[libreoffice-design] Question - LaTeX-layout PDF export?
Hi, I have a fundamental question concerning LibreOffice and text layout. I talked to somebody a few weeks ago who pointed out how much better laTeX documents supposedly look than documents that are created by word processing software such as LibreOffice. So I thought: Wouldn't it be possible to implement a feature that uses the laTeX strategy to lay out the text while the document is exported to PDF or would it even be possible to have the laTeX layout of words in real time within LO-Writer? Best regards Christopher -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-design] Question - LaTeX-layout PDF export?
Hi, hm, I'm no programmer. But if there is a LO-Extension that is able to translate the LO-Writer-Syntax to latex syntax (writer2latex) shouldn't it be possible that this is done automatically and than converted to PDF - in the background - while exporting to PDF? best regards Christopher - Ursprüngliche Nachricht - Von: Cedric Bosdonnat Gesendet: 23.08.12 16:11 Uhr An: Christopher Stark Betreff: Re: [libreoffice-design] Question - LaTeX-layout PDF export? Hi Christopher, On Thu, 2012-08-23 at 15:56 +0200, Christopher Stark wrote: So I thought: Wouldn't it be possible to implement a feature that uses the laTeX strategy to lay out the text while the document is exported to PDF or would it even be possible to have the laTeX layout of words in real time within LO-Writer? I wondered that as well, and it's still one of the crazy ideas in my mind... though there are several problems: * it needs to break all the Writer layout code... which is quite a big spaghetti plate. * LaTeX code isn't reusable directly from C++ if I understood that correctly, but the algorithms have been reimplemented in C++ in TeXmacs, and the problem there is that this code is GPL and probably more complex to use from LGPL/MPL code -- Cedric -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-design] Will the Logus Symphony functions be merged into LO?
Hi, I read that the Symphony source code will be merged into OpenOffice. Will LibreOffice also use that code? Apache Licence to LGPL seems to be possible. http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Contribution Best regards Christopher -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-design] Windows 8 version?
I'm glad that Metro/Win8 won't be supported soon. For one thing I think this kind of Desktop is a really bad Idea and the second thing is that I doubt, that the metro desktop will gain a relevant user number. On Desktop computers people will continue using the classic desktop with windows and on tablet computers Windows doesn't have a chance anyway. So thanks to the LO developers for this decision! best regards Christopher On 13.04.2012 20:59, Alberto Delgado wrote: I don't think the developer team plans to support Windows 8 Metro anytime soon, so any work on it would be futile right now. Too bad, it would be a great opportunity to enter the marketplace but i guess it's ok. However, the link i posted called Metro style guidelines has pretty good ideas that could be applied to the android version, like side-scrolling menus with semantic zoom -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-design] Android UI work
Hi, in November I sent this email with a link several suggestions concerning a Android UI: http://www.christopherstark.de/extern/LO-Android/Android_LO.html Maybe it helps for the current discussion. best regards Christopher Original Message Subject:Suggestions for an Android User Interface Date: Wed, 09 Nov 2011 13:04:44 +0100 From: Christopher Stark christopherst...@gmx.de To: design@global.libreoffice.org Hi, I would like to make some suggestions for an Adroid UI of LibreOffice: http://www.christopherstark.de/extern/LO-Android/Android_LO.html Maybe I can put this into the LO-Wiki, but I'm not sure if that works with regular html-code... best regards Christopher -- www.christopherstark.de | www.neoliberalyse.de | www.klokunst.org | www.projektidee.org -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-design] Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Can we replace Floppy Disk
Why? I love the floppy disk! It's nostalgic! So what! Not that it is too important but I always thought that this is one of the nicest icons of all... Best Christopher On 23.01.2012 11:11, Stefan Knorr (Astron) wrote: Hi Charles, Warren, all, Charles-H. Schulz said: Just FYI, we now have people on the discuss list asking how the decision was made, so can you confirm there was a new icon that was used in the Tango category? Hm, oh. Forgot announcing this on the design list, too, so: yes, we have a new icon for the Tango theme, as anyone who has used 3.5 beta 3+ can confirm. The decision to go forward with the new icon kind of came about on the ux-advise list. (By the way, it might help if a few more design people were there to help out developers who are unsure about how to get the user experience for new features right.) See here: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-ux-advise/2012-January/000709.html . The new icon is thanks to two fantastic Gnome people, Lapo Calamandrei and Jakub Steiner, who were kind enough to relicense this icon for us. Warren Camilleri wrote: if i may barge in and put my 2 cents, working in an environment surrounded by simple users the floppy icon is well known as the save button, but for me its iconic to say from where it all began to today evolution of memory, and to play even more safe the gnome one is even more fantastic but i would ad folder in the draw as if you are saving more records... That might work on a larger resolution, but for this level of detail the icon is probably too small. Although, if you want to have a go at adding that, the source SVG is here: http://cgit.freedesktop.org/libreoffice/core/tree/icon-themes/tango/cmd/lc_save.svg also the floppy is somewhat and international standard, its already hard to push for simple users to switch with their fears of understanding change but it is better to make even more familiar for them. Right, but the Save icon is so prominent in the interface that I believe people will learn it. If there's a massive backlash against the icon, we might need to consider how we can make it better in 3.6/later in the 3.5... cycle. For 3.5.0, I'd say we'd best just leave it in. Astron. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-design] New Citrus Mock ups(base)
