Re[2]: [Declude.JunkMail] Happy days are here again...

2003-10-06 Thread Sanford Whiteman
 and don't tell me you wouldn't do the same...

That's  a  curious  sentiment  to  post on an anti-spam list! I'd have
hoped  everyone here believes we should be regulated by ethics as well
as statutes. Otherwise, why aren't we spamming for a living?

As  the three-way rubber-stamping between DoC, ICANN, and V$ has taken
its  many  sickening turns over the years, I have never for one moment
empathized  with  their mixture of collusion, bumbling, price gouging,
and  lies.  Sucked it up, yes. But no, I wouldn't do the same. If that
prevents  us  from becoming an 800-pound gorilla, fine; at least I can
sleep at night. I don't think that's so yesterday.

-Sandy



Sanford Whiteman, Chief Technologist
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Cypress Integrated Systems, Inc.
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Re: Re[2]: [Declude.JunkMail] Happy days are here again...

2003-10-06 Thread Webmaster Oilfield Directory
Frankly, i applaud your sense of  duty and moral  fortitude and character,
it is very lacking in business today... that is all i was trying to say
,  my point was that although it's a sad truth about the world we live in,
and it ain't getting any better  most big corporations put their
bottomline before anything... case in point, Worldcom , Enron etc. etc. to
name a few   get my drift?

As far as anti-spam sentiments go... i'm just being realistic about this war
we are waging i  ( among others) challenged everyone to pull together
and beat them at their own game  rather than admitting defeat  are you
saying they are smarter than us... i find that hard to believe

just my 2 cents worth. :)



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 That's  a  curious  sentiment  to  post on an anti-spam list! I'd have
 hoped  everyone here believes we should be regulated by ethics as well
 as statutes. Otherwise, why aren't we spamming for a living?

 As  the three-way rubber-stamping between DoC, ICANN, and V$ has taken
 its  many  sickening turns over the years, I have never for one moment
 empathized  with  their mixture of collusion, bumbling, price gouging,
 and  lies.  Sucked it up, yes. But no, I wouldn't do the same. If that
 prevents  us  from becoming an 800-pound gorilla, fine; at least I can
 sleep at night. I don't think that's so yesterday.

 -Sandy


 
 Sanford Whiteman, Chief Technologist
 Broadleaf Systems, a division of
 Cypress Integrated Systems, Inc.
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Re[4]: [Declude.JunkMail] Happy days are here again...

2003-10-06 Thread Sanford Whiteman
 most  big  corporations put their bottomline before anything... case
 in point, Worldcom , Enron etc. etc. to name a few get my drift?

Those  are  cases  of  high-dollar  abuse,  and  of  course  there are
thousands   of   smaller-time   abuses  going  on  all  the  time.  My
disagreement  was with your idea that *anyone* could/would do the same
if  the money were right. Just because evil is a constant doesn't mean
it's universal (I hope).

-Sandy




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Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Happy days are here again...

2003-10-04 Thread Don Brown
Don't hold your breath, though.

ICANN has a way of spinning things, so it looks like they are doing
the right thing.  A good recent example is WLS.  They initially came
out against WLS, but later and in spite of overwhelming opposition
from the Internet Community and contrary to the recommendation of
their own committee and the GNSO, they approved it.

At the end of the day with ICANN, right, wrong, the best interests of
competition and the Internet Community, just aren't a factor in their
decisions. V$ writes them big checks and takes good care of the BoD
and staff. Follow the money and you'll see the truth through the smoke
screen they and V$ spin.

It is a disgusting reality, which NATIA and the DoC ignore.  It will
take Congress to fix it and that won't happen until it is made into a
political issue.

Thanks,


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Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Happy days are here again...

2003-10-04 Thread Webmaster Oilfield Directory
Finally someone is cutting thru the Bull and not afraid to tell it as it
really is. money talks BS walks. that is the REALITY in the business
world today.  and don't tell me you wouldn't do the same the
bottomline is that matters to people  if they can be poliitcally
correct and make lots of $$$ so much the better but at the end of the day
that $$$ is all that matters. take it or leave it


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 Don't hold your breath, though.

 ICANN has a way of spinning things, so it looks like they are doing
 the right thing.  A good recent example is WLS.  They initially came
 out against WLS, but later and in spite of overwhelming opposition
 from the Internet Community and contrary to the recommendation of
 their own committee and the GNSO, they approved it.

 At the end of the day with ICANN, right, wrong, the best interests of
 competition and the Internet Community, just aren't a factor in their
 decisions. V$ writes them big checks and takes good care of the BoD
 and staff. Follow the money and you'll see the truth through the smoke
 screen they and V$ spin.

 It is a disgusting reality, which NATIA and the DoC ignore.  It will
 take Congress to fix it and that won't happen until it is made into a
 political issue.

 Thanks,


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Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Happy days are here again...

2003-10-03 Thread Jason Newland
So as of Monday are we going to have a new organization running the .com /
.net TLDs?  lol

It's about time

Buh Bye Verislime

Jason

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 http://www.icann.org/correspondence/twomey-to-lewis-03oct03.htm


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RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Happy days are here again...

