Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Whitelisted- getting thru
Does it matter that I don't have postmaster whitelisted...is this test still valid? Richard Farris Ethixs Online 1.270.247. Office 1.800.548.3877 Tech Support - Original Message - From: Darrell ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, May 19, 2004 1:44 PM Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Whitelisted- getting thru Andy, This works because the action on the Postmaster test is ROUTETO back to the postmaster. How it works [1] Lowers the weight of the email by 100 so that the message will not be held or deleted in our system [2] Re-routes the message back to the postmaster only if the postmaster account was an actual recipient of that email. Our policy is that we want to accept any mail destined to the postmaster or abuse account simply because if someone is being blocked by our spam filtering we would like to give them the opportunity to contact us to resolve the issue. However, with just whitelisting the postmaster account you open yourself up to allowing spam to your users if the spammer adds the postmaster account to the email. The solution above mitigates this, because it reroutes the message to the postmaster preventing it from going to the user. The -100 just prevents it from being deleted. So in the end [1] The postmaster gets the mail and the other recipients don't. Darrell Quoting Andy Schmidt [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Darrell: Your technique assigns a weight of -100 to the mail if it contains a certain email address as the recipient? Once the mail has a weight of -100 (adjusted by any failed tests) - how does that PREVENT the email from being delivered to all the OTHER recipients? I'm not clear how the effect is different from a whitelist? Best Regards Andy Schmidt HM Systems Software, Inc. 600 East Crescent Avenue, Suite 203 Upper Saddle River, NJ 07458-1846 Phone: +1 201 934-3414 x20 (Business) Fax:+1 201 934-9206 http://www.HM-Software.com/ -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Darrell ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Sent: Wednesday, May 19, 2004 12:51 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Whitelisted- getting thru Richard, This is a common problem especially when dealing with postmaster account. Most people whitelist postmaster and because spammers know this they often include a postmaster address because they know the message (even to the other recipients) will be delivered. I posted awhile back on what I do to get around it. Check out http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/msg11041.html Hope this helps! Darrell - Check out http://www.invariantsystems.com for utilities for Declude and Imail. Quoting Richard Farris [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I have noticed that some of the spam getting thru is because a I have several in my whitelist and even though it is not addressed to them it sends it on because the whitelisted email is in the CC or BCC... Isn't there any way to whitelist only if it is addressed to that person in the To: box? Richard Farris Ethixs Online 1.270.247. Office 1.800.548.3877 Tech Support --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. - Check out http://www.invariantsystems.com for utilities for Declude and Imail. --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Whitelisted- getting thru
Richard, In my experience it is not a good idea to whitelist the postmaster account for the exact reasons you posted below. If you have the postmaster account whitelisted any incoming spam with multiple recipients listed will end up having the mail delivered. However, the setup of tests below that I outlined [1] allows the mail to be delivered to the postmaster, but [2] prevents it from being delivered to the other recipients. Hope that helps. Darrell - Check out http://www.invariantsystems.com for utilities for Declude and Imail. Quoting Richard Farris [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Does it matter that I don't have postmaster whitelisted...is this test still valid? Richard Farris Ethixs Online 1.270.247. Office 1.800.548.3877 Tech Support - Original Message - From: Darrell ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, May 19, 2004 1:44 PM Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Whitelisted- getting thru Andy, This works because the action on the Postmaster test is ROUTETO back to the postmaster. How it works [1] Lowers the weight of the email by 100 so that the message will not be held or deleted in our system [2] Re-routes the message back to the postmaster only if the postmaster account was an actual recipient of that email. Our policy is that we want to accept any mail destined to the postmaster or abuse account simply because if someone is being blocked by our spam filtering we would like to give them the opportunity to contact us to resolve the issue. However, with just whitelisting the postmaster account you open yourself up to allowing spam to your users if the spammer adds the postmaster account to the email. The solution above mitigates this, because it reroutes the message to the postmaster preventing it from going to the user. The -100 just prevents it from being deleted. So in the end [1] The postmaster gets the mail and the other recipients don't. Darrell Quoting Andy Schmidt [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Darrell: Your technique assigns a weight of -100 to the mail if it contains a certain email address as the recipient? Once the mail has a weight of -100 (adjusted by any failed tests) - how does that PREVENT the email from being delivered to all the OTHER recipients? I'm not clear how the effect is different from a whitelist? Best Regards Andy Schmidt HM Systems Software, Inc. 600 East Crescent Avenue, Suite 203 Upper Saddle River, NJ 07458-1846 Phone: +1 201 934-3414 x20 (Business) Fax:+1 201 934-9206 http://www.HM-Software.com/ -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Darrell ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Sent: Wednesday, May 19, 2004 12:51 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Whitelisted- getting thru Richard, This is a common problem especially when dealing with postmaster account. Most people whitelist postmaster and because spammers know this they often include a postmaster address because they know the message (even to the other recipients) will be delivered. I posted awhile back on what I do to get around it. Check out http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/msg11041.html Hope this helps! Darrell - Check out http://www.invariantsystems.com for utilities for Declude and Imail. Quoting Richard Farris [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I have noticed that some of the spam getting thru is because a I have several in my whitelist and even though it is not addressed to them it sends it on because the whitelisted email is in the CC or BCC... Isn't there any way to whitelist only if it is addressed to that person in the To: box? Richard Farris Ethixs Online 1.270.247. Office 1.800.548.3877 Tech Support --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. - Check out http://www.invariantsystems.com for utilities for Declude and Imail. --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail
RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Whitelisted- getting thru
Actually - I used combinations of BypassWhitelisting with both the total weight and number of recipients. Someone who has a high weight and sends to the postmaster only, can get through. Someone who sends to a few people plus the postmaster, can only have a medium weight. Someone who sends to a whole bunch of people plus the postmaster, better have close to 0 weight. This way, VALID messages to postmaster can get through. The higher the weight, the less tolerant my system is with allowing additional recipients. Every day a TON of messages are NOT whitelisted - because the weight and/or the number of other recipients was too high. Best Regards Andy Schmidt Phone: +1 201 934-3414 x20 (Business) Fax:+1 201 934-9206 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Darrell ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Sent: Friday, May 21, 2004 08:40 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Whitelisted- getting thru Richard, In my experience it is not a good idea to whitelist the postmaster account for the exact reasons you posted below. If you have the postmaster account whitelisted any incoming spam with multiple recipients listed will end up having the mail delivered. However, the setup of tests below that I outlined [1] allows the mail to be delivered to the postmaster, but [2] prevents it from being delivered to the other recipients. Hope that helps. Darrell - Check out http://www.invariantsystems.com for utilities for Declude and Imail. Quoting Richard Farris [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Does it matter that I don't have postmaster whitelisted...is this test still valid? Richard Farris Ethixs Online 1.270.247. Office 1.800.548.3877 Tech Support - Original Message - From: Darrell ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, May 19, 2004 1:44 PM Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Whitelisted- getting thru Andy, This works because the action on the Postmaster test is ROUTETO back to the postmaster. How it works [1] Lowers the weight of the email by 100 so that the message will not be held or deleted in our system [2] Re-routes the message back to the postmaster only if the postmaster account was an actual recipient of that email. Our policy is that we want to accept any mail destined to the postmaster or abuse account simply because if someone is being blocked by our spam filtering we would like to give them the opportunity to contact us to resolve the issue. However, with just whitelisting the postmaster account you open yourself up to allowing spam to your users if the spammer adds the postmaster account to the email. The solution above mitigates this, because it reroutes the message to the postmaster preventing it from going to the user. The -100 just prevents it from being deleted. So in the end [1] The postmaster gets the mail and the other recipients don't. Darrell Quoting Andy Schmidt [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Darrell: Your technique assigns a weight of -100 to the mail if it contains a certain email address as the recipient? Once the mail has a weight of -100 (adjusted by any failed tests) - how does that PREVENT the email from being delivered to all the OTHER recipients? I'm not clear how the effect is different from a whitelist? Best Regards Andy Schmidt HM Systems Software, Inc. 600 East Crescent Avenue, Suite 203 Upper Saddle River, NJ 07458-1846 Phone: +1 201 934-3414 x20 (Business) Fax:+1 201 934-9206 http://www.HM-Software.com/ -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Darrell ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Sent: Wednesday, May 19, 2004 12:51 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Whitelisted- getting thru Richard, This is a common problem especially when dealing with postmaster account. Most people whitelist postmaster and because spammers know this they often include a postmaster address because they know the message (even to the other recipients) will be delivered. I posted awhile back on what I do to get around it. Check out http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/msg11041. html Hope this helps! Darrell - Check out http://www.invariantsystems.com for utilities for Declude and Imail. Quoting Richard Farris [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I have noticed that some of the spam getting thru is because a I have several in my whitelist and even though it is not addressed to them it sends it on because the whitelisted email is in the CC or BCC... Isn't there any way to whitelist only if it is addressed to that person in the To: box?
