[Bug 160311] Re: Resizing windows by grabbing window borders is difficult [please no more comments; patches welcome]
This bug was fixed in the package light-themes - 0.1.8.5 --- light-themes (0.1.8.5) natty; urgency=low [ Sam Spilsbury ] * New Ambiance properties for shadow and padding added to metacity theme files (for invisible window grip support). These are read by libmetacity-private so that they can be exported by new functionality and picked up by 'unity-window-decorator' which was introduced in compiz-gnome 1:0.9.2.1+glibmainloop4. Partial solution to (LP: #160311). [ Paul Sladen ] * Apply Ambiance/.../metacity-theme-1.xml changes to Radiance. * Add Breaks: metacity ( 1:2.30.3-0ubuntu2) since the introduction of new parsing support will prevent backporting to maverick unless the corresponding patch to Metacity is backported first. -- Paul Sladen sla...@ubuntu.com Thu, 27 Jan 2011 10:22:00 + ** Changed in: light-themes (Ubuntu) Status: Triaged = Fix Released -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to metacity in ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/160311 Title: Resizing windows by grabbing window borders is difficult [please no more comments; patches welcome] -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 160311] Re: Resizing windows by grabbing window borders is difficult [please no more comments; patches welcome]
Solution applied in Natty (will be in Ubuntu 11.04). ** Changed in: ayatana-design Status: Confirmed = Fix Released ** Changed in: hundredpapercuts Status: Triaged = Fix Released -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to metacity in ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/160311 Title: Resizing windows by grabbing window borders is difficult -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 160311] Re: Resizing windows by grabbing window borders is difficult [please no more comments; patches welcome]
metacity (1:2.30.3-0ubuntu2) natty; urgency=low * debian/patches/06_Add_UXD_shadows_and_borders.patch: - patch for a new key in the ubuntu theme for shows and borders -- Didier Roche didro...@ubuntu.com Thu, 13 Jan 2011 17:55:35 +0100 ** Changed in: metacity (Ubuntu) Status: Triaged = Fix Released -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to metacity in ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/160311 Title: Resizing windows by grabbing window borders is difficult -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 160311] Re: Resizing windows by grabbing window borders is difficult [please no more comments; patches welcome]
** Changed in: hundredpapercuts Milestone: lucid-round-3 = nt3-ayatana ** Changed in: hundredpapercuts Assignee: (unassigned) = Sam SmSpillaz Spilsbury (smspillaz) ** Summary changed: - Resizing windows by grabbing window borders is difficult [please no more comments; patches welcome] + Resizing windows by grabbing window borders is difficult -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to metacity in ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/160311 Title: Resizing windows by grabbing window borders is difficult -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 160311] Re: Resizing windows by grabbing window borders is difficult [please no more comments; patches welcome]
I think a good modification to the invisible drag handle proposal would be to rather use resize border resistance. This is a solution that won't require more than 1 px of UI space to work well. How I envisage it working is: 1) keep your arbitrarily small window border resize 2) Define a resize-resistance size, say 5 px 3) Once the user moves the pointer over the resize edge, the resize cursor will appear 4) The resize cursor will remain active until the user moves the pointer at lease 'resize-resistance' many pixels away from the resize edge 5) Click-and-hold while the resize cursor is active will result in window resizing. This seems to me like it should have 100% backward compatibility, require only changes to the window manager, will be theme independent and will still be easy to use. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to metacity in ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/160311 Title: Resizing windows by grabbing window borders is difficult [please no more comments; patches welcome] -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
Re: [Bug 160311] Re: Resizing windows by grabbing window borders is difficult [please no more comments; patches welcome]
2011/1/24 Neilen Marais launch...@chatsubo.lagged.za.net I think a good modification to the invisible drag handle proposal would be to rather use resize border resistance. This is a solution that won't require more than 1 px of UI space to work well. How I envisage it working is: 1) keep your arbitrarily small window border resize 2) Define a resize-resistance size, say 5 px 3) Once the user moves the pointer over the resize edge, the resize cursor will appear 4) The resize cursor will remain active until the user moves the pointer at lease 'resize-resistance' many pixels away from the resize edge 5) Click-and-hold while the resize cursor is active will result in window resizing. This wouldn't solve the issue, since most the difficulty lies in positioning the cursor over the 1px resize edge (once you manage that, initiating a resize is simple). In any case, this is being worked on for Natty, apparently. Hopefully we'll be notified when the fix lands, so we can alpha-/beta-test the solution and provide any necessary feedback. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to metacity in ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/160311 Title: Resizing windows by grabbing window borders is difficult [please no more comments; patches welcome] -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 160311] Re: Resizing windows by grabbing window borders is difficult [please no more comments; patches welcome]
