Re: [libreoffice-design] Re: Questions on UX/Design category on Discourse
Not much feedback, so let's conclude: * Please create one category on Discourse "Design/UX" without any subcategory. * We keep the mailing list. * ML users should not automatically registered. All further configuration should be possible later and on the Discourse platform. Thanks a lot, Heiko On 13.05.22 09:30, Heiko Tietze wrote: @all: Discourse is coming and Sophi asked about some details. Gave my 2¢, no strong opinion on any topic, and wonder what you think. Please comment. On 11.05.22 16:33, sophi wrote: > Hi Heiko, > > Here are some questions we will need answers from your team to ease the > migration and/or forum settings > > On categories/subcategories: > To create the categories you need on the Discourse Community instance, we would > like to know: > - will you use category only? What is the alternative? > - shall we close the mailing list after migration No, the ML should remain. > - what category should we create (name it as it should appear in > Community)? This is a question to everyone: I'm thinking of * Design (UX/design tasks like mockups), * Patches (simple easyhacks patches for example about terminology), * Vision (rather far-fetched ideas) * Presence (discussions about current topics) * Meetings (what this ML is lately most about) Given that we have not much discussion on the ML we could also start with just one pot. > - what sub categories should we create (name them as they should appear in > Community)? Note there is no third level categories. Understand Categories as a subcategory of all LibreOffice Discourse topics. Having more hierarchy would be an overkill. > - what color do you want for your category? Green, white? > On subscription/preferences > Now, there are several options that can help the migration. All these > options are accessible in the preferences, but please let us know what we should > do: > > - shall we mass subscribe mailing list users to Community? Thought topics on Discourse would be forwarded to the ML and vice versa anyway. > If yes, could you notify them to create a SSO account if it's not already done. Sending a message to the ML sounds feasible :-) > And in case they use different mail addresses, to add them all at > https://user.documentfoundation.org/edit > - shall we preset the category to in the watched list for "regulars" and > "digesters" subscribers. That means that they will receive email notifications > for each post under a watched category. Would be nice if users could configure the kind of notification. It's something one can opt-in on the ML as well. > Note that it's not possible to send digest mails, instead it's one > message per post, one message for each new thread, or no notifications > at all. > - nomailers subscribers will be ignored as there is not this possibility on > Discourse. Please inform your community > > - who should we subscribe to the category moderators. Volunteers, step forward > On migrating archives: > - do you want the archive of the list to be migrated to your category and > subcategories If you mean the listarchive this might be a nice to have, if we retire this service. > Do you see other settings/options that could help your migration? > For more details, please read: > https://redmine.documentfoundation.org/issues/3567#note-15 > and further for mail archives and subscribers. > > Thanks a lot in advance, > Cheers > Sophie -- Dr. Heiko Tietze, UX-Designer and UX-Mentor Tel: +49 30 5557992-63 | Mail: heiko.tie...@documentfoundation.org The Document Foundation, Kurfürstendamm 188, 10707 Berlin, DE Gemeinnützige rechtsfähige Stiftung des bürgerlichen Rechts Legal details: https://www.documentfoundation.org/imprint -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
[libreoffice-design] Re: Questions on UX/Design category on Discourse
Hi Heiko, Le 13/05/2022 à 09:30, Heiko Tietze a écrit : @all: Discourse is coming and Sophi asked about some details. Gave my 2¢, no strong opinion on any topic, and wonder what you think. Please comment. On 11.05.22 16:33, sophi wrote: > Hi Heiko, > > Here are some questions we will need answers from your team to ease the > migration and/or forum settings > > On categories/subcategories: > To create the categories you need on the Discourse Community instance, we would > like to know: > - will you use category only? What is the alternative? That means no more mailing list, only Discourse forum > - shall we close the mailing list after migration No, the ML should remain. > - what category should we create (name it as it should appear in > Community)? This is a question to everyone: I'm thinking of * Design (UX/design tasks like mockups), * Patches (simple easyhacks patches for example about terminology), * Vision (rather far-fetched ideas) * Presence (discussions about current topics) * Meetings (what this ML is lately most about) Given that we have not much discussion on the ML we could also start with just one pot. > - what sub categories should we create (name them as they should appear in > Community)? Note there is no third level categories. Understand Categories as a subcategory of all LibreOffice Discourse topics. Having more hierarchy would be an overkill. You will share the forum with NLPs and other projects. Imagine the FR project having also a Meeting subcategory, I don't think