Re[2]: [Declude.JunkMail] Happy days are here again...
and don't tell me you wouldn't do the same... That's a curious sentiment to post on an anti-spam list! I'd have hoped everyone here believes we should be regulated by ethics as well as statutes. Otherwise, why aren't we spamming for a living? As the three-way rubber-stamping between DoC, ICANN, and V$ has taken its many sickening turns over the years, I have never for one moment empathized with their mixture of collusion, bumbling, price gouging, and lies. Sucked it up, yes. But no, I wouldn't do the same. If that prevents us from becoming an 800-pound gorilla, fine; at least I can sleep at night. I don't think that's so yesterday. -Sandy Sanford Whiteman, Chief Technologist Broadleaf Systems, a division of Cypress Integrated Systems, Inc. e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
Re: Re[2]: [Declude.JunkMail] Happy days are here again...
Frankly, i applaud your sense of duty and moral fortitude and character, it is very lacking in business today... that is all i was trying to say , my point was that although it's a sad truth about the world we live in, and it ain't getting any better most big corporations put their bottomline before anything... case in point, Worldcom , Enron etc. etc. to name a few get my drift? As far as anti-spam sentiments go... i'm just being realistic about this war we are waging i ( among others) challenged everyone to pull together and beat them at their own game rather than admitting defeat are you saying they are smarter than us... i find that hard to believe just my 2 cents worth. :) - Original Message - From: Sanford Whiteman [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Webmaster Oilfield Directory [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, October 06, 2003 6:13 PM Subject: Re[2]: [Declude.JunkMail] Happy days are here again... That's a curious sentiment to post on an anti-spam list! I'd have hoped everyone here believes we should be regulated by ethics as well as statutes. Otherwise, why aren't we spamming for a living? As the three-way rubber-stamping between DoC, ICANN, and V$ has taken its many sickening turns over the years, I have never for one moment empathized with their mixture of collusion, bumbling, price gouging, and lies. Sucked it up, yes. But no, I wouldn't do the same. If that prevents us from becoming an 800-pound gorilla, fine; at least I can sleep at night. I don't think that's so yesterday. -Sandy Sanford Whiteman, Chief Technologist Broadleaf Systems, a division of Cypress Integrated Systems, Inc. e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
Re[4]: [Declude.JunkMail] Happy days are here again...
most big corporations put their bottomline before anything... case in point, Worldcom , Enron etc. etc. to name a few get my drift? Those are cases of high-dollar abuse, and of course there are thousands of smaller-time abuses going on all the time. My disagreement was with your idea that *anyone* could/would do the same if the money were right. Just because evil is a constant doesn't mean it's universal (I hope). -Sandy Sanford Whiteman, Chief Technologist Broadleaf Systems, a division of Cypress Integrated Systems, Inc. e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Happy days are here again...
Don't hold your breath, though. ICANN has a way of spinning things, so it looks like they are doing the right thing. A good recent example is WLS. They initially came out against WLS, but later and in spite of overwhelming opposition from the Internet Community and contrary to the recommendation of their own committee and the GNSO, they approved it. At the end of the day with ICANN, right, wrong, the best interests of competition and the Internet Community, just aren't a factor in their decisions. V$ writes them big checks and takes good care of the BoD and staff. Follow the money and you'll see the truth through the smoke screen they and V$ spin. It is a disgusting reality, which NATIA and the DoC ignore. It will take Congress to fix it and that won't happen until it is made into a political issue. Thanks, Friday, October 3, 2003, 2:12:05 PM, Joshua Levitsky [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: JL I could not be happier... JL http://www.icann.org/correspondence/twomey-to-lewis-03oct03.htm JL -- JL Joshua Levitsky, CISSP, MCSE JL System Engineer JL AOL Time Warner JL [5957 F27C 9C71 E9A7 274A 0447 C9B9 75A4 9B41 D4D1] JL --- JL [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] JL --- JL This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To JL unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and JL type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found JL at http://www.mail-archive.com. Don Brown - Dallas, Texas USA Internet Concepts, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.inetconcepts.net PGP Key ID: 04C99A55 (972) 788-2364 Fax: (972) 788-5049 Providing Internet Solutions Worldwide - An eDataWeb Affiliate --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Happy days are here again...
