Re: [libreoffice-design] Minutes from the UX/design meeting 2022-May-19

2022-05-19 Thread Eyal Rozenberg
So, about https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=143197 ... The bug author, ajlittoz, wrote: > to be honest, it took me years to develop a satisfactory mental model, though I read thoroughly the available documentation I had asked on the bug page regarding whether or not this

Re: Fwd: [libreoffice-design] Re: Questions on UX/Design category on Discourse

2022-05-13 Thread Eyal Rozenberg
On 13/05/2022 19:40, Heiko Tietze wrote: Discourse is no bells and whistles It has: * Moving content * Dozens of pictures in the window * Hundreds of visual elements, if we include all of the labels, and badges, and what-not That's bells and whistles. TBH though, I haven't seen what the

Re: Fwd: [libreoffice-design] Re: Questions on UX/Design category on Discourse

2022-05-14 Thread Eyal Rozenberg
Ok, so, I have to take back what I said, because I conflated Discourse with Discord (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1zSXh4a_1eg shows you what Discord is like) I take it that the LO discourse would look like this: https://ask.libreoffice.org/ but not for users to ask support questions? And

Re: [libreoffice-design] UX/Design meeting on Wed Jul/13 with PolyPoly about collecting user data

2022-06-30 Thread Eyal Rozenberg
I am staunchly opposed to LO shipping with any sort of data collection by default. It's better not to have user metrics then to install spyware. I would only accept something which meets the following criteria: 1. An add-on; not included in the default installer. 2. Not directly suggested to

Re: [libreoffice-design] Minutes from the UX/design meeting 2022-Jul-13

2022-07-13 Thread Eyal Rozenberg
There are a more concerns, and questions, and potential answers to questions. These include additions I've made after the session concluded, based partially on my points in the chat, and as suggested I do by Heiko. For now I'll just add the Questions section after my additions. Questions +

Re: [libreoffice-design] Minutes from the UX/design meeting 2022-Jul-13

2022-07-13 Thread Eyal Rozenberg
On 14/07/2022 0:44, John Mills wrote: Do you consider people manipulated by asking them an unambiguous question that would default to no? "Would you like to place a bet of 100 EUR on a die roll, winning an extra 100 on a 6 and losing otherwise? [N/Y]: N_ Suppose I ask a million people this

Re: [libreoffice-design] Agenda for the design/UX meeting 2022-Oct-12 (WED)

2022-10-12 Thread Eyal Rozenberg
Hello Heiko and list denizens, I'm going to _try_ and make it to this week's meeting, but it's unlikely I'll be available before 21:00 CEST. I realize that the meeting is held when it is held, and a later time may not be convenient for you, but if it so happens that some of you (or Heiko, if

Re: [libreoffice-design] Re: [New post] Community support needed: We want to use our users personal data

2022-11-01 Thread Eyal Rozenberg
of course. Besides disliking the phrasing of your concerns I wonder what alternatives you have in mind. Or do you reject the need for user data? All good questions to discuss at the right place, and that's what the blog post is for. On 01.11.22 16:34, Eyal Rozenberg wrote: What, this again?

Re: [libreoffice-design] Minutes from the UX/design meeting 2023-Jan-12

2023-01-12 Thread Eyal Rozenberg
I have to protest meeting in which most bugs up for discussion are ones I've either filed or have been part of the discussion on, scheduled without consulting me regarding the time. I'm at work in the afternoon and can usually not attend at these hours. And then of course when I'm not there,

Re: [libreoffice-design] New LibreOffice user experience designer

2022-11-18 Thread Eyal Rozenberg
I have some suggestions on more self-educative work, if I may, rather than helping with something concrete: 1. Obligatory pitch due to being an RTL language guy: Our languages, as well as CJK languages, have many particular issues with LO, which are usually due to original software developers

Re: [libreoffice-design] Minutes from the UX/design meeting 2022-Nov-17

2022-11-17 Thread Eyal Rozenberg
On 17/11/2022 16:28, Heiko Tietze wrote:  * Allow regular deletion of selection containing an entire    generated index/table    + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=152030    + at creation time and later it is possible to unset the protection flag    + the context menu

Re: [libreoffice-design] Minutes from the UX/design meeting 2022-Nov-03

2022-11-04 Thread Eyal Rozenberg
On 03/11/2022 15:20, Heiko Tietze wrote:  * Writer: Caption strings should be set to document language instead    of UI language    + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=151020    + use translation from PS for variable names requested on ask.libo (André)    + not much of

[libreoffice-design] Re: [New post] Community support needed: We want to use our users personal data

2022-11-01 Thread Eyal Rozenberg
What, this again? polypoly is a commercial enterprise planning to make money by selling the results of spying on people. Not to mention that it makes Euro-nationalist arguments about how it's important for European commercial entities rather than non-European ones to profit from spying on

Re: [libreoffice-design] Agenda for the design/UX meeting 2023-Mar-15 (WED)

2023-03-07 Thread Eyal Rozenberg
Thanks for posting this a week in advance. Can I ask for a deferment of discussion of the issues I've opened (all of these I think) to a week later? I will be traveling for a family occasion between the 14th and the 17th and will not be able to make it. I promise not to complain about other

Re: [libreoffice-design] Minutes from the UX/design meeting 2023-Feb-15

2023-02-16 Thread Eyal Rozenberg
the modification. Please don't understand input from UX as a gatekeeper to the development, you are free to reopen tickets and seek for response from other people. Cheers, Heiko On 15.02.23 22:41, Eyal Rozenberg wrote: Heiko, you again scheduled bugs of mine for a discussion without taking

Re: [libreoffice-design] Minutes from the UX/design meeting 2023-Apr-12

2023-04-12 Thread Eyal Rozenberg
Sorry for missing the session today... I'll have to comment offline. It's always difficult to "argue" with the minutes, but I guess there's no getting around it. So, here is the part of the minutes I am concerned about: On 12/04/2023 21:44, Heiko Tietze wrote:  * Rename Presentation Styles

Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: [libreoffice-design] Moving to LibreOffice 8?

