Re: [libreoffice-design] easy proposals now in my page

[klaus-jürgen weghorn ol]

Hi Michel, *,
Am 29.05.2012 18:41, schrieb Michel RENON:

Hi,

To make it easier to read, I uploaded my 2 recents proposals in my wiki
page :
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/User:Michelr
- enhancement for bullets and numbering icons


Is it necessary to have the comment "default" (because this is a box of 
choice)?

It will get smarter when we have no comment.


- new insert menu in Writer


1 Why are there two points: "Page Break" and "Manual Break..."? And why 
are they not side by side? Finding the second is much more difficult 
when you see the first. (To insert a page break quickly you use 
. So this part won't be necessary for the profis.)

2 I would expect the "Footnote" in the section Footer, Indexes etc.
3 Is "Picture from Scan..." a less or a rarely used feature? I think 
that most people scan the picture with a graphic program. At least 
because there is no easy handle with this in Writer (e.g. turning 90°)
4 What to you expect with "Picture/movie/sound from Gallery..."? Is this 
item necessary?



Please reply with any comments, questions, or concerns.


Done


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[libreoffice-design] easy proposals now in my page

[Michel RENON]

Hi,

To make it easier to read, I uploaded my 2 recents proposals in my wiki 
page :

https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/User:Michelr
- enhancement for bullets and numbering icons
- new insert menu in Writer

Please reply with any comments, questions, or concerns.

Thanks,
Michel

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[libreoffice-design] Re: New Design for the Design Page

[Marc Paré]

Hi Mirek

Le 2012-05-29 02:20, Mirek M. a écrit :



Basically, what we're doing now is trying to find a workflow that produces
the best design, trying to determine how to work as a community, finding
ways to interact with both our user base and the developer community, and
trying to get more people involved.

The focus of our work doesn't change, though. We still do visual and
interactive design, not only for the LibreOffice software, but also for any
of the LibreOffice teams should they require it. In other words, we will
continue to work with the marketing team.

Or is there anything about our recent endeavors that you feel would make it
hard to cooperate?



No problem, just making sure that other design needs for the community 
are not forgotten. :-)


Cheers,

Marc


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Re: [libreoffice-design] Re: Design for the split controls and tabs

[Andrew Pullins]

Hello,

When moving the bottom split control it is possible to messes up the tabs,
or at least it may seem to some users that they have messed up the tabs.
 if you drag it all the way to the left the tabs shrink till there is
nothing but a slider. could the tabs be moved to the top like in a browser?
perhaps blow the tool bar and above the formula bar?

Cheers,
Andrew

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Re: [libreoffice-design] proposal for an easy design hack

[Alexander Wilms]

Hi Michel,

That looks really good.

Do you think you could get in contact with a developer?

Alex


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[libreoffice-design] Next year: opportunity for professional silk-screen LibreOffice swag production

[Thorsten Behrens]

Hi there,

while at LinuxTag last weekend, I chatted with the girl, running the
resident swag shop there, nicely located at the main entrance / exit
aisle.

Her deal is to produce real silk-screened cotton prints (on
http://www.basic-wear-gmbh.de/ basics currently), sell them at the
venue rather affordably, and afterwards hand over the remaining
stock to the projects for her base price (which is low, due to the
volume she buys).

Something to ponder at least I think. She asks for some 6 weeks
advance notice, I'll stick that to my calendar just in case.

Cheers,

-- Thorsten

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[libreoffice-design] Tentative design Android file viewer

[Alexander Wilms]

Hi everyone,

who would volunteer to take care of the file viever design? It's not 
clear whether the GSoC student will start coding the file manager or the 
viewer, thus it'd be nice if we could get this done now.


Cheers

Alex


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Re: [libreoffice-design] UX@LibreOffice Conference in Berlin?

[Christoph Noack]

Hi Björn!

Am Dienstag, den 29.05.2012, 13:00 +0200 schrieb Björn Balazs:
> So: who is coming to the LibreOffice Conference in Berlin? How do you like 
> the 
> idea of proposing a usability / ux track for the conference? Who would be 
> interested in presenting something there?

I'll try to be there ... :-)

A usability or UX track would be great, although I'm not sure whether I
can prepare something "big". Personally, I think a few workshops for
doing some UX planning / design together would be nice as well.

What do the others think?