Am 27.11.2011 12:53, schrieb Andrew Pullins: HI, I have just uploaded my version of Mirek's Citrus mock up here[1]. Sorry again: This link leads to the gated Google-Community! Please don't post links to gated communities, but links that are accessable to everyone! Christopher Mirek has only done mock ups for Writer, Draw, Impress, and now has made my Calc mock up much better. so when I saw that he had only done the first three I decided to start on the others. in my last installment I made math. math is such a small program that there is really no point in making a mock up, but I wanted to see it. but this time I have made Base. I was not familiar with the program before today, for I do not need a database(yet). so after looking at what we have and what M$A has to offer and watching youtube videos on M$A, I started. if you use base I would like to know what you think of it. I decided not to make any of the tools for the insertion bar, for there is so much you can do in base. I am tired right now so I will add them later. [1] https://docs.google.com/viewer?a=vpid=explorerchrome=truesrcid=0B7y5FMHPsyaNN2RiNzU1MTItZTAyNy00NmZlLTk1MGQtY2VlZmQ1OTYyOTM3hl=en_US -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-design] Suggestions for an Android User Interface
Hi, I would like to make some suggestions for an Adroid UI of LibreOffice: http://www.christopherstark.de/extern/LO-Android/Android_LO.html Maybe I can put this into the LO-Wiki, but I'm not sure if that works with regular html-code... best regards Christopher -- www.christopherstark.de | www.neoliberalyse.de | www.klokunst.org | www.projektidee.org -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-design] Suggestions for an Android User Interface
Hi, Am 09.11.2011 22:38, schrieb Christoph Noack: Hi Christopher, it seems that more and more Christoph.*'s are subscribed to this list ;-) Am Mittwoch, den 09.11.2011, 13:04 +0100 schrieb Christopher Stark: I would like to make some suggestions for an Adroid UI of LibreOffice: http://www.christopherstark.de/extern/LO-Android/Android_LO.html Christopher, thank you! You've presented your thoughts very nicely ... easy to grasp, easy to understand and you've covered lots of cases. That makes it also easy for me to ask further questions - may I? :-) Thanks (and thanks to Vitorio for the nice feedback). Sure. My main question is what kind of Android device you had in mind when creating the images - a smartphone (small screen), or tablet (medium size screen)? To me, it is a bit hard to guess. Mainly regular smartphones (such as the Samsung Galaxy S with 10,16 cm/4 display). I think it would make sense for a mobile Libreoffice to start with the biggest android-segment which has the most users. On the other hand one can ask the question if users would use a complete office suite like this on their phones. I don't really know. I would if I had a document I had to edit while no desktop computer would be around. This libreoffice would probably become the main/most installed office-app running on a very important operating system of the next years (strategically maybe /the/ most important) . My next question is what Android version you've designed for ... assuming that you've picked on recent version (its always so hard to predict how Android 2013 will look and behave like). Each of the versions do have different preferred UI elements like the Action Bar incl. the Overflow Menu and stuff. Or, also valid, do you propose to create a UI from scratch? I'm not a programmer just an open-source enthusiast and Android user. Are the UI elements really that far apart between the android versions? How do other app-projects deal with this? Would it be so complicated to design individual UI elements? For me as non-computer scientist designing these UI elements seems simple. Last question - I've noticed that you've preserved all functionality (again: assumption on my side). Is that correct? Do you think some functionality should be hidden / removed for Tablets/Smartphones? I included all functions my user type would probably need (except for maybe table of contents and chapter numbering). But many aspects I included are very general - such as menu bars, choosing fonts and styles scrolling within a document and so on. I'm not sure if functions should be hidden. I think no - because users who only need a document *reader* would simply use apps like the 'OpenOffice Document Reader'. Maybe I can put this into the LO-Wiki, but I'm not sure if that works with regular html-code... Well, regular html-code can be embedded, but then you (or we) loose some of the nice editing capabilities. Does anyone know if HTML can easily converted to WikiMedia source? Bye, Christoph best regards Christopher -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-design] Twitter, G+ and Facebook in extension and templates?
There could be a more neutral Share This or Add this button. As Facebook is pure evil and the opposite of open or good this might be a controversial idea. A Share-Link to these services should be okay in my opinion: -Diasproa -Identi.ca -Twitter -Email this best christopher Am 02.11.2011 22:50, schrieb Olivier Hallot: Hi How about twitting / g+ / fb a template or extension you liked? Cheers -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-design] Re: LibreOffice Tablet Suite
I don't have a google account. So the link doesn't work! Am 27.10.2011 14:29, schrieb Sean White: The link does indeed work now, much obliged On Thu, Oct 27, 2011 at 11:22 PM, Andrew Pullins android2...@gmail.comwrote: Ok here, I changed the permissions. thats weird I always make my docs Anyone with the link. but it should work now. https://docs.google.com/open?id=0B7y5FMHPsyaNOGY2OGY4N2UtN2IzMy00NTk2LThhNmYtY2M1OTRiZGI2YTZh -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Fwd: Re: [libreoffice-design] Complete redesign of the interface!
