Re: [DUG] to Vista 64bit or not?

2009-08-06 Thread Conor Boyd
Can't answer your question directly, but Windows 7 RTM is available on MSDN today I believe. So it's already out. Don't know if that makes your decision easier or not. ;-) From: delphi-boun...@delphi.org.nz [mailto:delphi-boun...@delphi.org.nz] On Behalf Of

Re: [DUG] to Vista 64bit or not?

2009-08-06 Thread Jeremy Coulter
yeah but work has the MSDN Lic. not me :-( Jeremy _ From: delphi-boun...@delphi.org.nz [mailto:delphi-boun...@delphi.org.nz] On Behalf Of Conor Boyd Sent: 7 August 2009 09:35 To: NZ Borland Developers Group - Delphi List Subject: Re: [DUG] to Vista 64bit or not? Can't answer your

Re: [DUG] to Vista 64bit or not?

2009-08-06 Thread Jason Coley
I fully recommend installing Win7, I know this shouldn't be said but there are plenty of torrents for the RTM build, when you can finally purchase the RTM (or get it through other MS channels), just enter your product key. You can re-arm it when necessary (up to 120 days I think) so the RTM

Re: [DUG] to Vista 64bit or not?

2009-08-06 Thread Sean Cross
Windows 7 is out, I'm downloading it now. If your computer supports 64, then install vista 64. There is no good reason to be using Vista 32. I have been using Vista 64 for over a year, and Win 7 64 since beta. Neither has had a 64 related problem and I get the use of all my memory. Regards

Re: [DUG] to Vista 64bit or not?

2009-08-06 Thread Jolyon Smith
aiui if you've only got 4GB of RAM then I don't think 64-bit is going to make that much of a difference. Of course, if you have the capacity to go beyond 4GB of physical RAM and the intention to do so, then 64-bit might be worthwhile. w.r.t Window 7 - I installed the RC (build 7100) as an

Re: [DUG] to Vista 64bit or not?

2009-08-06 Thread Sean Cross
Stick Delphi in a VM. Solves all number of problems. Regards Sean Cross CIO Catalyst Risk Management From: delphi-boun...@delphi.org.nz [mailto:delphi-boun...@delphi.org.nz] On Behalf Of Jason Coley Sent: Friday, 7 August 2009 9:56 a.m. To: NZ Borland Developers Group - Delphi List Subject:

Re: [DUG] to Vista 64bit or not?

2009-08-06 Thread Jeremy North
There is no good reason to be using Vista 32. Unless you rely on shell extensions written in Delphi. ___ NZ Borland Developers Group - Delphi mailing list Post: delphi@delphi.org.nz Admin: http://delphi.org.nz/mailman/listinfo/delphi Unsubscribe: send

Re: [DUG] to Vista 64bit or not?

2009-08-06 Thread Jeremy Coulter
I have installed Windows7 beta in a VM session (32bit only) and it flew even on my old/current machine. Has anyone tried Delphi7 on it? I unfortuntily have to support some stuff with Delphi 7 and it need to run on it. Jeremy _ From: delphi-boun...@delphi.org.nz

Re: [DUG] to Vista 64bit or not?

2009-08-06 Thread Sean Cross
Vista 32 will never see all 4 gb due to mapping issues with the video card etc. Under Vista 32, I got between 3 and 3.5 gb available on my laptops. Vista 64 got the lot. How much you lose depends on your video card memory. Regards Sean Cross CIO Catalyst Risk Management From:

Re: [DUG] to Vista 64bit or not?

2009-08-06 Thread Jason Coley
Well yes, because the VM has to use 32bit (doesn't it). From: delphi-boun...@delphi.org.nz [mailto:delphi-boun...@delphi.org.nz] On Behalf Of Sean Cross Sent: Friday, 7 August 2009 10:11 a.m. To: Jason Subject: Re: [DUG] to Vista 64bit or not? Stick Delphi in a VM. Solves all number of

Re: [DUG] to Vista 64bit or not?

2009-08-06 Thread Jolyon Smith
The real question though is how much benefit you actually got from that extra 0.5 - 1GB ? I'm guessing not much. Not really. But if you've got a system equipped with 6GB or 8GB. at that point 64-bit makes perfect sense (and if you're the sort of user that is loading a 4GB system so heavily

Re: [DUG] to Vista 64bit or not?

