subject:"\[Bug 518056\]"

Gunnar,

My guess here is based on history but maybe I am wrong
The reason we Brazilians use the US international keyboard so much is
because in the '70s and '80s we didn't have a national industry to cope
with our internal demands for products related to computers. Almost every
single computer we had was imported (leggaly or illegally) from USA or it
was a clone made by our industry based on an US computer model.

Portugal may have had a similar issue (I am especulating here) because they
were also under a dictatorship for some time, but in their case if a
similar situation occurred than they would probably had access to some
design made in Europe instead of something from US. Again, I am
especulating... It is just a theory but Leandro pointed out that he made a
brief research about this issue being relevant to Portuguese people and he
found some links to substantiate the claim that Portugueses would be
benefited from this fix.

Kind Regards

Calvo

On Thu, Apr 2, 2015, 19:50 Gunnar Hjalmarsson 518...@bugs.launchpad.net
wrote:

 Thanks for your comments re pt_PT, Leandro.

 As long as we consider setting LC_CTYPE, in any of the ways mentioned in
 comment #96, a fix, it should be noted that '+c results in ç
 irrespective of which keyboard layout you use. In other words, the
 changed behavior is not conditioned by the use of an English US
 international keyboard layout, as Raphael suggested in comment #98. I
 assume that this was considered a reasonable behavior for Brazilian
 users, considering which physical keyboards are typically used in
 Brazil.

 We could propose a change to the libx11 package which adds a
 /usr/share/X11/locale/pt_PT.UTF-8/Compose file. But before proposing
 such a change I would like to ask if it would make as much sense for
 users living in Portugal as the corresponding Brazilian file makes for
 users living in Brazil.

 * Do users who live in Portugal use an English US international
   keyboard layout as often as Brazilian users do, or do they typically
   use some Portuguese keyboard layout?

 * Since the behavior may make typing certain other European languages
   more difficult, is that drawback possibly of greater importance for
   users living in Portugal (Europe)?

 The only Portuguese locales which are supported in Ubuntu are pt_PT and
 pt_BR.

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   cedilla appears as accented c (ć instead of ç) when typing 'c

 Status in central project for keyboard configuration:
   Confirmed
 Status in gtk+2.0 package in Ubuntu:
   Confirmed
 Status in language-selector package in Ubuntu:
   Fix Released
 Status in libx11 package in Ubuntu:
   New
 Status in xkeyboard-config package in Ubuntu:
   Confirmed

 Bug description:

   When typing in a US-international keyboard with dead-keys (or
 UK-international),
   typing 'c results in an accented c instead of a cedilla.

   There is a workaround, which is editing the

   /usr/lib/gtk-2.0/2.10.0/immodule-files.d/libgtk2.0-0.immodules

   file and changing the line

   cedilla Cedilla gtk20 /usr/share/locale
   az:ca:co:fr:gv:oc:pt:sq:tr:wa

   to

   cedilla Cedilla gtk20 /usr/share/locale
   az:ca:co:fr:gv:oc:pt:sq:tr:wa:en

   (add the 'en' at the end).

   However, every time some update on this file is applied, one looses the
 change,
   and we get back to the accented c. That means having to modify the file
 again,
   logout and login.

   For me this is no problem. But for my brother, mom, dad, etc, it is
 always something
   that at least makes me less proud of having convinced them to use
 Ubuntu, because
   they don't know what to do each time this happens.

   I think we really need a configurable keyboard layout, or at least (and
 that would
   be very easy), the inclusion of alternate layouts on install that for
 the dead-key
   options (as US-deadkey and UK-deakey), alternate layouts as
 US-deadkey-cedilla.

   This change is relevant for at least Portuguese and French.

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Re: [Bug 518056] Re: cedilla appears as accented c (ć instead of ç) when typing 'c

One more thing...

In the glory days of DR-DOS/MS-DOS, if I am not mistaken,  there was no
keyboard setup specially made for Brazil regarding US International
keyboard. It was a setup for Latin languages, I.e., every country that has
a latin language was affected (French, portuguese, Italian...)

Regards

Calvo

On Fri, Apr 3, 2015, 09:39 Raphael Calvo raphael.ca...@gmail.com
wrote:

 Gunnar,

 My guess here is based on history but maybe I am wrong
 The reason we Brazilians use the US international keyboard so much is
 because in the '70s and '80s we didn't have a national industry to cope
 with our internal demands for products related to computers. Almost every
 single computer we had was imported (leggaly or illegally) from USA or it
 was a clone made by our industry based on an US computer model.