2003-10-03 Thread Todd Holt
So they don't have to pay for all registrations?  I don't understand
this. 

Todd Holt
Xidix Technologies, Inc
Las Vegas, NV  USA
www.xidix.com
702.319.4349



 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:Declude.JunkMail-
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Matthew Bramble
 Sent: Friday, October 03, 2003 2:54 PM
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Happy days are here again...
 
 Todd Holt wrote:
 
 IMHO, ICANN should send a bill to VeriSlime for the registration of
all
 combinations which could be caught by the wildcard.  Does anyone know
 the maximum length of a domain name, how many different characters
can
 be used in a domain name (a-z,A-Z,0-9,_,-,...), how many .com and
.net
 domain names are currently registered and how much VeriSlime pays for
 each domain registration?
 
 
 I believe that since something like 256 characters are now allowed in
 domain names, 64 different standard characters allowed, and since
there
 are around 40 million .com and .net addresses currently registered,
that
 would equate to (2 x 64^256) - 40,000,000, or approximately...
 

270,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,
00

0,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,00
0,

000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,
00

0,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,00
0,

000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,
00

0,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,00
0,

000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,
00

0,000,000,000,000,000,,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,0
00

,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000
,0
 00,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000
 
 This doesn't include the high-bit characters though :)
 
 BTW, payments to ICANN are only proportional to total registrations,
and
 totals less than $3 million a year across 100% of registrations.  So
in
 effect, this would cost them little extra if they were to be charged.
 
 Matt
 
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Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Happy days are here again...

2003-10-03 Thread Bill Landry
Umm, I think you missed a zero somewhere...  ;-)

Bill
- Original Message - 
From: Matthew Bramble [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, October 03, 2003 2:54 PM
Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Happy days are here again...


 Todd Holt wrote:

 IMHO, ICANN should send a bill to VeriSlime for the registration of all
 combinations which could be caught by the wildcard.  Does anyone know
 the maximum length of a domain name, how many different characters can
 be used in a domain name (a-z,A-Z,0-9,_,-,...), how many .com and .net
 domain names are currently registered and how much VeriSlime pays for
 each domain registration?
 

 I believe that since something like 256 characters are now allowed in
 domain names, 64 different standard characters allowed, and since there
 are around 40 million .com and .net addresses currently registered, that
 would equate to (2 x 64^256) - 40,000,000, or approximately...


270,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,
000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,
000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,
000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,
000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,
000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,
000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,
000,000,,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000
,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000
,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000

 This doesn't include the high-bit characters though :)

 BTW, payments to ICANN are only proportional to total registrations, and
 totals less than $3 million a year across 100% of registrations.  So in
 effect, this would cost them little extra if they were to be charged.

 Matt

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Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Happy days are here again...

2003-10-03 Thread Matthew Bramble




ICANN is just there to oversee the workings of the industry and they're
not in it for profit. They charge registrars a fee based on the
percentage of the number of registrations they are responsible for, and
the total collected from all registrars is a number related only to
organizational costs.

VeriSign pays something like and additional $250,000 a year to ICANN
for maintaining the .com and .net registries, however they collect $6
for each .com and .net domain name registered for their operating costs
(and profit). While technically they pay themselves this $6 figure for
registrations, it is only on paper for accounting purposes and no money
changes hands (assuming that they track the transactions).

Matt



Todd Holt wrote:

  So they don't have to pay for all registrations?  I don't understand
this. 

Todd Holt
Xidix Technologies, Inc
Las Vegas, NV  USA
www.xidix.com
702.319.4349



  
  
-Original Message-
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[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Matthew Bramble
Sent: Friday, October 03, 2003 2:54 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Happy days are here again...

Todd Holt wrote:



  IMHO, ICANN should send a bill to VeriSlime for the registration of
  

  
  all
  
  

  combinations which could be caught by the wildcard.  Does anyone know
the maximum length of a domain name, how many different characters
  

  
  can
  
  

  be used in a domain name (a-z,A-Z,0-9,_,-,...), how many .com and
  

  
  .net
  
  

  domain names are currently registered and how much VeriSlime pays for
each domain registration?

  

I believe that since something like 256 characters are now allowed in
domain names, 64 different standard characters allowed, and since

  
  there
  
  
are around 40 million .com and .net addresses currently registered,

  
  that
  
  
would equate to (2 x 64^256) - 40,000,000, or approximately...



  
  270,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,
00
  
  0,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,00
0,
  
  000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,
00
  
  0,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,00
0,
  
  000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,
00
  
  0,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,00
0,
  
  000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,
00
  
  0,000,000,000,000,000,,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,0
00
  
  ,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000
,0
  
  
00,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000

This doesn't include the high-bit characters though :)

BTW, payments to ICANN are only proportional to total registrations,

  
  and
  
  
totals less than $3 million a year across 100% of registrations.  So

  
  in
  
  
effect, this would cost them little extra if they were to be charged.

Matt

  






Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Happy days are here again...

