Re: [Bug 283278] Re: When FUSA applet has shutdown/logout items are duplicated in System menu

2009-03-30 Thread Martin Pitt
Hello Dovel, Dovel [2009-03-29 22:04 -]: Not going to change to an applet I don't even want on my panel. It has no use for me. If you don't need it, just remove it, and the System menu entries will reappear. -- When FUSA applet has shutdown/logout items are duplicated in System menu

Re: [Bug 283278] Re: When FUSA applet has shutdown/logout items are duplicated in System menu

2009-03-04 Thread Ted Gould
On Wed, 2009-03-04 at 08:18 +, Matthew East wrote: Lots of people will remove the FUSA applet, either intentionally to save panel space (because they don't have multi-user systems and can't see the point of the huge long applet) or accidentally, so I can't see that we can avoid documenting

Re: [Bug 283278] Re: When FUSA applet has shutdown/logout items are duplicated in System menu

2009-03-04 Thread Ted Gould
On Wed, 2009-03-04 at 12:24 +, wensveen wrote: About the implementation of this patch: isn't there any way FUSA could disable stuff in the gnome-panel, instead of the gnome-panel looking for FUSA? That would be a little more future-proof. FUSA might not be around forever. Not really

Re: [Bug 283278] Re: When FUSA applet has shutdown/logout items are duplicated in System menu

2009-03-04 Thread Matthew East
On Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 2:13 PM, Ted Gould t...@gould.cx wrote: On Wed, 2009-03-04 at 08:18 +, Matthew East wrote: Lots of people will remove the FUSA applet, either intentionally to save panel space (because they don't have multi-user systems and can't see the point of the huge long

Re: [Bug 283278] Re: When FUSA applet has shutdown/logout items are duplicated in System menu

2009-03-04 Thread Ted Gould
On Wed, 2009-03-04 at 14:34 +, Matthew East wrote: Although your first point is one worth considering, I don't think the last sentence is logical. There are no obvious reasons to remove the system menu - it contains a lot of crucial applications. On the other hand, even though I haven't

Re: [Bug 283278] Re: When FUSA applet has shutdown/logout items are duplicated in System menu

2009-03-04 Thread Matthew East
On Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 2:53 PM, Ted Gould t...@gould.cx wrote: On Wed, 2009-03-04 at 14:34 +, Matthew East wrote: Although your first point is one worth considering, I don't think the last sentence is logical. There are no obvious reasons to remove the system menu - it contains a lot of

Re: [Bug 283278] Re: When FUSA applet has shutdown/logout items are duplicated in System menu

2009-02-25 Thread Ted Gould
On Thu, 2009-02-26 at 01:41 +, wensveen wrote: BTW, I happened to like these items under system. I also like to be able to switch users fast, but I don't like the fact that fusa can do all kinds of other stuff as well, like configuring the login screen, displaying pidgin status, etc. But

Re: [Bug 283278] Re: When FUSA applet has shutdown/logout items are duplicated in System menu

2008-11-01 Thread Mark Shuttleworth
You need to install the user switcher yourself, I'm afraid. Right click on the top panel, choose Add to Panel and go from there. I would recommend putting it in the top right. Mark -- When FUSA applet has shutdown/logout items are duplicated in System menu

Re: [Bug 283278] Re: When FUSA applet has shutdown/logout items are duplicated in System menu

2008-11-01 Thread teseglet
Thanks but the user switcher, when added to the panel, does not include the shutdown or restart options, which is what I am looking for. I even tried reloading the applet from synaptic. No worries. I'm just about to start a fresh install. -Tom Mark Shuttleworth wrote: You need to install

Re: [Bug 283278] Re: When FUSA applet has shutdown/logout items are duplicated in System menu

2008-10-16 Thread Mark Shuttleworth
Ted Gould wrote: While I agree that it should be dynamic, the goal was to make the patch as small as possible considering the date in the release cycle. The reality is that, to make it dynamic, will require introducing some plumbing into gnome-panel that is not really there. Since it

Re: [Bug 283278] Re: When FUSA applet has shutdown/logout items are duplicated in System menu

2008-10-16 Thread Ted Gould
On Thu, 2008-10-16 at 13:53 +, Rodney Dawes wrote: Ted, if that's the case, then why bother with it at all? You could just wait until the new panel comes about, and have it Just Work (TM) without all the breakage in the meantime, because the patch is inadequate for dealing with a lot of

Re: [Bug 283278] Re: When FUSA applet has shutdown/logout items are duplicated in System menu

2008-10-16 Thread Mark Shuttleworth
No, Scott, I'd like to backport the fix as an SRU. -- When FUSA applet has shutdown/logout items are duplicated in System menu https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/283278 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to gnome-panel in ubuntu.

Re: [Bug 283278] Re: When FUSA applet has shutdown/logout items are duplicated in System menu

2008-10-16 Thread Scott James Remnant
On Thu, 2008-10-16 at 15:55 +, Mark Shuttleworth wrote: No, Scott, I'd like to backport the fix as an SRU. Sorry Mark, but changing a behaviour such as the ability to log out *after* a release is insane! All of the documentation and screenshots refer to the existence of those menu

Re: [Bug 283278] Re: When FUSA applet has shutdown/logout items are duplicated in System menu

2008-10-16 Thread Mark Shuttleworth
Scott James Remnant wrote: On Thu, 2008-10-16 at 15:55 +, Mark Shuttleworth wrote: No, Scott, I'd like to backport the fix as an SRU. Sorry Mark, but changing a behaviour such as the ability to log out *after* a release is insane! Then reconsider the position before the