 Portugal may have had a similar issue (I am especulating here) because
 they were also under a dictatorship for some time, but in their case if a
 similar situation occurred than they would probably had access to some
 design made in Europe instead of something from US. Again, I am
 especulating... It is just a theory but Leandro pointed out that he made a
 brief research about this issue being relevant to Portuguese people and he
 found some links to substantiate the claim that Portugueses would be
 benefited from this fix.

 Kind Regards

 Calvo

 On Thu, Apr 2, 2015, 19:50 Gunnar Hjalmarsson 518...@bugs.launchpad.net
 wrote:

 Thanks for your comments re pt_PT, Leandro.

 As long as we consider setting LC_CTYPE, in any of the ways mentioned in
 comment #96, a fix, it should be noted that '+c results in ç
 irrespective of which keyboard layout you use. In other words, the
 changed behavior is not conditioned by the use of an English US
 international keyboard layout, as Raphael suggested in comment #98. I
 assume that this was considered a reasonable behavior for Brazilian
 users, considering which physical keyboards are typically used in
 Brazil.

 We could propose a change to the libx11 package which adds a
 /usr/share/X11/locale/pt_PT.UTF-8/Compose file. But before proposing
 such a change I would like to ask if it would make as much sense for
 users living in Portugal as the corresponding Brazilian file makes for
 users living in Brazil.

 * Do users who live in Portugal use an English US international
   keyboard layout as often as Brazilian users do, or do they typically
   use some Portuguese keyboard layout?

 * Since the behavior may make typing certain other European languages
   more difficult, is that drawback possibly of greater importance for
   users living in Portugal (Europe)?

 The only Portuguese locales which are supported in Ubuntu are pt_PT and
 pt_BR.

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 Title:
   cedilla appears as accented c (ć instead of ç) when typing 'c

 Status in central project for keyboard configuration:
   Confirmed
 Status in gtk+2.0 package in Ubuntu:
   Confirmed
 Status in language-selector package in Ubuntu:
   Fix Released
 Status in libx11 package in Ubuntu:
   New
 Status in xkeyboard-config package in Ubuntu:
   Confirmed

 Bug description:

   When typing in a US-international keyboard with dead-keys (or
 UK-international),
   typing 'c results in an accented c instead of a cedilla.

   There is a workaround, which is editing the

   /usr/lib/gtk-2.0/2.10.0/immodule-files.d/libgtk2.0-0.immodules

   file and changing the line

   cedilla Cedilla gtk20 /usr/share/locale
   az:ca:co:fr:gv:oc:pt:sq:tr:wa

   to

   cedilla Cedilla gtk20 /usr/share/locale
   az:ca:co:fr:gv:oc:pt:sq:tr:wa:en

   (add the 'en' at the end).

   However, every time some update on this file is applied, one looses the
 change,
   and we get back to the accented c. That means having to modify the file
 again,
   logout and login.

   For me this is no problem. But for my brother, mom, dad, etc, it is
 always something
   that at least makes me less proud of having convinced them to use
 Ubuntu, because
   they don't know what to do each time this happens.

   I think we really need a configurable keyboard layout, or at least (and
 that would
   be very easy), the inclusion of alternate layouts on install that for
 the dead-key
   options (as US-deadkey and UK-deakey), alternate layouts as
 US-deadkey-cedilla.

   This change is relevant for at least Portuguese and French.

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Re: [Bug 518056] Re: cedilla appears as accented c (ć instead of ç) when typing 'c

Gunnar

Thank you very much for your time trying to solve this bug with the
community.

It is really important for us in Brazil and for Ubuntu as well.

Best regards man!

On Fri, Apr 3, 2015, 10:50 Raphael Calvo raphael.ca...@gmail.com
wrote:

 Gunnar,
 I do agree we must have input from someone from Portugal to validate
 everything we are saying...
 But, even though I especulated about Portugal history the other post with
 MS-DOS configuration data is solid data and can be corroborated with a
 simple web research.

 Regards.

 On Fri, Apr 3, 2015, 10:35 Gunnar Hjalmarsson 518...@bugs.launchpad.net
 wrote:

 Thanks for the additional info, Raphael!

