Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Calling an Executable - evaluating in multiple tests

2005-01-10 Thread R. Scott Perry

SNIFFER  external  nonzero sniffer.exe authcode 1 0
SNIFFER-SCAMS  external  053 sniffer.exe authcode 2 0
SNIFFER-PORN external  054 sniffer.exe authcode 2 0
SNIFFER-MALWARE external  055 sniffer.exe authcode 3 0
SNIFFER-OBFUSC  external  062 sniffer.exe authcode 2 0
Actually, this should work fine.  Declude JunkMail checks to see that the 
command line is the same (the sniffer.exe authcode, which is the same in 
all the above lines), and if so, it only runs the test if it has not yet 
been run (or if it has, it uses the exit code from when it was 
run).  Declude JunkMail then handles the weights.

So in this case, if Message Sniffer returned an exit code of anything 
except 0, the SNIFFER test would be triggered.  If it returned 53, both the 
SNIFFER test and the SNIFFER-SCAMS test would be triggered.

It should work in the same way as having multiple ip4r tests, one of which 
looks for * and others which look for specific return IPs.

   -Scott
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RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Calling an Executable - evaluating in multiple tests

2005-01-10 Thread Dan Horne
FWIW, we use the Sniffer tests in this way.  We assign 2/3 our hold weight
to SNIFFER nonzero, then if it also fails the porn, scams, malware tests it
gets the other third. 

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 SNIFFER  external  nonzero sniffer.exe authcode 1 0

 SNIFFER-SCAMS  external  053 sniffer.exe authcode 2 0
 SNIFFER-PORN external  054 sniffer.exe authcode 2 0
 SNIFFER-MALWARE external  055 sniffer.exe authcode 3 0
 SNIFFER-OBFUSC  external  062 sniffer.exe authcode 2 0

Actually, this should work fine.  Declude JunkMail checks to see that the
command line is the same (the sniffer.exe authcode, which is the same in
all the above lines), and if so, it only runs the test if it has not yet
been run (or if it has, it uses the exit code from when it was run).
Declude JunkMail then handles the weights.

So in this case, if Message Sniffer returned an exit code of anything except
0, the SNIFFER test would be triggered.  If it returned 53, both the SNIFFER
test and the SNIFFER-SCAMS test would be triggered.

It should work in the same way as having multiple ip4r tests, one of which
looks for * and others which look for specific return IPs.

-Scott
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RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Calling an Executable - evaluating in multiple tests

2005-01-10 Thread Andy Schmidt
Thanks everyone who responded on and off-list.  Yes, log files, headers -
everything indicates that Declude functions as designed.

Since I was un-categorically told that this was as mis-configuration and
subject to Delude's error handling, I felt I better double-check my
knowledge how Declude was designed to work. Sorry for the false alarm.


Best Regards
Andy Schmidt

Phone:  +1 201 934-3414 x20 (Business)
Fax:+1 201 934-9206 



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FWIW, we use the Sniffer tests in this way.  We assign 2/3 our hold weight
to SNIFFER nonzero, then if it also fails the porn, scams, malware tests it
gets the other third. 

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[Declude.JunkMail] Calling an Executable - evaluating in multiple tests

2005-01-09 Thread Andy Schmidt
Title: Message



Hi 
Scott:

My config file 
has:

 
SNIFFER external nonzero "sniffer.exe authcode" 1 
0

 
SNIFFER-SCAMS external 053 "sniffer.exe authcode" 2 
0 SNIFFER-PORN external 054 "sniffer.exe authcode" 2 
0 SNIFFER-MALWARE external 055 "sniffer.exe 
authcode" 3 0 SNIFFER-OBFUSC external 062 
"sniffer.exe authcode" 2 0

I had someone 
contact me regarding these lines, stating:

"Everything points to your current config which is 
definitely non-standard" and
" it does represent a misconfiguration, and 
how it behaves is reliant on the error handling within Declude. You can't 
set a test to "nonzero" and also to specific result codes and assume that it 
will be handled appropriately. The "nonzero" config trumps the others, and 
there has never been any indication that things will be handled appropriately 
when you add more result codes with the same config."
Although my mail 
headers and stats show that these lines function exactly as intended - I want to 
avoid dismissing someone who simply may have more insight than me. Please 
advise, if my config is indeed a MISconfiguration as this party is stating to 
categorically, and if I cannot set a test to "nonzero" and also to specific 
results codes.
Best 
RegardsAndy SchmidtPhone: +1 201 934-3414 x20 
(Business)Fax: +1 201 934-9206 



Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Calling an Executable - evaluating in multiple tests

2005-01-09 Thread Matt
Title: Message




If you are going to quote me, please do so without editing:

If you aren't getting +95% hit rates on Sniffer, then
something is
wrong, and everything points to your current config which is definitely
non-standard.
  
I pointed out the config issues because it does represent a
misconfiguration, and how it behaves is reliant on the error handling
within Declude. You can't set a test to "nonzero" and also to specific
result codes and assume that it will be handled appropriately. The
"nonzero" config trumps the others, and there has never been any
indication that things will be handled appropriately when you add more
result codes with the same config.
  