Hi, I also agree with the criticism already stated here and add some of my own: - it looks too much like the M$ Office Ribbons - the window decoration should be part of the operating system / graphical environment. - Furthermore the main toolbar should always stay static and not be organized in tabs/ribbons (too much of clicking otherwise). - I like the Navigation sidebar where the user can see the pages like in a pdf-Viewer. - in this mockup the search-bar for functions and the tabs-bar for different documents is missing Best regards Christopher Original-Nachricht Betreff:Re: [libreoffice-design] Complete redesign of the interface! Datum: Sun, 19 Jun 2011 12:35:13 +0200 Von:Budislav Stepanov budo345li...@gmail.com Antwort an: design@global.libreoffice.org An: design@global.libreoffice.org I sorry for this, I forgot that for google need account ,I put on ubuntu, please http://ubuntuone.com/p/zyq/ or http://www.sendspace.com/file/l6hs9m If you talking abaut Libreoffice Wiki, The action you have requested is limited to users in one of the groups: Administratorshttp://wiki.documentfoundation.org/index.php?title=The_Document_Foundation_Wiki:Administratorsaction=editredlink=1, emailconfirmed ;) On 19 June 2011 09:24, Jean Hollis Weber jeanwe...@gmail.com wrote: I have a google account, and I couldn't see the files. I got the message Sorry, the page (or document) you have requested is not available. --Jean On Sun, 2011-06-19 at 08:56 +0200, Christopher Stark wrote: Yes, you have to have a google account to view these files. I will definitely not get a google account! There are so many free file hosters out there, so it shouldn't be a problem to upload the screenshots there, or as Hillar says upload them directly to the Libreoffice wiki... Christopher Am 19.06.2011 08:10, schrieb Hillar Liiv: hello, Google Docs link don't work for me. Can you please upload it to http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/ You need to make account to there and then in left menu is upload file. Or log in and then go to link http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Special:Upload Hillar -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Regards, Budislav -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-design] Survey - Current Issues
1.) What do you think about LibreOffice as it stands today? The best and most compatible competitor of evil Microsoft Office. The program those will choose who do not get along with stupid ribbon-interfaces, those who don't want to steel or pay too much, those who detest the market leader and those who politically like with the idea of open-source. An open and free alternative that has great potential but might be seen as out-dated by superficial people who think that everything that looks newer is better. 1a) What aspects of the User Interface do you like? Why? The dynamic appearance of toolbars (like the table toolbar for example), the startup window where the user can choose the document type, the search bar on the top, 1 b) What aspects of the User Interface do you dislike? Why? -The function-menus on top of the UI are not sorted in a very logical way (there should be more categories. For example in the Extras Category there are many functions that don't seem to have a lot in common). -The color choosers only have 96 colors to choose from. I'd prefer 96.000.000. -It should be much easier to get customized macros into the menu-bar. 2.) How could LibreOffice better suit your needs in terms of UI? -If there were modes like scientific writing or just want to write a simple letter or I want the full UI it might be helpful for working more productive. -I know that the current development has the opposite direction but I would like to have more dropdown menus for more categories who have less sub-functions. 3.) What would you like to see LibreOffice become? -A multi-device (also mobile) office suite that can do everything but also has a light mode the user can switch to. Best regards Christopher Am 20.06.2011 02:09, schrieb Scott Pledger: Hey all, While we're trying to come up with goals for LibreOffice, I'd like to see what people think of LO as it stands today. Please please please take the time to respond to this as it can really help us to determine where exactly we ought to go! 1.) What do you think about LibreOffice as it stands today? a) What aspects of the User Interface do you like? Why? b) What aspects of the User Interface do you dislike? Why? 2.) How could LibreOffice better suit your needs in terms of UI? 3.) What would you like to see LibreOffice become? More specific surveys will follow, once I have a better idea of what to ask! :) Thanks! Scott -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-design] Complete redesign of the interface!