 Both Leandro's research and your input indeed indicate that we should
 make the same change for pt_PT, but it would be good if someone living
 in Portugal could comment on it first, so we don't upload something
 based on speculation.

 Are you Brazilian guys reasonably satisfied with 'the LC_CTYPE approach'
 for now?

 As regards the possible future fcitx issue I mentioned, I filed bug
 #1439231.

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 Title:
   cedilla appears as accented c (ć instead of ç) when typing 'c

 Status in central project for keyboard configuration:
   Confirmed
 Status in gtk+2.0 package in Ubuntu:
   Confirmed
 Status in language-selector package in Ubuntu:
   Fix Released
 Status in libx11 package in Ubuntu:
   New
 Status in xkeyboard-config package in Ubuntu:
   Confirmed

 Bug description:

   When typing in a US-international keyboard with dead-keys (or
 UK-international),
   typing 'c results in an accented c instead of a cedilla.

   There is a workaround, which is editing the

   /usr/lib/gtk-2.0/2.10.0/immodule-files.d/libgtk2.0-0.immodules

   file and changing the line

   cedilla Cedilla gtk20 /usr/share/locale
   az:ca:co:fr:gv:oc:pt:sq:tr:wa

   to

   cedilla Cedilla gtk20 /usr/share/locale
   az:ca:co:fr:gv:oc:pt:sq:tr:wa:en

   (add the 'en' at the end).

   However, every time some update on this file is applied, one looses the
 change,
   and we get back to the accented c. That means having to modify the file
 again,
   logout and login.

   For me this is no problem. But for my brother, mom, dad, etc, it is
 always something
   that at least makes me less proud of having convinced them to use
 Ubuntu, because
   they don't know what to do each time this happens.

   I think we really need a configurable keyboard layout, or at least (and
 that would
   be very easy), the inclusion of alternate layouts on install that for
 the dead-key
   options (as US-deadkey and UK-deakey), alternate layouts as
 US-deadkey-cedilla.

   This change is relevant for at least Portuguese and French.

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Re: [Bug 518056] Re: cedilla appears as accented c (ć instead of ç) when typing 'c

Gunnar,
I do agree we must have input from someone from Portugal to validate
everything we are saying...
But, even though I especulated about Portugal history the other post with
MS-DOS configuration data is solid data and can be corroborated with a
simple web research.

Regards.

On Fri, Apr 3, 2015, 10:35 Gunnar Hjalmarsson 518...@bugs.launchpad.net
wrote:

 Thanks for the additional info, Raphael!

 Both Leandro's research and your input indeed indicate that we should
 make the same change for pt_PT, but it would be good if someone living
 in Portugal could comment on it first, so we don't upload something
 based on speculation.

 Are you Brazilian guys reasonably satisfied with 'the LC_CTYPE approach'
 for now?

 As regards the possible future fcitx issue I mentioned, I filed bug
 #1439231.

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 Title:
   cedilla appears as accented c (ć instead of ç) when typing 'c

 Status in central project for keyboard configuration:
   Confirmed
 Status in gtk+2.0 package in Ubuntu:
   Confirmed
 Status in language-selector package in Ubuntu:
   Fix Released
 Status in libx11 package in Ubuntu:
   New
 Status in xkeyboard-config package in Ubuntu:
   Confirmed

 Bug description:

   When typing in a US-international keyboard with dead-keys (or
 UK-international),
   typing 'c results in an accented c instead of a cedilla.

   There is a workaround, which is editing the

   /usr/lib/gtk-2.0/2.10.0/immodule-files.d/libgtk2.0-0.immodules

   file and changing the line

   cedilla Cedilla gtk20 /usr/share/locale
   az:ca:co:fr:gv:oc:pt:sq:tr:wa

   to

   cedilla Cedilla gtk20 /usr/share/locale
   az:ca:co:fr:gv:oc:pt:sq:tr:wa:en

   (add the 'en' at the end).

   However, every time some update on this file is applied, one looses the
 change,
   and we get back to the accented c. That means having to modify the file
 again,
   logout and login.

   For me this is no problem. But for my brother, mom, dad, etc, it is
 always something
   that at least makes me less proud of having convinced them to use
 Ubuntu, because
   they don't know what to do each time this happens.

