RE: [Declude.JunkMail] OT- Getting a URL de-listed on AOL
Now, real-estate agents in general are the most technologically challenged group forced to use technology. I imagine that agents nation wide kept sending listing information to people even after they requested to stop getting e-mail. I almost don't want to help them... Oh my. Not meaning to offend anybody on this here discussion list, but that's just too funny. I have several customers who are real estate agents, and I must say that your comment is right on target. I too concur. Try explaining to them they can not send an e-mail and cc it to every one in their address book is like pulling teeth with a rusty pair of pliers. John Tolmachoff Engineer/Consultant/Owner eServices For You --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
RE: [Declude.JunkMail] OT- Getting a URL de-listed on AOL
Thanks for the discussion. I have my webmaster trying to create an alternate flyer directly from our website that will not include the URL of the software that so many agents across the country use. That is the problem, I have no control over what real-estate agents do with their mailings from within this software. It uses its own server and is shared with agents all over the U.S. even if I could control my own agents completely, there are enough people using the system to keep getting it listed. I just wish that AOL had an individual whitelist so the AOL users are complaining about not being able to receive the info. But, if we create our own flyer with similar information, then I and the webmaster will have more control and we will receive the complaints if anyone abuses the system. I have the agents pretty scared of spamming and opening attachment, so it shouldn't be too bad. It could also potentially give us a competitive advantage over our competitors in the Greater Hudson Valley if we have the ability to send information and they do not. At least until Interealty can get themselves de-listed. Unfortunately, it also means that we will have to teach them how to use another system -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Tolmachoff (Lists) Sent: Friday, January 30, 2004 2:32 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] OT- Getting a URL de-listed on AOL Now, real-estate agents in general are the most technologically challenged group forced to use technology. I imagine that agents nation wide kept sending listing information to people even after they requested to stop getting e-mail. I almost don't want to help them... Oh my. Not meaning to offend anybody on this here discussion list, but that's just too funny. I have several customers who are real estate agents, and I must say that your comment is right on target. I too concur. Try explaining to them they can not send an e-mail and cc it to every one in their address book is like pulling teeth with a rusty pair of pliers. John Tolmachoff Engineer/Consultant/Owner eServices For You --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
RE: [Declude.JunkMail] OT- Getting a URL de-listed on AOL
he'll probably use his AOL account to do his mailings (if they allow the volume) AOL will stop them from coming in, but not from going out!! AOL and Earthlink are 2 of the biggest SPAM sources we see. I wish they would practice what they preach! ;) Todd Holt Xidix Technologies, Inc Las Vegas, NV USA www.xidix.com 702.319.4349 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Matt Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2004 10:32 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] OT- Getting a URL de-listed on AOL My point was that commissioned individuals in businesses like this (real estate and auto dealerships) tend to look to bulk mailings as a way to enhance their business opportunities. My neighbor for instance just got his license and he keeps telling me how he needs to set up an E-mail list. He's definitely the type of guy that will do a poor job of preening his list following complaints, he'll probably use his AOL account to do his mailings (if they allow the volume), and he'll probably send out messages with little or no value. Essentially, these people don't know better, and they need to be instructed by their business as to exactly what acceptable E-mail use is. If his company is large enough to have several dozens of commissioned individuals taking upon themselves to become small-time spammers, then that can create problems for the company as a whole, as is likely indicated in Marc's situation. Now if I was the guy at AOL that made the determination as to whether or not to remove Marc's domain from my blacklist, my first question would be, what have you done to limit the abuse/spam? This is why I recommended that he start there. As far as We hate spam too links on home pages go, they are highly indicative of companies with poor control, a lack of best practices, or even a front to fool E-mail administrators into not blacklisting them. That would be a red flag in my book. It's hardly any different from the disclaimers that you often see on spam coming from sources with 1,000 different domain names. Not that the idea of being anti-spam is bad, but this has become too commonly used to trick people. If Marc wants to get off of AOL's list, he's probably going to have to work pretty hard to get it done. Word is that they are notoriously non-responsive regardless. If he finds the right person and the process turns out to be easy enough, it's still a good idea to get his ducks in order so that future problems might be prevented. I'm quite sure that this is good advice. Matt Sanford Whiteman wrote: The first step would be to put in place measures that stopped theunsolicited mailings. This is easy to say, but probably impossible to do. If they have notpruned their lists of unwanted memberships, that's probably becausethey no longer have any idea which ones were solicited or opted-in,which ones were illegally scraped--or even which ones are bouncing.So the only way to stop the unsolicited mailings is to stop _all_mailings to AOL and immediately send gentle probe only messages torefresh members at other domains; you should also post a We HateSpam, Too button on your home page with a link for immediate andpermanent removal to imply good faith.And this needs to be taken to the executive level to set clear policy.I'd consider this a very grave problem for a consumer-orientedbusiness to be barred from the leading consumer ISP. But it's a*business* problem, and as a technical person, your onlyresponsibility should be to explain it, not solve it.