you want to share the content in French and English :) see how it's organized here: https://communitytest.documentfoundation.org/ > - what color do you want for your category? Green, white? > On subscription/preferences > Now, there are several options that can help the migration. All these > options are accessible in the preferences, but please let us know what we should > do: > > - shall we mass subscribe mailing list users to Community? Thought topics on Discourse would be forwarded to the ML and vice versa anyway. This is not possible as you can read it on the ticket. This is why you have to decide if the whole project migrate to Discourse or if you will use both mailing list and Discourse. > If yes, could you notify them to create a SSO account if it's not already done. Sending a message to the ML sounds feasible :-) > And in case they use different mail addresses, to add them all at > https://user.documentfoundation.org/edit > - shall we preset the category to in the watched list for "regulars" and > "digesters" subscribers. That means that they will receive email notifications > for each post under a watched category. Would be nice if users could configure the kind of notification. It's something one can opt-in on the ML as well. Users can configure their choices, but Guilhem can do some presets during the configuration of the category to help the migration. > Note that it's not possible to send digest mails, instead it's one > message per post, one message for each new thread, or no notifications > at all. > - nomailers subscribers will be ignored as there is not this possibility on > Discourse. Please inform your community > > - who should we subscribe to the category moderators. Volunteers, step forward > On migrating archives: > - do you want the archive of the list to be migrated to your category and > subcategories If you mean the listarchive this might be a nice to have, if we retire this service. Cheers Sophie -- Sophie Gautier so...@libreoffice.org GSM: +33683901545 IRC: soph Foundation coordinator The Document Foundation -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
Re: Fwd: [libreoffice-design] Re: Questions on UX/Design category on Discourse
Ok, so, I have to take back what I said, because I conflated Discourse with Discord (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1zSXh4a_1eg shows you what Discord is like) I take it that the LO discourse would look like this: https://ask.libreoffice.org/ but not for users to ask support questions? And design will be a subforum in Discourse, with its associated feed of updates and daily digest email of posts? I'm not saying I'm accepting the opposite position than I had before, just that I was arguing based on a completely false notion... Eyal -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
Re: Fwd: [libreoffice-design] Re: Questions on UX/Design category on Discourse
On 13.05.22 19:10, Eyal Rozenberg wrote: That's bells and whistles. You can activate the RSS feed or receive a digest email. Maybe I block all shiny things but the UI looks quite plain to me. TBH though, I haven't seen what the LO discourse looks like, so theoretically you may have turned some of them off - though I doubt it. Haven't seen myself. Replacing the _list archives_? Surely, you jest. That's like saying a... say, karaoke bar is a "modern front-end replacing the classic library". Not sure about listarchive but in the past we had Nabble to store and search messages sent to the ML. It has been retired and is replaced now by Discourse. It is also used for https://ask.libreoffice.org/ How was that discussion open? I'm on 3 LO-related channels and nobody informed any of them that such a discussion was taking place. Some search results: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/2018/msg00322.html https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/website/2020/msg00116.html https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/projects/msg02773.html https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/projects/msg02909.html https://redmine.documentfoundation.org/issues/2952 -- Dr. Heiko Tietze, UX-Designer and UX-Mentor Tel: +49 30 5557992-63 | Mail: heiko.tie...@documentfoundation.org The Document Foundation, Kurfürstendamm 188, 10707 Berlin, DE Gemeinnützige rechtsfähige Stiftung des bürgerlichen Rechts Legal details: https://www.documentfoundation.org/imprint -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
Re: Fwd: [libreoffice-design] Re: Questions on UX/Design category on Discourse
On 13/05/2022 19:40, Heiko Tietze wrote: Discourse is no bells and whistles It has: * Moving content * Dozens of pictures in the window * Hundreds of visual elements, if we include all of the labels, and badges, and what-not That's bells and whistles. TBH though, I haven't seen what the LO discourse looks like, so theoretically you may have turned some of them off - though I doubt it. but a modern frontend replacing the classic list archive. Replacing the _list archives_? Surely, you jest. That's like saying a... say, karaoke bar is a "modern front-end replacing the classic library". It has the additional benefit of being a discussion forum, actually forums since we can have categories. It's not a discussion forum. It's a hierarchy of chat channels. Not at all the same thing. There was an open discussion for month whether or not and how we should introduce it. This cookie has been eaten. How was that discussion open? I'm on 3 LO-related channels and nobody informed any of them that such a discussion was taking place. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