   I think we really need a configurable keyboard layout, or at least (and
 that would
   be very easy), the inclusion of alternate layouts on install that for
 the dead-key
   options (as US-deadkey and UK-deakey), alternate layouts as
 US-deadkey-cedilla.

   This change is relevant for at least Portuguese and French.

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Re: [Bug 518056] Re: cedilla appears as accented c (ć instead of ç) when typing 'c

,
   and we get back to the accented c. That means having to modify the
 file again,
   logout and login.

   For me this is no problem. But for my brother, mom, dad, etc, it is
 always something
   that at least makes me less proud of having convinced them to use
 Ubuntu, because
   they don't know what to do each time this happens.

   I think we really need a configurable keyboard layout, or at least
 (and that would
   be very easy), the inclusion of alternate layouts on install that for
 the dead-key
   options (as US-deadkey and UK-deakey), alternate layouts as
 US-deadkey-cedilla.

   This change is relevant for at least Portuguese and French.

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[Bug 518056] Re: cedilla appears as accented c (ć instead of ç) when typing 'c

2015-04-03 Thread Gunnar Hjalmarsson

Thanks for the additional info, Raphael!

Both Leandro's research and your input indeed indicate that we should
make the same change for pt_PT, but it would be good if someone living
in Portugal could comment on it first, so we don't upload something
based on speculation.

Are you Brazilian guys reasonably satisfied with 'the LC_CTYPE approach'
for now?

As regards the possible future fcitx issue I mentioned, I filed bug
#1439231.

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[Bug 518056] Re: cedilla appears as accented c (ć instead of ç) when typing 'c

2015-04-02 Thread Gunnar Hjalmarsson

Thanks for your comments re pt_PT, Leandro.

As long as we consider setting LC_CTYPE, in any of the ways mentioned in
comment #96, a fix, it should be noted that '+c results in ç
irrespective of which keyboard layout you use. In other words, the
changed behavior is not conditioned by the use of an English US
international keyboard layout, as Raphael suggested in comment #98. I
assume that this was considered a reasonable behavior for Brazilian
users, considering which physical keyboards are typically used in
Brazil.

We could propose a change to the libx11 package which adds a
/usr/share/X11/locale/pt_PT.UTF-8/Compose file. But before proposing
such a change I would like to ask if it would make as much sense for
users living in Portugal as the corresponding Brazilian file makes for
users living in Brazil.

* Do users who live in Portugal use an English US international
  keyboard layout as often as Brazilian users do, or do they typically
  use some Portuguese keyboard layout?

* Since the behavior may make typing certain other European languages
  more difficult, is that drawback possibly of greater importance for
  users living in Portugal (Europe)?

The only Portuguese locales which are supported in Ubuntu are pt_PT and
pt_BR.

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** Also affects: language-selector (Ubuntu)
   Importance: Undecided
   Status: New

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2015-04-01 Thread Launchpad Bug Tracker

** Branch linked: lp:ubuntu/language-selector

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[Bug 518056] Re: cedilla appears as accented c (ć instead of ç) when typing 'c

To make it easier to keep discussing this issue, I committed a change to
language-selector, which hopefully is a step in the right direction.

** Changed in: language-selector (Ubuntu)
   Importance: Undecided = Medium

** Changed in: language-selector (Ubuntu)
   Status: New = Fix Committed

** Changed in: language-selector (Ubuntu)
 Assignee: (unassigned) = Gunnar Hjalmarsson (gunnarhj)

** Changed in: gtk+2.0 (Ubuntu)
   Importance: Low = Medium

** Changed in: xkeyboard-config (Ubuntu)
   Importance: Wishlist = Medium

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[Bug 518056] Re: cedilla appears as accented c (ć instead of ç) when typing 'c

@Raphael: Of course we want a consistent behavior in all applications.

Since you mention pt_PT, it should be noted that the commit I just made
affects pt_BR only. Possibly there is a reason to do the same for pt_PT,
but I think it needs to be discussed first. Added a libX11 task to
remember it.

On 2015-04-01 02:47, Raphael das Neves Calvo wrote:
 Previous versions and flavors don't need to be fixed, IMHO. Focus on
 the next release because we already have workarounds for the previous
 releases.

That makes sense for existing users, but wouldn't a better configuration
be preferable for new users who install e.g. 14.04?