[Declude.JunkMail] maxweight/minweight question
Can the maxweight / minweight be changed in the middle of a filter? I can't really think of a reason to use it, just curious. maxweight 3 subject 5 contains URGENT REQUEST maxweight 6 body 10 contains NIGERIAN OIL COMPANY Scott Fisher Director of IT Farm Progress Companies --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
RE: [Declude.JunkMail] OFF TOPIC
Kevin,you might want to have a look at bouncefinder from Declude (it's free). http://www.declude.com/Articles.asp?ID=100 This app will analyse your Imail log and report each bounce. Eric HébertNetwork AdminIntrasoft Solutions Int'lWeb: www.intrasoft.net From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Tolmachoff (Lists)Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2004 3:33 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] OFF TOPIC There has been a lot of talk on the Imail list about problems sending to Hotmail the last 2 weeks. John Tolmachoff Engineer/Consultant/Owner eServices For You -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kevin ShimwellSent: Thursday, May 20, 2004 12:30 PMTo: Declude Junk MailSubject: [Declude.JunkMail] OFF TOPIC Hey group! Is anyone exerimenting with a lot of bounced email from MSN and Hotmail? If so can some one shead some light as to why alot of this mail is getting returned? In general terms. Kevin ShimwellLink Brokers Group, LLC ( Support )1600 Hwy 17 SouthNorth Myrtle Beach, SC 29582Phone: 843-663-1004Fax: 843-663-1007Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]24/7 Support http://www.linkbrokers.com/support_ticket.cfmSupport M-F 1-888-546-5631
[Declude.JunkMail] Hijack ALLOWIP
I have recently added an IP in the hijack.cfg file. Mail that comes from this IP still is counted and sent to the hold2 directory. I am running 1.75 with Imail 7.15. Any suggestions? -j --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
Re: [Declude.JunkMail] maxweight/minweight question
on 5/21/04 11:30 AM, Scott Fisher wrote: Can the maxweight / minweight be changed in the middle of a filter? I can't really think of a reason to use it, just curious. maxweight 3 subject 5 contains URGENT REQUEST I don't know, but I'd guess not. I saw your post a few weeks ago about a minweight type feature. I have, in the last week or so, really seen the need for this functionality within Declude especially for stock and nigerian type messages. Maybe we could ask for a minweighttofail command for filters. minweighttofail xx yy xx - the weight the filter must match or exceed yy - the weight to assign the message if it exceeds xx This would allow a filter weight variable that would be different than the total message weight variable. For example - minweighttofail 10 100 subject 5 contains URGENT REQUEST body 10 contains NIGERIAN OIL COMPANY body 5 contains reliable foreigner body 2 contains I am a scammer body 3 contains kiss your money goodbye body 1 contains loser body 6 contains nigerian body 5 contains best stock If any combination of filter lines matched the message and the total of matched line weights was 10 or more the message would get 100 added to it's total weight. The 10 weight would only apply to the internals of this filter and would not be added to the overall weight of the message. If the filter match didn't get a weight of 10 or more, nothing would be added to the overall message weight. Later, Greg --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Hotmail not accept inbound mail?
