[libreoffice-design] Notebookbar out of Experimental
Hi, I know the notebookbar implementation has bugs but it's under development since around 4 years and on each release the news pages wrote about this experimental feature. I talked at Munich Hackfest about the big open bugs - bad keyboard navigation you can use F6 like in every other LibO app (F6 switch from Menubar to Toolbar to NB to Sidebar), but it would be awesome if svtlo-ManagedMenuButton will support keyboard shortcut focus if menubar is hidden and also sfxlo-NotebookbarToolBox widgets which was used to add the different uno commands didn't work with F6 -> tab I hope to get some patches to fix this issue, you are welcome to help. - chart didn't support NB the chart bug (if you open an chart in writer you see the notebookbar and the toolbar) can be fixed by add an NB to chart module (which I can do) and use this NB instead of the chart toolbar. But there is no progress in this change cause chart if different from other modules. - OS-X glitches on OS-X there are several UI issues. I don't have an Mac so I can't say to much. The biggest issue is that there is NO developer working on the NB stuff. We talk each release to bring NB out of experimental. As there is no real progress (excluding the ui files) I recommend to bring some implementations (tabbed, groupedbar) ouf of experimental for 6.2. Than we get more user feedback and maybe some new developers. cheers Andreas_K -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
[libreoffice-design] Plone site & grief (was: Topic for design team to investigate: Content hosting consolidation on ask.libreoffice.org)
Hi Andi, first off, I'm very sorry these things seem to have taken a turn for the worse. I'm trying to move this part of the discussion now off the design list, and onto board-discuss, as it seems to primarily deal with interaction style, within & from the board. So Fup2 board-discuss please. Beyond some details below, where I'd love to get to is getting over personal gripes eventually (on all sides - happy to call you any time, to hear what you'd expect here!); perhaps with a way to keep you engaged with the community you've helped building, but at least with a way for the project to keep the Plone sites running properly for the while. Andreas Mantke wrote: > There were no real internal discussions with the board about issues. > Not to put too fine a point on it - but we discussed the issues around the queue of pending submissions e.g. in January & February this year, on the infra/hostmaster list. Also in 2016, a discussion not too different from the one here took place inside the board, when looking for options to go beyond the first version of the template & extension site. > But afterwards I was kicked out by this thread. I'm not used to be > pilloried for my work during my spare time. And maybe others too. > Please don't take this as pillorying you. If it came across like that - apologies. In fact, without the original Plone sites, LibreOffice wouldn't have had a templates & extension repo for a long time, and no one disputes the relevance of that. What we're trying to do here, is to move beyond the sole-developer / sole-admin situation that is manifest since quite a few years (and I can well believe how much of a personal burden that must have been). I therefore hope we can all agree that the current setup is not very sustainable, and work constructively from there. All the very best, -- Thorsten -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
Re: [libreoffice-design] Topic for design team to investigate: Content hosting consolidation on ask.libreoffice.org
Hello, Am 05.11.18 um 09:58 schrieb Bjoern Michaelsen: > Hello Andreas, > > Thanks for joining the discussion. first of all, I didn't join the discussion and currently I'm out. > > On Sat, Nov 03, 2018 at 10:56:56PM +0100, Andreas Mantke wrote: >> FYI: because I felt this way of communication inside the project lacked >> the necessary respect for the volunteer work done for about seven years >> during spare time, I stopped my work for the project and the website >> with immidiate effect. I was never included in any discussion about the >> site before this thread (or better threat) was started. I think this is >> a behavior that is not appropriate to an open source project that define >> itself as open and transparent. > Im sorry that you feel that way. However, the Board and -- I am sure the > community too -- are deeply grateful for your work here; and as you've been a > member of the Board from the start, you were included in all discussions -- > both internal and external -- about the struggle around that site though. Sorry, that I didn't share your view here. There were no real internal discussions with the board about issues. The last discussion about the topic extensions website happened during the board call at 27 Feb. 2017. The summary was 'everyone happy - good work'. > > The Good Thing is, this thread did yield at least three volunteers from the > LibreOffice community wanting to help out with the extension website now that > they are aware: Maarten, Ilmari and Andreas Kainz. From what I heard, some > have > tried to contact you on how to get involved or proceed, but unfortunately were > unable to succeed. > Andreas was not unable. He got an Plone test instance, that I already created for him. I don't know, if he used it already. But afterwards I was kicked out by this thread. I'm not used to be pilloried for my work during my spare time. And maybe others too. Kind regards, Andreas -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
[libreoffice-design] Pad for the annual report
Hi all, The pad available to collect the activities of the community is of great help for Italo and Mike when they write the annual report, they don't have to search right and left for all of what happen in our vibrant project :) https://pad.documentfoundation.org/p/annualreport Could you take care to fill this year activities in your area? Thanks a lot in advance! Cheers Sophie -- Sophie Gautier sophie.gaut...@documentfoundation.org GSM: +33683901545 IRC: sophi Release coordinator The Document Foundation -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
Re: [libreoffice-design] Topic for design team to investigate: Content hosting consolidation on ask.libreoffice.org
Hello Andreas, Thanks for joining the discussion. On Sat, Nov 03, 2018 at 10:56:56PM +0100, Andreas Mantke wrote: > FYI: because I felt this way of communication inside the project lacked > the necessary respect for the volunteer work done for about seven years > during spare time, I stopped my work for the project and the website > with immidiate effect. I was never included in any discussion about the > site before this thread (or better threat) was started. I think this is > a behavior that is not appropriate to an open source project that define > itself as open and transparent. Im sorry that you feel that way. However, the Board and -- I am sure the community too -- are deeply grateful for your work here; and as you've been a member of the Board from the start, you were included in all discussions -- both internal and external -- about the struggle around that site though. The Good Thing is, this thread did yield at least three volunteers from the LibreOffice community wanting to help out with the extension website now that they are aware: Maarten, Ilmari and Andreas Kainz. From what I heard, some have tried to contact you on how to get involved or proceed, but unfortunately were unable to succeed. > Thus the extensions and templates website is not maintained since three > weeks yet. I will only spend my spare time for tasks where I get in > return respectful treatment and honest feedback. That is of course deeply unfortunate, but I thank you that you inform us about this now. Checking back, I learned the TDF infrastructure team is already aware of this, but still lacks some bits and pieces of how to operate the site - would be great if you can share those with them, here or in private, so that that handover can be closed. Beyond the immdiate issues: Thank you for the time and the work you put in the extension website over the all the years. For all the other stuff going on in the project, we often lost sight of it being an important entrypoint to the community and the ecosystem around LibreOffice. Whatever the volunteers of the LibreOffice community come up with for the future of hosting LibreOffice extensions, we would be happy to welcome you back to that someday. Best, Bjoern -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