Matt



Andy Schmidt wrote:

  
  
  
  Hi
Scott:
  
  My
config file has:
  
  
SNIFFER external nonzero "sniffer.exe authcode" 1 0
  
  
SNIFFER-SCAMS external 053 "sniffer.exe authcode" 2 0
 SNIFFER-PORN external 054 "sniffer.exe authcode" 2 0
 SNIFFER-MALWARE external 055 "sniffer.exe authcode" 3 0
 SNIFFER-OBFUSC external 062 "sniffer.exe authcode" 2 0
  
  I
had someone contact me regarding these lines, stating:
  
  "Everything points to your current
config which is definitely non-standard" and
  " it does represent a
misconfiguration, and how it behaves is reliant on the error handling
within Declude. You can't set a test to "nonzero" and also to specific
result codes and assume that it will be handled appropriately. The
"nonzero" config trumps the others, and there has never been any
indication that things will be handled appropriately when you add more
result codes with the same config."
  
  Although
my mail headers and stats show that these lines function exactly as
intended - I want to avoid dismissing someone who simply may have more
insight than me. Please advise, if my config is indeed a
MISconfiguration as this party is stating to categorically, and if I
cannot set a test to "nonzero" and also to specific results codes.
  
  Best Regards
  Andy Schmidt
  
  Phone: +1 201 934-3414 x20
(Business)
Fax: +1 201 934-9206 
  


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RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Calling an Executable - evaluating in multiple tests

2005-01-09 Thread John Tolmachoff \(Lists\)
Title: Message









Andy, why is every thread you start on
here saying the message is personal?





John Tolmachoff

Engineer/Consultant/Owner

eServices For You







-Original Message-
From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Andy Schmidt
Sent: Sunday, January
 09, 2005 8:15 PM
To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com
Subject: [Declude.JunkMail]
Calling an Executable - evaluating in multiple tests
Sensitivity: Personal





Hi Scott:











My config file has:











 SNIFFER external nonzero
sniffer.exe authcode 1 0











 SNIFFER-SCAMS external 053
sniffer.exe authcode 2 0
 SNIFFER-PORN external 054 sniffer.exe
authcode 2 0
 SNIFFER-MALWARE external 055 sniffer.exe
authcode 3 0
 SNIFFER-OBFUSC external 062 sniffer.exe
authcode 2 0











I had someone contact me regarding these lines, stating:











Everything points to your current config
which is definitely non-standard and





 it does represent a misconfiguration, and how it behaves is
reliant on the error handling within Declude. You can't set a test to
nonzero and also to specific result codes and assume that it will
be handled appropriately. The nonzero config trumps the
others, and there has never been any indication that things will be handled
appropriately when you add more result codes with the same config.





Although my mail headers and stats show that these lines
function exactly as intended - I want to avoid dismissing someone who simply
may have more insight than me. Please advise, if my config is indeed a
MISconfiguration as this party is stating to categorically, and if I cannot set
a test to nonzero and also to specific results codes.





Best Regards
Andy Schmidt

Phone: +1 201 934-3414 x20 (Business)
Fax: +1 201 934-9206 
















RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Calling an Executable - evaluating in multiple tests

2005-01-09 Thread Andy Schmidt
Title: Message



Hm... good point. Let me check my Outlook defaults. 


It 
clearly makes no sense to use that flag when posting to a 
newsgroup...

Is 
this causing problems?
Best 
RegardsAndy SchmidtPhone: +1 201 934-3414 x20 
(Business)Fax: +1 201 934-9206 

  
  -Original Message-From: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  On Behalf Of John Tolmachoff (Lists)Sent: Monday, January 
  10, 2005 12:11 AMTo: 
  Declude.JunkMail@declude.comSubject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Calling 
  an Executable - evaluating in multiple testsSensitivity: 
  Personal
  
  Andy, why is every 
  thread you start on here saying the message is personal?
  
  
  John 
  Tolmachoff
  Engineer/Consultant/Owner
  eServices For 
  You
  
  
  -Original 
  Message-From: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  On Behalf Of Andy 
  SchmidtSent: 
  Sunday, January 09, 
  2005 8:15 
  PMTo: 
  Declude.JunkMail@declude.comSubject: [Declude.JunkMail] Calling an 
  Executable - evaluating in multiple testsSensitivity: Personal
  
  
  Hi Scott:
  
  
  
  My config file 
  has:
  
  
  
   SNIFFER 
  external nonzero "sniffer.exe authcode" 1 0
  
  
  
   
  SNIFFER-SCAMS external 053 "sniffer.exe authcode" 2 
  0 SNIFFER-PORN external 054 "sniffer.exe authcode" 
  2 0 SNIFFER-MALWARE external 055 "sniffer.exe 
  authcode" 3 0 SNIFFER-OBFUSC external 062 
  "sniffer.exe authcode" 2 0
  
  
  
  I had someone contact me regarding 
  these lines, stating:
  
  
  
  "Everything points 
  to your current config which is definitely non-standard" and
  
  " it does represent a misconfiguration, and how it 
  behaves is reliant on the error handling within Declude. You can't set a 
  test to "nonzero" and also to specific result codes and assume that it will be 
  handled appropriately. The "nonzero" config trumps the others, and there 
  has never been any indication that things will be handled appropriately when 
  you add more result codes with the same config."
  
  Although my mail headers and stats 
  show that these lines function exactly as intended - I want to avoid 
  dismissing someone who simply may have more insight than me. Please 
  advise, if my config is indeed a MISconfiguration as this party is stating to 
  categorically, and if I cannot set a test to "nonzero" and also to specific 
  results codes.
  
  Best 
  RegardsAndy 
  SchmidtPhone: +1 201 
  934-3414 x20 (Business)Fax: +1 201 
  934-9206