I thought I was the only one who really had a problem with this. But then I thought that wouldn't make sense, and that probably nobody had filed a bug. So I searched and found this. And I'm shocked this HUGE bug has been filed here for around 3 years yet it's low priority. How can this be low priority if it affects _every_ window? And this is ubuntu, not some distro targeting command-line hackers. I'm sorry I can't contribute any code to fix it, but I think you should reconsider some of your priorities. Now, from looking at http://blogs.fedoraproject.org/wp/mclasen/2010/10/09/getting-a-grip/, GTK+3 will include this (hopefully this is mainstream and not only Fedora), but unless GTK+3 is included in natty (AFAIK it is, correct me if I'm wrong. and I hope I'm not… also, this leaves lucid out in the cold, and the latest LTS shouldn't be left suffering this terrible bug) and all existing GTK+2 applications use GTK+3 when ran on a system with GTK+3 (which I doubt, considering how horrendus GTK+1 apps look) the outcome won't be pretty at all... -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to metacity in ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/160311 Title: Resizing windows by grabbing window borders is difficult [please no more comments; patches welcome] -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 160311] Re: Resizing windows by grabbing window borders is difficult [please no more comments; patches welcome]
MikeLoco14: Yes, corner drag functionality is already in natty (which will likely become Ubuntu 11.04 in April 2011). As the blog post from 9 October 2010 notes: The credit for this work goes to Cody Russell. Cody is an Ubuntu Member, see Cody's Launchpad page: https://launchpad.net/~bratsche (Cody Russell) Hopefully this serves to demonstrate that window resizing *is* being actively improved! (I appreciate that there has been a couple of years where the situation has regressed as a result of theme changes). I don't currently know how much of the final solution will be able to be backported to previous Ubuntu versions (theme changes will be easier than code changes), but I'm sure others will investigate what is possible work; for example see the note at the top of this bug report: Working grip backported to gtk2 already available in ppa: https://launchpad.net/~bratsche/+archive/gtk -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to metacity in ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/160311 Title: Resizing windows by grabbing window borders is difficult [please no more comments; patches welcome] -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 160311] Re: Resizing windows by grabbing window borders is difficult [please no more comments; patches welcome]
I'm getting worried. There is this *very* annoying bug that affects every day the usability of the whole OS and this bug has been open and not fixed for 3 years!!! Don't you listen to users at all?! -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to metacity in ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/160311 Title: Resizing windows by grabbing window borders is difficult [please no more comments; patches welcome] -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 160311] Re: Resizing windows by grabbing window borders is difficult [please no more comments; patches welcome]
hannuko: I don't think the One Hundred Paper Cuts project is being taken very seriously. Of all bugs in the project, this one has the highest number of comments and second-highest number of people affected, but is tagged as Low importance. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to metacity in ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/160311 Title: Resizing windows by grabbing window borders is difficult [please no more comments; patches welcome] -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 160311] Re: Resizing windows by grabbing window borders is difficult [please no more comments; patches welcome]
** Description changed: * - No more comments needed + No more comments needed - This should mostly be fixed for Natty and might get backported to earlier releases as well. + This should mostly be fixed for Natty and might get backported to + earlier releases as well. + * + + *Blueprint for Natty, Ubuntu 11.04: + + https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/packageselection-dx-n + -resizing-windows + + Work items1 * Make sure the new resize grip fits in current applications; doesn't interfere with anything. We should make some noise about this during the Natty cycle so people keep their eyes open and file bugs. + 2 * Invisible window resize area - around 3px invisible area to allow resize on all sides. + + * + + Working grip backported to gtk2 already available in ppa : + https://launchpad.net/~bratsche/+archive/gtk + + * + + Workaround: Edit /usr/share/themes/Ambiance/metacity-1/metacity- + theme-1.xml. Set the following values in