Re: [Bug 283278] Re: When FUSA applet has shutdown/logout items are duplicated in System menu

2008-10-15 Thread Mark Shuttleworth
Martin Pitt wrote: Right, I just don't see how to sanely do that use that button over here educationary UI in the current state of intrepid (or at all, but that requires some UI expert). Exactly, so the better option is to move it, and let people figure it out. The current patch shows

Re: [Bug 283278] Re: When FUSA applet has shutdown/logout items are duplicated in System menu

2008-10-15 Thread Ted Gould
On Wed, 2008-10-15 at 10:04 +, Martin Pitt wrote: Sebastian, Ted, how can this be done sanely on upgrades? It'd require some heuristics to figure out which of the existing panel objects can be moved to the left, until we hit one which we can squeeze by the width of fusa, and thus where the

Re: [Bug 283278] Re: When FUSA applet has shutdown/logout items are duplicated in System menu

2008-10-15 Thread Ted Gould
On Wed, 2008-10-15 at 08:27 +, Martin Pitt wrote: So what should happen exactly for intrepid and for further releases? Dynamic system menu? That needs to be implemented *very* quickly now (Intrepid freezes tomorrow, and has been in UI freeze for a long time already). I think future

Re: [Bug 283278] Re: When FUSA applet has shutdown/logout items are duplicated in System menu

2008-10-15 Thread Mark Shuttleworth
Sebastien Bacher wrote: We should certainly place the FUSA in the top right, and lock it, for all users. what do we do for users who changed their gnome-panel to only have one bar at the bottom of the screen for example? that's quite a common scenario Good point. We should pop it

Re: [Bug 283278] Re: When FUSA applet has shutdown/logout items are duplicated in System menu

2008-10-15 Thread Mark Shuttleworth
Sebastien Bacher wrote: I've nothing against the change and having a preference letting the user select the layout to use would be alright No, we don't want to introduce tons of preferences just to let people stay on an old layout. but doing dynamic menus change depending of the configured

Re: [Bug 283278] Re: When FUSA applet has shutdown/logout items are duplicated in System menu

2008-10-15 Thread Mark Shuttleworth
Martin Pitt wrote: Mark Shuttleworth [2008-10-15 7:34 -]: No we don't. We only need the system menu entries if someone has removed fusa. We will place fusa correctly for everyone on upgrade, and only show a single set of menu entries. As I said, once we actually do this, I

Re: [Bug 283278] Re: When FUSA applet has shutdown/logout items are duplicated in System menu

2008-10-15 Thread Martin Pitt
Mark Shuttleworth [2008-10-15 8:56 -]: We should place the menu in the correct place for all users - new, upgrade, regardless of their configuration. OK, it's at least much more consistent than the dynamic menu black magic. We should certainly place the FUSA in the top right, and lock

Re: [Bug 283278] Re: When FUSA applet has shutdown/logout items are duplicated in System menu

2008-10-15 Thread Martin Pitt
Mark Shuttleworth [2008-10-15 7:34 -]: No we don't. We only need the system menu entries if someone has removed fusa. We will place fusa correctly for everyone on upgrade, and only show a single set of menu entries. As I said, once we actually do this, I could live with it, but right

Re: [Bug 283278] Re: When FUSA applet has shutdown/logout items are duplicated in System menu

2008-10-14 Thread Martin Pitt
Mark Shuttleworth [2008-10-14 16:37 -]: I think there is a simultaneous proposal to ensure that everyone gets the FUSA applet, in the right place. That was bug 274146, but it does not apply to everyone, just to everyone who previously had fusa or the logout applet. -- When FUSA applet has

Re: [Bug 283278] Re: When FUSA applet has shutdown/logout items are duplicated in System menu

2008-10-14 Thread Martin Pitt
Hi Mark, Mark Shuttleworth [2008-10-14 16:36 -]: It would be poor to end up with multiple menu items on the panel that do the same thing. Aside from the fact that gnome-power-manager is already duplicating functionality, too (suspend/resume), what is actually so bad about this? What do

Re: [Bug 283278] Re: When FUSA applet has shutdown/logout items are duplicated in System menu

2008-10-14 Thread Mark Shuttleworth
Martin Pitt wrote: Aside from the fact that gnome-power-manager is already duplicating functionality, too (suspend/resume), what is actually so bad about this? It's bad form, from a usability perspective, to have lots of ways to achieve the same goal. It's reasonable to lead people from one

Re: [Bug 283278] Re: When FUSA applet has shutdown/logout items are duplicated in System menu

2008-10-14 Thread Martin Pitt
Mark Shuttleworth [2008-10-14 18:44 -]: It's bad form, from a usability perspective, to have lots of ways to achieve the same goal. Agreed on that. It's reasonable to lead people from one place where they often go and peek to try and get something done to the right place Right, I just

Re: [Bug 283278] Re: When FUSA applet has shutdown/logout items are duplicated in System menu

2008-10-14 Thread Mark Shuttleworth
Martin Pitt wrote: If we drop them, we need to document two different ways for doing that, once for people having fusa, and another for people who don't. Since earlier Ubuntu releases didn't install either the logout or fusa, they don't have another way, and got used to the system menu.

Re: [Bug 283278] Re: When FUSA applet has shutdown/logout items are duplicated in System menu

2008-10-14 Thread Mark Shuttleworth
It would be poor to end up with multiple menu items on the panel that do the same thing. What do you suggest we can do to shift the standard behavior for folks who are used to the old way of doing it? Mark -- When FUSA applet has shutdown/logout items are duplicated in System menu