Yes, you have to have a google account to view these files. I will definitely not get a google account! There are so many free file hosters out there, so it shouldn't be a problem to upload the screenshots there, or as Hillar says upload them directly to the Libreoffice wiki... Christopher Am 19.06.2011 08:10, schrieb Hillar Liiv: hello, Google Docs link don't work for me. Can you please upload it to http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/ You need to make account to there and then in left menu is upload file. Or log in and then go to link http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Special:Upload Hillar 2011/6/19 Budislav Stepanov budo345li...@gmail.com Thanks, https://docs.google.com/leaf?id=0B9ybC3iXpbVBNDI2YWM3NTAtOGQ5ZC00MGM0LThkMDEtNWM4ZDc1ZjE0YzA4hl=en_US On 19 June 2011 00:54, Kévin PEIGNOT winniemie...@gmail.com wrote: On 19/06/2011 00:47, Budislav Stepanov wrote: How to send a screenshot? On 19 June 2011 00:10, Kévin PEIGNOT winniemie...@gmail.com wrote: On 19/06/2011 00:02, Budislav Stepanov wrote: I've created a new interface design, according to which the office should look like in the future. If someone has a better suggestion let it set, so let's be clear, the new interface is required. Sorry for bad English. If you joined a screenshot with the mail, you must know that they are rejected automatically on the mailing list ;) -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted Post it on an external file storage website (Gdocs, ubuntu one, wiki...) and give us a direct link ;) -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Regards, Budislav -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-design] Tabbed Documents
Hi, my suggestion would be to have the tabs horizontally but in a toolbar that can be activated or deactivated. If it is deactivated then other or new documents appear in new windows, if it is activated in tabs. Christopher Am 11.06.2011 06:53, schrieb Cyril Arnaud: I'm personally not so sure about the vertical tabs. If the tabs are similar to the one you can use on chromium for instance, you save more screen realestate than with a vertical bar. Using tab should be very discreet since it's not necessary for your activity in one doc, but could increase your efficiency when you work on several documents at the same time. -- Cyril Arnaud On Jun 11, 2011 12:13 AM, planas jsloz...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Phil and Patrick On Sat, 2011-06-11 at 09:54 +1200, Phil Jackson wrote: Hi Patrick This could work also if there was an option for vertical tabs to the left. Certainly it is important for Writer to maximise vertical space for document display and some users (including me) would like to see this idea as an option on the left or right. It could be part of another toolbar with a maximum list of 3-5 items that could be scrollable, on top of a list of other tools. I think that having a single click of keyboard command that switches between documents is essential - I'm sure I am not in the minority in sometimes wanting to be able to switch quickly between two different documents either for comparison purposes or to copy and paste between them. It also therefore raises an interesting new idea which might be beyond the scope of this suite - have a mode where you can display two different documents side-by-side, each with its own vertical scroll bars, displayed in slightly shrunk fonts with the ability to copy and paste directly between the two. Obviously you can change the screen size of two different sessions of Write and achieve the same but this takes a little time and you still get unnecessary duplication of menus. On some wide screens this would be very useful occasionally and again something that would give it another point of difference. This idea could be used for Calc. Cheers Phil Jackson On 6/11/2011 8:55 AM, Patrick Scott wrote: Hi all. What do people think about tabbed documents a la Lotus Symphony. I wouldn't have much use for it myself but I keep seeing the suggestion pop up in the comments on forums and articles etc so it's seems like it might be an important feature for some [and another means of differentiating ourselves from OO and MS Office]. I've looked a few pages back through the archives and couldn't see any mention of it and since I've only been on this list for a couple of days I thought I'd just ask if it was on the radar for LibreOffice. Tabbed Documents in Lotus Symphony: http://static.howtoforge.com/images/IBM_Lotus_Symphony_On_Ubuntu704/pic8.jpg Thanks, Patrick The side by side view would be very useful in Writer and Calc. Also, Phil I think you correct about the placement on the side. -- Jay Lozier jsloz...@gmail.com -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-design] New Design and experience
Hi, I just saw some Calligra screenshots which reminded me of this diskussion: http://www.calligra-suite.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/spring-900x540.png http://www.calligra-suite.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/karbon-logo.png just a hint. Maybe we can learn something from their approach best regards Christopher Am 10.06.2011 16:17, schrieb Christian Vielma: Hi everyone. The ideas you're commenting are great. I also thought in a search bar from where you could activate directly some functions (activate bold, insert table, etc) I made a fast mock-up, sorry about many details in it, i hope the idea is correctly expressed. I uploaded it here (didn't know how to upload it to the LibreOffice wiki): http://www.librethinking.com/index/images/OpenProjects/LibreOffice/libreofficedrawersmockup.png I tried to integrate the ideas that were expressed here and other ones i thought. I will explain the mock up and mention the ideas in the design: 1. *This could be the Libre Menu*, all the functions that affect the whole application (new, open, save, save as, print, share, etc) in the MS Office 2007/Firefox 4/Unity style. 2. This could be the customized toolbar that was mentioned first by Fernando and later by Phil and Patrick. *I call it My Toolbar.* You can drag functions from the Drawers to this toolbar, or something like right click - add button. Also, taking Patrick and others idea this dock/toolbar could hide automatically. 3. *Here is what i called LibreFinder *is a complete application search tool that can help you find the functions you need. How many times it happens that you are working (using LO or MSO), and you ask where the hell was the footnote option?, well that wouldn't be a problem now, you can search footnote and directly clic the option from the search dropdown ajax-alike field. 4. *This are the Drawers*. I remove the left empty side of the document and take advantage of all the empty space on the right side to make a good space for this Drawers. I also put them on the right side thinking in the growing of Ubuntu Unity or Gnome Shell that will be on the left. This Drawers could be Maximized to show all the options (using the button highlighted with 5), Unmaximized (default size, could be unmaximized using the button highlighted with 6 when Maximized), or it can be hidden (using the button highlighted with 6 when in default size). In the Default size could be shown the most used functions as Patrick or Phil mentioned or there could be a scroll to look for other functions. Sorry i didn't got time to put buttons on these Drawers :S 5. Maximize button disabled when reached the maxsize. 