frame_geometry_normal as + desired: + + distance name=left_width value=3/ + distance name=right_width value=3/ + distance name=bottom_height value=3/ + + Binary package hint: metacity - - The issue has been an issue for users (especially of large) screens for several releases - - Trackpad users seem to be particularly impacted by this- The issue appears to have been significantly aggravated in Lucid by changing the border width from 3 pixels to 1 pixel + - The issue has been an issue for users (especially of large) screens + for several releases- Trackpad users seem to be particularly impacted by + this- The issue appears to have been significantly aggravated in Lucid + by changing the border width from 3 pixels to 1 pixel The window borders in metacity are far too thin to be used for comfortable window resizing, and resize handles are not available in all applications (or even most). In fact, of all the windows I have open right now, not a single one of them has a resize handle. The result is that I get a lot of misses when I try to drag a window border, which usually results in my clicking on the wrong window altogether. The best fix for this usability bug is to create an invisible region around each non-maximized window about 4px thick that can be used for resizing (in addition to the visible border). Or perhaps there should be a border thickness option on the System Preferences Windows dialog (although the default thickness should still be increased considerably). Ideally all windows would also have a resize handle but I realize that these have to be application controlled (at least that seems to be the position of the metacity team). - - * - Blueprint for Natty: - https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/packageselection-dx-n-resizing-windows - - Work items - 1 * Make sure the new resize grip fits in current applications; doesn't interfere with anything. We should make some noise about this during the Natty cycle so people keep their eyes open and file bugs. - 2 * Invisible window resize area - around 3px invisible area to allow resize on all sides. - - * - Working grip backported to gtk2 already available in ppa : https://launchpad.net/~bratsche/+archive/gtk - * - - Workaround: Edit /usr/share/themes/Ambiance/metacity-1/metacity- - theme-1.xml. Set the following values in frame_geometry_normal as - desired: - - distance name=left_width value=3/ - distance name=right_width value=3/ - distance name=bottom_height value=3/ -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to metacity in ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/160311 Title: Resizing windows by grabbing window borders is difficult [please no more comments; patches welcome] -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
Re: [Bug 160311] Re: Resizing windows by grabbing window borders is difficult [please no more comments; patches welcome]
Thanks Vish. Would it be possible to amend the following sentence so it reads: + This should mostly be fixed for Natty and *will* get backported to 10.04 and might get backported to earlier releases as well. 10.04 is a LTS after all... thanks, Jan On 03/01/11 07:53, Vish wrote: ** Description changed: * - No more comments needed + No more comments needed - This should mostly be fixed for Natty and might get backported to earlier releases as well. + This should mostly be fixed for Natty and might get backported to + earlier releases as well. + * + + *Blueprint for Natty, Ubuntu 11.04: + + https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/packageselection-dx-n + -resizing-windows + + Work items1 * Make sure the new resize grip fits in current applications; doesn't interfere with anything. We should make some noise about this during the Natty cycle so people keep their eyes open and file bugs. + 2 * Invisible window resize area - around 3px invisible area to allow resize on all sides. + + * + + Working grip backported to gtk2 already available in ppa : + https://launchpad.net/~bratsche/+archive/gtk + + * + + Workaround: Edit /usr/share/themes/Ambiance/metacity-1/metacity- + theme-1.xml. Set the following values in frame_geometry_normal as + desired: + + distance name=left_width value=3/ + distance name=right_width value=3/ + distance name=bottom_height value=3/ + + Binary package hint: metacity - - The issue has been an issue for users (especially of large) screens for several releases - - Trackpad users seem to be particularly impacted by this- The issue appears to have been significantly aggravated in Lucid by changing the border width from 3 pixels to 1 pixel + - The issue has been an issue for users (especially of large) screens + for several releases- Trackpad users seem to be particularly impacted by + this- The issue appears to have been significantly aggravated in Lucid + by changing the border width from 3 pixels to 1 pixel The window borders in metacity are far too thin to be used for comfortable window resizing, and resize handles are not available in all applications (or even most). In fact, of all the windows I have open right now, not a single one of them has a resize handle. The result is that I get a lot of misses when I try to drag a window border, which usually results in my clicking on the wrong window altogether. The best fix for this usability bug is to create an invisible region around each non-maximized window about 4px thick that can be used for resizing (in addition to the visible