Finally someone is cutting thru the Bull and not afraid to tell it as it really is. money talks BS walks. that is the REALITY in the business world today. and don't tell me you wouldn't do the same the bottomline is that matters to people if they can be poliitcally correct and make lots of $$$ so much the better but at the end of the day that $$$ is all that matters. take it or leave it - Original Message - From: Don Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Joshua Levitsky [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, October 04, 2003 5:19 AM Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Happy days are here again... Don't hold your breath, though. ICANN has a way of spinning things, so it looks like they are doing the right thing. A good recent example is WLS. They initially came out against WLS, but later and in spite of overwhelming opposition from the Internet Community and contrary to the recommendation of their own committee and the GNSO, they approved it. At the end of the day with ICANN, right, wrong, the best interests of competition and the Internet Community, just aren't a factor in their decisions. V$ writes them big checks and takes good care of the BoD and staff. Follow the money and you'll see the truth through the smoke screen they and V$ spin. It is a disgusting reality, which NATIA and the DoC ignore. It will take Congress to fix it and that won't happen until it is made into a political issue. Thanks, Friday, October 3, 2003, 2:12:05 PM, Joshua Levitsky [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: JL I could not be happier... JL http://www.icann.org/correspondence/twomey-to-lewis-03oct03.htm JL -- JL Joshua Levitsky, CISSP, MCSE JL System Engineer JL AOL Time Warner JL [5957 F27C 9C71 E9A7 274A 0447 C9B9 75A4 9B41 D4D1] JL --- JL [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] JL --- JL This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To JL unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and JL type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found JL at http://www.mail-archive.com. Don Brown - Dallas, Texas USA Internet Concepts, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.inetconcepts.net PGP Key ID: 04C99A55 (972) 788-2364 Fax: (972) 788-5049 Providing Internet Solutions Worldwide - An eDataWeb Affiliate --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Happy days are here again...
So as of Monday are we going to have a new organization running the .com / .net TLDs? lol It's about time Buh Bye Verislime Jason - Original Message - From: Joshua Levitsky [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 03, 2003 2:12 PM Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] Happy days are here again... I could not be happier... http://www.icann.org/correspondence/twomey-to-lewis-03oct03.htm -- Joshua Levitsky, CISSP, MCSE System Engineer AOL Time Warner [5957 F27C 9C71 E9A7 274A 0447 C9B9 75A4 9B41 D4D1] --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Happy days are here again...
So they don't have to pay for all registrations? I don't understand this. Todd Holt Xidix Technologies, Inc Las Vegas, NV USA www.xidix.com 702.319.4349 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:Declude.JunkMail- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Matthew Bramble Sent: Friday, October 03, 2003 2:54 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Happy days are here again... Todd Holt wrote: IMHO, ICANN should send a bill to VeriSlime for the registration of all combinations which could be caught by the wildcard. Does anyone know the maximum length of a domain name, how many different characters can be used in a domain name (a-z,A-Z,0-9,_,-,...), how many .com and .net domain names are currently registered and how much VeriSlime pays for each domain registration? I believe that since something like 256 characters are now allowed in domain names, 64 different standard characters allowed, and since there are around 40 million .com and .net addresses currently registered, that would equate to (2 x 64^256) - 40,000,000, or approximately... 270,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000, 00 0,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,00 0, 000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000, 00 0,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,00 0, 000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000, 00 0,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,00 0, 000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000, 00 0,000,000,000,000,000,,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,0 00 ,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 ,0 00,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 This doesn't include the high-bit characters though :) BTW, payments to ICANN are only proportional to total registrations, and totals less than $3 million a year across 100% of registrations. So in effect, this would cost them little extra if they were to be charged. Matt --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Happy days are here again...