Incidentally, Hotmail - as of a few day ago - does acknowledge the problem and said they are working on it. I had to tell my server to retry for a day before I could start sending to hotmail again. R -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Colbeck, Andrew Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2004 12:40 PM To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Hotmail not accept inbound mail? I'm seeing 2 things: My default Imail queuing numbers gave too much emphasis on retry threads and frequency. I've lowered them. The same 1/4 of the Hotmail MX hosts are still down this week. I stuffed the responsive ones into my cacheing DNS server in a hotmail.com zone and that alleviated the queue. The next day I checked my Imail log, because I wanted to get rid of that hotmail.com workaround before it bit me, and I found that the remaining 3/4 of the servers still regularly told my server to come back later, refused connection, or dropped the connection. Andrew 8) -Original Message- From: David Lewis-Waller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2004 2:52 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Hotmail not accept inbound mail? This looks like it's an ongoing, long term issue. DNReports MX connection problems. http://www.dnsreport.com/tools/dnsreport.ch?domain=hotmail.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rick Davidson Sent: 11 May 2004 20:29 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Hotmail not accept inbound mail? Yep hotmail is not accepting from us either, I am seeing connection resets from them Rick Davidson National Systems Manager North American Title Group - - Original Message - From: Colbeck, Andrew [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, May 11, 2004 2:44 PM Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] Hotmail not accept inbound mail? --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
Re: [Declude.JunkMail] maxweight/minweight question
Someone else countered with a number of lines failed that sounded interesting. I'll call it MINFAILURES You would only score the filter if the number of matched lines was equal to or exceeded the MINFAILURES value. Scott Fisher Director of IT Farm Progress Companies [EMAIL PROTECTED] 05/21/04 12:22PM on 5/21/04 11:30 AM, Scott Fisher wrote: Can the maxweight / minweight be changed in the middle of a filter? I can't really think of a reason to use it, just curious. maxweight 3 subject 5 contains URGENT REQUEST I don't know, but I'd guess not. I saw your post a few weeks ago about a minweight type feature. I have, in the last week or so, really seen the need for this functionality within Declude especially for stock and nigerian type messages. Maybe we could ask for a minweighttofail command for filters. minweighttofail xx yy xx - the weight the filter must match or exceed yy - the weight to assign the message if it exceeds xx This would allow a filter weight variable that would be different than the total message weight variable. For example - minweighttofail 10 100 subject 5 contains URGENT REQUEST body 10 contains NIGERIAN OIL COMPANY body 5 contains reliable foreigner body 2 contains I am a scammer body 3 contains kiss your money goodbye body 1 contains loser body 6 contains nigerian body 5 contains best stock If any combination of filter lines matched the message and the total of matched line weights was 10 or more the message would get 100 added to it's total weight. The 10 weight would only apply to the internals of this filter and would not be added to the overall weight of the message. If the filter match didn't get a weight of 10 or more, nothing would be added to the overall message weight. Later, Greg --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Hijack ALLOWIP
Did you close Deccon to reset? John Tolmachoff Engineer/Consultant/Owner eServices For You -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:Declude.JunkMail- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jeffrey M Donley Sent: Friday, May 21, 2004 9:02 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] Hijack ALLOWIP I have recently added an IP in the hijack.cfg file. Mail that comes from this IP still is counted and sent to the hold2 directory. I am running 1.75 with Imail 7.15. Any suggestions? -j --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
Re: [Declude.JunkMail] maxweight/minweight question
It does look like the maxweight's can be changed in a filter. test filter: maxweight 5 SUBJECT 5 CONTAINS SCOTTFISHER1 maxweight 10 SUBJECT 10 CONTAINS SCOTTFISHER2 maxweight 5 SUBJECT 15 CONTAINS SCOTTFISHER3 e-mail 1 contained SCOTTFISHER1 and scored 5 e-mail 2 contained SCOTTFISHER2 and scored 10 e-mail 3 contained SCOTTFISHER3 and scored 5 Now is this useful? Scott Fisher Director of IT Farm Progress Companies [EMAIL PROTECTED] 05/21/04 10:30AM Can the maxweight / minweight be changed in the middle of a filter? I can't really think of a reason to use it, just curious. maxweight 3 subject 5 contains URGENT REQUEST maxweight 6 body 10 contains NIGERIAN OIL COMPANY Scott Fisher Director of IT Farm Progress Companies --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Hotmail not accept inbound mail?