--SandySanford Whiteman, Chief TechnologistBroadleaf Systems, a division ofCypress Integrated Systems, Inc.e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]SpamAssassin plugs into Declude! http://www.mailmage.com/download/software/freeutils/SPAMC32/Release/---[This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)]---This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. Tounsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], andtype unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be foundat http://www.mail-archive.com. -- =MailPure custom filters for Declude JunkMail Pro.http://www.mailpure.com/software/=
Re: [Declude.JunkMail] OT- Getting a URL de-listed on AOL
I love how you downstaters call that region the " Greater Hudson Valley" :) BTW, I'm blocking CBizOne mailers (recruiters) on my server due to the abuse of the application by importing crawled addresses. I will whitelist a source if someone asks me but no one has yet. If I was AOL, this wouldn't be such a good thing to do though because they don't monitor or interact with their customers. Good catch. Matt marc catuogno wrote: Thanks for the discussion. I have my webmaster trying to create an alternate flyer directly from our website that will not include the URL of the software that so many agents across the country use. That is the problem, I have no control over what real-estate agents do with their mailings from within this software. It uses its own server and is shared with agents all over the U.S. even if I could control my own agents completely, there are enough people using the system to keep getting it listed. I just wish that AOL had an individual whitelist so the AOL users are complaining about not being able to receive the info. But, if we create our own flyer with similar information, then I and the webmaster will have more control and we will receive the complaints if anyone abuses the system. I have the agents pretty scared of spamming and opening attachment, so it shouldn't be too bad. It could also potentially give us a competitive advantage over our competitors in the Greater Hudson Valley if we have the ability to send information and they do not. At least until Interealty can get themselves de-listed. Unfortunately, it also means that we will have to teach them how to use another system -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of John Tolmachoff (Lists) Sent: Friday, January 30, 2004 2:32 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] OT- Getting a URL de-listed on AOL Now, real-estate agents in general are the most technologically challenged group forced to use technology. I imagine that agents nation wide kept sending listing information to people even after they requested to stop getting e-mail. I almost don't want to help them... Oh my. Not meaning to offend anybody on this here discussion list, but that's just too funny. I have several customers who are real estate agents, and I must say that your comment is right on target. I too concur. Try explaining to them they can not send an e-mail and cc it to every one in their address book is like pulling teeth with a rusty pair of pliers. John Tolmachoff Engineer/Consultant/Owner eServices For You --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type "unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail". The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type "unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail". The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. -- = MailPure custom filters for Declude JunkMail Pro. http://www.mailpure.com/software/ =
RE: [Declude.JunkMail] OT- Getting a URL de-listed on AOL
Title: Message http://www.cbizsoft.com/PoweredBy.asp -Original Message-From: Matt [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, January 30, 2004 10:28 AMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] OT- Getting a URL de-listed on AOLI love how you downstaters call that region the " Greater Hudson Valley" :)BTW, I'm blocking CBizOne mailers (recruiters) on my server due to the abuse of the application by importing crawled addresses. I will whitelist a source if someone asks me but no one has yet. If I was AOL, this wouldn't be such a good thing to do though because they don't monitor or interact with their customers. Good catch.Mattmarc catuogno wrote: Thanks for the discussion. I have my webmaster trying to create an alternate flyer directly from our website that will not include the URL of the software that so many agents across the country use. That is the problem, I have no control over what real-estate agents do with their mailings from within this software. It uses its own server and is shared with agents all over the U.S. even if I could control my own agents completely, there are enough people using the system to keep getting it listed. I just wish that AOL had an individual whitelist so the AOL users are complaining about not being able to receive the info. But, if we create our