** Also affects: libx11 (Ubuntu)
   Importance: Undecided
   Status: New

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[Bug 518056] Re: cedilla appears as accented c (ć instead of ç) when typing 'c

2015-04-01 Thread Launchpad Bug Tracker

This bug was fixed in the package language-selector - 0.141

---
language-selector (0.141) vivid; urgency=medium

  * data/cedilla-brazil.sh:
Make it easier for Brazilian Portuguese users to type ccedilla (ç)
- partial solution to LP: #518056.
 -- Gunnar Hjalmarsson gunna...@ubuntu.com   Wed, 01 Apr 2015 09:56:00 +0200

** Changed in: language-selector (Ubuntu)
   Status: Fix Committed = Fix Released

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On 2015-04-01 19:24, Rico Tzschichholz wrote:
 @gunnarhj: The syntax of cedilla-brazil.sh is erroneous.

Ouch! It was not a syntax error, really, but still a stupid error. :(
Fixed in language-selector 0.142.

Thanks for pointing it out!

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2015-04-01 Thread Rico Tzschichholz

@gunnarhj: The syntax of cedilla-brazil.sh is erroneous.

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[Bug 518056] Re: cedilla appears as accented c (ć instead of ç) when typing 'c

2015-04-01 Thread Leandro

Concerning the pt_PT: The portuguese from Portugal, although it has its 
differences relative to brazilian
portuguese, has the same accents and it also requires the cedilla the same way, 
so I suspected that they
had the same problem. I checked, then, the existence of the same tipe of claim 
in forums from Portugal,
using Google 
(https://www.google.pt/?gws_rd=ssl#q=cedilha+ubuntutbs=ctr:countryPTcr=countryPT).

Indeed, we can find exactly the same problem for them. Although, as Portugal 
has 5% the population of Brazil,
the number of posts is much smaller.

Therefore, I think that the fix for this problem should be applied to pt_PT 
too. And, if there is any other
variation of portuguese (I am not sure if there is one for Angola, Moçambique, 
etc.), they all sould be 
fixed.

Leandro.

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Re: [Bug 518056] Re: cedilla appears as accented c (ć instead of ç) when typing 'c

2015-03-31 Thread Raphael das Neves Calvo

1) Windows - US International + Br.PT - '+c = ç
2) Windows - US International + EN.US - '+c = 'c
3) Ubuntu - US International + Br.PT - '+c = ć
4) Ubuntu - US International + EN.US - '+c = 'c
My expectation would be to have the behavior #1 == #3 across the whole
environment, i.e., terminal, gedit, libreoffice...

Previous versions and flavors don't need to be fixed, IMHO.
Focus on the next release because we already have workarounds for the
previous releases.

Regards

On Tue, Mar 31, 2015, 19:15 Gunnar Hjalmarsson 518...@bugs.launchpad.net
wrote:

 On 31/03/2015 23:37, Gunnar Hjalmarsson wrote:
  Just like you I think it would be more natural to create an
  alternative keyboard layout which could be selected in Text Entry. I
  just don't know if and if so how it could be accomplished.

 To clarify: As you know, I figured out how to add an alternative
 keyboard layout. What I don't know is how you would fix it in xkeyboard-
 config so the same dead key behaves differently depending on the letter.

 One possibility which we haven't discussed is to use some *other* key
 for dead_cedilla, and leave the behavior of the dead_acute key as is. I
 see two problems with that, though:

 1. No obvious dispensable key which could be used for the purpose.

 2. It would be a brand new behavior for the users, and different from
how it works on Windows.

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 Status in central project for keyboard configuration:
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 Status in gtk+2.0 package in Ubuntu:
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 Status in xkeyboard-config package in Ubuntu:
   Confirmed

 Bug description:

   When typing in a US-international keyboard with dead-keys (or
 UK-international),
   typing 'c results in an accented c instead of a cedilla.

   There is a workaround, which is editing the

   /usr/lib/gtk-2.0/2.10.0/immodule-files.d/libgtk2.0-0.immodules

   file and changing the line

   cedilla Cedilla gtk20 /usr/share/locale
   az:ca:co:fr:gv:oc:pt:sq:tr:wa

   to

   cedilla Cedilla gtk20 /usr/share/locale
   az:ca:co:fr:gv:oc:pt:sq:tr:wa:en

   (add the 'en' at the end).

   However, every time some update on this file is applied, one looses the
 change,
   and we get back to the accented c. That means having to modify the file
 again,
   logout and login.