I turned off IMail's internal DNS caching in order to avoid situations like this. I don't host that many local accounts, but I haven't seen any build-ups in my spool either time that Hotmail has had issues. My thought is that maybe you cached records in IMail that corespond to the servers that aren't functioning properly? This is one of the reasons why I turned this off at least. Matt Robert Shubert wrote: Incidentally, Hotmail - as of a few day ago - does acknowledge the problem and said they are working on it. I had to tell my server to retry for a day before I could start sending to hotmail again. R -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Colbeck, Andrew Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2004 12:40 PM To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Hotmail not accept inbound mail? I'm seeing 2 things: My default Imail queuing numbers gave too much emphasis on retry threads and frequency. I've lowered them. The same 1/4 of the Hotmail MX hosts are still down this week. I stuffed the responsive ones into my cacheing DNS server in a hotmail.com zone and that alleviated the queue. The next day I checked my Imail log, because I wanted to get rid of that hotmail.com workaround before it bit me, and I found that the remaining 3/4 of the servers still regularly told my server to come back later, refused connection, or dropped the connection. Andrew 8) -Original Message- From: David Lewis-Waller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2004 2:52 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Hotmail not accept inbound mail? This looks like it's an ongoing, long term issue. DNReports MX connection problems. http://www.dnsreport.com/tools/dnsreport.ch?domain=hotmail.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Rick Davidson Sent: 11 May 2004 20:29 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Hotmail not accept inbound mail? Yep hotmail is not accepting from us either, I am seeing connection resets from them Rick Davidson National Systems Manager North American Title Group - - Original Message - From: "Colbeck, Andrew" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, May 11, 2004 2:44 PM Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] Hotmail not accept inbound mail? --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type "unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail". The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type "unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail". The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type "unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail". The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. -- = MailPure custom filters for Declude JunkMail Pro. http://www.mailpure.com/software/ =
RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Hotmail not accept inbound mail?
Is this an option in later version of iMail? We're running 6.06 and I don't recall this anywhere.. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of MattSent: Friday, May 21, 2004 12:58 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Hotmail not accept inbound mail? I turned off IMail's internal DNS caching in order to avoid situations like this. I don't host that many local accounts, but I haven't seen any build-ups in my spool either time that Hotmail has had issues. My thought is that maybe you cached records in IMail that corespond to the servers that aren't functioning properly? This is one of the reasons why I turned this off at least.MattRobert Shubert wrote: Incidentally, Hotmail - as of a few day ago - does acknowledge the problem and said they are working on it. I had to tell my server to retry for a day before I could start sending to hotmail again. R -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Colbeck, Andrew Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2004 12:40 PM To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Hotmail not accept inbound mail? I'm seeing 2 things: My default Imail queuing numbers gave too much emphasis on retry threads and frequency. I've lowered them. The same 1/4 of the Hotmail MX hosts are still down this week. I stuffed the responsive ones into my cacheing DNS server in a hotmail.com zone and that alleviated the queue. The next day I checked my Imail log, because I wanted to get rid of that hotmail.com workaround before it bit me, and I found that the remaining 3/4 of the servers still regularly told my server to come back later, refused connection, or dropped the connection. Andrew 8) -Original Message- From: David Lewis-Waller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2004 2:52 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Hotmail not accept inbound mail? This looks like it's an ongoing, long term issue. DNReports MX connection problems. http://www.dnsreport.com/tools/dnsreport.ch?domain=hotmail.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Rick Davidson Sent: 11 May 2004 20:29 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Hotmail not accept inbound mail? Yep hotmail is not accepting from us either, I am seeing connection resets from them Rick Davidson National Systems Manager North American Title Group - - Original Message - From: "Colbeck, Andrew" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, May 11, 2004 2:44 PM Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] Hotmail not accept inbound mail? --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type "unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail". The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type "unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail". The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type "unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail". The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. -- = MailPure custom filters for Declude JunkMail Pro. http://www.mailpure.com/software/ =
