Re: [libreoffice-design] Guideline for floating widgets
Hi Heiko, Heiko Tietze wrote on 05-06-18 11:28: > The floating widget is like a toolwindow, similar to compose a > message. And I'm very happy that an accidental press of escape > doesn't close this dialog (using Thunderbird as well). I experience that in a different way. Selecting a color, arrow type, ... is not the same as writing an email. And indeed, we miss a way to close such a widget by key board. If not by ESC (which seems natural to me) we this is a good moment to look at what else, IMO. Cheers, Cor -- Cor Nouws GPD key ID: 0xB13480A6 - 591A 30A7 36A0 CE3C 3D28 A038 E49D 7365 B134 80A6 - vrijwilliger http://nl.libreoffice.org - volunteer http://www.libreoffice.org - Member The Document Foundation -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
Re: [libreoffice-design] Guideline for floating widgets
See the section uses of Escape on Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Esc_key#Uses See also this explanation : https://techterms.com/definition/escape_key See also this: https://support.office.com/en-us/article/keyboard-shortcuts-in-outlook-on-the-web-63df572e-1078-4562-b45e-b93e07a76ffb (search for "Press the Esc key to close any open form or dialog box.") Best regards, Alex. Le 05/06/2018 à 11:28, Heiko Tietze a écrit : The floating widget is like a toolwindow, similar to compose a message. And I'm very happy that an accidental press of escape doesn't close this dialog (using Thunderbird as well). Resizability is permitted for dialogs in LibreOffice, though I dont find the guideline anymore (wait, it was a discussion on the mailing list [1]), in order to keep the content at place. [1] http://document-foundation-mail-archive.969070.n3.nabble.com/Resizability-of-the-dialogs-tc4131982.html maybe other messages too On 05.06.2018 10:58, Alex ARNAUD wrote: First of all, thanks for sharing the guidelines Heiko. I'm pretty agree about all except for the usage of escape. When I teach computer, I always explain that escape is used inside the window to close floating window, menu and dialog. For example, on Thunderbird, escape could close a message window or on LibreOffice 6.0 when I open the save dialog, I could close it with escape. IMO, we should let floating windows resizable. I don't understand what is the problem. Best regards, Alex. Le 05/06/2018 à 09:14, Heiko Tietze a écrit : Based on https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=87239 I drafted a guideline for floating widgets at https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design/Selection#Appearance. Your review and opinion is welcome. Cheers, Heiko -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
Re: [libreoffice-design] Guideline for floating widgets
Thanks for the clarification. Then I think your guidelines are excellent. On Tue, Jun 5, 2018 at 10:44 AM Heiko Tietze wrote: > Floatiness of the sidebar is an evergreen and has been discussed several > times in the meeting. The sidebar has its own HIG. > > On 05.06.2018 11:38, Pedro Rosmaninho wrote: > > I think the reasoning is well thought and laid out by Heiko. the > resizability doesn't seem to be a big problem for me. Except if the > floating widget looks extremely small in HiDpi displays? (can't test) > > > > Just one question though: where does the floating Sidebar fit into this? > I tried to resize other floating widgets and couldn't, but I can resize the > floating Sidebar. And I could see why resizing it could be useful (as > opposed to the other floating widgets). > > -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
Re: [libreoffice-design] Guideline for floating widgets
Floatiness of the sidebar is an evergreen and has been discussed several times in the meeting. The sidebar has its own HIG. On 05.06.2018 11:38, Pedro Rosmaninho wrote: > I think the reasoning is well thought and laid out by Heiko. the resizability > doesn't seem to be a big problem for me. Except if the floating widget looks > extremely small in HiDpi displays? (can't test) > > Just one question though: where does the floating Sidebar fit into this? I > tried to resize other floating widgets and couldn't, but I can resize the > floating Sidebar. And I could see why resizing it could be useful (as opposed > to the other floating widgets). -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
Re: [libreoffice-design] Guideline for floating widgets
I think the reasoning is well thought and laid out by Heiko. the resizability doesn't seem to be a big problem for me. Except if the floating widget looks extremely small in HiDpi displays? (can't test) Just one question though: where does the floating Sidebar fit into this? I tried to resize other floating widgets and couldn't, but I can resize the floating Sidebar. And I could see why resizing it could be useful (as opposed to the other floating widgets). On Tue, Jun 5, 2018 at 10:28 AM Heiko Tietze wrote: > The floating widget is like a toolwindow, similar to compose a message. > And I'm very happy that an accidental press of escape doesn't close this > dialog (using Thunderbird as well). Resizability is permitted for dialogs > in LibreOffice, though I dont find the guideline anymore (wait, it was a > discussion on the mailing list [1]), in order to keep the content at place. > > [1] > http://document-foundation-mail-archive.969070.n3.nabble.com/Resizability-of-the-dialogs-tc4131982.html > maybe other messages too > > On 05.06.2018 10:58, Alex ARNAUD wrote: > > First of all, thanks for sharing the guidelines Heiko. > > > > I'm pretty agree about all except for the usage of escape. When I teach > computer, I always explain that escape is used inside the window to close > floating window, menu and dialog. For example, on Thunderbird, escape could > close a message window or on LibreOffice 6.0 when I open the save dialog, I > could close it with escape. > > > > IMO, we should let floating windows resizable. I don't understand what > is the problem. > > > > Best regards, > > Alex. > > > > Le 05/06/2018 à 09:14, Heiko Tietze a écrit : > >> Based on https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=87239 I > drafted a guideline for floating widgets at > https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design/Selection#Appearance. Your > review and opinion is welcome. > >> > >> Cheers, > >> Heiko > >> > >> > > > -- > To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org > Problems? > https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ > Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette > List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ > Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy > -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
Re: [libreoffice-design] Guideline for floating widgets
The floating widget is like a toolwindow, similar to compose a message. And I'm very happy that an accidental press of escape doesn't close this dialog (using Thunderbird as well). Resizability is permitted for dialogs in LibreOffice, though I dont find the guideline anymore (wait, it was a discussion on the mailing list [1]), in order to keep the content at place. [1] http://document-foundation-mail-archive.969070.n3.nabble.com/Resizability-of-the-dialogs-tc4131982.html maybe other messages too On 05.06.2018 10:58, Alex ARNAUD wrote: > First of all, thanks for sharing the guidelines Heiko. > > I'm pretty agree about all except for the usage of escape. When I teach > computer, I always explain that escape is used inside the window to close > floating window, menu and dialog. For example, on Thunderbird, escape could > close a message window or on LibreOffice 6.0 when I open the save dialog, I > could close it with escape. > > IMO, we should let floating windows resizable. I don't understand what is the > problem. > > Best regards, > Alex. > > Le 05/06/2018 à 09:14, Heiko Tietze a écrit : >> Based on https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=87239 I drafted >> a guideline for floating widgets at >> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design/Selection#Appearance. Your review >> and opinion is welcome. >> >> Cheers, >> Heiko >> >> -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
Re: [libreoffice-design] Guideline for floating widgets
First of all, thanks for sharing the guidelines Heiko. I'm pretty agree about all except for the usage of escape. When I teach computer, I always explain that escape is used inside the window to close floating window, menu and dialog. For example, on Thunderbird, escape could close a message window or on LibreOffice 6.0 when I open the save dialog, I could close it with escape. IMO, we should let floating windows resizable. I don't understand what is the problem. Best regards, Alex. Le 05/06/2018 à 09:14, Heiko Tietze a écrit : Based on https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=87239 I drafted a guideline for floating widgets at https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design/Selection#Appearance. Your review and opinion is welcome. Cheers, Heiko -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
