Maybe it's time for a change. I do not like excessive stubbornness and
anchoring in the past. I do not think that is a matter of
manipulation. It's just one step. Fedora had a few wallpapers that
have not been very successful. Eventually we stop to go in parallel
with Fedora wallpaper. Gnome's
On Thu, Dec 23, 2010 at 10:27 AM, Catalin catalinf...@gmail.com wrote:
Maybe it's time for a change. I do not like excessive stubbornness and
anchoring in the past.
Change just for change's sake can be very dangerous. Decisions like this
have to be thought through properly. We can't just
Then let him decide . Do not waste your time writing emails .
2010/12/23 Fabian A. Scherschel f...@sixgun.org:
On Thu, Dec 23, 2010 at 10:27 AM, Catalin catalinf...@gmail.com wrote:
Maybe it's time for a change. I do not like excessive stubbornness and
anchoring in the past.
Change just
I'm not talking to you personally (just I reply to mail).
Of course it's your decision, which may be unanimous.
I could not see how I change your decision.
But watching the posts, I saw a basic idea - I do not agree with the
gnome wallpaper.
2010/12/24 Fabian A. Scherschel f...@sixgun.org:
On
On 12/22/2010 11:08 AM, Onyeibo Oku wrote:
On 12/22/2010 08:44 AM, Nicu Buculei wrote:
We had 4 competing design (Solar, InvinXible, Gears and Neon), nobody
backed down, it was impossible for the team to get to a consensus for a
winner, we had to vote which lead to huge debates, animosity and
On 12/22/2010 11:08 AM, Onyeibo Oku wrote:
That looks dangerously similar to what's happening -- I mean the
increased interest in Design-Team membership within the past 48hrs. I
don't feel too good any more (I moved the motion for votes). Only that
we have an 'alien' design to deal with time
On Wed, Dec 22, 2010 at 11:55 AM, Nicu Buculei nicu_fed...@nicubunu.rowrote:
I want to reiterate this: my *strong* preference is for us to not have
to vote but to reach a consensus. We are dangerously on the way for
something ugly. And I don't like it takes so long.
We need to be back
On 12/22/2010 12:01 PM, Fabian A. Scherschel wrote:
On Wed, Dec 22, 2010 at 11:55 AM, Nicu Buculei nicu_fed...@nicubunu.ro
mailto:nicu_fed...@nicubunu.ro wrote:
I want to reiterate this: my *strong* preference is for us to not have
to vote but to reach a consensus. We are
On Wed, 2010-12-22 at 12:55 +0200, Nicu Buculei wrote:
On 12/22/2010 11:08 AM, Onyeibo Oku wrote:
That looks dangerously similar to what's happening -- I mean the
increased interest in Design-Team membership within the past 48hrs. I
don't feel too good any more (I moved the motion for
Hi all,
Fab's comment below seems to be a recurring feeling in this thread that
I want to better understand.
How does using a wallpaper that was not a product of solely this team
[1] result in fear for the future of this team?
I understand that the wallpaper is a large part of the visual
Hey, Kirk!
I never said the team's existence was threatened. What I meant was the fact
that when I mention the Design Team to outsiders, the wallpaper is what
comes to their mind. For the outside world, that's largely what we do.
Losing this, if only temporarily, risks marginalising the Design
On 12/23/2010 06:32 AM, Kirk Bridger wrote:
Fab's comment below seems to be a recurring feeling in this thread that
I want to better understand.
Let me intervene here, as I am one of the older people around.
How does using a wallpaper that was not a product of solely this team
[1] result in
On Mon, Dec 20, 2010 at 6:07 PM, Bill Nottingham nott...@redhat.com wrote:
That's an absolutely horrible UI; it would be like asking them at
boot time what their shell should be, or their mail client, or their
web browser, or any number of other implementation details that just
serves to
On 12/21/2010 02:33 PM, Camilo Mesias wrote:
On Mon, Dec 20, 2010 at 6:07 PM, Bill Nottingham wrote:
That's an absolutely horrible UI; it would be like asking them at
boot time what their shell should be, or their mail client, or their
web browser, or any number of other implementation
Then if it's not sufficiently important to ask a user, it probably
isn't worth deliberating further.
Toss a coin or something? Provide a random default?
I wish there was more focus to package up and present alternative
themes than to provide a single look for each release. I'm thinking
that I
On 12/21/2010 03:39 PM, Camilo Mesias wrote:
I think this is wrong:
Provide the *better* default.
That assumes that there is such a thing as 'better' when really it's
subjective. X might be better for Fedora, Y might be better for Gnome
And this is the crux of the debate we have here, do we
On 12/21/2010 04:21 PM, Jaroslav Reznik wrote:
On Tuesday, December 21, 2010 03:15:05 pm Nicu Buculei wrote:
On 12/21/2010 03:39 PM, Camilo Mesias wrote:
I think this is wrong:
Provide the *better* default.
That assumes that there is such a thing as 'better' when really it's
subjective. X
Oh, come on!
Asking the user what wallpaper they want on boot is obviously nonsense!
Should we also ask them what colour icons they want or where the panels
should be? How about the browser or the default email program? Where does it
stop?
The job of a distribution is too decide on sensible
Hi,
On Tue, Dec 21, 2010 at 2:32 PM, twohot two...@fedoraproject.org wrote:
No. One default can be better than another. Even if you take a
subjective approach and take a poll. You'll get a clear winner ...
subjective as the result may appear, you have a more acceptable art.
It is important
Fab,
On Tue, Dec 21, 2010 at 2:53 PM, Fabian A. Scherschel f...@sixgun.org wrote:
Oh, come on!
Asking the user what wallpaper they want on boot is obviously nonsense!
Should we also ask them what colour icons they want or where the panels
should be? How about the browser or the default email
On 12/21/2010 11:14 PM, Camilo Mesias wrote:
On Tue, Dec 21, 2010 at 2:32 PM, twohot wrote:
No. One default can be better than another. Even if you take a
subjective approach and take a poll. You'll get a clear winner ...
subjective as the result may appear, you have a more acceptable art.
On 12/22/2010 07:44 AM, Nicu Buculei wrote:
snip
Ideally we would NOT vote (yes, I also think this is a bad way to make
the decision) but decide by consensus. We as a team tried to operate
this way all along (F10 was a bad exception we don't want to repeat).
I joined after F11. Would be
On 12/22/2010 09:11 AM, Onyeibo Oku wrote:
On 12/22/2010 07:44 AM, Nicu Buculei wrote:
snip
Ideally we would NOT vote (yes, I also think this is a bad way to make
the decision) but decide by consensus. We as a team tried to operate
this way all along (F10 was a bad exception we don't want to
em...@bensoftent.com (em...@bensoftent.com) said:
I think this is pretty easy, If GNOME 3.0 wallpaper must be there by
default, we could add in a new feature during bootup or just before a
users first login asking the user to choose between Fedora's Default
Wallpaper GNOME 3.0 Default
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