Re: [Declude.JunkMail] maxweight/minweight question
It could be useful. You might use this for instances where you are mixing types or tests in one filter file where scores could be different but multiple hits shouldn't occur. For instance, if you filtered for both an IP address as the HELO and a dashed reverse DNS entry as the HELO in the same filter, you might score the IP higher than the dashed entry, and only one hit should occur, i.e. MAXWEIGHT 8 HELO 8 CONTAINS .20. HELO 8 CONTAINS .21. HELO 8 CONTAINS .22. HELO 8 CONTAINS .23. ... MAXWEIGHT 5 HELO 5 CONTAINS -20- HELO 5 CONTAINS -21- HELO 5 CONTAINS -22- HELO 5 CONTAINS -23- So if a hit for an IP failed the first set of tests, a score of 8 would end the processing of the filter, if no hit occurred, it would move on, adjust the MAXWEIGHT to 5, and possibly hit a dashed IP in the HELO for a lower score. I suppose that this would also work in reverse and it might even be a better design to do it that way because lower scoring false positives are better and I suppose that a HELO could hit both of these (my own personal filter uses END statements to protect from non-IP's in that filter though). It would be more efficient to have the dashed stuff up top though because it hits more often and that would save a modicum of processing power. Matt Scott Fisher wrote: It does look like the maxweight's can be changed in a filter. test filter: maxweight 5 SUBJECT 5 CONTAINS SCOTTFISHER1 maxweight 10 SUBJECT 10 CONTAINS SCOTTFISHER2 maxweight 5 SUBJECT 15 CONTAINS SCOTTFISHER3 e-mail 1 contained SCOTTFISHER1 and scored 5 e-mail 2 contained SCOTTFISHER2 and scored 10 e-mail 3 contained SCOTTFISHER3 and scored 5 Now is this useful? Scott Fisher Director of IT Farm Progress Companies [EMAIL PROTECTED] 05/21/04 10:30AM Can the maxweight / minweight be changed in the middle of a filter? I can't really think of a reason to use it, just curious. maxweight 3 subject 5 contains URGENT REQUEST maxweight 6 body 10 contains NIGERIAN OIL COMPANY Scott Fisher Director of IT Farm Progress Companies --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type "unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail". The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type "unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail". The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. -- = MailPure custom filters for Declude JunkMail Pro. http://www.mailpure.com/software/ =
Re: [Declude.JunkMail] maxweight/minweight question
on 5/21/04 1:57 PM, Scott Fisher wrote: Someone else countered with a number of lines failed that sounded interesting. I'll call it MINFAILURES You would only score the filter if the number of matched lines was equal to or exceeded the MINFAILURES value. I believe my version is more flexible though (from what I remember). To make my suggestion act like that previously mentioned example you could minweighttofail 3 100 subject 1 contains URGENT REQUEST body 1 contains NIGERIAN OIL COMPANY body 1 contains reliable foreigner body 1 contains I am a scammer body 1 contains kiss your money goodbye body 1 contains loser body 1 contains nigerian body 1 contains best stock which would be triggered by 3 or more line matches or you could assign individual weights like my example minweighttofail 10 100 subject 5 contains URGENT REQUEST body 10 contains NIGERIAN OIL COMPANY body 5 contains reliable foreigner body 2 contains I am a scammer body 3 contains kiss your money goodbye body 1 contains loser body 6 contains nigerian body 5 contains best stock so that no matter which way you preferred, by line match or by weight match, the same command would work for both. Later, Greg --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
Re: [Declude.JunkMail] maxweight/minweight question
I think you could actually do that now with a kludge :) Let's say that you only wanted to give a score of 4 to 10 points...or a score of 0 points. MAXWEIGHT 10 SUBJECT 1 CONTAINS URGENT REQUEST BODY 1 CONTAINS NIGERIAN OIL COMPANY BODY 1 CONTAINS reliable foreigner BODY 1 CONTAINS I am a scammer BODY 1 CONTAINS kiss your money goodbye BODY 1 CONTAINS loser BODY 1 CONTAINS nigerian BODY 1 CONTAINS best stock BODY 1 CONTAINS I am an exile BODY 1 CONTAINS transfer money to my bank MAXWEIGHT 9 MAXWEIGHT 8 MAXWEIGHT 7 MAXWEIGHT 6 MAXWEIGHT 5 MAXWEIGHT 4 MINWEIGHT 0 REMOTEIP -1 CONTAINS . REMOTEIP -1 CONTAINS . REMOTEIP -1 CONTAINS . The trick of stepping down the MAXWEIGHT would cause the filter to stop processing with the current score if it was 4 or more points. Then by switching to MINWEIGHT, you would subtract any possible points between 1 and 3 by using a filter that always hits, my favorite is checking for a dot in the REMOTEIP which is always there unless you IPBYPASS all hops (a configuration error generally). You could also work this out to only give either 10 points on 3 or more failures or 0 points otherwise by changing around the filter. Matt System Administrator wrote: on 5/21/04 1:57 PM, Scott Fisher wrote: Someone else countered with a number of lines failed that sounded interesting. I'll call it MINFAILURES You would only score the filter if the number of matched lines was equal to or exceeded the MINFAILURES value. I believe my version is more flexible though (from what I remember). To make my suggestion act like that previously mentioned example you could minweighttofail 3 100 subject 1 contains URGENT REQUEST body 1 contains NIGERIAN OIL COMPANY body 1 contains reliable foreigner body 1 contains I am a scammer body 1 contains kiss your money goodbye body 1 contains loser body 1 contains nigerian body 1 contains best stock which would be triggered by 3 or more line matches or you could assign individual weights like my example minweighttofail 10 100 subject 5 contains URGENT REQUEST body 10 contains NIGERIAN OIL COMPANY body 5 contains reliable foreigner body 2 contains I am a scammer body 3 contains kiss your money goodbye body 1 contains loser body 6 contains nigerian body 5 contains best stock so that no matter which way you preferred, by line match or by weight match, the same command would work for both. Later, Greg --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type "unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail". The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. -- = MailPure custom filters for Declude JunkMail Pro. http://www.mailpure.com/software/ =
RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Hijack ALLOWIP
No I did not. I did now and all seems to be working. I got a little confused on the config and was thinking it was on the fly. Thanks -j -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Tolmachoff (Lists) Sent: Friday, May 21, 2004 1:56 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Hijack ALLOWIP Did you close Deccon to reset? John Tolmachoff Engineer/Consultant/Owner eServices For You -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:Declude.JunkMail- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jeffrey M Donley Sent: Friday, May 21, 2004 9:02 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] Hijack ALLOWIP I have recently added an IP in the hijack.cfg file. Mail that comes from this IP still is counted and sent to the hold2 directory. I am running 1.75 with Imail 7.15. Any suggestions? -j --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Hotmail not accept inbound mail?
Title: Message Interestingly enough, cacheing isn't the problem on our IMail side. Microsoft has not removed the unresponsive hosts from their MX records despite the problem persisting over a week and thosehosts never responding. IfMicrosoft had changed their DNS, cacheing would be an issue. Also, MSN addresees would have the same queuing problem. The MX records for the MSN domain(s) point to the Hotmail servers. Since the problem was particularly bad for us, we've put the dummy zone back in our mail server's local DNS, with the 12,correction, 9out of 16 hosts that do respond to us. And no, I won't share which 9 hosts with the mailing list, as I'm sure your subset of hotmail servers would be different from mine, and these messages are archived on the web for future admins to stumble over. If you really need to do this too, look at the mail hosts and spend some time searching for those IP addresses in your sys0521.txt log, but don't forget to check later and remove your dummy zone when Hotmail returns to normal service. Andrew 8) -Original Message-From: Matt [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, May 21, 2004 10:58 AMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Hotmail not accept inbound mail?I turned off IMail's internal DNS caching in order to avoid situations like this. I don't host that many local accounts, but I haven't seen any build-ups in my spool either time that Hotmail has had issues. My thought is that maybe you cached records in IMail that corespond to the servers that aren't functioning properly? This is one of the reasons why I turned this off at least.MattRobert Shubert wrote: Incidentally, Hotmail - as of a few day ago - does acknowledge the problem and said they are working on it. I had to tell my server to retry for a day before I could start sending to hotmail again. R -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Colbeck, Andrew Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2004 12:40 PM To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Hotmail not accept inbound mail? I'm seeing 2 things: My default Imail queuing numbers gave too much emphasis on retry threads and frequency. I've lowered them. The same 1/4 of the Hotmail MX hosts are still down this week. I stuffed the responsive ones into my cacheing DNS server in a hotmail.com zone and that alleviated the queue. The next day I checked my Imail log, because I wanted to get rid of that hotmail.com workaround before it bit me, and I found that the remaining 3/4 of the servers still regularly told my server to come back later, refused connection, or dropped the connection. Andrew 8) -Original Message- From: David Lewis-Waller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2004 2:52 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Hotmail not accept inbound mail? This looks like it's an ongoing, long term issue. DNReports MX connection problems. http://www.dnsreport.com/tools/dnsreport.ch?domain=hotmail.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Rick Davidson Sent: 11 May 2004 20:29 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Hotmail not accept inbound mail? Yep hotmail is not accepting from us either, I am seeing connection resets from them Rick Davidson National Systems Manager North American Title Group - - Original Message - From: "Colbeck, Andrew" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, May 11, 2004 2:44 PM Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] Hotmail not accept inbound mail? --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type "unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail". The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type "unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail". The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type "unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail". The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. -- = MailPure custom filters for Declude JunkMail Pro. http://www.mailpure.com/software/ =
Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Hotmail not accept inbound mail?