Re: Fwd: [libreoffice-design] Re: Questions on UX/Design category on Discourse
From: Eyal Rozenberg I actually don't like Discourse. For live chat, meh, I guess it's ok, but I'd rather have less distracting bells and whistles. I don't see how it can be an alternative to mailing lists or discussion forums, at all; I would avoid having a serious discussion there. What are we supposed to be using discourse for, again? Discourse is no bells and whistles but a modern frontend replacing the classic list archive. It has the additional benefit of being a discussion forum, actually forums since we can have categories. There was an open discussion for month whether or not and how we should introduce it. This cookie has been eaten. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
Fwd: [libreoffice-design] Re: Questions on UX/Design category on Discourse
Forwarded Message Subject: Re: [libreoffice-design] Re: Questions on UX/Design category on Discourse Date: Fri, 13 May 2022 16:36:00 +0300 From: Eyal Rozenberg To: Heiko Tietze , sophi On 13/05/2022 10:30, Heiko Tietze wrote: @all: Discourse is coming and Sophi asked about some details. Gave my 2¢, no strong opinion on any topic, and wonder what you think. Please comment. I actually don't like Discourse. For live chat, meh, I guess it's ok, but I'd rather have less distracting bells and whistles. I don't see how it can be an alternative to mailing lists or discussion forums, at all; I would avoid having a serious discussion there. What are we supposed to be using discourse for, again? I'm replying to just the two of you for now. Eyal -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
[libreoffice-design] Re: Questions on UX/Design category on Discourse
@all: Discourse is coming and Sophi asked about some details. Gave my 2¢, no strong opinion on any topic, and wonder what you think. Please comment. On 11.05.22 16:33, sophi wrote: > Hi Heiko, > > Here are some questions we will need answers from your team to ease the > migration and/or forum settings > > On categories/subcategories: > To create the categories you need on the Discourse Community instance, we would > like to know: > - will you use category only? What is the alternative? > - shall we close the mailing list after migration No, the ML should remain. > - what category should we create (name it as it should appear in > Community)? This is a question to everyone: I'm thinking of * Design (UX/design tasks like mockups), * Patches (simple easyhacks patches for example about terminology), * Vision (rather far-fetched ideas) * Presence (discussions about current topics) * Meetings (what this ML is lately most about) Given that we have not much discussion on the ML we could also start with just one pot. > - what sub categories should we create (name them as they should appear in > Community)? Note there is no third level categories. Understand Categories as a subcategory of all LibreOffice Discourse topics. Having more hierarchy would be an overkill. > - what color do you want for your category? Green, white? > On subscription/preferences > Now, there are several options that can help the migration. All these > options are accessible in the preferences, but please let us know what we should > do: > > - shall we mass subscribe mailing list users to Community? Thought topics on Discourse would be forwarded to the ML and vice versa anyway. > If yes, could you notify them to create a SSO account if it's not already done. Sending a message to the ML sounds feasible :-) > And in case they use different mail addresses, to add them all at > https://user.documentfoundation.org/edit > - shall we preset the category to in the watched list for "regulars" and > "digesters" subscribers. That means that they will receive email notifications > for each post under a watched category. Would be nice if users could configure the kind of notification. It's something one can opt-in on the ML as well. > Note that it's not possible to send digest mails, instead it's one > message per post, one message for each new thread, or no notifications > at all. > - nomailers subscribers will be ignored as there is not this possibility on > Discourse. Please inform your community > > - who should we subscribe to the category moderators. Volunteers, step forward > On migrating archives: > - do you want the archive of the list to be migrated to your category and > subcategories If you mean the listarchive this might be a nice to have, if we retire this service. > Do you see other settings/options that could help your migration? > For more details, please read: > https://redmine.documentfoundation.org/issues/3567#note-15 > and further for mail archives and subscribers. > > Thanks a lot in advance, > Cheers > Sophie -- Dr. Heiko Tietze, UX-Designer and UX-Mentor Tel: +49 30 5557992-63 | Mail: heiko.tie...@documentfoundation.org The Document Foundation, Kurfürstendamm 188, 10707 Berlin, DE Gemeinnützige rechtsfähige Stiftung des bürgerlichen Rechts Legal details: https://www.documentfoundation.org/imprint -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
