Re: [libreoffice-design] [VI] Consistent theme for screenshots

2011-07-07 Thread Bernhard Dippold
Hi David, * David Nelson schrieb: [...] Personally, I feel that it would be most useful if the Design team were to keep its eye truly on the ball and work on new UI/UX designs for the LibreOffice software. That is actually the most pressing task we'd have for you guys, IMHO. As you stated sev

Re: [libreoffice-design] [VI] Consistent theme for screenshots

2011-07-07 Thread Bernhard Dippold
Hi Larry, Larry Gusaas schrieb: [...] If you adopt this proposal no one using a Mac will be able to make screenshots for your manuals. Your documentation is already lacking in Mac specific content, don't make it worse. The current screenshots are very different from the appearance of LibreOffic

Re: [libreoffice-design] [VI] Consistent theme for screenshots

2011-06-29 Thread Marc Paré
Le 2011-06-29 04:55, Jean Hollis Weber a écrit : On Wed, 2011-06-29 at 04:43 -0400, Marc Paré wrote: Le 2011-06-28 17:23, Jean Hollis Weber a écrit : Most of the screenshots for the user guides are of dialog boxes, and those should be captured at their full size (unlike showing the full window,

Re: [libreoffice-design] [VI] Consistent theme for screenshots

2011-06-29 Thread Jean Hollis Weber
On Wed, 2011-06-29 at 04:43 -0400, Marc Paré wrote: > Le 2011-06-28 17:23, Jean Hollis Weber a écrit : > > Most of the screenshots for the user guides are of dialog boxes, and > > those should be captured at their full size (unlike showing the full > > window, which is user-variable). Many (most)

Re: [libreoffice-design] [VI] Consistent theme for screenshots

2011-06-29 Thread Marc Paré
Le 2011-06-28 17:23, Jean Hollis Weber a écrit : On Tue, 2011-06-28 at 13:37 -0400, Marc Paré wrote: Of the samples that were printed, the ones that I found most legible, were the group 1 colours. From the printout on my computer they had the clearest contrast. Jean mentions that to her the fol

Re: [libreoffice-design] [VI] Consistent theme for screenshots

2011-06-28 Thread Jean Hollis Weber
On Tue, 2011-06-28 at 13:37 -0400, Marc Paré wrote: > Of the samples that were printed, the ones that I found most legible, > were the group 1 colours. From the printout on my computer they had the > clearest contrast. Jean mentions that to her the following would be the > best compromise (if w

Re: [libreoffice-design] [VI] Consistent theme for screenshots

2011-06-28 Thread Marc Paré
Hi Sigrid et al: Le 2011-06-26 04:57, Sigrid Carrera a écrit : Hi Marc, On Sun, 26 Jun 2011 04:11:06 -0400 Marc Paré wrote: Le 2011-06-26 01:38, Jean Hollis Weber a écrit : On Sun, 2011-06-26 at 02:15 +0200, Bernhard Dippold wrote: Hi Jean, Sigrid, all, Jean Hollis Weber schrieb: Jean wr

Re: [libreoffice-design] [VI] Consistent theme for screenshots

2011-06-28 Thread Marc Paré
Le 2011-06-28 04:31, David Nelson a écrit : Hi, On Tue, Jun 28, 2011 at 9:20 AM, Christoph Noack wrote: So, to me, the aim of consistent screenshots make totally sense - even or especially from a community POV. Well, in any case, as someone who is a constant presence in the LibO docs team, I

Re: [libreoffice-design] [VI] Consistent theme for screenshots

2011-06-28 Thread David Nelson
Hi, On Tue, Jun 28, 2011 at 9:20 AM, Christoph Noack wrote: > So, to me, the aim of consistent screenshots make totally sense - even or > especially from a community POV. Well, in any case, as someone who is a constant presence in the LibO docs team, I'll certainly cooperate in promoting/coordi

Re: [libreoffice-design] [VI] Consistent theme for screenshots

2011-06-27 Thread Sigrid Carrera
Hi Kévin, On Tue, 28 Jun 2011 08:09:22 +0200 Kévin PEIGNOT wrote: > Hey, > > You all are thinking a lot about using clearlook theme , because it is on > several distro. But reality is that clearlook is a GTK 2 gnome theme, not > ported ( maybe I'm wrong to GTK 3 ) and almost every distro will