Umm, I think you missed a zero somewhere... ;-) Bill - Original Message - From: Matthew Bramble [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 03, 2003 2:54 PM Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Happy days are here again... Todd Holt wrote: IMHO, ICANN should send a bill to VeriSlime for the registration of all combinations which could be caught by the wildcard. Does anyone know the maximum length of a domain name, how many different characters can be used in a domain name (a-z,A-Z,0-9,_,-,...), how many .com and .net domain names are currently registered and how much VeriSlime pays for each domain registration? I believe that since something like 256 characters are now allowed in domain names, 64 different standard characters allowed, and since there are around 40 million .com and .net addresses currently registered, that would equate to (2 x 64^256) - 40,000,000, or approximately... 270,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000, 000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000, 000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000, 000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000, 000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000, 000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000, 000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000, 000,000,,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 ,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 ,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 This doesn't include the high-bit characters though :) BTW, payments to ICANN are only proportional to total registrations, and totals less than $3 million a year across 100% of registrations. So in effect, this would cost them little extra if they were to be charged. Matt --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Happy days are here again...
ICANN is just there to oversee the workings of the industry and they're not in it for profit. They charge registrars a fee based on the percentage of the number of registrations they are responsible for, and the total collected from all registrars is a number related only to organizational costs. VeriSign pays something like and additional $250,000 a year to ICANN for maintaining the .com and .net registries, however they collect $6 for each .com and .net domain name registered for their operating costs (and profit). While technically they pay themselves this $6 figure for registrations, it is only on paper for accounting purposes and no money changes hands (assuming that they track the transactions). Matt Todd Holt wrote: So they don't have to pay for all registrations? I don't understand this. Todd Holt Xidix Technologies, Inc Las Vegas, NV USA www.xidix.com 702.319.4349 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:Declude.JunkMail- [EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Matthew Bramble Sent: Friday, October 03, 2003 2:54 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Happy days are here again... Todd Holt wrote: IMHO, ICANN should send a bill to VeriSlime for the registration of all combinations which could be caught by the wildcard. Does anyone know the maximum length of a domain name, how many different characters can be used in a domain name (a-z,A-Z,0-9,_,-,...), how many .com and .net domain names are currently registered and how much VeriSlime pays for each domain registration? I believe that since something like 256 characters are now allowed in domain names, 64 different standard characters allowed, and since there are around 40 million .com and .net addresses currently registered, that would equate to (2 x 64^256) - 40,000,000, or approximately... 270,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000, 00 0,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,00 0, 000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000, 00 0,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,00 0, 000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000, 00 0,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,00 0, 000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000, 00 0,000,000,000,000,000,,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,0 00 ,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 ,0 00,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 This doesn't include the high-bit characters though :) BTW, payments to ICANN are only proportional to total registrations, and totals less than $3 million a year across 100% of registrations. So in effect, this would cost them little extra if they were to be charged. Matt
Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Happy days are here again...
FrontPage of the Washington Post. VeriSign Freezes Search Service http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A40241-2003Oct3.html - Original Message - From: Joshua Levitsky [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 03, 2003 3:12 PM Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] Happy days are here again... I could not be happier... http://www.icann.org/correspondence/twomey-to-lewis-03oct03.htm -- Joshua Levitsky, CISSP, MCSE System Engineer AOL Time Warner [5957 F27C 9C71 E9A7 274A 0447 C9B9 75A4 9B41 D4D1] --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Happy days are here again...