6. Minimize/hide button. 7. Hide All button (could hide all the Drawers at once) 8. Free space for other LO options like in impress when is shown the presentation design/etc (this could be removed and increase the drawers size or pass my toolbar to the right side instead of been in the top. 9. This is a button that i thought could be cool. I called it Share Button, you could use thi button to upload the document in Google Docs, Dropbox, Ubuntu One, Send it by mail, Twitter, etc. I divided the Drawers in similar names to those in MSO for simplicity and make it quick, but LibreOffice could have it owns classification. I agree with others that there could be Edit Time context Menus and other functional ideas. I selected the colors using the main page colors of LibreOffice. Please tell me what you think about it. Best Regards, On Thu, Jun 9, 2011 at 9:32 PM, planas jsloz...@gmail.com wrote: Hi On Fri, 2011-06-10 at 01:28 +0100, Patrick Scott wrote: Hi, Thanks for the feedback! Yes, I'd imagine the correct drawers would animate and pop open if you suddenly moved the cursor from say normal text to a list or table for example. Also, it's a good point that many users may still be on 4:3 monitors. In anyone's opinion, would a sidebar such as the one in this mockup be too large for those using a 4:3 monitor? It could be cut back as a compromise.. Mockup Link (again, this is just a layout concept, it still needs polishing): http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:LibreOfficeMockup.png LibreOfficeMockup.png http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:LibreOfficeMockup.png Thanks again, Patrick On 9 June 2011 07:59, Christopher Stark christopherst...@gmx.de wrote: Hi, it looks quite nice. Am 08.06.2011 18:22, schrieb Patrick Scott: Hi all, Today I put together a mockup for a possible Layout I think LibreOffice could use. Since it's just a layout, it's quite rough, lacks polish and is very simple [it's also my first ever mockup]. The design is inspired by the concepts behind Ubuntu's unity. It's all about maximising vertical screen space while using a sidebar to take advantage
Re: [libreoffice-design] New Design and experience
Hi, it looks quite nice. Am 08.06.2011 18:22, schrieb Patrick Scott: Hi all, Today I put together a mockup for a possible Layout I think LibreOffice could use. Since it's just a layout, it's quite rough, lacks polish and is very simple [it's also my first ever mockup]. The design is inspired by the concepts behind Ubuntu's unity. It's all about maximising vertical screen space while using a sidebar to take advantage of the abundance of horizontal screen space we have on the standard widescreen resolutions of today. Here is a summary of the proposed changes: -Unlike the MS Ribbon, the context menu has been left as is but should be hidden as default on Windows and some Linux distros (should be recallable using Alt key, through preferences, or right-click of toolbar) Good thing that it's hidden by default. I would suggest that the right functions appear automatically when the user clicks on a graphic, into a Table etc. If the right tools don't appear automatically, this drawers-toolbar would be a disadvantage in comparison the the solution which exists now in LO because one has to click on the right drawers in the left column all the time. - On Operating Systems where the context menu is integrated into the top panel (Mac OS and Ubuntu), the menu should remain present as is since there is no additional screen real estate to be gained from hiding it -The bottom panel has also been removed but its vital components now exist in the lower part of the new sidebar (I call it the info panel! Bare in mind that it's just a concept so it looks pretty rough and needs cleaning up) -The remaining top panel should be reserved for vital 'File' operations and other application level options such as access to help and a 'Tools' dropdown (similar to the 'Wrench' icon in Google's Chromium/Chrome browser). -The Drawers in the sidebar 'Toolbox' [which I borrowed from a screenshot of LO Impress] should act as an alternative to Microsoft's ribbon. Features from the context menu should be graphically represented here and categorized along with the usual text editing/spreadsheet/presentation features found in the original toolbars Here is a link to the mockup: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:LibreOfficeMockup.png http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:LibreOfficeMockup.pngI think that with some polish and styling there would be quite a few benefits to this approach. - It would modernise the overall look of libreoffice, differentiating us from the dated OO and MS Office 1997 - 2003 look and feel. - The 'drawers' are not a clone of the MS Ribbon but it is consistent with it, leaving MS converts with an easier job adopting to LO (rather than sending them back in time to the toolbar interface) - Users will be able to see more of their documents. At 1440 x 900, the sidebar takes up 240 px of abundant horizontal space while freeing up over 100 px of precious vertical space. This is particularly beneficial in Writer where documents can easily scroll more than 2 metres. Don't forget, that many - especially more professional - users still have 4:3 monitors and will keep this up in the future (I never understood this stupid wide screen hype) - As you can see from the mockup, there is buckets of space left over in the sidebar drawers which can be filled with anything that takes our imagine such as extra large widgets, style shortcuts similar to MS Office etc (I simply dumped the text formatting icons in here, since this is just a layout)... Please everyone, let me know what your thoughts are! I know people have been discussing docks and docklet's etc and I'm not disregarding those suggestions. I'm simply proposing a layout to which features like those as well as others like tabbed documents could be added. Thanks, Patrick On 8 June 2011 13:05, Phil Howard imagin...@gmail.com wrote: Regards Christopher I can imagine a kind of mixture of toolbars/docks/ribbons now. A toolbar that is resized larger becomes a ribbon, which can be dragged over to a side to become a dock. One dock (the top one?) fills with frequently used icons, and the user can drag things onto that. I like Christian's idea of being able to open a drawer further for the complete set of actions - since these are the rarely used items, they need to be in consistent positions. That way the 'ajar' (shallow open) view can change and show frequently used items, but the fully open drawer is always consistent. I do think that a large part of improving UIs is getting rid of irrelevant things. If nothing is selected, you need to be able to switch input modes (bold/italics or draw line/shape) or views, or to insert new objects, but not to edit object properties (delete column). The converse is true if you have selected something. I think MS were driving at that with the Ribbon - apart from a different view of the menus, the Ribbon's difference from the past is showing context-dependent menus
Re: [libreoffice-design] Ribbons and Background Color UX