   For me this is no problem. But for my brother, mom, dad, etc, it is
 always something
   that at least makes me less proud of having convinced them to use
 Ubuntu, because
   they don't know what to do each time this happens.

   I think we really need a configurable keyboard layout, or at least (and
 that would
   be very easy), the inclusion of alternate layouts on install that for
 the dead-key
   options (as US-deadkey and UK-deakey), alternate layouts as
 US-deadkey-cedilla.

   This change is relevant for at least Portuguese and French.

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[Bug 518056] Re: cedilla appears as accented c (ć instead of ç) when typing 'c

2015-03-31 Thread Leandro

Uhm... I am not sure if that actually works as it should.

First, I tried to apply the pt_BR.UTF-8 locale (using export 
LC_CTYPE=pt_BR.UTF8) but the language pack was not installed,
therefore the workaround would only work after installing the language pack, 
probably that will create the
same kind of confusion that the workarounds create now. 

Anyway, I installed it, and then I could export the LC_CTYPE. I launched a 
session of gedit and within that gedit session
the ç appeared correctly. However, at the same terminal from where I launched 
gedit the cedilla continued
to appear as an accented c, and the same for new terminals launched from that 
terminal. That is, changing the
LC_CTYPE environment variable did not work system-wide.

At the same time, although there could a combination of 
Language/Region/Keyboard that provided the correct
behaviour, I am not sure if forcing a specific language for the interface is a 
reasonable solution to that problem.

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Let me add: The reason why setting LC_CTYPE=pt_BR.UTF-8 works is the
file /usr/share/X11/locale/pt_BR.UTF-8/Compose which belongs to the
libx11-data package.

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[Bug 518056] Re: cedilla appears as accented c (ć instead of ç) when typing 'c

On 2015-03-31 17:15, Leandro wrote:
 First, I tried to apply the pt_BR.UTF-8 locale (using export
 LC_CTYPE=pt_BR.UTF8) but the language pack was not installed, 
 therefore the workaround would only work after installing the
 language pack, probably that will create the same kind of confusion
 that the workarounds create now.

Actually it's not necessary that the language packs are installed, but
the locale needs to be generated. If you set a Brazil location for the
time zone in the installer, you'll end up with pt_BR.UTF-8 generated
to begin with, so in those cases there shouldn't be a reason for user
confusion.

Otherwise the locale can be generated either by installing the Brazilian
Portuguese language via Language Support or by running this command:

sudo locale-gen pt_BR.UTF-8

 Anyway, I installed it, and then I could export the LC_CTYPE. I
 launched a session of gedit and within that gedit session the ç
 appeared correctly. However, at the same terminal from where I
 launched gedit the cedilla continued to appear as an accented c,
 and the same for new terminals launched from that terminal. That is,
 changing the LC_CTYPE environment variable did not work system-wide.

Let me guess: You exported LC_CTYPE in a terminal window and then
launched gedit from there. That doesn't work for me either.

One way to test it properly is to edit your ~/.profile file by adding
this line:

  export LC_CTYPE=pt_BR.UTF-8

and then log out and log in again.

For me it works in the terminal, in gedit, in LibreOffice, and in HTML
forms in Firefox.

 At the same time, although there could a combination of
 Language/Region/Keyboard that provided the correct behaviour, I am
 not sure if forcing a specific language for the interface is a
 reasonable solution to that problem.

But we wouldn't force the display language. The LC_CTYPE environment
variable would get its value automatically through either of these
options:

* Set Brazilian Portuguese as the display language, OR

* Set Brazilian Portuguese as the regional formats.

Both those are controlled via the Language Support GUI, so the user
wouldn't need to open a terminal window to fix it.

In addition to that, if you don't want to have Brazilian Portuguese as
the display language or the regional formats setting, you can export
LC_CTYPE manually in ~/.profile as shown above.

And, again, if the user sets a Brazil location for time zone when
installing, the regional formats will be Brazilian Portuguese
automatically.

Please note that these things work differently today compared to how it
worked when you filed this bug report five years ago. ;)

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[Bug 518056] Re: cedilla appears as accented c (ć instead of ç) when typing 'c

On 2015-03-30 22:37, Leandro wrote:
I see! No, unfortunately we also need the accute dead keys for á, é, í,
ó and ú.

I suspected that.

