Re: [libreoffice-design] Idea: command launcher for LibreOffice
Hy every one ! What you are speaking here make me think about MAC osx help system. You type what you want to do and it open the good menu for you. I do not have a MAC myself so I can't make capture but I'm sure there are a lot easily findable on YouTube or other. It's a great way to help AND learn AND save time I think. Maybe we could think about a similar system ? Kévin --- Sent from gmail for Android Le 25 oct. 2011 23:00, Christoph Noack christ...@dogmatux.com a écrit : Hi Oren, all! Dear designers, I had to moderate Oren's mail and already included a quick reply with a proposal from some time ago (see below, please). Am Dienstag, den 25.10.2011, 22:29 +0200 schrieb Oren Barnea: On Tue, Oct 25, 2011 at 22:09, Christoph Noack christ...@dogmatux.com wrote: [...] Concerning your idea ... yes, we had some similar proposals some years ago, but we didn't get that far to consider it / implement it. If you like, please have a look at: http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Proposal_by_Andreas_Schuderer#Keyboard_Command_Invocation [...] Thank you for the link to the proposal from a few years ago. It's very well written and quite convincing IMHO... Do you happen to remember why it didn't even get considered? I read somewhere that after the split from OO.o, the development of LibreOffice became quicker and more flexible - do you think there's a chance that the idea that got rejected back then might be getting a warmer welcome now? It didn't get considered, since we brainstormed about new ways to access functionality ... first, we needed improved menus (the command invocation was something optional), then it was prototyped, then it became clear that before any changes OOo needed to be cleaned up first, then we got the first results in Impress, and then ... well the story of LibO :-) Surely, the LibreOffice development became quicker and more flexible ... because many developers are free to decide on their tasks and time. This means we need to find someone who likes this idea. One, who may start doing a simple proof-of-concept via an extensions (or something like that). In this case, it needs asking them ... any developer around who might know whom to ping? Some years ago, I also thought a bit about such an issue ... for example something like an Awesome Bar (see Firefox) for OOo/LibO. * Enter a word ... it's a term in the document as well? Then show the function to search / jump to that word. * Enter a number ... it's a heading? Then resolve it to a cross-reference. * Enter a function ... maybe the user needs help as well. Offer to go to the help topic. * ... You'll get the point ;-) But first, let's have some room for the others as well ... Cheers, Christoph Am Dienstag, den 25.10.2011, 10:11 +0200 schrieb Oren Barnea: Hello, Here's an idea aimed at helping with the long-standing problem of the huge number of commands, options and menu items in office suites, and their low discoverability. It's more of an adaptation of existing ideas, actually. Desktop application launchers (Gnome-Do, Katapult, Synapse and their likes) have been around for years and IMHO are a very convenient way of executing applications, launching files and so on. Recently they have gone more mainstream, as Windows 7, Gnome Shell and Unity all have similar functionality built into their interfaces. I think an office suite could benefit from having a similar interface as a way to improve the efficiency of work and the discoverability of the commands and options available to the user, since the traditional menu structure and the newer Ribbon style are both lacking in this. As a first step to implement this idea, I think it might be possible to create an index of the texts in the localization files of LibreOffice, which include all the commands, options and word in dialog boxes that a user might want to execute. Once the index exists, a plug-in can be written to launch a search box that lets the user type what they want to do, search the index for the typed text, show the user a list of items that fit that text and execute the selected item. I don't know how difficult or easy it would be to do this. Maybe the suggested way of implementing this idea is not even possible (I'm actually not sure there is a way to map the indexed words to the actual commands, and if there isn't one, what would it take to create it.) I have to say that I'm not a software developer and I know almost nothing about the structure of LibreOffice. Everything I wrote about the implementation of this idea might be totally wrong. I know that some of the things I talk about don't even belong to this specific mailing list, but I think this is the right place to suggest this idea. I would be very happy to hear your opinions about
Re: [libreoffice-design] Idea: command launcher for LibreOffice