I also turned off "Failed Domain Skipping" for the same reasons, but I don't believe that I had any issues besides temporary delays causing confusion when helping clients get their servers back online after failures. I figure that with all the processing power that goes into spam and virus blocking, caching and failed domain skipping aren't but 0.1% of the utilization and it's likely safer to turn them off. Who knows. Matt Colbeck, Andrew wrote: Message Interestingly enough, cacheing isn't the problem on our IMail side. Microsoft has not removed the unresponsive hosts from their MX records despite the problem persisting over a week and thosehosts never responding. IfMicrosoft had changed their DNS, cacheing would be an issue. Also, MSN addresees would have the same queuing problem. The MX records for the MSN domain(s) point to the Hotmail servers. Since the problem was particularly bad for us, we've put the dummy zone back in our mail server's local DNS, with the 12,correction, 9out of 16 hosts that do respond to us. And no, I won't share which 9 hosts with the mailing list, as I'm sure your subset of hotmail servers would be different from mine, and these messages are archived on the web for future admins to stumble over. If you really need to do this too, look at the mail hosts and spend some time searching for those IP addresses in your sys0521.txt log, but don't forget to check later and remove your dummy zone when Hotmail returns to normal service. Andrew 8) -Original Message- From: Matt [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, May 21, 2004 10:58 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Hotmail not accept inbound mail? I turned off IMail's internal DNS caching in order to avoid situations like this. I don't host that many local accounts, but I haven't seen any build-ups in my spool either time that Hotmail has had issues. My thought is that maybe you cached records in IMail that corespond to the servers that aren't functioning properly? This is one of the reasons why I turned this off at least. Matt Robert Shubert wrote: Incidentally, Hotmail - as of a few day ago - does acknowledge the problem and said they are working on it. I had to tell my server to retry for a day before I could start sending to hotmail again. R -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Colbeck, Andrew Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2004 12:40 PM To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Hotmail not accept inbound mail? I'm seeing 2 things: My default Imail queuing numbers gave too much emphasis on retry threads and frequency. I've lowered them. The same 1/4 of the Hotmail MX hosts are still down this week. I stuffed the responsive ones into my cacheing DNS server in a hotmail.com zone and that alleviated the queue. The next day I checked my Imail log, because I wanted to get rid of that hotmail.com workaround before it bit me, and I found that the remaining 3/4 of the servers still regularly told my server to come back later, refused connection, or dropped the connection. Andrew 8) -Original Message- From: David Lewis-Waller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2004 2:52 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Hotmail not accept inbound mail? This looks like it's an ongoing, long term issue. DNReports MX connection problems. http://www.dnsreport.com/tools/dnsreport.ch?domain=hotmail.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Rick Davidson Sent: 11 May 2004 20:29 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Hotmail not accept inbound mail? Yep hotmail is not accepting from us either, I am seeing connection resets from them Rick Davidson National Systems Manager North American Title Group - - Original Message - From: "Colbeck, Andrew" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, May 11, 2004 2:44 PM Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] Hotmail not accept inbound mail? --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type "unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail". The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type "unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail". The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type
