10.2 licensing issue...

2006-09-12 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr
I read Rick's note on the 10.2 licensing issue in an archive because of strange move to the user list, so sorry for the weird quoting : He said : I must report today that the restrictions imposed by the beta JDK license have not been lifted. As you know, the JDK 6 beta license requires

RE: 10.2 licensing issue...

2006-09-12 Thread Michael Segel
-Original Message- From: Geir Magnusson Jr [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2006 5:38 AM To: derby-user@db.apache.org Subject: 10.2 licensing issue... I read Rick's note on the 10.2 licensing issue in an archive because of strange move to the user list, so

Re: 10.2 licensing issue...

2006-09-12 Thread Rick Hillegas
Geir Magnusson Jr wrote: I read Rick's note on the 10.2 licensing issue in an archive because of strange move to the user list, so sorry for the weird quoting : He said : I must report today that the restrictions imposed by the beta JDK license have not been lifted. As you know, the JDK 6

Re: 10.2 licensing issue...

2006-09-12 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr
Rick Hillegas wrote: Geir Magnusson Jr wrote: I read Rick's note on the 10.2 licensing issue in an archive because of strange move to the user list, so sorry for the weird quoting : He said : I must report today that the restrictions imposed by the beta JDK license have not been

Re: 10.2 licensing issue...

2006-09-12 Thread dmclean62
-- Original message -- From: Geir Magnusson Jr [EMAIL PROTECTED] Rick Hillegas wrote: Geir Magnusson Jr wrote: I read Rick's note on the 10.2 licensing issue in an archive because of strange move to the user list, so sorry for the weird quoting

Re: 10.2 licensing issue...

2006-09-12 Thread Rick Hillegas
Geir Magnusson Jr wrote: Rick Hillegas wrote: Geir Magnusson Jr wrote: I read Rick's note on the 10.2 licensing issue in an archive because of strange move to the user list, so sorry for the weird quoting : He said : I must report today that the restrictions imposed by the beta JDK

Re: 10.2 licensing issue...

2006-09-12 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr
Rick Hillegas wrote: Geir Magnusson Jr wrote: Rick Hillegas wrote: Geir Magnusson Jr wrote: I read Rick's note on the 10.2 licensing issue in an archive because of strange move to the user list, so sorry for the weird quoting : He said : I must report today

Re: 10.2 licensing issue...

2006-09-12 Thread Craig L Russell
Hi Geir, On Sep 12, 2006, at 9:17 AM, Geir Magnusson Jr wrote: A) I couldn't figure out how to build the dummy jars without cribbing templates from either the beta code or beta javadoc. To me this cribbing seemed like a forbidden, productive use of the beta-licensed distribution. What's

Re: 10.2 licensing issue...

2006-09-12 Thread Craig L Russell
Hi Geir, On Sep 12, 2006, at 3:37 AM, Geir Magnusson Jr wrote: I read Rick's note on the 10.2 licensing issue in an archive because of strange move to the user list, so sorry for the weird quoting : This issue affects users of Derby just as much as developers. Users counting

Re: 10.2 licensing issue...

2006-09-12 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr
Craig L Russell wrote: Hi Geir, On Sep 12, 2006, at 9:17 AM, Geir Magnusson Jr wrote: A) I couldn't figure out how to build the dummy jars without cribbing templates from either the beta code or beta javadoc. To me this cribbing seemed like a forbidden, productive use of the beta-licensed

Re: 10.2 licensing issue...

2006-09-12 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr
Craig L Russell wrote: Hi Geir, On Sep 12, 2006, at 3:37 AM, Geir Magnusson Jr wrote: I read Rick's note on the 10.2 licensing issue in an archive because of strange move to the user list, so sorry for the weird quoting : This issue affects users of Derby just as much as developers

Re: 10.2 licensing issue...

2006-09-12 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr
Excuse me - I looked at the 220 license as noted by Craig below, not the *221* license, which is the one that actually applies. It turns out there are *no rights* enumerated for users as far as I can tell in the spec license. So the solution to this really annoying, tiresome and really avoidable

Re: 10.2 licensing issue...