Hi, as I mentioned earlier, the main argument against ribbons is that in M$ Office the user has to click on ribbons/tabs all the time and never knows if the required functions hide behind Review, Insert or Design... Whereas in LibreOffice: * The menu bar with main functionality always stays in the same position * If the user clicks into a table the table-bar appears * If the user clicks on a graphic the graphic-bar appears * If the user clicks into a bullet-point list the bullet-point-bar appears * Every user may choose individually where all these bars appear All this makes working with the current solution in my opinion much more efficient than with ribbons best regards Christopher Am 23.05.2011 04:49, schrieb jlopez777: Hello all, Is it the general consensus that ribbons are not needed or not a priority? Or background colors for writer and impress (both slide background and slide overview section background which is white). Just wondering how this could progress...if not the other things I mentioned earlier, then at least the ribbons. Thank you. JL -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-design] Usability comes from stability
Hi, I totally agree with most of what you say.. concerning this one problem you have with pasting formated web-texts I think there is a better solution already implemented in LibreOffice. On 5/10/2011 5:16 AM, Jim Fuqua wrote: As a lawyer I often type for hours per day. I often must copy and paste into gedit and then copy and paste into LibreOffice to get rid of multiple hyperlinks and other undesirable baggage present in the source. Some web content providers add hundreds of links in legal documents to make copying difficult. Some even include mechanisms to crash MS Word or OpenOffice. I learned to copy into a primitive editor and then into my word processor to strip out such baggage and avoid such crashes. I haven't tried to see if the crash mechanisms will crash LibreOffice, but I suspect they will. You can use the shortcut Control+Shift+V to paste special. There you can choose unformatted text and paste it without having to use the workaround with gedit. In my Libreoffice I created a macro that does the paste without formatting and assigned a shortcut to that. This works fine! best Regards Christopher -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-design] Take inspiration from Lotus Symphony ?
I think a Tabs-Function for all open documents would be especially nice!The right column for special functions seems to be a good Idea too.Personally I don't like the Menu panel on the right side in that example. I think menus should stay horizontally on top of the gui.Best RegardsChristopherOn 4/26/2011 5:19 PM, Scott Pledger wrote:This is actually very close to the design I'm currently working on for LibreOffice and, indeed, partly its inspiration. Much of the difference between the implementation of Lotus Symphony and my design is that Lotus Symphony's side bar does not constitute of panels which change based on what the user has selected. The overall design concept is copied below from my original posting to the design mailing list: * I've had this idea for a while now and I wanted to see what everyone here thought of it, so here it goes! Its based on two simple premises. First, I noticed that monitors are getting wider but the documents we type up are still vertically oriented. Secondly, I find floating toolbars to be extremely cumbersome. So I decided I'd try to tackle both of these issues in a simple, easy-to-use manner. Attached to this email is the concept that I currently have (or at least the beginnings of it). So, here's my plan: 1. Have a single toolbar at the top that contains actions that can be used no matter what application you're using. 2. Move any additional toolbars to the right hand side and organize them into groups based on what the user currently has selected. So let's say you're editing a Writer document and you have some text selected that is in a Table. You would have 3 primary categories (at the top of the right-hand part of the screen): Document, Table, and Text. 'Document' is always present and handles document-wide settings. Table might contain subcategories of Row, Column, Cell, and Display. All of these would contain toolbar items to modify aspects of these subcategories. Text then, might contain Font, Paragraph, and Section as subcategories. And so on and so forth. I also had the idea that hovering over a primary category or a subcategory might emphasize what would be affected in the main document area by shading everything else, but I also know that that would not be a necessity. For the purposes of the design, this right-hand area can be called the context tool panel. 3. Move the menus to the left-hand side, placing them above whatever is typically the left side of any given LibreOffice application. (Impress/Draw -Slides, etc.). Clicking one of these would then cause a panel to be displayed categorizing items in the same manner as the context tool panel which would contain the different actions the user can take. 4. Possibly: Allow for LibreOffice to run everything from a single window by having a tab row at the top of the screen. (I'm still not sold on this idea, so let me know what you think.) When it came to actually designing this new layout, I tried to pull from the current LibreOffice icons as much as possible, mainly because I think they are absolutely awesome! Also, I do want to be forthcoming - I'm no UX or Design professional. I'm a Computer Science major in the US, but I think that this kind of layout can not only give LibreOffice one of the most unique and (in my mind) usable User Interfaces on the planet, but I also think that it can help LibreOffice to be the very best office suite on the planet. * The aforementioned attachments can be found here:http://pledgecomputers.com/LibreOffice/Redesign/Concept.pdfhttp://pledgecomputers.com/LibreOffice/Redesign/Concept.odgYours Truly, Scott On Mon, Apr 25, 2011 at 16:48, RGB ESrgb.mldc@gmail.comwrote:2011/4/26 Cyril arnaudcyril.arn...@gmail.com:Most user I encountered (not that much, so there is no statistics behind this observation) are doing fine because they look around, search, experiment. But some users are afraid of searching, testing. That's why I find the Symphony's UI interesting. It's shiny, you are more eager to play with it.Writer, for instance, is not an app that you can learn by trial and error: you need to sit down for a while and RTFM ;) But even if the interface could be improved and the learning curve lowered, it is also true that trial and error apps are useful only for simple tasks, and for simple tasks you can use abiword. You cannot please everybody. And you cannot drive a jet the same way you drive a bicycle. So the options are mainly two: to give normal and power users two different apps, or to build only one app but with two different UI. I think that ooo4kids is starting to work on the second possibility. Cheers Ricardo -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail todesign+help@libreoffice.orgPosting guidelines + more:http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/NetiquetteList archive:http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/design/All messages sent to this
Re: [libreoffice-design] Specification for Document Background (...)