2009-08-06 Thread Jeremy Coulter
does windows 7 see all the RAM? Jeremy _ From: delphi-boun...@delphi.org.nz [mailto:delphi-boun...@delphi.org.nz] On Behalf Of Jolyon Smith Sent: 7 August 2009 10:27 To: 'NZ Borland Developers Group - Delphi List' Subject: Re: [DUG] to Vista 64bit or not? The real question though is

Re: [DUG] to Vista 64bit or not?

2009-08-06 Thread Conor Boyd
Ummm, the 64-bit version will. ;-) From: delphi-boun...@delphi.org.nz [mailto:delphi-boun...@delphi.org.nz] On Behalf Of Jeremy Coulter Sent: Friday, 7 August 2009 10:29 a.m. To: 'NZ Borland Developers Group - Delphi List' Subject: Re: [DUG] to Vista 64bit or

Re: [DUG] to Vista 64bit or not?

2009-08-06 Thread Jason Coley
Yeah, I guess, but I have had a few people recently, who have installed x64 on the same systems and have claimed better performance, my sister for one. Her media centre definitely seems quicker with x64 installed over x86, both installs were clean installs. I don't know why this is, maybe it's the

Re: [DUG] to Vista 64bit or not?

2009-08-06 Thread Jeremy Coulter
ok, so the 32 bit wont...hmmm Thanks all. I will work out which way I will gosoon still waiting for the call to go pick up the partsgrrr Jeremy _ From: delphi-boun...@delphi.org.nz [mailto:delphi-boun...@delphi.org.nz] On Behalf Of Conor Boyd Sent: 7 August 2009 10:42 To:

Re: [DUG] to Vista 64bit or not?

2009-08-06 Thread Sean Cross
The W7 32 bit sees more than Vista 32 but nowhere near all of it. W7 64 sees all of it, as does Vista 64 Regards Sean Cross CIO Catalyst Risk Management From: delphi-boun...@delphi.org.nz [mailto:delphi-boun...@delphi.org.nz] On Behalf Of Jeremy Coulter Sent: Friday, 7 August 2009 10:29 a.m.

Re: [DUG] to Vista 64bit or not?

2009-08-06 Thread Sean Cross
In my case, the difference between 3 and 4 gb is huge. All my development is in vms, so it makes a big difference in how much memory I can allocate to a vm, and how may I can have running. I am using laptops, so much as I would like 8gb, it is non trivial to arrange. Ymmv. For the general

Re: [DUG] to Vista 64bit or not?

2009-08-06 Thread Dave O'Brien
The issue with 32 bit is that it can only address 4GB. Hardware uses space from 4GB down, so depending on the hardware, you lose anywhere up to 1GB from the available 4GB Windows limit. 64 bit still has the same issue, but from 128GB which is a Windows limit on Vista, probably the same for

Re: [DUG] to Vista 64bit or not?

2009-08-06 Thread Jeremy Coulter
well I have server 2008 too...maybe I should put that on :-) ah the choices :-o Jeremy _ From: delphi-boun...@delphi.org.nz [mailto:delphi-boun...@delphi.org.nz] On Behalf Of Dave O'Brien Sent: 7 August 2009 10:59 To: NZ Borland Developers Group - Delphi List Subject: Re: [DUG] to

Re: [DUG] to Vista 64bit or not?

2009-08-06 Thread Jolyon Smith
No - the problem isn't a question of OS features, so much as a simple characteristic of 32-bitness. In your system there are (in simple terms) two kinds of memory: system (motherboard) memory and device memory. That memory (again, hugely simplified) becomes one big coalesced pool of RAM,

Re: [DUG] to Vista 64bit or not?

2009-08-06 Thread Kyley Harris
I'm using Vista 64bit with 8GB ram works great running VMWare XP machines with 2GB ram each :D On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 9:10 AM, Jeremy Coulter jscoul...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Guys. I am building my new machine today...YAYand sinces I am getting a pretty res. machine (quad core with 4 gig)

Re: [DUG] to Vista 64bit or not?

2009-08-06 Thread Stephen Barker
Server 2003 can address up to 128GB (4GB for SBS) in the 32 bit edition or 2TB in 64 bit. Funnily enough,Server 2008 can only address 64GB in the 32 bit version. That must really annoy people. Who would ever need 64GB Ram? J Isn't it fantastic to be even having this discussion? (remembering

Re: [DUG] to Vista 64bit or not?

