Re: [libreoffice-design] Re: Rule Colors - Color Change Needs Review

[Joel Madero]

You can kill the patch and someone at some point maybe will actually fix
it the way you're looking for. No need to drag on the convo, I get the
point and no one (other than me) is arguing against you. It seems like
we're in an age where one person's opinion can block commits/ideas - so
go ahead and kill it. I don't have the time or know how to do it the way
you want so I'll just keep the patch local so I can actually use my
ruler on a dark theme.

On 12/11/2015 08:52 AM, V Stuart Foote wrote:
>> Fri 2015-12-11 8:36 AM, Joel Madero wrote:
>>
>> On 12/11/2015 04:51 AM, Christian Lohmaier wrote:
>>> @Joel:
>>> " I changed DarkShadowColor (which is worthless for dark themes) to
>>> DeactivatedColor (light gray)."
>>>
>>> hope to Deactive*Text*Color :-)
>> Nope I actually tried DeactiveTextColor and it was too light for lighter
>> themes (that was actually light gray). I then tried DeactiveColor (which
>> is just gray) and it looks okay on both.
> I don't think tweaking one or two of the color assignments associated with
> Ruler in hopes of having it look good in both light and dark color
> schemes/themes is going to be viable.   Also there is chance of  disrupting
> color assignment actions when Assistive Technology tools are active and  HC
> is detected active on the OS--found in app/settings.cxx  (just parts of the
> default colorshceme get tweaked along with the change to HC icons).
>
> Unfortunately,  kind of believe that Joel's simple color change to the ruler
> substituting GetDeactiveColor()  for GetDarkShadowColor() is going to result
> in a non-crisp/lower contrast ruler in both Light and Dark color schemes.
>
> Issue has been that colors of the ruler pulled from colors of named elements
> in styles, usually the default colorscheme, can only be adjusted in source
> as Joel just has done.  It really seems that to do this correctly  the half
> dozen color assignment(s) for the Ruler (in ruler.cxx)  should be
> individually exposed for assignment in the Application Colors (General
> section as an Enchanced color scheme)  along with  Expert Config
> :EnhancedColorScheme stanzas.  
>
> They then would be exposed for users to edit in their
> registrymodifications.xcu
>
>
>
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Re: [libreoffice-design] Re: Rule Colors - Color Change Needs Review

[Joel Madero]

On 12/10/2015 10:36 AM, V Stuart Foote wrote:
> Joel,
>
> Not sure who told you to try to do it as a single color, but I think your
> approach needs some additional thought.  
>
> I just checked and the Rulers **are** controlled by style.
>
> svtools/source/control/ruler.cxx
> #695
>
>GetFaceColor
>GetLightColor
>GetShadowColor
>GetDarkShadowColor
yes I used these. It's not a set color - I changed DarkShadowColor
(which is worthless for dark themes) to DeactivatedColor (light gray).
These are given default values absent the theme expressly defining them
(which no theme actually does...I've tried a half dozen or more dark
themes).

If you look at GetDarkShadowColor you'll see what I'm referring to: 
http://opengrok.libreoffice.org/xref/core/vcl/source/app/settings.cxx#GetDarkShadowColor#713

Best,
Joel

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Re: [libreoffice-design] Rule Colors - Color Change Needs Review

[Joel Madero]

On 12/10/2015 10:45 AM, Christophe Strobbe wrote:
> ially in the dark theme example
> that you posted, the numbers and "ticks" on the ruler can become hard to
> see. (I don't know if there is a Linux tool with which you can check
> this. On Windows and Mac OS, you can try the Colour Contrast Analyser
> from .)
> If people with visual impairments don't use the kind of dark themes for
> which you are reworking the ruler, then the issue is not relevant.
> However, it is important to test the effect of the code on a desktop
> with a high-contrast theme, e.g. "High Contrast Black" on Windows, to
> make sure that there are no negative side effects. With my current
> version of LibreOffice (still 4.0.4.2), I get pure white numbers and
> ticks on a purely black ruler when using "High Contrast Black" or "High
> Contrast #1" (on Windows 7); this behaviour should not change.

Interesting finding here. So in Linux this is not the case at all - I
get black on black. If I create an .msi with my patch are you willing to
install it to see what you get? I'm happy to do this as of course making
sure that it doesn't impact visually impaired people is an important
consideration.


Warmest Regards,
Joel


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[libreoffice-design] Ruler Color - Color Change Needs Reviewed

[Joel Madero]

Hi All -

Just sent an email but not sure if it went through so here it goes
again. I'm addressing this bug
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=90214, in summary,
the ruler color scheme is unusable with dark themes.

I've changed the color to a gray color instead of black but I need
review: http://imgur.com/a/gXbZz

I was expressly recommended not to make the color dependent on
light/dark theme so it should be the same color. Hopefully this one works.

Opinions appreciated.

Best,
Joel

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[libreoffice-design] Rule Colors - Color Change Needs Review

[Joel Madero]

Hi All,

I've been messing with ruler.cxx to try to find a color that works both
in dark and light themes
(https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=90214)

I've gone with a gray color that I think works in both light and dark
themes but I want a second (and third) opinion before committing. Before
anyone asks, I was expressly recommended in IRC not to use different
colors based on light/dark so they should be the same color unless
that's impossible.