Re: [libreoffice-design] [VI] Consistent theme for screenshots

2011-06-27 Thread Christoph Noack
Hi all! To add one thing - it is simply practical if different teams / authors can share / exchange materials easily. Especially if the original authors are unavailable and their work is getting extended by others ... or if a team of different people is working on one document / work item. The

Re: [libreoffice-design] [VI] Consistent theme for screenshots

2011-06-27 Thread Kévin PEIGNOT
Hey, You all are thinking a lot about using clearlook theme , because it is on several distro. But reality is that clearlook is a GTK 2 gnome theme, not ported ( maybe I'm wrong to GTK 3 ) and almost every distro will switch to gnome 3 sooner or letter. Even ubuntu 11.10 will use gnome 3 with unit

Re: [libreoffice-design] [VI] Consistent theme for screenshots

2011-06-27 Thread Bernhard Dippold
Hi David, Jay, all, planas schrieb: Hi all, On Sun, 2011-06-26 at 23:43 +0300, David Nelson wrote: Hi, On Sun, Jun 26, 2011 at 8:38 AM, Jean Hollis Weber wrote: [...] To me having the user guide screenshots in gray DOES have advantages FOR THE USERS: they are less likely to be distracted

Re: [libreoffice-design] [VI] Consistent theme for screenshots

2011-06-27 Thread Sigrid Carrera
Hi Bernhard, *all, On Mon, 27 Jun 2011 01:11:45 +0200 Bernhard Dippold wrote: > Hi Jean, all, > > Jean Hollis Weber schrieb: > > [...] > > [...] > Reading your follow-up mails, I'd support Libre Green 2 as highlight > color in Clearlooks theme. > > What I'd like to know is: Does this combi

Re: [libreoffice-design] [VI] Consistent theme for screenshots

2011-06-27 Thread Marc Paré
Le 2011-06-27 02:58, Jean Hollis Weber a écrit : On Mon, 2011-06-27 at 02:39 -0400, Marc Paré wrote: Yes, this is definitely a point that must be considered. We still need to try to keep this as manageable as possible, but if we need 2 versions to simplify the process, then we can do a grayscale

Re: [libreoffice-design] [VI] Consistent theme for screenshots

2011-06-27 Thread Jean Hollis Weber
On Mon, 2011-06-27 at 01:11 +0200, Bernhard Dippold wrote: > - Clearlooks theme > - Font: Liberation bold > - Font size: 11 pt > - Highlight foreground color: Libre Green 2 (#43C330) > [...] > > Jean: Are these modifications to the Clearlooks theme the ones you propose? Yes. -- Unsubscribe ins

Re: [libreoffice-design] [VI] Consistent theme for screenshots

2011-06-26 Thread Jean Hollis Weber
On Mon, 2011-06-27 at 02:39 -0400, Marc Paré wrote: > Yes, this is definitely a point that must be considered. We still need > to try to keep this as manageable as possible, but if we need 2 versions > to simplify the process, then we can do a grayscale at the same time as > the coloured version

Re: [libreoffice-design] [VI] Consistent theme for screenshots

2011-06-26 Thread Marc Paré
Le 2011-06-26 19:11, Bernhard Dippold a écrit : Hi Jean, all, Jean Hollis Weber schrieb: [...] I agree with you that any colour chosen should harmonize with the positive attitude of our branding. I also agree that Green 1 is a bit aggressive. Green 2 will do; it prints well enough. Blue 2 see

Re: [libreoffice-design] [VI] Consistent theme for screenshots

2011-06-26 Thread Marc Paré
Le 2011-06-26 22:59, Christopher Lee a écrit : How much of another distro will really be visible in a screenshot, though? I feel like most people would just say, "Hey, that's a cool looking theme..." and move on. The screenshots are only those of the LibreOffice window. All other OS components