Hi, I think the Motif-version of the background looks very nice!: The Gradient-version is also nice, but not as interesting. The regular shadows are a little boring I think. best regards christopher Am 03.04.2011 21:58, schrieb Christoph Noack: Hi all, I promised to work seriously on the topic ... so here is what I've achieved so far. I was unable to compress the thoughts in one single mail, so I've started a dedicated wiki page (a.k.a. specification) to describe the behavior for all the applications. Now, there are proposals for: * The document border (= outline and shadow) * The application background, gradient * The application background, motif (at the moment, it rather is an idea to think about) http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design/Development/DocumentBackground @ Sébastien: I've stopped at some point, because I'd like to hear your comments, questions and your general opinion what can be implemented and whether you are still interested to work on this topic (I really hope so *g*). @ Nik: I'd like you to comment on the use of the motif patter - would that be somehow okay? Or maybe you have some improvement proposals ... @ Andrew: Does that still meet what you've intended with your proposal in fdo bug 31251? By applying the Tango Guidelines, I came very close to your initial shadow design. @ All: Please have a look at the specification and help to point out mistakes and issues ... Cheers, Christoph Am Mittwoch, den 30.03.2011, 23:23 +0200 schrieb Christoph Noack: Hi Sébastien, hi Design guys! Just a short update ... Am Mittwoch, den 09.03.2011, 07:57 +0100 schrieb Sébastien Le Ray: Hi again, Does one of you have a test build of LibreOffice or do you use released versions only? Since I'm going to make some more modifications to the design, I think this would be easier for us if some of the design team members had a master build to test modifications and give feedbacks. Screenshots are not always the best way to get a good feeling. True, true. Since daily builds [1] are available for Linux (yeah - thanks to all who made this possible), I gave it a try ... I've setup a VM with Fedora and installed a daily build to do some initial testing. To all design people, this might be a please try this at home message :-) So here is a screenshot of what I've got so far (default values): https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/UOyGR1nLSKhY2uHbYqVPww?feat=directlink Next step is to seriously work on the topic ... Cheers, Christoph [1] http://dev-builds.libreoffice.org/daily/ -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-design] Scatter brained?
Inkscape and Scribus import them correctly it seems, I don't see any problems: http://www.christopherstark.de/extern/ink-scrib.png But Libreoffice only imports big black blocks when trying to embed the svg file. Libreoffice also has problems importing regular SVG files it seems... best regards Christopher Am 23.03.2011 20:05, schrieb drew: On Wed, 2011-03-23 at 14:36 -0400, drew wrote: BTW - I'm also using the svg file Nick posted to the wiki originally and scaling then exporting to png using Inkscape and I don't follow the problem with the transparency issue, the original and generated files appear correct with handling of transparency. Disregard that - trying just now to put that over some text, it appears I see the problem now. But only for some of the triangles it seems, odd. Best wishes, Drew -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/design/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-design] [VOTE] Design task: LibreOffice Motif
Hi, /This is not usually a problem for me because I use Adobe Creative Suite and support between the applications in CS5 is /superbly/ achieved via smart-objects, but when it comes time to export, well, we get the problem I'm facing now, which is best demonstrated in image form... I've documented the problem at the bottom of the Motif page and added an image depicting the problem; http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design/Motif#Alpha_problem If anyone can lend a hand in this, I'd be most grateful. Since I don't use anything but Creative Suite, I can't even test for alpha support in other apps. I've uploaded a PSD file containing the Motif with Alpha as it is intended to be, here; http://tdf.nikashsingh.com/misc/ScatterWithTransparency.psd / I don't understand why it isn't possible to export the graphics to SVG ( then it can be easily imported e.g. to inkscape). By the way why don't you work with open source inkscape instead of a 2000 $ monster? These things can be done with inkscape as well (and in my opinion inkscape is one of the best open source programs out there) If it is not possible to export it it shouldn't be too difficult to rebuild this in inkscape I think Best regards desputin Am 22.03.2011 15:01, schrieb Nik: Hi Jaron, All! Some bad news =( , but first... On 3/22/2011 11:33 PM, Jaron Kuppers wrote: Hi Nik, Fantastic work Nik, both on the Scatter design and on organizing the motif project. Thanks Jaron! it's feedback like that that keeps a volunteer very happy =) I think it resulted in a lot of great ideas which might find uses someday in other things (like advertisement or event media). It has been great to show the potential of this community through this project and I look forward to seeing what other major tasks the community can tackle. GO Design! ;-) +1, GO Design! =) Cheers, Jaron To all, I've uploaded a usable version of the Scatter Motif to the Motif page, but unfortunately it is only in PNG format right now (although Hi-res); http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design/Motif Ideally I'd like to make vector versions available instead. Here's my problem... The Motif uses complex transparency in the Design. It needs the support of a full Alpha channel in order to appear correctly. This is not a problem for raster formats (like the PNG file currently available, GOD