Opinions appreciated. http://imgur.com/a/gXbZz


Best,
Joel

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Re: [libreoffice-design] The style drop down menu in properties tab (sidebar) is redundant and unnecessary

[Joel Madero]

Hi All,l


> So either we improve current style dropdown in panel Properties
> considerably, maybe ending up removing S panel, or the other way round..
> In any case: the better and more visible the use of styles, the more I
> applaud the solution :)
>

Here here! I love the discussion and think that it should focus on *exactly*
this point. The question should be both "how do we efficiently let current
'power users' use styles" *and* "how do we inform current users about the
power of styles - most notably, by making it as visible as possible."

Keep up the great work. Thanks a million for all of your
dedication/thoughtful suggestions.


Best,
Joel



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Re: [libreoffice-design] The style drop down menu in properties tab (sidebar) is redundant and unnecessary

[Joel Madero]

>
>
>>
>> As long as you don't remove it from the tool bar. The drop down holds the
> style used in re-styling a document and it is very quick to access during
> document processing, 2 clicks. In my use case I can't fit the side bar and
> having the panel open all the time in 3 documents obliterates the text I am
> trying to work on.


Honestly - we can't cover every single corner caseThe UX team is
responsible for thinking about the general needs of our users, corner cases
(not saying yours definitely is) should be given the *option* to include
things but we shouldn't force a million defaults on everyone just because
certain users use LibreOffice in a very specific case (such as having three
documents side by side open at a time)

That being said, I leave this to the design/UX team to figure out.

Best,
Joel


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Re: [libreoffice-design] Improving Impress' UX

[Joel Madero]

On 06/10/2015 11:18 PM, Jean-Baptiste Faure wrote:
 Hi Jay, all,

 Le 10/06/2015 22:39, Jay Philips a écrit :
 [...]
 Wikis are not WYSIWYG and hard to edit. You cant format a wiki similar
 to a document. 
 You can use the Mediawiki extension to write your document in
 LibreOffice and push it to the wiki.

 You dont have commenting and track changes. 
 Error: with a wiki you have a complete history of each change since the
 creation of the document.
 Additionally you have a discussion page to comment.

 Likely when the document is fully finished, it would be published to the 
 wiki,
 similar to how we are doing with the HIG.
 And you will lost the complete history of the document. That is a very
 important information and it is a bad idea to rely on Google to keep the
 memory of the LibreOffice community. The data of the LibreOffice project
 must be stored on TDF servers not elsewhere. The working in progress
 documents are project data and must be stored on TDF servers.
While I fully respect your opinion - this last statement is just not
correct. We don't use words like must in the project when referring to
how other people accomplish their work. The doers get to decide, Jay has
been doing a *lot* of work, he has found a workflow that works for him,
and no one is going to dictate that he change it. That being said, he's
been incredibly accommodating and has shared the document through email
so that others can download it, comment on it, and get their feedback
incorporate, all without affecting your (and others) phobia of google
products.

So I'll respectfully say, there is no must - there seems to be a
perfectly acceptable compromise that Jay found. Instead of everyone
wasting their time arguing over what tool we use, maybe just
(suggestion) download the doc that he shared (that is on the wiki), do
your edits, and share it back on the mailing list. The other alternative
is that you or one of the other google haters (which is fine...), take
the document that he shared through email, you create a wiki, and you
guys can edit it on the wiki, then Jay can incorporate those change in
his google docagain, the doers can decide.

Best,
Joel


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Re: [libreoffice-design] Improving Impress' UX

[Joel Madero]

On Thu, Jun 11, 2015 at 9:59 AM, Pedro Rosmaninho mota.pr...@gmail.com
wrote:

 I think the issue is more a matter of ease of use and collaboration and it
 is quite well known that Google Docs is great in that regard.
 There's the design Hangouts minutes that document all the work done, and
 maybe at the end of each release cycle the documents produced during that
 release cycle could be rounded up?

 I just don't think that bureaucratizing everything or trying to condition
 on how people are doing their work is productive...


+1 - the project prides itself on exactly this point :) Anyways, is there
not a straight forward solution here? I mentioned two before.


Best,
Joel

P.S. JBF - no need to  point out English not being your primary
languageyour English is 1x better than my French so you're leagues
ahead of me :)
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Re: [libreoffice-design] Improving Impress' UX

[Joel Madero]

Just wanted to thank you Jay for doing the open invite. You're at the
forefront of lots of cool innovative things in the project and it's good to
see things moving forward :)

Best,
Joel

On Tue, Jun 9, 2015 at 2:29 PM, Jay Philips ypha...@gmail.com wrote:

 On 06/08/2015 09:07 AM, Charles-H. Schulz wrote:

 Hello Jay,


 Hi Charles,

  Thank you for starting this. However I have a really big problem with the
 use
 of Google Docs. People may not want to subscribe nor to rely on Google
 services.