The key (phisically speaking) must be the same. That is, 'a = á, and
'c = ç

In that case I don't think that an additional keyboard layout is the way
to go.

I have played around a little, and as far as I can tell, '+c = ç if the
environment variable LC_CTYPE is set to pt_BR.UTF-8. That's normally
the case in Ubuntu when the display language is Brazilian Portuguese. If
this is the case (please correct me if I'm wrong), the problem is
typically limited to sessions with some other display language but
Brazilian Portuguese.

The attached file might be a step forward. If you install that file in
/etc/profile.d, the desired behavior with respect to typing '+c will be
there as long as either the display language or the regional formats is
Brazilian Portuguese.

Please let me know what you think.

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2015-03-31 Thread Leandro

Thank you Gunnar for the explanation.

Indeed, adding export LC_CTYPE=pt_BR.UTF-8 to ~/.profile worked. It seems 
that the combination
of sudo locale-gen pt_BR.UTF-8 and that works nicely and that it is a nice 
workaround.

I don't understand yet exactly how this can become a defintive solution.

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[Bug 518056] Re: cedilla appears as accented c (ć instead of ç) when typing 'c

On 31/03/2015 18:52, Gunnar Hjalmarsson wrote:
 For me it works in the terminal, in gedit, in LibreOffice, and in HTML
 forms in Firefox.

I can now add that it works in Skype (a qt application) too. I have
tested it successfully in trusty, utopic and vivid.

Btw, my selected IM framework is IBus, i.e. the default in Ubuntu (with
Chinese as an exception in 15.04). When I tested to switch to fcitx, it
did not work. Possibly fcitx will be the default IM framework in Ubuntu
15.10, so fixing it for fcitx may be a future issue.

Btw, the fact that it works for me with IBus is in line with those who
stated in previous comments that simply installing ibus made '+c work
for typing ç. Maybe they were using Brazilian Portuguese as display
language...

On 2015-03-31 23:04, Leandro wrote:
 Indeed, adding export LC_CTYPE=pt_BR.UTF-8 to ~/.profile worked. It
 seems that the combination of sudo locale-gen pt_BR.UTF-8 and that works
 nicely and that it is a nice workaround.

Right.

 I don't understand yet exactly how this can become a defintive
solution.

Well, my idea is to have the cedilla-brazil.sh file installed on
everyone's computers by default. (I'm thinking of including it in the
language-selector-common package.)

That way it would work out of the box for those users who select a
Brazilian location for the time zone when installing Ubuntu. Otherwise
the users can fix it via the Language Selector GUI instead of the
command line workaround:

* Open Language Support
* Install the Portuguese language
* Select Brazilian Portuguese *either* as display language *or* as the
  regional formats choice (or both)

Certainly I don't say that this is an ideal solution. Just like you I
think it would be more natural to create an alternative keyboard layout
which could be selected in Text Entry. I just don't know if and if so
how it could be accomplished.

The LC_CTYPE thing appears to be at least an improvement IMO.

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[Bug 518056] Re: cedilla appears as accented c (ć instead of ç) when typing 'c

On 31/03/2015 23:37, Gunnar Hjalmarsson wrote:
 Just like you I think it would be more natural to create an
 alternative keyboard layout which could be selected in Text Entry. I
 just don't know if and if so how it could be accomplished.

To clarify: As you know, I figured out how to add an alternative
keyboard layout. What I don't know is how you would fix it in xkeyboard-
config so the same dead key behaves differently depending on the letter.

One possibility which we haven't discussed is to use some *other* key
for dead_cedilla, and leave the behavior of the dead_acute key as is. I
see two problems with that, though:

1. No obvious dispensable key which could be used for the purpose.

2. It would be a brand new behavior for the users, and different from
   how it works on Windows.

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[Bug 518056] Re: cedilla appears as accented c (ć instead of ç) when typing 'c

2015-03-30 Thread J. S. Lopes

@Gunnar

first of all, thank you for your (weekend :) time and good will with
this issue. And yes, of course, this can be considered an answer. Now I
know where to start searching for the changes that affected the old
behaviour.

Unfortunately, I cannot test your PPA because my machine (this) is
running Trusty (14.04.1) in an AMD64. But I have an old spare 386 for
tests. I will test in it after work and share here.

If all goes well, I'll try to learn how to package for PPA and (if I
succeed, of course) publish a version for Trusty-64 too. Is this ok?

