Re: [libreoffice-design] Hide ruler by default?
On Sat, 2011-10-15 at 00:49 -0300, Rafael Rocha Daud wrote: Majority says disable by default. For usability as well as aesthetics, I'd say: a) most people use tabs for indentation, and do it on their default values; b) on most machines, it looks prettier without rulers. I use a very good GTK2 theme, so the rulers are really fancy, but it's not the rule (pun intended); c) screen real estate, as already stated (pun intended) by many; on some smallish screen devices +++1 d) using the ruler is a rather advanced formatting tool, if compared to the current ease of turning it on/off; +1, and if default is will be off using the current on/off control is very easy. e) we could always take it back, if we manage to improve it's size, looking etc., or if we favor direct formatting or at least auto-updating of styles. For all the above reasons (and no reason against it so far), I believe we should disable it by default. There will always be time to review this in the future when analysing other defaults (which I agree we should do, Kévin, just not now IMHO). PS.: just for being the devil's advocate, disabling it by default could lead some to think it's not offered in the suite. However, I don't believe someone who would actually miss it would, at the same time, think it's gone for good or not be able to find it in a few seconds. You probably will get a few who must be told how to turn on the ruler. However, I agree most who actually use the ruler should find easily if the on/off is located where it currently is. I think you summed the problem of the ruler, it takes up space and is often not used by anyone. Reviewing how often I change the defaults ruler settings, I must admit it is not very often, in fact fairly rare and only on specific documents that I could use a template for the initial settings. Note a sophisticated user should have that ability to change the default template and could change the default tab settings, etc. in the new default template. IMHO, as along as formatting tools that are easy to access (on/off) I do not see that default behavior initial state is very critical (on/off) for users. The default state should be determined by what makes sense for most users in most situations. Normally, I like most as default off. I think no one serious questioned why the ruler was default on, it had been default on in programs since the 80's. The original reasons, which I do not know/remember, probably were very sensible and practical for then. Kevin good job asking the question. Em 14-10-2011 23:00, Kévin PEIGNOT peignot.ke...@kpeignot.fr escreveu: Does a UI expert says what he thinks ? Because actually, it seems it should be disabled (majority seems to think this) Kévin -- Jay Lozier jsloz...@gmail.com -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-design] Hide ruler by default?
I am using ruler in Writer and also in Imress and Draw. But let's hear the UI gurus ;o) KAMI 2011-10-13 09:41 keltezéssel, Glenn de Groot írta: Hello people, yesterday I had a pretty good idea IMHO.I would like to see the ruler hidden by default in Libre Office 3.5.I know nobody who uses the ruler (on any office application), and I don´t use it either.Microsoft Office, Google Docs and I believe there are others, hide the ruler by default.Try it, go to View and deselect the ruler, it makes Libre Office a lot simpler.People who do need the ruler probably know where to find it. Thoughts? -Glenn de Groot -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-design] Hide ruler by default?
I never use the rulers, see no need for them in a word processor, or in a presentation. I can not speak for Mirek now but on his blog he talks about the Citrus UI hiding them by default. but I can say that in his UI mock ups there are no rulers. here is a link to his blog where he talks about it http://clickortap.wordpress.com/2010/10/27/citrus-tabs/ On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 6:41 AM, RGB ES rgb.m...@gmail.com wrote: 2011/10/13 Glenn de Groot glenn_de_gr...@hotmail.com Hello people, yesterday I had a pretty good idea IMHO.I would like to see the ruler hidden by default in Libre Office 3.5.I know nobody who uses the ruler (on any office application), and I don´t use it either.Microsoft Office, Google Docs and I believe there are others, hide the ruler by default.Try it, go to View and deselect the ruler, it makes Libre Office a lot simpler.People who do need the ruler probably know where to find it. Thoughts? -Glenn de Groot Rulers are useful for direct formatting, I think. Because I never use direct formatting I always turn off rulers... ;) There was a discussion (or more precisely, an attempt to start a discussion) about default values on LibO a couple of months ago. Maybe we need to restart it. Cheers Ricardo -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-design] Hide ruler by default?
Hy Personnaly, I always used Rulers (On word 2003, OOo, SYmphony or LibO), to place horizontally text or headers/footers. But I think it's not the case of the majority . Then, if rulers have to be kept, I think we should try to find a way to have them more discrete, because they are not very sexy, they take a big place and are not used a lot. It should really be investigated what do you think ? Kévin PS : Scuse, I've speak a horrible English, I know it. 2011/10/13 Andrew Pullins android2...@gmail.com I never use the rulers, see no need for them in a word processor, or in a presentation. I can not speak for Mirek now but on his blog he talks about the Citrus UI hiding them by default. but I can say that in his UI mock ups there are no rulers. here is a link to his blog where he talks about it http://clickortap.wordpress.com/2010/10/27/citrus-tabs/ On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 6:41 AM, RGB ES rgb.m...@gmail.com wrote: 2011/10/13 Glenn de Groot glenn_de_gr...@hotmail.com Hello people, yesterday I had a pretty good idea IMHO.I would like to see the ruler hidden by default in Libre Office 3.5.I know nobody who uses the ruler (on any office application), and I don´t use it either.Microsoft Office, Google Docs and I believe there are others, hide the ruler by default.Try it, go to View and deselect the ruler, it makes Libre Office a lot simpler.People who do need the ruler probably know where to find it. Thoughts? -Glenn de Groot Rulers are useful for direct formatting, I think. Because I never use direct formatting I always turn off rulers... ;) There was a discussion (or more precisely, an attempt to start a discussion) about default values on LibO a couple of months ago. Maybe we need to restart it. Cheers Ricardo -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
RE: [libreoffice-design] Hide ruler by default?
Hi, I too think the LibO should hide rulers by default. Just add some obvious button to show the ruler or do some sort of auto-hide animation. Evan -Original Message- From: Kévin PEIGNOT [mailto:peignot.ke...@kpeignot.fr] Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2011 4:24 PM To: design@global.libreoffice.org Subject: Re: [libreoffice-design] Hide ruler by default? Hy Personnaly, I always used Rulers (On word 2003, OOo, SYmphony or LibO), to place horizontally text or headers/footers. But I think it's not the case of the majority . Then, if rulers have to be kept, I think we should try to find a way to have them more discrete, because they are not very sexy, they take a big place and are not used a lot. It should really be investigated what do you think ? Kévin PS : Scuse, I've speak a horrible English, I know it. 2011/10/13 Andrew Pullins android2...@gmail.com I never use the rulers, see no need for them in a word processor, or in a presentation. I can not speak for Mirek now but on his blog he talks about the Citrus UI hiding them by default. but I can say that in his UI mock ups there are no rulers. here is a link to his blog where he talks about it http://clickortap.wordpress.com/2010/10/27/citrus-tabs/ On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 6:41 AM, RGB ES rgb.m...@gmail.com wrote: 2011/10/13 Glenn de Groot glenn_de_gr...@hotmail.com Hello people, yesterday I had a pretty good idea IMHO.I would like to see the ruler hidden by default in Libre Office 3.5.I know nobody who uses the ruler (on any office application), and I don´t use it either.Microsoft Office, Google Docs and I believe there are others, hide the ruler by default.Try it, go to View and deselect the ruler, it makes Libre Office a lot simpler.People who do need the ruler probably know where to find it. Thoughts? -Glenn de Groot Rulers are useful for direct formatting, I think. Because I never use direct formatting I always turn off rulers... ;) There was a discussion (or more precisely, an attempt to start a discussion) about default values on LibO a couple of months ago. Maybe we need to restart it. Cheers Ricardo -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe / Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