 Yes i've seen that some people prefer not to use google services and i
 would never force it onto people who make that choice, but they do not need
 to subscribe to google services to leave comments. They are also welcome to
 read the document and send their feedback to me by email or download the
 document and make track changes to it an email it to me.

  We have pads (http://pad.documentfoundation.org) and you can open

 one rather easily. As long as we will continue to use Google Docs many
 people
 simply won't contribute to our discussion.


 I've tried etherpad and unfortunately it doesnt have the features i need
 to get the job done. I look forward to when LOOL is launched, so i can
 shift over to that.

 Jay


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[libreoffice-design] Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Unable to set ux-advise bugs to NEW in new bugzilla

[Joel Madero]

On 01/31/2015 10:33 PM, Robinson Tryon wrote:
 On Sat, Jan 31, 2015 at 9:58 PM, Jay Philips philip...@hotmail.com wrote:
 Hi All,

 As ux-advise bugs are not supposed to be affecting the QA bug count, the
 new bugzilla doesnt permit me to change its status when creating a bug
 report.
 Hi Jay,

 I did some tweaking of the config in Bugzilla 4.4.6 to make sure that
 bugs would default to UNCONFIRMED when filed, and the simplest method
 was to make UNCONFIRMED the only choice for a newly-created bug. You
 can always create the bug, then change status to NEW afterwards. Or do
 a bulk-change, if you're filing a bunch of reports at once.

 From my understanding, the difference I saw on the backend is related
 to changing bug workflows that have been introduced to Bugzilla in
 modern versions. We can try to bring back the ability to set bugs to
 NEW during filing, but I think it's worth our time to also take a look
 at the suggested workflow in Bugzilla, and see if we might wish to
 adopt it.
So - just my two cents here. I'm not a big fan of changing our workflow
- ours works, mostly everyone is happy, devs seem to get it, QA gets it,
documentation explains it, etc... etc... it's kind of like why reinvent
what already works.

Best,
Joel

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Re: [libreoffice-design] New templates contest

[Joel Madero]

Hey Milan,

 Le mercredi 10 décembre 2014 à 10:23 -0800, Joel Madero a écrit :
 On 12/10/2014 09:25 AM, Adolfo Jayme Barrientos wrote:
 Hi Charles-H.,

 it is still mandatory that people release their work to the public
 domain, as it was the case in the last contest? That was my only gripe
 at the time, as IMHO it reduced both the quantity and quality of the
 work received.
 IMHO this is a requirement - I'm not sure about legally but I think as a
 practical point they must be released under copyleft licenses, free to
 use and distribute as desired.
 Note that public domain is completely different from copyleft. 

Indeed, I should have been clearer. I definitely mean copyleft and not
public domain :)

Best,
Joel

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Re: [libreoffice-design] VCL example

[Joel Madero]

On 03/16/2014 06:07 PM, Adolfo Jayme Barrientos wrote:
 You seem to think that VCL is like Qt. It is not. And this is not the
 correct mailing list to ask questions about software development.
http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice

That's the list you want.


Best,
Joel

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[libreoffice-design] Design for a Campus Flyer?

[Joel Madero]

Hi All!

For those of you who don't know me, I'm from the QA team :-D I'm hoping 
to post something up at my campus for the CS majors to get involved. 
Something light on text that says something along the lines of want to 
work on an international open source project gain experience meet 
great people etc . . .


Is there any way I can get a volunteer to work with me to create the 
flyer? My artistic skills are somewhere between -100 and 0 so - any help 
appreciated :)



Thanks all!

Best,
Joel

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Re: [libreoffice-website] Re: [Libreoffice-qa] [libreoffice-design] Send Feedback Option

[Joel Madero]

Impressive! Thanks a lot for working on this, looking forward to seeing the
final product.


Joel


On Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 10:53 AM, Rainer Bielefeld 
libreoff...@bielefeldundbuss.de wrote:

 Stefan Knorr (Astron) schrieb:


  here's a link to an HTML mockup:
 http://dl.dropbox.com/u/**87946285/libreoffice/feedback/**
 feedback-page.htmlhttp://dl.dropbox.com/u/87946285/libreoffice/feedback/feedback-page.html


 Hi Stefan,

 I like it! And I have some proposals for additions.

 After a click of one of the for fields or as a tooltip a short help text
 should appear with further instructions. Some of our customers have their
 home out of the internet (elderly people) who will be astonished reaching
 an English page from their German software and now they are asked to do
 something with insects or have tho think about crazy thins like hash tag.

 A draft of my thoughts:

 For the twitter links something like
 Your comment will be published on Twitter
 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/**Twitterhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twitter
 ,
 See who else already left a comment
 https://twitter.com/**libreoffice/???https://twitter.com/libreoffice/???
 ?

 For Ask a tooltip:
 Here users will ask your questions how to work with LibreOffice

 For Bug report a tooltip:
 Here you can report faults in the LibreOffice software. Be aware that the
 proceeding will take several minutes to create a useful report what will
 help our developers to fix the problem.

 Best regards

 Rainer



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