border). Or perhaps there should be a border thickness option on the System Preferences Windows dialog (although the default thickness should still be increased considerably). Ideally all windows would also have a resize handle but I realize that these have to be application controlled (at least that seems to be the position of the metacity team). - - * - Blueprint for Natty: - https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/packageselection-dx-n-resizing-windows - - Work items - 1 * Make sure the new resize grip fits in current applications; doesn't interfere with anything. We should make some noise about this during the Natty cycle so people keep their eyes open and file bugs. - 2 * Invisible window resize area - around 3px invisible area to allow resize on all sides. - - * - Working grip backported to gtk2 already available in ppa : https://launchpad.net/~bratsche/+archive/gtk - * - - Workaround: Edit /usr/share/themes/Ambiance/metacity-1/metacity- - theme-1.xml. Set the following values in frame_geometry_normal as - desired: - - distance name=left_width value=3/ - distance name=right_width value=3/ - distance name=bottom_height value=3/ -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to metacity in ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/160311 Title: Resizing windows by grabbing window borders is difficult [please no more comments; patches welcome] -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
Re: [Bug 160311] Re: Resizing windows by grabbing window borders is difficult [please no more comments; patches welcome]
On Mon, Dec 13, 2010 at 10:49 PM, Martin Spacek launch...@mspacek.mm.st wrote: Sorry for the noise, but as others have pointed out (over the years!), one workaround is using ALT+middle mouse button to resize from anywhere within a window. Just want to add that there's a key in gconf that let's you change that to using ALT+right mouse button instead: Or, we could just sort out the fundamental problem with resizing a window by using the time-honoured tradition of grabbing a reasonable chunk of the bottom left corner and dragging the bugger. Give us a decent chunk to grab and we will. I use my laptop with both a trackpad and a logitch thumbwheel trackball. Both options are painful to use under Ubuntu and utterly fine under Windows. I don't think it's a lot to ask to give someone more than 1 or 2 pixels to hit on a 1900 pixel width screen. In all honesty, I'm utterly stunned that fundamental issues like this and hundreds of other are complaining about aren't resolved yet... it's a papercut and STILL we're banging on about it... -- Steve When one person suffers from a delusion it is insanity. When many people suffer from a delusion it is called religion. 09 F9 11 02 9D 74 E3 5B D8 41 56 C5 63 56 88 C0 -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to metacity in ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/160311 Title: Resizing windows by grabbing window borders is difficult [please no more comments; patches welcome] -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 160311] Re: Resizing windows by grabbing window borders is difficult [please no more comments; patches welcome]
** Description changed: - * - No more comments needed + No more comments needed This should mostly be fixed for Natty and might get backported to earlier releases as well. * Binary package hint: metacity - The issue has been an issue for users (especially of large) screens for several releases - Trackpad users seem to be particularly impacted by this- The issue appears to have been significantly aggravated in Lucid by changing the border width from 3 pixels to 1 pixel The window borders in metacity are far too thin to be used for comfortable window resizing, and resize handles are not available in all applications (or even most). In fact, of all the windows I have open right now, not a single one of them has a resize handle. The result is that I get a lot of misses when I try to drag a window border, which usually results in my clicking on the wrong window altogether. The best fix for this usability bug is to create an invisible region around each non-maximized window about 4px thick that can be used for resizing (in addition to the visible border). Or perhaps there should be a border thickness option on the System Preferences Windows dialog (although the default thickness should still be increased considerably). Ideally all windows would also have a resize handle but I realize that these have to be application controlled (at least that seems to be the position of the metacity team). * Blueprint for Natty: https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/packageselection-dx-n-resizing-windows Work items 1 * Make sure the new resize grip fits in current applications; doesn't interfere with anything. We should make some noise about this during the Natty cycle so people keep their eyes open and file bugs. 2 * Invisible window resize area - around 3px invisible area to allow resize on all sides. * Working grip backported to gtk2 already available in ppa : https://launchpad.net/~bratsche/+archive/gtk * + + Workaround: Edit /usr/share/themes/Ambiance/metacity-1. Set the + following values in frame_geometry_normal as desired: + + distance name=left_width value=3/ + distance name=right_width value=3/ + distance name=bottom_height value=3/ -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to metacity in ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/160311 Title: Resizing windows by grabbing window borders is difficult [please no more comments; patches welcome] -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 160311] Re: Resizing windows by grabbing window borders is difficult [please no more comments; patches welcome]
** Description changed: * No more comments needed This should mostly be fixed for Natty and might get backported to earlier releases as well. * Binary package hint: metacity - The issue has been an issue for users (especially of large) screens for several releases - Trackpad users seem to be particularly impacted by this- The issue appears to have been significantly aggravated in Lucid by changing the border width from 3 pixels to 1 pixel The window borders in metacity are far too thin to be used for comfortable window resizing, and resize handles are not available in all applications (or even most). In fact, of all the windows I have open right now, not a single one of them has a resize handle. The result is that I get a lot of misses when I try to drag a window border, which usually results in my clicking on the wrong window altogether. The best fix for this usability bug is to create an invisible region around each non-maximized window about 4px thick that can be used for resizing (in addition to the visible border). Or perhaps there should be a border thickness option on the System Preferences Windows dialog (although the default thickness should still be increased considerably). Ideally all windows would also have a resize handle but I realize that these have to be application controlled (at least that seems to be the position of the metacity team). * Blueprint for Natty: https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/packageselection-dx-n-resizing-windows Work items 1 * Make sure the new resize grip fits in current applications; doesn't interfere with anything. We should make some noise about this during the Natty cycle so people keep their eyes open and file bugs. 2 * Invisible window resize area - around 3px invisible area to allow resize on all sides. * Working grip backported to gtk2 already available in ppa : https://launchpad.net/~bratsche/+archive/gtk * - Workaround: Edit /usr/share/themes/Ambiance/metacity-1. Set the - following values in frame_geometry_normal as desired: + Workaround: Edit /usr/share/themes/Ambiance/metacity-1/metacity- + theme-1.xml. Set the following values in frame_geometry_normal as + desired: - distance name=left_width value=3/ - distance name=right_width value=3/ - distance name=bottom_height value=3/ + distance name=left_width value=3/ + distance name=right_width value=3/ + distance name=bottom_height value=3/ -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to metacity in ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/160311 Title: Resizing windows by grabbing window borders is difficult [please no more comments; patches welcome] -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
Re: [Bug 160311] Re: Resizing windows by grabbing window borders is difficult [please no more comments; patches welcome]
[cut] The best fix for this usability bug is to create an invisible region around each non-maximized window about 4px thick that can be used for resizing I would suggest creating this resizing area only _inside_ this window, 4 pixels close to border. Or perhaps there should be a border thickness option on the System Preferences Windows dialog (although the default thickness should still be increased considerably). These both are smart ideas. -- Patryk LeadMan Benderz Linux Registered User #377521 () ascii ribbon campaign - against html e-mail /\ www.asciiribbon.org - against proprietary attachments Email secured by Check Point -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to metacity in ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/160311 Title: Resizing windows by grabbing window borders is difficult [please no more comments; patches welcome] -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 160311] Re: Resizing windows by grabbing window borders is difficult [please no more comments; patches welcome]
Sorry for the noise, but as others have pointed out (over the years!), one workaround is using ALT+middle mouse button to resize from anywhere within a window. Just want to add that there's a key in gconf that let's you change that to using ALT+right mouse button instead: /apps/metacity/general/resize_with_right_button I find this much more comfortable, plus it works on 2 button touchpads as well. By the way, this workaround isn't exclusive to compiz as some others have suggested. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to metacity in ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/160311 Title: Resizing windows by grabbing window borders is difficult [please no more comments; patches welcome] -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 160311] Re: Resizing windows by grabbing window borders is difficult [please no more comments; patches welcome]
Whatever solution you people come up with for 11.04 makes no difference to me, but holy heck this needs to be fixed. It's embarrassing to have a 100 Paper Cuts project without this being on it. If you're going to make a 1 pixel border on your default theme, you'd better figure out a way for people to resize the window. -- Resizing windows by grabbing window borders is difficult [please no more comments; patches welcome] https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/160311 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to metacity in ubuntu. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 160311] Re: Resizing windows by grabbing window borders is difficult [please no more comments; patches welcome]