own flyer with similar information, then I and the webmaster will have more control and we will receive the complaints if anyone abuses the system. I have the agents pretty scared of spamming and opening attachment, so it shouldn't be too bad. It could also potentially give us a competitive advantage over our competitors in the Greater Hudson Valley if we have the ability to send information and they do not. At least until Interealty can get themselves de-listed. Unfortunately, it also means that we will have to teach them how to use another system -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of John Tolmachoff (Lists) Sent: Friday, January 30, 2004 2:32 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] OT- Getting a URL de-listed on AOL Now, real-estate agents in general are the most technologically challenged group forced to use technology. I imagine that agents nation wide kept sending listing information to people even after they requested to stop getting e-mail. I almost don't want to help them... Oh my. Not meaning to offend anybody on this here discussion list, but that's just too funny. I have several customers who are real estate agents, and I must say that your comment is right on target. I too concur. Try explaining to them they can not send an e-mail and cc it to every one in their address book is like pulling teeth with a rusty pair of pliers. John Tolmachoff Engineer/Consultant/Owner eServices For You --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type "unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail". The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type "unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail". The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. -- = MailPure custom filters for Declude JunkMail Pro. http://www.mailpure.com/software/ =
RE: [Declude.JunkMail] OT- Getting a URL de-listed on AOL
Hey I'm from JOISEY... The GHV MLS is just what the board here calls itself. : ) Maybe I can just offer all those AOL people who want to get listing info an e-mail account, for a nominal fee of course... -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of MattSent: Friday, January 30, 2004 01:28 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] OT- Getting a URL de-listed on AOLI love how you downstaters call that region the " Greater Hudson Valley" :)BTW, I'm blocking CBizOne mailers (recruiters) on my server due to the abuse of the application by importing crawled addresses. I will whitelist a source if someone asks me but no one has yet. If I was AOL, this wouldn't be such a good thing to do though because they don't monitor or interact with their customers. Good catch.Mattmarc catuogno wrote: Thanks for the discussion. I have my webmaster trying to create an alternate flyer directly from our website that will not include the URL of the software that so many agents across the country use. That is the problem, I have no control over what real-estate agents do with their mailings from within this software. It uses its own server and is shared with agents all over the U.S. even if I could control my own agents completely, there are enough people using the system to keep getting it listed. I just wish that AOL had an individual whitelist so the AOL users are complaining about not being able to receive the info. But, if we create our own flyer with similar information, then I and the webmaster will have more control and we will receive the complaints if anyone abuses the system. I have the agents pretty scared of spamming and opening attachment, so it shouldn't be too bad. It could also potentially give us a competitive advantage over our competitors in the Greater Hudson Valley if we have the ability to send information and they do not. At least until Interealty can get themselves de-listed. Unfortunately, it also means that we will have to teach them how to use another system -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of John Tolmachoff (Lists) Sent: Friday, January 30, 2004 2:32 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] OT- Getting a URL de-listed on AOL Now, real-estate agents in general are the most technologically challenged group forced to use technology. I imagine that agents nation wide kept sending listing information to people even after they requested to stop getting e-mail. I almost don't want to help them... Oh my. Not meaning to offend anybody on this here discussion list, but that's just too funny. I have several customers who are real estate agents, and I must say that your comment is right on target. I too concur. Try explaining to them they can not send an e-mail and cc it to every one in their address book is like pulling teeth with a rusty pair of pliers. John Tolmachoff Engineer/Consultant/Owner eServices For You --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type "unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail". The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type "unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail". The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. -- = MailPure custom filters for Declude JunkMail Pro. http://www.mailpure.com/software/ =
RE: [Declude.JunkMail] OT- Getting a URL de-listed on AOL
Marc, I had great succes with the AOL Postmaster line at: 1.888.212.5537 I worked with a guy named, John Rardin, he fixed a few client issues in a timely fashion. I emailed him a few of the client emails and he was able to figure out why it was being blocked by them and in 1 case they removed it. Good Luck. Keith --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
Re: [Declude.JunkMail] OT- Getting a URL de-listed on AOL