Cheers,
Christoph

PS: http://conference.libreoffice.org/


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Re: [libreoffice-design] proposal for writer's Insert menu

[Steve Edmonds]

On 2012-05-29 19:59, Michel RENON wrote:

Hi,

As I proposed during my last chat participation, here is another easy 
design hack : a modification of Writer's Insert menu.
I find today's insert menu not very usefull : most used commands are 
everywhere, beside unused commands.


Here is my proposal :
http://michel.renon.free.fr/LibreOffice/propal_menu_insert_20120529.pdf

You can see that there is little work to implement :
- most menus are just moved
- few are new menus that links to existing commands
- just need to write 2 new commands (that are shorcuts to already 
implemented feature : insert spreasheet and insert drawing)


If you find it interesting, I may propose the same for Calc, Impress 
and Draw.


Thanks,

Michel

Hi.
Good work Michel. Possibly a survey would be useful.
For me and my work your order is less used at the top, the standard 
order is more useful but not optimum (I would have Frame, Table and 
Picture above header and footer based on standard usage), so for 
different people and uses the order may differ. For Calc, Writer and 
Impress usage would differ also.

steve

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Re: [libreoffice-design] Re: Design for the split controls and tabs

[Alexander Wilms]

Hi Jan,

thanks for your efforts :)

Do you think you could make the tabs look like normal gtk+ tabs and let 
them adapt to the theme?


Additionally, I'm wondering whether you could remove the indicator in 
the status bar that shows whether a document has been changed since the 
last time it was saved. Why not just use an asterisk (*) in the window 
border, like gedit, glade etc?


Example for a changed document: *ShakespeareEssay.odt - 
LibreOffice
if there are no changes to be saved: 
ShakespeareEssay.odt - LibreOffice


Kind Regards

Alex



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[libreoffice-design] Re: Design for the split controls and tabs

[Mirek M.]

Hi Kendy,

2012/5/29 Jan Holesovsky 

> Hi Mirek, Astron, all,
>
> In my quest for nicer LO, I noticed that we should probably improve the
> look of the split controls and tabs in Calc:
>
>
> http://artax.karlin.mff.cuni.cz/~kendy/design-list/calc-needed-improvements.png
>
> By 'split controls' I mean the black bars on the right, tabs are on the
> left.  At the moment I think the split controls are those that need the
> improvements more prominently, as at the moment, they look like a
> rendering mistake, and not something that you can click and drag :-)
>
> Ideally if you can give me a mockup (made from a screenshot) showing how
> it would look in use + a separate picture of the control itself.
> Currently the split controls are 3 pixels thick, but I think it
> shouldn't be a problem to do them eg. 5 pixels if you think it would be
> better from the usability point of view
>

Screenshot of Calc with both a new scrubber and new tabs:
https://docs.google.com/open?id=0B_RBf0YVtxzkZFJTRWFZREN3TWs
Picture of scrubber alone:
https://docs.google.com/open?id=0B_RBf0YVtxzkMF9vVXpoQ3I4bm8

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Re: [libreoffice-design] UX@LibreOffice Conference in Berlin?

[Kévin PEIGNOT]

Hi Björn, Hi all
2012/5/29 Björn Balazs 

> Hi all,
>
> I think it is more than time to actually meet in person.
>
> So: who is coming to the LibreOffice Conference in Berlin?

I would love that... But I don't know : I'm not even sure if I would have a
job these times !

> How do you like the idea of proposing a usability / ux track for the
> conference?

Great idea, it could improve dev interest in design.

> Who would be
> interested in presenting something there?
>
Nope, I'm not enough good nor involved these days.

Kévin

>
> Cheers,
> Björn
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[libreoffice-design] UX@LibreOffice Conference in Berlin?

[Björn Balazs]

Hi all,

I think it is more than time to actually meet in person. 

So: who is coming to the LibreOffice Conference in Berlin? How do you like the 
idea of proposing a usability / ux track for the conference? Who would be 
interested in presenting something there?

Cheers,
Björn
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www.OpenSource-Usability-Labs.com

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[libreoffice-design] Re: Impress remote: Tentative design

[Muthu Subramanian K]

Hi Mirek,

Sorry for the delayed reply...was on vacation until yesterday.
Quick comments: Some really nice designs there...Specifically, I liked 
the idea of dropping the 'previous' screen and showing only the current 
and the next.


Do you have the png/image cutouts for some quick experiments, please?
(Of course, we have some time for that - I believe we would need to 
first implement some core parts before this(?) Andrzej?)