I completely agree, resizing windows in Ubuntu 10.10 (with default theme) is a frustrating experience. And I'm using a *normal* resolution (1366 x 768)... -- Resizing windows by grabbing window borders is difficult [please no more comments; patches welcome] https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/160311 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to metacity in ubuntu. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 160311] Re: Resizing windows by grabbing window borders is difficult [please no more comments; patches welcome]
The default ubuntu 10.10 theme has 1px borders. It's resizing hell. This is really driving me crazy! -- Resizing windows by grabbing window borders is difficult [please no more comments; patches welcome] https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/160311 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to metacity in ubuntu. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 160311] Re: Resizing windows by grabbing window borders is difficult [please no more comments; patches welcome]
@Lieven Blancke How can that be true? Why itsn't it fix in that Ubuntu release? :S -- Resizing windows by grabbing window borders is difficult [please no more comments; patches welcome] https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/160311 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to metacity in ubuntu. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
Re: [Bug 160311] Re: Resizing windows by grabbing window borders is difficult [please no more comments; patches welcome]
Seem to be solved in GNOME 3 http://blogs.fedoraproject.org/wp/mclasen/2010/10/09/getting-a-grip/ On Sat, Oct 23, 2010 at 20:48, Ben Shadwick benshadw...@gmail.com wrote: Does anyone know if this issue still exists in the current state of Gnome 3? -- Resizing windows by grabbing window borders is difficult [please no more comments; patches welcome] https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/160311 You received this bug notification because you are a direct subscriber of a duplicate bug (533510). Status in Ayatana Design: Confirmed Status in One Hundred Paper Cuts: Triaged Status in The Metacity Window Manager: In Progress Status in Release Notes for Ubuntu: Fix Released Status in “human-gtk-theme” package in Ubuntu: Invalid Status in “light-themes” package in Ubuntu: Triaged Status in “metacity” package in Ubuntu: Triaged Status in “human-gtk-theme” source package in Maverick: Invalid Status in “light-themes” source package in Maverick: Triaged Status in “metacity” source package in Maverick: Triaged Bug description: Binary package hint: metacity - The issue has been an issue for users (especially of large) screens for several releases - Trackpad users seem to be particularly impacted by this - The issue appears to have been significantly aggravated in Lucid by changing the border width from 3 pixels to 1 pixel The window borders in metacity are far too thin to be used for comfortable window resizing, and resize handles are not available in all applications (or even most). In fact, of all the windows I have open right now, not a single one of them has a resize handle. The result is that I get a lot of misses when I try to drag a window border, which usually results in my clicking on the wrong window altogether. The best fix for this usability bug is to create an invisible region around each non-maximized window about 4px thick that can be used for resizing (in addition to the visible border). Or perhaps there should be a border thickness option on the System Preferences Windows dialog (although the default thickness should still be increased considerably). Ideally all windows would also have a resize handle but I realize that these have to be application controlled (at least that seems to be the position of the metacity team). To unsubscribe from this bug, go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ayatana-design/+bug/160311/+subscribe -- Resizing windows by grabbing window borders is difficult [please no more comments; patches welcome] https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/160311 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to metacity in ubuntu. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 160311] Re: Resizing windows by grabbing window borders is difficult [please no more comments; patches welcome]
I'm sad to see that a corner grip is the way they've decided to address things, as it's really just a workaround. -- Resizing windows by grabbing window borders is difficult [please no more comments; patches welcome] https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/160311 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to metacity in ubuntu. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
Re: [Bug 160311] Re: Resizing windows by grabbing window borders is difficult [please no more comments; patches welcome]