2009-08-06 Thread John Bird
Any comments from those with Windows 7 whether its worth thinking of upgrading a Sony Vaio with Vista (32 bit Home premium) to Windows 7 ?? I am encouraged by the closeness of Vista and Windows 7 - ie same drivers, and internally Winodws 7 is actually V6.1 (compared to Vista V6.0). And the

Re: [DUG] to Vista 64bit or not?

2009-08-06 Thread Jeremy North
I've been using Windows 7 RC1 for a while doing quite a bit of testing on it. This is just a spare machine I picked up for $100. A pentium 4 2GHz with 768 meg of ram. It runs really well on that hardware. I must admit, I'm not a new fan of the task bar but most things are quite similar visually.

Re: [DUG] to Vista 64bit or not?

2009-08-06 Thread John Bird
Why do you prefer Vista (apart from the task bar?) John I prefer vista, but the performance improvements that Win7 has almost make it impossible to ignore (if you are currently running vista). Delphi runs quite well on it as well. Although I haven't tried Delphi 7 (yuck :p) cheers, Jeremy

Re: [DUG] to Vista 64bit or not?

2009-08-06 Thread Jeremy North
On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 10:36 AM, John Birdjohnkb...@paradise.net.nz wrote: Why do you prefer Vista (apart from the task bar?) That is basically it. Although I will switch to Win7 for new hardware purchases. The start menu in Win7 has a nice feature where individual apps have their own recent

Re: [DUG] to Vista 64bit or not?

2009-08-06 Thread Colin Fraser
I am sure your comment on Mac vs Win could start some flame wars... I'll start next :-)... I have a Mac Book Pro too, and much prefer it over Windows... though have not tried Windows 7 much at all. The One menu thing... you grow to like it... well, at least I actually like it better now.

Re: [DUG] to Vista 64bit or not?

2009-08-06 Thread Kyley Harris
Hehe.. This is the Mac problem.. One thing that I still find infuriating though is that you can only size windows by the bottom right corner... why, why, why make sizing windows so hard???!! They have not made it HARD.. they have made it EASY. because there is only ONE OPTION :D I like my MAC

Re: [DUG] to Vista 64bit or not?

2009-08-06 Thread Sean Cross
I dual boot into OSX for iphone development. I much prefer windows 7. And I hate objective c. Regards   Sean Cross CIO Catalyst Risk Management -Original Message- From: delphi-boun...@delphi.org.nz [mailto:delphi-boun...@delphi.org.nz] On Behalf Of Jeremy North Sent: Friday, 7

Re: [DUG] to Vista 64bit or not?

2009-08-06 Thread Jolyon Smith
Interesting. I have to say that the desktop/window manager/taskbar changes (I'd call them improvements but not everyone would agree...) were compelling for me. At first I missed Quick Launch, until I learned about Pinning both to the bar itself and to the start menu and realised that Quick

Re: [DUG] to Vista 64bit or not?

2009-08-06 Thread John Bird
OK its open season now that OSX has entered the comversation. And its Friday... Here's another benchmark http://www.tuxradar.com/content/benchmarked-ubuntu-vs-vista-vs-windows-7 Windows 7 does score tops in copying large files. not in slow files or anything else. btw the first Windows 7

Re: [DUG] to Vista 64bit or not?

2009-08-06 Thread Jeremy North
Faster doesn't instantly mean better, or more productive. I've got a blog post stewing at the moment where I will be detailing my experiences, if I get around to writing it. XCode is an _interestingly_ architected application. I love how apple do updates though. 230meg download to fix one

Re: [DUG] to Vista 64bit or not?

2009-08-06 Thread Jolyon Smith
Hmmm, I think it's going a bit far to say that it cripples a system. It doesn't kill the machine, just the current session. Reboot and normal service is resumed. If it irreversibly damaged the HDD that would be a different matter, but I don't think that's the issue. And aiui it's not a

Re: [DUG] to Vista 64bit or not?

2009-08-06 Thread Jeremy Coulter
well after the supplier providing th wrong motherboard and me having to wait tll they hand delivered it themselves, and trying to decide what vid card to buy, I have now build the machine and installed vista 64bit to see how it goes for a while. I figured I might as well try a few different things