Re: [libreoffice-design] [VI] Consistent theme for screenshots

2011-06-26 Thread Marc Paré
Hi Jean Le 2011-06-26 18:11, Jean Hollis Weber a écrit : Earlier, I wrote: On Sun, 2011-06-26 at 08:45 -0400, Christopher Lee wrote: Why not host two versions-- one colored one for presentation, and another one in grayscale with "Print Optimized" in the link name or description? Many websites

Re: [libreoffice-design] [VI] Consistent theme for screenshots

2011-06-26 Thread Christopher Lee
How much of another distro will really be visible in a screenshot, though? I feel like most people would just say, "Hey, that's a cool looking theme..." and move on. -- Christopher Lee Executive Director Champion Debate On Sunday, June 26, 2011 at 10:55 PM, planas wrote: > Hi all, > > On Su

Re: [libreoffice-design] [VI] Consistent theme for screenshots

2011-06-26 Thread planas
Hi all, On Sun, 2011-06-26 at 23:43 +0300, David Nelson wrote: > Hi, > > On Sun, Jun 26, 2011 at 8:38 AM, Jean Hollis Weber > wrote: > > I still am not convinced that there is any real marketing or other > > advantage to having coloured title bars and highlighting *in the user > > guide illust

Re: [libreoffice-design] [VI] Consistent theme for screenshots

2011-06-26 Thread Bernhard Dippold
Hi Jean, all, Jean Hollis Weber schrieb: [...] I agree with you that any colour chosen should harmonize with the positive attitude of our branding. I also agree that Green 1 is a bit aggressive. Green 2 will do; it prints well enough. Blue 2 seems a bit too bright when viewed in colour, but it

Re: [libreoffice-design] [VI] Consistent theme for screenshots

2011-06-26 Thread Jean Hollis Weber
Earlier, I wrote: > On Sun, 2011-06-26 at 08:45 -0400, Christopher Lee wrote: > > Why not host two versions-- one colored one for presentation, and > > another one in grayscale with "Print Optimized" in the link name or > > description? Many websites have separate options for printable > > version

Re: [libreoffice-design] [VI] Consistent theme for screenshots

2011-06-26 Thread David Nelson
Hi, On Sun, Jun 26, 2011 at 8:38 AM, Jean Hollis Weber wrote: > I still am not convinced that there is any real marketing or other > advantage to having coloured title bars and highlighting *in the user > guide illustrations* -- I don't see why they need to be the same, as the > purpose and use o

Re: [libreoffice-design] [VI] Consistent theme for screenshots

2011-06-26 Thread Jean Hollis Weber
On Sun, 2011-06-26 at 08:45 -0400, Christopher Lee wrote: > Why not host two versions-- one colored one for presentation, and > another one in grayscale with "Print Optimized" in the link name or > description? Many websites have separate options for printable > versions, and I think many users ar

Re: [libreoffice-design] [VI] Consistent theme for screenshots

2011-06-26 Thread Jean Hollis Weber
On Sun, 2011-06-26 at 14:44 -0400, Marc Paré wrote: > My personal opinion is that if we can get the screenshots done up in > LibO greens (whichever of the greens 1-2-3 etc) for added market > recognition in our documentation, and, if they print up well on personal > printers and at Lulu's, with

Re: [libreoffice-design] [VI] Consistent theme for screenshots

2011-06-26 Thread Marc Paré
Le 2011-06-26 06:23, Jean Hollis Weber a écrit : On Sun, 2011-06-26 at 19:29 +1000, Jean Hollis Weber wrote: To summarise, two objective points: * Some of the colours suggested in this thread should print just fine in grayscale by Lulu's printers. * If users print directly from the PDFs, the co

Re: [libreoffice-design] [VI] Consistent theme for screenshots

2011-06-26 Thread Marc Paré
Le 2011-06-26 05:29, Jean Hollis Weber a écrit : To summarise, two objective points: * Some of the colours suggested in this thread should print just fine in grayscale by Lulu's printers. * If users print directly from the PDFs, the colours use up a lot more expensive ink or toner than does gray