On 01/11/10 09:20, Ben Shadwick wrote: I'm sad to see that a corner grip is the way they've decided to address things, as it's really just a workaround. +1. So no fix for Gnome 2.x - and a half-fix for Gnome 3? Can't believe the Gnome folks (assuming they're deciding about this) allow this to continue to cripple the Gnome desktop. -- Resizing windows by grabbing window borders is difficult [please no more comments; patches welcome] https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/160311 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to metacity in ubuntu. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 160311] Re: Resizing windows by grabbing window borders is difficult [please no more comments; patches welcome]
** Description changed: + + * + No more comments needed + + This should mostly be fixed for Natty and might get backported to earlier releases as well. + * + Binary package hint: metacity - The issue has been an issue for users (especially of large) screens for several releases - - Trackpad users seem to be particularly impacted by this - - The issue appears to have been significantly aggravated in Lucid by changing the border width from 3 pixels to 1 pixel + - Trackpad users seem to be particularly impacted by this- The issue appears to have been significantly aggravated in Lucid by changing the border width from 3 pixels to 1 pixel The window borders in metacity are far too thin to be used for comfortable window resizing, and resize handles are not available in all applications (or even most). In fact, of all the windows I have open right now, not a single one of them has a resize handle. The result is that I get a lot of misses when I try to drag a window border, which usually results in my clicking on the wrong window altogether. The best fix for this usability bug is to create an invisible region around each non-maximized window about 4px thick that can be used for resizing (in addition to the visible border). Or perhaps there should be a border thickness option on the System Preferences Windows dialog (although the default thickness should still be increased considerably). Ideally all windows would also have a resize handle but I realize that these have to be application controlled (at least that seems to be the position of the metacity team). + + * + Blueprint for Natty: + https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/packageselection-dx-n-resizing-windows + + Work items + 1 * Make sure the new resize grip fits in current applications; doesn't interfere with anything. We should make some noise about this during the Natty cycle so people keep their eyes open and file bugs. + 2 * Invisible window resize area - around 3px invisible area to allow resize on all sides. + + * + Working grip backported to gtk2 already available in ppa : https://launchpad.net/~bratsche/+archive/gtk + * -- Resizing windows by grabbing window borders is difficult [please no more comments; patches welcome] https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/160311 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to metacity in ubuntu. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 160311] Re: Resizing windows by grabbing window borders is difficult [please no more comments; patches welcome]
Just wanted to say that I too find window resizing to be a pain. I'll be changing the config file to widen the border. In case it matters, I'd vote for the addition of a border width control to the configuration UI. Seems like Appearance/Theme/Customize.../Window Border would be a natural place for it. Maybe something like the Pointer Size control. -- Resizing windows by grabbing window borders is difficult [please no more comments; patches welcome] https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/160311 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to metacity in ubuntu. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 160311] Re: Resizing windows by grabbing window borders is difficult [please no more comments; patches welcome]
Hmm... I was able to increase border size for left, right, bottom borders by editing the XML config as described by Troy James Sobotka (comment #11). But, like Scaine (comment #58), I was not able to change the top border, even after changing every value in the normal frame_geometry block that looked like it might relate to the top border. The 5px width borders on left/right/bottom is a huge improvement, but the thin top border is still a bother. Does anyone know how to change the top border via the XML config? Thx. -- Resizing windows by grabbing window borders is difficult [please no more comments; patches welcome] https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/160311 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to metacity in ubuntu. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 160311] Re: Resizing windows by grabbing window borders is difficult [please no more comments; patches welcome]
It is pretty clear that this is an issue and it is also pretty clear that the folks who 'get to say' do not want to fix it. I seems pointless to continue nominating it for the next release since that tactic has been ineffective since 6.06. Seems to me it is time to find an alternative to the un-cooperative component. -- Resizing windows by grabbing window borders is difficult [please no more comments; patches welcome] https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/160311 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to metacity in ubuntu. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