I didn't know about this feature of OS X. Turns out it's been around since 2006! Here's a short video demonstrating it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WScF1OAL094 The notes under the video say that It works in all programs, even Photoshop. Does it work in LibreOffice under OS X? :) Thanks for this Kévin, very interesting. On Sat, Oct 29, 2011 at 11:51, Kévin PEIGNOT peignot.ke...@kpeignot.frwrote: Hy every one ! What you are speaking here make me think about MAC osx help system. You type what you want to do and it open the good menu for you. I do not have a MAC myself so I can't make capture but I'm sure there are a lot easily findable on YouTube or other. It's a great way to help AND learn AND save time I think. Maybe we could think about a similar system ? Kévin --- Sent from gmail for Android Le 25 oct. 2011 23:00, Christoph Noack christ...@dogmatux.com a écrit : Hi Oren, all! Dear designers, I had to moderate Oren's mail and already included a quick reply with a proposal from some time ago (see below, please). Am Dienstag, den 25.10.2011, 22:29 +0200 schrieb Oren Barnea: On Tue, Oct 25, 2011 at 22:09, Christoph Noack christ...@dogmatux.com wrote: [...] Concerning your idea ... yes, we had some similar proposals some years ago, but we didn't get that far to consider it / implement it. If you like, please have a look at: http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Proposal_by_Andreas_Schuderer#Keyboard_Command_Invocation [...] Thank you for the link to the proposal from a few years ago. It's very well written and quite convincing IMHO... Do you happen to remember why it didn't even get considered? I read somewhere that after the split from OO.o, the development of LibreOffice became quicker and more flexible - do you think there's a chance that the idea that got rejected back then might be getting a warmer welcome now? It didn't get considered, since we brainstormed about new ways to access functionality ... first, we needed improved menus (the command invocation was something optional), then it was prototyped, then it became clear that before any changes OOo needed to be cleaned up first, then we got the first results in Impress, and then ... well the story of LibO :-) Surely, the LibreOffice development became quicker and more flexible ... because many developers are free to decide on their tasks and time. This means we need to find someone who likes this idea. One, who may start doing a simple proof-of-concept via an extensions (or something like that). In this case, it needs asking them ... any developer around who might know whom to ping? Some years ago, I also thought a bit about such an issue ... for example something like an Awesome Bar (see Firefox) for OOo/LibO. * Enter a word ... it's a term in the document as well? Then show the function to search / jump to that word. * Enter a number ... it's a heading? Then resolve it to a cross-reference. * Enter a function ... maybe the user needs help as well. Offer to go to the help topic. * ... You'll get the point ;-) But first, let's have some room for the others as well ... Cheers, Christoph Am Dienstag, den 25.10.2011, 10:11 +0200 schrieb Oren Barnea: Hello, Here's an idea aimed at helping with the long-standing problem of the huge number of commands, options and menu items in office suites, and their low discoverability. It's more of an adaptation of existing ideas, actually. Desktop application launchers (Gnome-Do, Katapult, Synapse and their likes) have been around for years and IMHO are a very convenient way of executing applications, launching files and so on. Recently they have gone more mainstream, as Windows 7, Gnome Shell and Unity all have similar functionality built into their interfaces. I think an office suite could benefit from having a similar interface as a way to improve the efficiency of work and the discoverability of the commands and options available to the user, since the traditional menu structure and the newer Ribbon style are both lacking in this. As a first step to implement this idea, I think it might be possible to create an index of the texts in the localization files of LibreOffice, which include all the commands, options and word in dialog boxes that a user might want to execute. Once the index exists, a plug-in can be written to launch a search box that lets the user type what they want to do, search the index for the typed text, show the user a list of items that fit that text and execute the selected item. I don't know how difficult or easy it would be to do this. Maybe the suggested way of implementing this idea is not even possible (I'm actually not sure there is a way to
Re: [libreoffice-design] I'm going to leave the community - thanks to all of you!
Bernhard Dippold wrote: From now on I will try to spend more time with the most important people in my real life: my children and my friends. Even if I like being here very much, real life is more important - and if you understand that you have to spend your time wisely, your decision is clear... Hi Bernhard, it's of course with sadness that I read your words, but at the same time I can only assure you that you made the right decision - never compromise on the ones closest to you, and even more so for kids. Thanks for all the great work you did - and be proud that some very visible parts of LibreOffice were made by you. Cheers, -- Thorsten -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