Thanks again and have a nice day.

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[Bug 518056] Re: cedilla appears as accented c (ć instead of ç) when typing 'c

2015-03-30 Thread Gunnar Hjalmarsson

@Leandro: I see that you have Ubuntu 14.04, so this is what you should
do: open Software  Updates, select Other Software, highlight the
cedilla-test item by clicking it and then click the Edit... button. In
the new window, state utopic as the Distribution instead of trusty. I
added an attachment which shows the window.

Once that has been changed, you should be able to successfully run

sudo apt-get update

Then you can do

sudo apt-get install xkb-data

or simply

sudo apt-get upgrade

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2015-03-30 Thread J. S. Lopes

xkb-data is architecture independent,...
Great! This makes things easier for everybody.
I'll try again late, after work, and share here. (I've tried with apt-get and, 
of course, it didn't found the repo. )

If there proves to be a consensus on this approach to deal with the issue - 
possibly after some modifications - we should better leave the PPAs and propose 
that it's included in the archives, both in Ubuntu and upstream.
In my very humble opinion, this seems to be the most KISS solution for the 
issue.

In other words, I hope that a few users install xdb-data from my PPA, test, 
and give feedback here.
I'll help spreading the word and asking some fellows if they are using US intl 
dead keys keyboards.

Hi, Leandro? What you think about this? Can you help with some testers?
Please, share your toughts, friend :)

Thank you, Gunnar.

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Dear Gunnar,

Certainly I will. I will do that in the following days. My only doubt is that 
all my systems were
already modified with all those workarounds for the cedilla. I am not sure if I 
will be able to verify that the PPA
works as it should.

Thank you very much, this is the way to the solution of this problem.

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[Bug 518056] Re: cedilla appears as accented c (ć instead of ç) when typing 'c

2015-03-30 Thread Gunnar Hjalmarsson

xkb-data is architecture independent, so i386, amd64, etc. doesn't
matter. As regards different Ubuntu versions, I have successfully
installed and run the xkb-data package in my PPA on trusty, utopic, and
vivid installs. So even if it was built in utopic, you can install and
test it in trusty if you like.

If there proves to be a consensus on this approach to deal with the
issue - possibly after some modifications - we should better leave the
PPAs and propose that it's included in the archives, both in Ubuntu and
upstream.

In other words, I hope that a few users install xdb-data from my PPA,
test, and give feedback here.

On 2015-03-30 09:06, J. S. Lopes wrote:
 If all goes well, I'll try to learn how to package for PPA and (if I 
 succeed, of course) publish a version for Trusty-64 too. Is this ok?

Of course it's ok - this is free software. ;) But, as I just said, it's
not necessary for testing on trusty.

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Dear Gunnar,

I tried installing the package from PPA, but although I can add the PPA 
correctly,
I get messages like when updating the database:

Failed to fetch 
http://ppa.launchpad.net/gunnarhj/cedilla-test/ubuntu/dists/trusty/main/binary-amd64/Packages
 404 Not Found
Failed to fetch 
http://ppa.launchpad.net/gunnarhj/cedilla-test/ubuntu/dists/trusty/main/binary-i386/Packages
 404 Not Found

How should we proceed with the instalation?

Once that step works, should we install the package with:

sudo apt-get install xkeyboard-config - 2.12-1ubuntu1+cedilla

Is that it?

Thank you again,
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Dear Gunnar,

I have installed a virtual box of Mint 17 - XFCE and tested your ppa,
and it worked perfectly.

This is fantastic. Thank you very much. I hope this gets into the main
distributions!

Leandro.

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[Bug 518056] Re: cedilla appears as accented c (ć instead of ç) when typing 'c

2015-03-30 Thread Gunnar Hjalmarsson

Glad to hear that you appreciate it, Leandro.

I'd like to clarify the nature of the change. Basically I 'stole' the
dead key, which in the English (US, international with dead keys)
layout is used for typing á, é, ć, etc., and converted it to a dead key
for typing ȩ, ç, etc. The key is marked with a red frame in the attached
graphical layout.

As a consequence, typing e.g. á and é is made more difficult. It can be
done with AltGr+a respective AltGr+e, but there is no longer a dead
key for typing á or é.

So I'd like to ask: Is this the best way to fix 'the cedilla issue'? Is
this in accordance with people's expectations?

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