Re: [DUG] Variabels stored

2011-01-20 Thread David Moorhouse (DUG)
Or as field properties if you want to access them from another form ... type TWallaceForm = class(TForm) btnOK: TButton; private FWallacesPrivateVar: string; // private storage public property WallacesPrivateVar: string read FWallacesPrivateVar write

Re: [DUG] Variabels stored

2011-01-20 Thread Ross Levis
I don't see the point in doing that, unless the read/write are functions or procedures. Just make the string public. From: delphi-boun...@delphi.org.nz [mailto:delphi-boun...@delphi.org.nz] On Behalf Of David Moorhouse (DUG) Sent: Thursday, 20 January 2011 11:18 PM To: NZ Borland Developers

Re: [DUG] Variabels stored

2011-01-20 Thread David Moorhouse (DUG)
Because a property hides the implementation details ... you can change to read / write methods later with no change to the code that is using the property. A public field exposes the implementation. Cheers D On 21/01/11 00:44, Ross Levis wrote: I don't see the point in doing that, unless

Re: [DUG] Variabels stored

2011-01-20 Thread Jolyon Smith
Well, to be fair the same is true even if you declare it simply as a public member. You change that public member to a public property with read/write accessors if you need to, without changing the code that uses the public member. The reason to declare a member as a property is when you

Re: [DUG] Variabels stored

2011-01-20 Thread John Bird
There is another way as well, you can declare simple global variables – depending where you declare it determines it’s scope - how visible it it is. In this example string2 can be seen by any unit that uses this one, just as Form11 (the particular instance of TForm11, and is also a global

Re: [DUG] Variables stored

2011-01-20 Thread Robert martin
Hi John While all you suggest may be true (I don't know about the compiler setting stuff) I would strongly recommend anybody starting out with programming / delphi avoids using global variables. Its a nasty habit to get into :) Also the compiler setting

Re: [DUG] Variabels stored

2011-01-20 Thread Marshland Engineering
Thanks for all the replies. I'll go through them all and see if I can get my head around them. I have to say that after a few months of programming in Dos/DbaseIII/Clipper, I hardly ever went back to the manuals and wrote a lot of varied and complex programs. (One being the management an

Re: [DUG] Variables stored

2011-01-20 Thread Jolyon Smith
Assignable typed constants are pointless. If you are going to declare a constant and then use a compiler switch to make it behave like a variable, then be honest and just use a variable!! Typed constants cannot even be used where normal constants can be: const ONE: Integer

Re: [DUG] Variabels stored

2011-01-20 Thread Todd
Hi Wallace I would recommend getting a book on object oriented design. Here's one The object primer by Scott Ambler. Cheers, Todd. Thanks for all the replies. I'll go through them all and see if I can get my head around them. I have to say that after a few months of programming in

Re: [DUG] Variabels stored

2011-01-20 Thread Alister Christie
Probably also worth watching some videos http://delphi.wikia.com/wiki/Delphi_Videos Check out the 30 Camtasias in 30 days, it's got a bunch of basics in there which should be helpful Alister Christie Computers for People Ph: 04 471 1849 Fax: 04 471 1266 http://www.salespartner.co.nz PO Box

Re: [DUG] Variables stored

2011-01-20 Thread Ross Levis
I use some global variables. I also have what I assume are other bad habits like creating plain functions or procedures instead of declaring them inside the form class. Just lazy. Ross. From: delphi-boun...@delphi.org.nz [mailto:delphi-boun...@delphi.org.nz] On Behalf Of Jolyon Smith

Re: [DUG] Variables stored

2011-01-20 Thread Jeremy North
There is nothing wrong with global methods (somehow .NET made then seem uncool for native languages) There is nothing wrong with global variables (when used in moderation) Like Jolyon, I see no reason for assignable typed constants (which I think were kept for backwards compatibility) On Fri,

Re: [DUG] Variables stored

2011-01-20 Thread John Bird
Lazy? or simpler and convenient? plain functions that might be useful anywhere in any program are best done like this I would think. Examples are in Delphi units afterall, eg StrUtils John I use some global variables. I also have what I assume are other bad habits like creating plain

Re: [DUG] Variables stored

2011-01-20 Thread Robert martin
Hi There are some things wrong with global variables and they should be used where appropriate. I only made a point of saying better to avoid as they can seem easy for a newbie, who could end up using them for everything. Cheers Rob On 21/01/2011 3:07 p.m., Jeremy North wrote: There is

Re: [DUG] Variabels stored

2011-01-20 Thread Ross Levis
Another issue is you can't use properties as parameters in a function or procedure so you would need to store the property in a string before calling a function. What a hassle. Ross. From: delphi-boun...@delphi.org.nz [mailto:delphi-boun...@delphi.org.nz] On Behalf Of Jolyon Smith Sent:

Re: [DUG] Variables stored

2011-01-20 Thread Ross Levis
Yes. But I have done things like this. procedure DoSomething; begin with MainForm do begin … end; end; Definitely lazy. From: delphi-boun...@delphi.org.nz [mailto:delphi-boun...@delphi.org.nz] On Behalf Of John Bird Sent: Friday, 21 January 2011 3:17 PM To: NZ Borland

Re: [DUG] Variables stored

2011-01-20 Thread Jeremy North
Yep, you used with... On Fri, Jan 21, 2011 at 1:32 PM, Ross Levis r...@stationplaylist.com wrote: Yes.  But I have done things like this. procedure DoSomething; begin   with MainForm do   begin     …   end; end; Definitely lazy. From: delphi-boun...@delphi.org.nz

Re: [DUG] Variables stored

2011-01-20 Thread Jolyon Smith
It doesn’t take “with” to break the Delphi refactorings. Perfectly ordinary, healthy, unexceptional, uncomplex code can do that !! I find the refactorings to be next to useless as a result – when they work at all they simply cannot be relied on to have worked completely correctly. The one

Re: [DUG] Variables stored

2011-01-20 Thread Todd
I ONLY use it with record structures. It is a real pain in the arse when visually debuging code and totally unnecessary. Todd. There are very, very, VERY (one more time: */VERY/*) few occasions when *with* should be used, but one that I see no problem with [sic] is: with SomeComboBox do

Re: [DUG] Variables stored

2011-01-20 Thread Colin Johnsun
I don't use the with clause that often but I do use it in class methods to instantiate dialog boxes. eg. class function TMyDialog.Execute: Boolean; begin with Self.Create(nil) do try Result := ShowModal = mrOk; finally Release; end; end; Cheers, Colin On 21 January 2011 14:44,

Re: [DUG] Auckland company developing application in Delphi

2011-01-20 Thread Edward Huang
The Warehouse. At least still actively doing it now. All for business applications. May even getting new one. Don't know how many more years to go though. Edward _ From: delphi-boun...@delphi.org.nz [mailto:delphi-boun...@delphi.org.nz] On Behalf Of Leigh Wanstead Sent: Wednesday,

Re: [DUG] Variables stored

2011-01-20 Thread Alister Christie
you might be able to go even one better by setting the Action = caFree in OnClose and just use result := Self.Create(nil).ShowModal = mrOK; removing the with, and cutting the code from 6 lines to 1. Actually is Self.Create safe - rather than TMyDialog.Create? Alister Christie Computers for

Re: [DUG] Variables stored

2011-01-20 Thread Jolyon Smith
you might be able to go even one better by setting the Action = caFree This is hardly ever a good idea when a form is intended to be used as a dialog as it is a frequent pattern to pass information back from the dialog to the invoking code via public properties of the dialog form class: Dlg