2006-09-12 Thread Craig L Russell
Hi Geir, I hate to be the broken record, but there are real user compatibility issues in releasing a production version of software that depends on pre-release versions of software. Real users can get hurt. Craig On Sep 12, 2006, at 9:57 AM, Geir Magnusson Jr wrote: Excuse me - I looked

Re: 10.2 licensing issue...

2006-09-12 Thread Craig L Russell
On Sep 12, 2006, at 9:49 AM, Geir Magnusson Jr wrote: Craig L Russell wrote: Hi Geir, On Sep 12, 2006, at 3:37 AM, Geir Magnusson Jr wrote: I read Rick's note on the 10.2 licensing issue in an archive because of strange move to the user list, so sorry for the weird quoting

Re: 10.2 licensing issue...

2006-09-12 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr
Craig L Russell wrote: On Sep 12, 2006, at 9:49 AM, Geir Magnusson Jr wrote: Craig L Russell wrote: Hi Geir, On Sep 12, 2006, at 3:37 AM, Geir Magnusson Jr wrote: I read Rick's note on the 10.2 licensing issue in an archive because of strange move to the user list, so sorry

Re: 10.2 licensing issue...

2006-09-12 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr
Craig L Russell wrote: Hi Geir, I hate to be the broken record, but there are real user compatibility issues in releasing a production version of software that depends on pre-release versions of software. Real users can get hurt. Sure, and this is FUD at this point, because I don't

Re: 10.2 licensing issue...

2006-09-12 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr
: I read Rick's note on the 10.2 licensing issue in an archive because of strange move to the user list, so sorry for the weird quoting : He said : I must report today that the restrictions imposed by the beta JDK license have not been lifted. As you know, the JDK 6 beta license requires

Re: 10.2 licensing issue...

2006-09-12 Thread Rick Hillegas
-- From: Geir Magnusson Jr [EMAIL PROTECTED] Rick Hillegas wrote: Geir Magnusson Jr wrote: I read Rick's note on the 10.2 licensing issue in an archive because of strange move to the user list, so sorry for the weird quoting : He said : I must report

10.2 licensing issue

2006-09-11 Thread Rick Hillegas
I must report today that the restrictions imposed by the beta JDK license have not been lifted. As you know, the JDK 6 beta license requires a disclaimer that bars the use of the code for any productive use. This restriction is meant to forestall binary incompatibilities with the final, GA

Re: 10.2 licensing issue

2006-09-11 Thread Jean T. Anderson
Wow! Thanks for the update, Rick. I agree that option #1 (release 10.2 without JDBC 4) is best. -jean Rick Hillegas wrote: I must report today that the restrictions imposed by the beta JDK license have not been lifted. As you know, the JDK 6 beta license requires a disclaimer that bars the

Re: 10.2 licensing issue

2006-09-11 Thread Andrew McIntyre
On 9/11/06, Rick Hillegas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I can see two alternatives for us: 1. Ship 10.2 on the current schedule but do not include the JDBC4 drivers. When run on Java SE 6, Derby 10.2 would continue to expose our JDBC3 implementation. In addition, we would remove JDBC4-specific

Re: 10.2 licensing issue

2006-09-11 Thread Rick Hillegas
Andrew McIntyre wrote: On 9/11/06, Rick Hillegas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I can see two alternatives for us: 1. Ship 10.2 on the current schedule but do not include the JDBC4 drivers. When run on Java SE 6, Derby 10.2 would continue to expose our JDBC3 implementation. In addition, we

Re: 10.2 licensing issue

2006-09-11 Thread Kathey Marsden
Rick Hillegas wrote: I can see two alternatives for us: 1. Ship 10.2 on the current schedule but do not include the JDBC4 drivers. When run on Java SE 6, Derby 10.2 would continue to expose our JDBC3 implementation. In addition, we would remove JDBC4-specific documentation from our user