Thanks!
Muthu Subramanian


On 05/25/2012 07:55 PM, Mirek M. wrote:

Hi Andrej, hi Muthu,
The tentative design for the remote control is just about done:
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design/Whiteboards/Impress_remote#Tentative_Design
Please reply with any comments, questions, or concerns.
Thanks. :)



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[libreoffice-design] proposal for writer's Insert menu

[Michel RENON]

Hi,

As I proposed during my last chat participation, here is another easy 
design hack : a modification of Writer's Insert menu.
I find today's insert menu not very usefull : most used commands are 
everywhere, beside unused commands.


Here is my proposal :
http://michel.renon.free.fr/LibreOffice/propal_menu_insert_20120529.pdf

You can see that there is little work to implement :
- most menus are just moved
- few are new menus that links to existing commands
- just need to write 2 new commands (that are shorcuts to already 
implemented feature : insert spreasheet and insert drawing)


If you find it interesting, I may propose the same for Calc, Impress and 
Draw.


Thanks,

Michel

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[libreoffice-design] Re: Impress remote: Tentative design

[Mirek M.]

2012/5/29 Muthu Subramanian K 

> Hi Mirek,
>
> Sorry for the delayed reply...was on vacation until yesterday.
> Quick comments: Some really nice designs there...Specifically, I liked the
> idea of dropping the 'previous' screen and showing only the current and the
> next.
>
> Do you have the png/image cutouts for some quick experiments, please?

(Of course, we have some time for that - I believe we would need to first
> implement some core parts before this(?) Andrzej?)
>

Not sure what exactly you mean by image cutouts.
The source for the images is in Inkscape SVG format at
https://docs.google.com/open?id=0B_RBf0YVtxzkV3VVdnpuNEZySVU, which you can
play with to your heart's pleasure.
If you meant something else, could you specify your requirements?

>
> Thanks!
> Muthu Subramanian
>
>
>
> On 05/25/2012 07:55 PM, Mirek M. wrote:
>
>> Hi Andrej, hi Muthu,
>> The tentative design for the remote control is just about done:
>> https://wiki.**documentfoundation.org/Design/**
>> Whiteboards/Impress_remote#**Tentative_Design
>> Please reply with any comments, questions, or concerns.
>> Thanks. :)
>>
>

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[libreoffice-design] Design for the split controls and tabs

[Jan Holesovsky]

Hi Mirek, Astron, all,

In my quest for nicer LO, I noticed that we should probably improve the
look of the split controls and tabs in Calc:

http://artax.karlin.mff.cuni.cz/~kendy/design-list/calc-needed-improvements.png

By 'split controls' I mean the black bars on the right, tabs are on the
left.  At the moment I think the split controls are those that need the
improvements more prominently, as at the moment, they look like a
rendering mistake, and not something that you can click and drag :-)

Ideally if you can give me a mockup (made from a screenshot) showing how
it would look in use + a separate picture of the control itself.
Currently the split controls are 3 pixels thick, but I think it
shouldn't be a problem to do them eg. 5 pixels if you think it would be
better from the usability point of view

Thank you a lot!

All the best,
Kendy


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Re: [libreoffice-design] Re: EPS logo

[Isabelle Boulet]

Hi all, 


Thanks for all your help, my graphic designer told me that she eventually 
managed to tweak the logo into a way that works for our purpose. 


Many thanks once again, 


Isabelle 

- Original Message -

From: "Stefan Knorr (Astron)"  
To: design@global.libreoffice.org 
Cc: "Isabelle B"  
Sent: Saturday, May 26, 2012 2:47:23 PM 
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-design] Re: EPS logo 

Hi all, 

Now that Sveinn posted her results ... I see the problem (yes, even 
with the PDF's linked to). 

I tried to coerce Inkscape into giving me useful EPS files ... but it 
doesn't look like it can. Thus, here's my try at helping: I exported 
it to a srsly large PNG. It is still in RGB mode, but given the fact 
that I have zero experience whatsoever with CMYK and I recently 
learned that generic CMYK is often less than helpful [1]... Anyway, 
this is the file: 
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:Extlogolrg.png 

You'll notice that I edited the logo a bit, the text is now vertically 
centered, and I enforced the "half width of the document symbol on 
each side" rule. Hope that helps, if not ... I can probably check 
Scribus if it can export in a useful way. However, can you ask your 
designer if he couldn't just go with the SVG? (The rumours about 
needing Vegur are unfounded by the way.) 


Astron. 

[1] http://blog.mmiworks.net/2009/05/gimp-enter.html 


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