Re: [libreoffice-design] [VI] Consistent theme for screenshots

2011-06-26 Thread Christopher Lee
> To summarise, two objective points: > * Some of the colours suggested in this thread should print just fine in > grayscale by Lulu's printers. > > * If users print directly from the PDFs, the colours use up a lot more > expensive ink or toner than does gray whether printed in colour or b/w. Pard

Re: [libreoffice-design] [VI] Consistent theme for screenshots

2011-06-26 Thread Jean Hollis Weber
On Sun, 2011-06-26 at 19:29 +1000, Jean Hollis Weber wrote: > To summarise, two objective points: > * Some of the colours suggested in this thread should print just fine in > grayscale by Lulu's printers. > > * If users print directly from the PDFs, the colours use up a lot more > expensive ink or

Re: [libreoffice-design] [VI] Consistent theme for screenshots

2011-06-26 Thread Jean Hollis Weber
To summarise, two objective points: * Some of the colours suggested in this thread should print just fine in grayscale by Lulu's printers. * If users print directly from the PDFs, the colours use up a lot more expensive ink or toner than does gray whether printed in colour or b/w. And one subject

Re: [libreoffice-design] [VI] Consistent theme for screenshots

2011-06-26 Thread Jean Hollis Weber
On Sun, 2011-06-26 at 04:11 -0400, Marc Paré wrote: > Well, as you say, there are different needs. The documentation's first > need should be that of print quality. If we are to submit our work to > LuLu's for print, the buyers should definitely get what we consider a > good representation of L

Re: [libreoffice-design] [VI] Consistent theme for screenshots

2011-06-26 Thread Sigrid Carrera
Hi Marc, On Sun, 26 Jun 2011 04:11:06 -0400 Marc Paré wrote: > Le 2011-06-26 01:38, Jean Hollis Weber a écrit : > > On Sun, 2011-06-26 at 02:15 +0200, Bernhard Dippold wrote: > >> Hi Jean, Sigrid, all, > >> > >> Jean Hollis Weber schrieb: > >>> Jean wrote: [...] > Well, as you say, there are

Re: [libreoffice-design] [VI] Consistent theme for screenshots

2011-06-26 Thread Marc Paré
Le 2011-06-26 01:38, Jean Hollis Weber a écrit : On Sun, 2011-06-26 at 02:15 +0200, Bernhard Dippold wrote: Hi Jean, Sigrid, all, Jean Hollis Weber schrieb: Jean wrote: [...] My first thought is that a variation on Clearlooks (colour and perhaps font) should work very well. But I want to do s

Re: [libreoffice-design] [VI] Consistent theme for screenshots

2011-06-25 Thread Jean Hollis Weber
On Sun, 2011-06-26 at 02:15 +0200, Bernhard Dippold wrote: > Hi Jean, Sigrid, all, > > Jean Hollis Weber schrieb: > > Jean wrote: > >> [...] My first thought is that a variation on > >> Clearlooks (colour and perhaps font) should work very well. But I want > >> to do some printing tests on a b/w p

Re: [libreoffice-design] [VI] Consistent theme for screenshots

2011-06-25 Thread Bernhard Dippold
Hi Jean, Sigrid, all, Jean Hollis Weber schrieb: Jean wrote: [...] My first thought is that a variation on Clearlooks (colour and perhaps font) should work very well. But I want to do some printing tests on a b/w printer before saying more. I'll get back to this list with more comments later to

Re: [libreoffice-design] [VI] Consistent theme for screenshots

2011-06-25 Thread Marc Paré
Le 2011-06-25 07:00, Astron a écrit : Hi Marc, Actually, if we do adapt and name our theme, our goal, like any other product in our "arsenal of products" would be to use it to our marketing advantage. We could easily market it as a theme optimized for screenshots and people would gladly downloa

Re: [libreoffice-design] [VI] Consistent theme for screenshots

2011-06-25 Thread Christoph Noack
Hi all, I tried to browse all the mail that were sent during the last days ... so sorry if I missed something, but I hope to add my thoughts. Am Samstag, den 25.06.2011, 13:00 +0200 schrieb Astron: > Hi Marc, > > > Actually, if we do adapt and name our theme, our goal, like any other > > product

