Re: [Denemo-devel] cross staff slurs
On Wed, 2016-10-12 at 14:02 -0700, Donald J. Stewart wrote: > I see... > > When creating the full score I used: > > Staffs/Voices->Add Staff->Add Staff for Instrument > > selected 'Plucked Strings' and Harp.denemo (in templates) > > So my score is already 'set' a template is only a starting point. You will likely want to add voices to the staffs - put the cursor on one of the two staffs and use Add Voice. But if you do only have two independent voices then you just move the voice to the other staff using Change Staff, which will leave blank bars in the staff you moved from (naturally). > > I was wondering if there was a(n elegant) way to create these cross staff > slurs in my harp part. As I say, if they are genuinely cross-voice then I think the current state of the art in LilyPond is that you have to fake the voicing, keeping the notes that are slurred in one voice, while the real voice to which a note belongs has non-printing rest. I can create an example if you need it ... perhaps post up a picture of what you want to typeset. Richard > > On Wednesday, October 12, 2016 9:46:15 PM PDT Richard Shann wrote: > > On Wed, 2016-10-12 at 11:59 -0700, Donald J. Stewart wrote: > > > What is the correct way to cross staves with a slur, as in harp or > > > keyboard > > > music? > > > > I think you have to use a single voice and make that change staffs > > (using Staffs/Voices->Change Staff). > > I think that LilyPond has a GSOC project for cross-voice slurs, but I > > think that is for the future. > > > > Richard > > > > > ___ > > > Denemo-devel mailing list > > > Denemo-devel@gnu.org > > > https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/denemo-devel > > ___ Denemo-devel mailing list Denemo-devel@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/denemo-devel
Re: [Denemo-devel] cross staff slurs
On Wed, 2016-10-12 at 21:59 -0700, Donald J. Stewart wrote: > In my denemo version, I don't have ->Change Staff: Did you try typing Change Staff into the search box of View->Command Center? You need to use the "->" button several times to arrive at it, as quite a few commands have those two words in their description... Command: Change Staff (Print) the current voice moves to the staff you name. Location: ObjectMenu->StaffMenu Internal Name: ChangeStaff looking at the history http://git.savannah.gnu.org/gitweb/?p=denemo.git;a=history;f=actions/menus/ObjectMenu/StaffMenu/ChangeStaff.scm;h=d92468d8f6a018513ce0682a84bed4806fffcc58;hb=HEAD of this command it goes back more than three years (the history before that is obscured by a structural change, but it is quite ancient I think). > > I have something similar: > > Staffs/Voices->Move to Staff Up > Staffs/Voices->Move to Staff Down Command: Move to Staff Up Moves the cursor to the staff above without altering selection. On the top staff it adds space above the staffs. Location: MainMenu->NavigationMenu->Cursor Internal Name: MoveToStaffUp When it says "the cursor" it is referring to the Denemo Cursor in the Denemo Display. Which is why it is in the Navigation menu. The help tool tip for the Change Staff is rather inadequate (again a sign of how old the command is), but it is correct - the "voice" moves to the staff you name - it asks you for a staff name. Having said that, trying it out, I see that the harp template had no sub-part name to differentiate the upper and lower staffs. You will have to add them yourself by clicking on the part name (Harp, colored green at the start of the staff) and giving a distinct sub part name to the two staffs. Only then can you say which of the two you want your voice to cross to. I've fixed the template now so that the upper has part name lh and the lower rh (I guess those are sensible names - if there is something more usual in harp circles let me know). Available in builds from tomorrow. Richard > > But when I try to change notes or add notes using this command, then > begin slur from the lower staff and end on the upper staff, it doesn't > connect them at all. > > > On Wednesday, October 12, 2016 9:46:15 PM PDT Richard Shann wrote: > > On Wed, 2016-10-12 at 11:59 -0700, Donald J. Stewart wrote: > > > What is the correct way to cross staves with a slur, as in harp or > > > keyboard > > > music? > > > > I think you have to use a single voice and make that change staffs > > (using Staffs/Voices->Change Staff). > > I think that LilyPond has a GSOC project for cross-voice slurs, but I > > think that is for the future. > > > > Richard > > > > > ___ > > > Denemo-devel mailing list > > > Denemo-devel@gnu.org > > > https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/denemo-devel > > ___ Denemo-devel mailing list Denemo-devel@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/denemo-devel
Re: [Denemo-devel] cross staff slurs
In my denemo version, I don't have ->Change Staff: I have something similar: Staffs/Voices->Move to Staff Up Staffs/Voices->Move to Staff Down But when I try to change notes or add notes using this command, then begin slur from the lower staff and end on the upper staff, it doesn't connect them at all. On Wednesday, October 12, 2016 9:46:15 PM PDT Richard Shann wrote: > On Wed, 2016-10-12 at 11:59 -0700, Donald J. Stewart wrote: > > What is the correct way to cross staves with a slur, as in harp or > > keyboard > > music? > > I think you have to use a single voice and make that change staffs > (using Staffs/Voices->Change Staff). > I think that LilyPond has a GSOC project for cross-voice slurs, but I > think that is for the future. > > Richard > > > ___ > > Denemo-devel mailing list > > Denemo-devel@gnu.org > > https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/denemo-devel ___ Denemo-devel mailing list Denemo-devel@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/denemo-devel
Re: [Denemo-devel] cross staff slurs
I see... When creating the full score I used: Staffs/Voices->Add Staff->Add Staff for Instrument selected 'Plucked Strings' and Harp.denemo (in templates) So my score is already 'set' I was wondering if there was a(n elegant) way to create these cross staff slurs in my harp part. On Wednesday, October 12, 2016 9:46:15 PM PDT Richard Shann wrote: > On Wed, 2016-10-12 at 11:59 -0700, Donald J. Stewart wrote: > > What is the correct way to cross staves with a slur, as in harp or > > keyboard > > music? > > I think you have to use a single voice and make that change staffs > (using Staffs/Voices->Change Staff). > I think that LilyPond has a GSOC project for cross-voice slurs, but I > think that is for the future. > > Richard > > > ___ > > Denemo-devel mailing list > > Denemo-devel@gnu.org > > https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/denemo-devel ___ Denemo-devel mailing list Denemo-devel@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/denemo-devel
Re: [Denemo-devel] cross staff slurs
On Wed, 2016-10-12 at 11:59 -0700, Donald J. Stewart wrote: > What is the correct way to cross staves with a slur, as in harp or keyboard > music? I think you have to use a single voice and make that change staffs (using Staffs/Voices->Change Staff). I think that LilyPond has a GSOC project for cross-voice slurs, but I think that is for the future. Richard > > ___ > Denemo-devel mailing list > Denemo-devel@gnu.org > https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/denemo-devel ___ Denemo-devel mailing list Denemo-devel@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/denemo-devel
[Denemo-devel] cross staff slurs
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