who is that?? ;) BLESS PNG!) But so far I have had no luck exporting to a vector format that doesn't use binary transparency, including SVG and EPS. This is not usually a problem for me because I use Adobe Creative Suite and support between the applications in CS5 is /superbly/ achieved via smart-objects, but when it comes time to export, well, we get the problem I'm facing now, which is best demonstrated in image form... I've documented the problem at the bottom of the Motif page and added an image depicting the problem; http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design/Motif#Alpha_problem If anyone can lend a hand in this, I'd be most grateful. Since I don't use anything but Creative Suite, I can't even test for alpha support in other apps. I've uploaded a PSD file containing the Motif with Alpha as it is intended to be, here; http://tdf.nikashsingh.com/misc/ScatterWithTransparency.psd Also, while we are nutting this last step out, would either Christoph or Bernhard be able to raise the Scatter Motif with the SC to get it confirmed as officially approved artwork ? Please don't let this setback hinder your desire to use the Motif. The uploaded PNG is hi-res enough (300dpi, 2500x2500 pixels) for most applications for now. Feel free to download and fiddle, it would be great to see some web banners/CD labels/print material etc soon? =) -Nik -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/design/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-design] [VOTE] Design task: LibreOffice Motif
Okay, if I would get some kind of vector format SVG, PS or PDF I could try to make a clean Inkscape-SVG out of it. If this is not possible I can revectorize the psd-file, but that would not be the best solution because it would be a lot of work. best regards Christopher Am 22.03.2011 23:01, schrieb Christoph Noack: Since we have chosen a motif, the more important question is how to transform the graphics into something more people can work with. Christopher, you statements seem to convey that you are an advanced Inkscape user, could you please have a look at it? That'll be very cool... -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/design/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-design] [VOTE] Design task: LibreOffice Motif
*MOTIF DESIGN PROPOSALS;* --- Christoph's Triangle patterns Christoph's Large motif Daniel's Overlapping coloured circles Daniel's Remix of the repeating triangles Ivan's Interweaved diagonals Nik's MessyStack Nik's OpenBook Nik's ApplicationCorners Nik's DocumentFlower Nik's FoldedPage Nik's Scatter + 1 Christopher Tobias' Triangle patchwork pattern best regards christopher Am 19.03.2011 06:01, schrieb Nik: Hi guys, So the Design phase for the Motif proposals has just expired, thanks heaps to anyone that participated in the discussion and the proposals. I've put together a list of all the candidates from the proposals accumulated on the Motif page; http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design/Motif as mentioned in a previous Email, we will vote on this Mailing list (because it is presumably convenient for all who are registered here, and aren't on the wiki) and I will collate the results on the above Wiki page (http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design/Motif#Voting). The voting concludes midnight this Sunday (GMT). To vote for you preferred proposal, scan the above page quickly so you get a feeling for all the proposals, then, add a +1 yourname next to the proposal of your choice. For example, here is a fake poll filled out by John; EXAMPLE PROPOSALS Red proposal Blue proposal, +1 John Green proposal It would help a lot if you only replied to this original Email instead of a reply posted by other members, so there is no confusing quoted votes (in case people omit their name). So without further ado, here are our beautiful finalists; *MOTIF DESIGN PROPOSALS;* --- Christoph's Triangle patterns Christoph's Large motif Daniel's Overlapping coloured circles Daniel's Remix of the repeating triangles Ivan's Interweaved diagonals Nik's MessyStack Nik's OpenBook Nik's ApplicationCorners Nik's DocumentFlower Nik's FoldedPage Nik's Scatter Tobias' Triangle patchwork pattern Happy voting y'all -Nik (P.S. Thanks for the vote already Daniel, I'll add it to the Wiki now, and sorry about the delay, this Email is sent at 5:00am GMT) -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/design/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-design] SmartArt into libreoffice? - sorry this time without html
This sounds good. If somebody already invested time in this. Is there a link or something to that Orvieto-presentation? I also had a closer look at the smartart-functionality now and think it's really a great tool. Not that I normally adore M$ products - but I think this makes working with diagrams much, much easier especially for less sophisticated users and supposedly also increases productivity for all users. Best Regards Christopher Am 15.03.2011 17:41, schrieb Andreas Mantke: Hi Christoph, *, Am Montag, 14. März 2011, 22:15:06 schrieb Christoph Noack: (...) I don't know whether/how to ask the developers for that. It's a huge task ... It seems that we are not even able to provide this via the Gallery, since the gallery doesn't support ODGs. Sigh. But, what we currently miss, are high quality templates - some guys here started to create some. Maybe they need some help. And this would be as important as having SmartArt capabilities. What do the others think? I know that there was already a old childworkspace in the CVS of OOo. It was a Chinese developer that started the work with a smartart implementation for OOo. He presented his work in Orvieto. I can search for the data of this childworkspace and the explanation in the OOo-Wiki, if that helps. Regards, Andreas -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/design/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