Re: [libreoffice-design] [VI] Consistent theme for screenshots

2011-06-25 Thread Astron
Hi Marc, > Actually, if we do adapt and name our theme, our goal, like any other > product in our "arsenal of products" would be to use it to our marketing > advantage. We could easily market it as a theme optimized for screenshots > and people would gladly download our "LibreOffice Theme" for thi

Re: [libreoffice-design] [VI] Consistent theme for screenshots

2011-06-24 Thread Marc Paré
Le 2011-06-24 18:47, Bernhard Dippold a écrit : I don't want to take this task, as I still hope that a standard theme like Clearlook would serve our needs (perhaps with some minor modifications for printable screenshots) - but perhaps someone else would. With a standard theme (and a good do

Re: [libreoffice-design] [VI] Consistent theme for screenshots

2011-06-24 Thread Bernhard Dippold
Hi Marc, all, Marc Paré schrieb: Le 2011-06-24 17:34, Sigrid Carrera a écrit : Hi Marc, On Fri, 24 Jun 2011 16:43:22 -0400 Marc Paré wrote: [...] At this point, we should try to accommodate the comments from Jean Hollis Weber on this topic and try to find a theme OR create our own theme for

Re: [libreoffice-design] [VI] Consistent theme for screenshots

2011-06-24 Thread Marc Paré
Le 2011-06-24 16:48, Jean Hollis Weber a écrit : On Fri, 2011-06-24 at 11:06 -0400, Marc Paré wrote: Le 2011-06-24 03:35, Astron a écrit : Hi, I just tried out different LibO greens with my titlebars: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:Green0.png http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:Gr

Re: [libreoffice-design] [VI] Consistent theme for screenshots

2011-06-24 Thread Jean Hollis Weber
On Fri, 2011-06-24 at 11:06 -0400, Marc Paré wrote: > Le 2011-06-24 03:35, Astron a écrit : > > Hi, > > > > I just tried out different LibO greens with my titlebars: > > http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:Green0.png > > http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:Green1.png > > http://wiki.documen

Re: [libreoffice-design] [VI] Consistent theme for screenshots

2011-06-24 Thread Marc Paré
Le 2011-06-24 03:35, Astron a écrit : Hi, I just tried out different LibO greens with my titlebars: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:Green0.png http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:Green1.png http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:Green2.png http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:Gre

Re: [libreoffice-design] [VI] Consistent theme for screenshots

2011-06-24 Thread Astron
Hi, I just tried out different LibO greens with my titlebars: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:Green0.png http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:Green1.png http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:Green2.png http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:Green3.png I think Green 0 actually looks

Re: [libreoffice-design] [VI] Consistent theme for screenshots

2011-06-23 Thread Jean Hollis Weber
On Thu, 2011-06-23 at 20:30 +0200, Bernhard Dippold wrote: > Hi again, > > I'll start with my thoughts on the topic. > > Fell free to provide yours. > > Once we finished this collection and basic discussion we should move the > results to a dedicated wiki page for further reference. > But for t

Re: [libreoffice-design] [VI] Consistent theme for screenshots

2011-06-23 Thread Marc Paré
Le 2011-06-23 14:30, Bernhard Dippold a écrit : Hi again, I'll start with my thoughts on the topic. Fell free to provide yours. Once we finished this collection and basic discussion we should move the results to a dedicated wiki page for further reference. But for the direct discussion I pre

[libreoffice-design] [VI] Consistent theme for screenshots

2011-06-23 Thread Bernhard Dippold
Hi all, Marc mentioned a certain UI theme for screenshots in the documentation team [1], there is another thread on disc...@de.libo about the best UI theme for their documentation [2], Italo wants screenshots that serve our Windows users [3] and the wiki recommends screenshots for the website

Re: [libreoffice-design] [VI] Consistent theme for screenshots

2011-06-23 Thread Bernhard Dippold
Hi again, I'll start with my thoughts on the topic. Fell free to provide yours. Once we finished this collection and basic discussion we should move the results to a dedicated wiki page for further reference. But for the direct discussion I prefer the mailing list more: Bernhard Dippold wrot