RE: [Declude.JunkMail] form spam filter

2008-04-14 Thread David Barker
] On Behalf Of Darin Cox Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2008 9:04 AM To: declude.junkmail@declude.com Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] form spam filter Hi Matt, Parsing CAPTCHA essentially means OCR. OCR in general would be CPU-intensive. Spammers are using such techniques for Yahoo, Hotmail

Re: [Declude.JunkMail] form spam filter

2008-04-10 Thread Darin Cox
overall effectiveness, I still believe CAPTCHA is the single best method to secure a public form. Darin. - Original Message - From: Matt To: declude.junkmail@declude.com Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2008 1:04 PM Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] form spam filter Note that I'm not claiming

Re: [Declude.JunkMail] form spam filter

2008-04-09 Thread Darin Cox
Since forms all use different emailers, and the form content is different as well, your only hope is content filtering based on what the spammer submitted... like SURBL filtering or REGEX on the spammer submission. These days, web-based form processing pages should minimally check that the

Re: [Declude.JunkMail] form spam filter

2008-04-09 Thread Matt
The form spammers are smarter than to go directly to the mail script. They will hit for the form submission page with what appears to be IE and submit the form. They even handle cookies correctly. The trick for form spam is to take fields like your Name and E-mail and rename the variables

Re: [Declude.JunkMail] form spam filter

2008-04-09 Thread Darin Cox
To: declude.junkmail@declude.com Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2008 8:55 AM Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] form spam filter The form spammers are smarter than to go directly to the mail script. They will hit for the form submission page with what appears to be IE and submit the form. They even handle cookies

RE: [Declude.JunkMail] form spam filter

2008-04-09 Thread Craig Edmonds
: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Darin Cox Sent: 09 April 2008 15:09 To: declude.junkmail@declude.com Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] form spam filter Hi Matt, Some do, some don't. I've seen both methods used on some customer sites. Setting session variables

Re: [Declude.JunkMail] form spam filter

2008-04-09 Thread Darin Cox
, April 09, 2008 9:22 AM Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] form spam filter Thanks people for the comments. I will stick with captchas for now but it would be great if declude could figure a nice filter to deal with it, at the end of the day its still incoming spam. Kindest Regards Craig

Re: [Declude.JunkMail] form spam filter

2008-04-09 Thread Matt
:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *To:* declude.junkmail@declude.com mailto:declude.junkmail@declude.com *Sent:* Wednesday, April 09, 2008 8:55 AM *Subject:* Re: [Declude.JunkMail] form spam filter The form spammers are smarter than to go directly to the mail script. They will hit for the form submission page

Re: [Declude.JunkMail] form spam filter

2008-04-09 Thread Darin Cox
:24 AM Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] form spam filter Darin, I think you missed what I was saying exactly. If the form spammer fills out the fields that are hidden by DIV's, the E-mail wouldn't be sent by the mailer script and it would pretend to have been successful. Spammers use programs

RE: [Declude.JunkMail] form spam filter

2008-04-09 Thread Gufler Markus | Limitis
: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Matt Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2008 4:24 PM To: declude.junkmail@declude.com Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] form spam filter Darin, I think you missed what I was saying exactly. If the form spammer fills out the fields that are hidden

Re: [Declude.JunkMail] form spam filter

2008-04-09 Thread Darin Cox
. - Original Message - From: Gufler Markus | Limitis To: declude.junkmail@declude.com Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2008 10:53 AM Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] form spam filter Matt, Darin would it possible that you both forget, that 99,9+% of all incomming formmail spam is send from

RE: [Declude.JunkMail] form spam filter

2008-04-09 Thread Marc Catuogno
, April 09, 2008 11:54 AM To: declude.junkmail@declude.com Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] form spam filter Matt, I did understand. What I'm saying is that it doesn't always work. To clarify, in addition to less sophisticated automated form fillers that would fill out all fields

Re: [Declude.JunkMail] form spam filter

2008-04-09 Thread Darin Cox
. Darin. - Original Message - From: Marc Catuogno To: declude.junkmail@declude.com Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2008 12:22 PM Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] form spam filter One thing we did on our domain is to ban pasting so that the scripts couldn't paste their info into our fields

Re: [Declude.JunkMail] form spam filter

2008-04-09 Thread Matt
PROTECTED] *To:* declude.junkmail@declude.com mailto:declude.junkmail@declude.com *Sent:* Wednesday, April 09, 2008 12:22 PM *Subject:* RE: [Declude.JunkMail] form spam filter One thing we did on our domain is to ban pasting so that the scripts couldn't paste their info into our fields. Also I