2023-04-06 Thread Eyal Rozenberg
ers (for both enterprise and individual profiles).  I'm not saying that we should embrace the Firefox approach, but thinking about Italo's idea (8 <-> infinite), I guess the message of this version could be consolidation, not exactly innovation. Best Gustavo On Tue, Mar 28, 2023 at 4

Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: [libreoffice-design] Moving to LibreOffice 8?

2023-04-06 Thread Eyal Rozenberg
To put last thing first: I'm not staunchly opposed to bumping the version number to 8. So think of this as a theoretical discussion. Anyway... Noting Italo's explanation that: > 80% (and probably more) of what we communicate is targeted to "normal" software users, and not to community members

Re: [libreoffice-design] Moving to LibreOffice 8?

2023-03-28 Thread Eyal Rozenberg
I respectfully disagree with Italo. First, about the "frame of reference". In my opinion, decisions such as major version number bumping are not, first and foremost, marketing decisions. That is a _consideration_, since the version number is declarative than technical. But - such an action

Re: [libreoffice-design] Minutes from the UX/design meeting 2023-Mar-29

2023-03-29 Thread Eyal Rozenberg
Regarding bug 153899, "Clone format of unmerged cells breaks up merging, applies to first unmerged cell only" So the two pertinent questions brought up in the bug (in comment 4) are: Q1: Should "being merged" be considered one of the formatting properties of a cell? Q2: If "being merged"

Re: [libreoffice-design] Minutes from the UX/design meeting 2023-Feb-15

2023-02-15 Thread Eyal Rozenberg
Heiko, you again scheduled bugs of mine for a discussion without taking a moment to check whether I can join the meeting. I asked you not to do that and I'm asking you again. This is unfair, especially after I've explicitly asked that you not do that. The treatment of these bugs is usually

Re: [libreoffice-design] Minutes from the UX/design meeting 2023-Feb-15

2023-02-15 Thread Eyal Rozenberg
asoning, without getting inside the head of whoever set the current state of affairs. On 16/02/2023 1:39, toki wrote: On 15/02/2023 21:41, Eyal Rozenberg wrote: objections or claims which I would probably be able to convincingly rebut or disprove are stated and accepted with no retort or objectio

Re: [libreoffice-design] Minutes from the UX/design meeting 2023-Jul-13

2023-07-13 Thread Eyal Rozenberg
Oh, no, no, no, come on... I know I wasn't in the session (which I couldn't since it was in the middle of a workday), but - there had been extensive discussion on the bug pages, and the session itself seems to have just ignore it all. This is really exasperating.

[libreoffice-design] Re: Minutes from the UX/design meeting 2023-Jun-15

2023-06-16 Thread Eyal Rozenberg
On 15/06/2023 18:29, Heiko Tietze wrote: Present: Happy, Hossein, Heiko Comments: Mike, Dieter, Eyal Tickets/Topics  * More centralized endnote/footnote settings    + make footnote numbering page-style-specific, rename the Insert > F dialog "Out-of-order Note" or "Special Note",

[libreoffice-design] Re: Minutes from the UX/design meeting 2023-Dec-20

2023-12-21 Thread Eyal Rozenberg
I want to draw our attention to the first bug which was on the agenda in yesterday's design meeting: https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=158588 I would say that bug is misnamed. It should be called: "LibreOffice unexpectedly and strangely modifies an ODT file without they user

Re: [libreoffice-design] Re: Minutes from the UX/design meeting 2023-Dec-20

2023-12-22 Thread Eyal Rozenberg
regarding modification date etc.) ? On 22/12/2023 9:11, Heiko Tietze wrote: On 21.12.23 20:05, Eyal Rozenberg wrote: "LibreOffice unexpectedly and strangely modifies an ODT file without they user having done anything, and embedding unnecessary fonts nobody asked it to." Sounds like ano

[libreoffice-design] The Gallery and shapes, following the UX/design meeting 2023-Nov-30

2023-12-01 Thread Eyal Rozenberg
In this week's design meeting, bug 158253 came up: Shapes-via-Gallery is problematic & partially redundant with the Shapes sub-toolbars and sidebar https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=158253 I was not available to attend (it was during my work hours); but since this is not

Re: [libreoffice-design] Join us at the first „FOSS Backstage Design“

2024-02-03 Thread Eyal Rozenberg
Will sessions be recorded? Or even live-streamed? Eyal On 01/02/2024 18:32, Alexander Brateanu wrote: Dear LibreOffice design-team, we would be thrilled to welcome participants from LibreOffice design at our new event *FOSS Backstage Design* where we want to take a deep dive into UX Design in

[libreoffice-design] Re: Minutes from the UX/design meeting 2023-Feb-22

2024-02-22 Thread Eyal Rozenberg
On 22/02/2024 16:46, Heiko Tietze wrote:  * Simplified options dialogs You seem to have ignored the basic problem with how this bug has been handled, which I pointed out in comment: https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=90989#c9    + name, icons, interface, colors, ui lang,

[libreoffice-design] Re: Minutes from the UX/design meeting 2023-Apr-24

2024-04-24 Thread Eyal Rozenberg
Sorry for missing a meeting with a few of "my own" bug reports... On 24/04/2024 21:58, Heiko Tietze wrote:  * Want indication of whether a master slide is in use or not    + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=160403    + MSO Powerpoints shows the number of slides in a