The first step would be to put in place measures that stopped the unsolicited mailings. Probably a combination of a well documented and communicated policy (AUP) as well as a technical policy. For instance you could insist that they only use your E-mail system and not third party systems, and you could restrict the number of recipients per message to keep them from sending out E-mail blasts to lists of their contacts. It's fairly universal that spam is in part bulk, and just being unsolicited or unwanted doesn't qualify. You probably can't stop the unwanted nature of some of these E-mails, but you can cut down on the bulk if it exists. AOL of course is known to have issues, but it would make sense to cover your bases before you tried to approach them. Matt marc catuogno wrote: I am the e-mail admin for a real-estate company. They have access to a program that allows them to send real-estate info as a link through e-mail. AOL is now filtering that URL: 554 TRANSACTION FAILED: (HVU:B1) The URL contained in your email to AOL members has generated a high volume of complaints. Per our Unsolicit 554 5.0.0 Service unavailable Anyone know how to ask them how to get de-listed? Now, real-estate agents in general are the most technologically challenged group forced to use technology. I imagine that agents nation wide kept sending listing information to people even after they requested to stop getting e-mail. I almost don't want to help them... Thanks - Marc --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. -- = MailPure custom filters for Declude JunkMail Pro. http://www.mailpure.com/software/ = --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
Re: [Declude.JunkMail] OT- Getting a URL de-listed on AOL
marc catuogno wrote: Now, real-estate agents in general are the most technologically challenged group forced to use technology. I imagine that agents nation wide kept sending listing information to people even after they requested to stop getting e-mail. I almost don't want to help them... Oh my. Not meaning to offend anybody on this here discussion list, but that's just too funny. I have several customers who are real estate agents, and I must say that your comment is right on target. Glenn Z. --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
Re: [Declude.JunkMail] OT- Getting a URL de-listed on AOL
My point was that commissioned individuals in businesses like this (real estate and auto dealerships) tend to look to bulk mailings as a way to enhance their business opportunities. My neighbor for instance just got his license and he keeps telling me how he needs to set up an E-mail list. He's definitely the type of guy that will do a poor job of preening his list following complaints, he'll probably use his AOL account to do his mailings (if they allow the volume), and he'll probably send out messages with little or no value. Essentially, these people don't know better, and they need to be instructed by their business as to exactly what acceptable E-mail use is. If his company is large enough to have several dozens of commissioned individuals taking upon themselves to become small-time spammers, then that can create problems for the company as a whole, as is likely indicated in Marc's situation. Now if I was the guy at AOL that made the determination as to whether or not to remove Marc's domain from my blacklist, my first question would be, "what have you done to limit the abuse/spam?" This is why I recommended that he start there. As far as "We hate spam too" links on home pages go, they are highly indicative of companies with poor control, a lack of best practices, or even a front to fool E-mail administrators into not blacklisting them. That would be a red flag in my book. It's hardly any different from the disclaimers that you often see on spam coming from sources with 1,000 different domain names. Not that the idea of being anti-spam is bad, but this has become too commonly used to trick people. If Marc wants to get off of AOL's list, he's probably going to have to work pretty hard to get it done. Word is that they are notoriously non-responsive regardless. If he finds the right person and the process turns out to be easy enough, it's still a good idea to get his ducks in order so that future problems might be prevented. I'm quite sure that this is good advice. Matt Sanford Whiteman wrote: The first step would be to put in place measures that stopped the unsolicited mailings. This is easy to say, but probably impossible to do. If they have not pruned their lists of unwanted "memberships," that's probably because they no longer have any idea which ones were solicited or opted-in, which ones were illegally scraped--or even which ones are bouncing. So the only way to stop the unsolicited mailings is to stop _all_ mailings to AOL and immediately send gentle "probe only" messages to "refresh" members at other domains; you should also post a "We Hate Spam, Too" button on your home page with a link for immediate and permanent removal to imply good faith. And this needs to be taken to the executive level to set clear policy. I'd consider this a very grave problem for a consumer-oriented business to be barred from the leading consumer ISP. But it's a *business* problem, and as a technical person, your only responsibility should be to explain it, not solve it. --Sandy Sanford Whiteman, Chief Technologist Broadleaf Systems, a division of Cypress Integrated Systems, Inc. e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] SpamAssassin plugs into Declude! http://www.mailmage.com/download/software/freeutils/SPAMC32/Release/ --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type "unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail". The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. -- = MailPure custom filters for Declude JunkMail Pro. http://www.mailpure.com/software/ =