2003-10-03 Thread Frederick Samarelli
FrontPage of the Washington Post.
VeriSign Freezes Search Service

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A40241-2003Oct3.html
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 I could not be happier...

 http://www.icann.org/correspondence/twomey-to-lewis-03oct03.htm


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RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Happy days are here again...

2003-10-03 Thread Todd Holt









So, ICANN comes up with a figure that is
equal to the cost of maintaining the internet for a year and each registrar
pays a percentage of that figure based on the percentage of all registrations
that they manage?



If this is true, then

The wildcard in effect makes them
customers of the registrantby registering each of the 40,000,000,000+
domains. This would make the total number
of registered of domains increase to a staggering number. And VeriSlime
would be managing 99.9% of those domains. They would effectively pay the entire
bill for running the internet! I
like it!!! J



Butanother
question

Why should we pay a fixed amount each year
to the registrants if they dont pay a fixed amount? This sounds pretty hokey to me! (No offense to VTech
fans!) I thought that a fixed
amount of our payments were going to the internet infrastructure improvements. Silly me!





Todd Holt 
Xidix Technologies, Inc 
Las Vegas, NV USA 
www.xidix.com 
702.319.4349 







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Sent: Friday, October 03, 2003
3:28 PM
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Happy days are here again...



ICANN is just there to oversee the workings of the
industry and they're not in it for profit. They charge registrars a fee
based on the percentage of the number of registrations they are responsible
for, and the total collected from all registrars is a number related only to
organizational costs.

VeriSign pays something like and additional $250,000 a year to ICANN for
maintaining the .com and .net registries, however they collect $6 for each .com
and .net domain name registered for their operating costs (and profit).
While technically they pay themselves this $6 figure for registrations, it is
only on paper for accounting purposes and no money changes hands (assuming that
they track the transactions).

Matt



Todd Holt wrote:



So they don't have to pay for all registrations? I don't understandthis. Todd HoltXidix Technologies, IncLas Vegas, NV USAwww.xidix.com702.319.4349 

-Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:Declude.JunkMail-[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Matthew BrambleSent: Friday, October 03, 2003 2:54 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Happy days are here again...Todd Holt wrote: 

IMHO, ICANN should send a bill to VeriSlime for the registration of 



all 



combinations which could be caught by the wildcard. Does anyone knowthe maximum length of a domain name, how many different characters 



can 



be used in a domain name (a-z,A-Z,0-9,_,-,...), how many .com and 



.net 



domain names are currently registered and how much VeriSlime pays foreach domain registration? 

I believe that since something like 256 characters are now allowed indomain names, 64 different standard characters allowed, and since 

there 

are around 40 million .com and .net addresses currently registered, 

that 

would equate to (2 x 64^256) - 40,000,000, or approximately... 

270,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,00 0,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000, 000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,00 0,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000, 000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,00 0,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000, 000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,00 0,000,000,000,000,000,,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 ,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,0 

00,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000This doesn't include the high-bit characters though :)BTW, payments to ICANN are only proportional to total registrations, 

and 

totals less than $3 million a year across 100% of registrations. So 

in 

effect, this would cost them little extra if they were to be charged.Matt 












Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Happy days are here again...

2003-10-03 Thread Matthew Bramble




Todd Holt wrote:

  
  
  
  
  
  
  

  
  
  
  So, ICANN
comes up with a figure that is
equal to the cost of maintaining the internet for a year and each
registrar
pays a percentage of that figure based on the percentage of all
registrations
that they manage?
  


Exactly.





  
  If this is
true, then
  The wildcard
in effect makes them
customers of the registrantby registering each of the 40,000,000,000+
domains. This would make the total number
of registered of domains increase to a staggering number.
  And VeriSlime
would be managing 99.9% of those domains. They
would effectively pay the entire
bill for running the internet! I
like it!!! J
  

The only problem with this is that the total bill only amounts to about
$3 million a year :(

  
  
  Butanother
question
  Why should
we pay a fixed amount each year
to the registrants if they dont pay a fixed amount? This
sounds pretty hokey to me! (No offense to VTech
fans!) I thought that a fixed
amount of our payments were going to the internet infrastructure
improvements. Silly me!
  

Well, VeriSign is the one that actually maintains the majority of the
registry's infrastructure for .com and .net (.org just began a transfer
yesterday to a new organization). The $6 fee that they are charging is
about $5 above the initial suggested compensation at ICANN, but after a
year and a half of blocking by VeriSign, even claiming ownership of the
namespaces, the corporate entities at ICANN caved to their demands and
set them up with this sweetheart deal...and then a year or so ago they
renewed it with the only change being giving up the .org registry.

It shouldn't cost that much to maintain a registry with 30 million
domains ($180 million a year). ICANN should find a replacement
organization, preferably a nonprofit, to take over operations, insist
that the price be dropped to $1 per domain, and use this flagrant
violation as proof of breech of contract instead of waiting another 4
years or so until the current deal has expired.

The only problem with all of this is that there are few organizations
with the knowledge base and infrastructure that can take on a task like
this. Personally, I would vote for Tucows to take this over based on
their fine character, but they would need a large cash infusion to pull
it off.

Matt