message - From: Jeff Kratka [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, August 02, 2003 12:48 PM Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] SUBJECTSPACES test Scott, This has probably been mentioned but I just heard about it. The SUBJECTSPACES test, is it an undocumented test? Will it check spaced all in a row, ie: This MessageHere and the spaces between or does it also count the space between words. Jeff Kratka * TymeWyse Internet P.O.Box 84 - 583 N. Main St., Canyonville, OR 97417 tel/fax: (541) 839-6027 - [EMAIL PROTECTED] * --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
Re: [Declude.JunkMail] SUBJECTSPACES test
This has probably been mentioned but I just heard about it. The SUBJECTSPACES test, is it an undocumented test? It's currently undocumented, but is part of what we are adding to the documentation for 1.75. Will it check spaced all in a row, ie: This MessageHere and the spaces between or does it also count the space between words. It counts all the spaces, including ones between words. To define the test, you can use a line such as: SUBJECTSPACES subjectspaces 20 x 4 0 That line (in the global.cfg file) would define the test so that it would be triggered if more than 20 spaces were found in the subject (and would add 4 to the weight of the E-mail if this test was triggered). -Scott --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Report System
Ditto -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Russ Uhte (Lists) Sent: Friday, August 01, 2003 6:45 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Report System If you would like to try it out let me know and I will make it available.. I'll jump on the bandwagon. I'd love to try that out as well. -Russ --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
[Declude.JunkMail] Ban Attachments
What would be the best way to delete all messages that contain an attachment using Pro? Thanks, Paul Navarre --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Ban Attachments
JunkMail is not really geared to do this. However, if you are running Declude virus, you can use the BANEXT feature to quarantine e-mail messages that contain defined attachment extensions. I don't know if the BANEXT feature supports a wildcard entry that will let you ban all e-mail messages with attachments. One of the problem I could see happening if trying to do this with JunkMail is that you would end up deleting messages that even reference a file name. Bill - Original Message - From: Paul Navarre [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, August 02, 2003 3:37 PM Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] Ban Attachments What would be the best way to delete all messages that contain an attachment using Pro? Thanks, Paul Navarre --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
[Declude.JunkMail] Death to Trustic Trustic Service Ending
Everyone, We have decided to close the Trustic service. As has become apparent recently, there are several issues with the system as it is designed. As such, we do not believe Trustic will reach the level of accuracy that we require. The issue of handling large ISPs that, for the most part, deal with spam complaints is one of the main flaws in the Trustic system for which we see no apparent solution. Registrations have been disabled on the site. Within a day the site itself will be taken down and replaced with a notice. The DNS blocklist will remain for a couple of weeks, but it will be configured to never return a match. Please reconfigure your mail servers to not query the blocklist. We remain confident that the problem of spam is a solvable problem. Thank you for your help with this great experiment. Mark -- Mark Fletcher Trustic, Inc http://www.trustic.com http://www.bloglines.com --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