So, ICANN comes up with a figure that is equal to the cost of maintaining the internet for a year and each registrar pays a percentage of that figure based on the percentage of all registrations that they manage? If this is true, then The wildcard in effect makes them customers of the registrantby registering each of the 40,000,000,000+ domains. This would make the total number of registered of domains increase to a staggering number. And VeriSlime would be managing 99.9% of those domains. They would effectively pay the entire bill for running the internet! I like it!!! J Butanother question Why should we pay a fixed amount each year to the registrants if they dont pay a fixed amount? This sounds pretty hokey to me! (No offense to VTech fans!) I thought that a fixed amount of our payments were going to the internet infrastructure improvements. Silly me! Todd Holt Xidix Technologies, Inc Las Vegas, NV USA www.xidix.com 702.319.4349 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Matthew Bramble Sent: Friday, October 03, 2003 3:28 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Happy days are here again... ICANN is just there to oversee the workings of the industry and they're not in it for profit. They charge registrars a fee based on the percentage of the number of registrations they are responsible for, and the total collected from all registrars is a number related only to organizational costs. VeriSign pays something like and additional $250,000 a year to ICANN for maintaining the .com and .net registries, however they collect $6 for each .com and .net domain name registered for their operating costs (and profit). While technically they pay themselves this $6 figure for registrations, it is only on paper for accounting purposes and no money changes hands (assuming that they track the transactions). Matt Todd Holt wrote: So they don't have to pay for all registrations? I don't understandthis. Todd HoltXidix Technologies, IncLas Vegas, NV USAwww.xidix.com702.319.4349 -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:Declude.JunkMail-[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Matthew BrambleSent: Friday, October 03, 2003 2:54 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Happy days are here again...Todd Holt wrote: IMHO, ICANN should send a bill to VeriSlime for the registration of all combinations which could be caught by the wildcard. Does anyone knowthe maximum length of a domain name, how many different characters can be used in a domain name (a-z,A-Z,0-9,_,-,...), how many .com and .net domain names are currently registered and how much VeriSlime pays foreach domain registration? I believe that since something like 256 characters are now allowed indomain names, 64 different standard characters allowed, and since there are around 40 million .com and .net addresses currently registered, that would equate to (2 x 64^256) - 40,000,000, or approximately... 270,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,00 0,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000, 000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,00 0,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000, 000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,00 0,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000, 000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,00 0,000,000,000,000,000,,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 ,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,0 00,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000This doesn't include the high-bit characters though :)BTW, payments to ICANN are only proportional to total registrations, and totals less than $3 million a year across 100% of registrations. So in effect, this would cost them little extra if they were to be charged.Matt
Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Happy days are here again...
Todd Holt wrote: So, ICANN comes up with a figure that is equal to the cost of maintaining the internet for a year and each registrar pays a percentage of that figure based on the percentage of all registrations that they manage? Exactly. If this is true, then The wildcard in effect makes them customers of the registrantby registering each of the 40,000,000,000+ domains. This would make the total number of registered of domains increase to a staggering number. And VeriSlime would be managing 99.9% of those domains. They would effectively pay the entire bill for running the internet! I like it!!! J The only problem with this is that the total bill only amounts to about $3 million a year :( Butanother question Why should we pay a fixed amount each year to the registrants if they dont pay a fixed amount? This sounds pretty hokey to me! (No offense to VTech fans!) I thought that a fixed amount of our payments were going to the internet infrastructure improvements. Silly me! Well, VeriSign is the one that actually maintains the majority of the registry's infrastructure for .com and .net (.org just began a transfer yesterday to a new organization). The $6 fee that they are charging is about $5 above the initial suggested compensation at ICANN, but after a year and a half of blocking by VeriSign, even claiming ownership of the namespaces, the corporate entities at ICANN caved to their demands and set them up with this sweetheart deal...and then a year or so ago they renewed it with the only change being giving up the .org registry. It shouldn't cost that much to maintain a registry with 30 million domains ($180 million a year). ICANN should find a replacement organization, preferably a nonprofit, to take over operations, insist that the price be dropped to $1 per domain, and use this flagrant violation as proof of breech of contract instead of waiting another 4 years or so until the current deal has expired. The only problem with all of this is that there are few organizations with the knowledge base and infrastructure that can take on a task like this. Personally, I would vote for Tucows to take this over based on their fine character, but they would need a large cash infusion to pull it off. Matt