Re: [Bug 160311] Re: Resizing windows by grabbing window borders is difficult [please no more comments; patches welcome]
Brandon, I am working on something that should help to prevent issues like this in the future. We could all donate money and get a patch if needed, but then again only those lucky enough to know about launchpad will be the ones to find it. Upstream may not even take it. I am not sure how long it will take, but this can't continue to happen. So much frustration with little alleviation is just not to our potential in my book. Not to dig on the developers, but we as a communitty can do better. On 10/23/10, Brandon Sussman bran...@wrweb.net wrote: It is pretty clear that this is an issue and it is also pretty clear that the folks who 'get to say' do not want to fix it. I seems pointless to continue nominating it for the next release since that tactic has been ineffective since 6.06. Seems to me it is time to find an alternative to the un-cooperative component. -- Resizing windows by grabbing window borders is difficult [please no more comments; patches welcome] https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/160311 You received this bug notification because you are a direct subscriber of the bug. -- -- Jason A. Benoit We engrave upon everyone our image with all action taken and words spoken, and turn them into molds that shape others, just as they have done to us. - Villein -- Resizing windows by grabbing window borders is difficult [please no more comments; patches welcome] https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/160311 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to metacity in ubuntu. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 160311] Re: Resizing windows by grabbing window borders is difficult [please no more comments; patches welcome]
Does anyone know if this issue still exists in the current state of Gnome 3? -- Resizing windows by grabbing window borders is difficult [please no more comments; patches welcome] https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/160311 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to metacity in ubuntu. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 160311] Re: Resizing windows by grabbing window borders is difficult [please no more comments; patches welcome]
I'm a bit surprised at the low severity. I would think that a major usability issue in the default theme would be high. -- Resizing windows by grabbing window borders is difficult [please no more comments; patches welcome] https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/160311 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to metacity in ubuntu. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 160311] Re: Resizing windows by grabbing window borders is difficult [please no more comments; patches welcome]
From the huge amount of comments here with people wanting a fix, and the frequency that this bug would be encountered for the average user, I agree, it should be higher. A simple task such as resizing a window should work better. Yet, we must sit here and wish that it would be fixed in Metacity for Ubuntu, and evidently it's more important that a theme look good than be usable. It needs to do both. -- Resizing windows by grabbing window borders is difficult [please no more comments; patches welcome] https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/160311 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to metacity in ubuntu. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 160311] Re: Resizing windows by grabbing window borders is difficult [please no more comments; patches welcome]
This bug is the usability bug no 1 since years! I don't get why it got not fixed long time ago. -- Resizing windows by grabbing window borders is difficult [please no more comments; patches welcome] https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/160311 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to metacity in ubuntu. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 160311] Re: Resizing windows by grabbing window borders is difficult [please no more comments; patches welcome]
I know you said no more comments, but I just have to add one more. I don't actually know what Ubuntu's 'mission' is, but I expect it would like to become a popular desktop operating system that can be used and maintained by anyone. Well until you fix your processes I just can't see that even coming close to being true. I'm not being ungrateful, I know and appreciate this amazing free and open software, but I'm trying to help you. You actually made this problem *worse* from one release to the next, the mere fact that you were able to do that doesn't bode well. But anyway, good luck, I hope you get the concentrate on getting basics right however boring that may be. -- Resizing windows by grabbing window borders is difficult [please no more comments; patches welcome] https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/160311 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to metacity in ubuntu. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 160311] Re: Resizing windows by grabbing window borders is difficult [please no more comments; patches welcome]
krona: I think the description for Ubuntu bug #1 ( https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/1 ), under What should happen point #3 is relevant to this bug. -- Resizing windows by grabbing window borders is difficult [please no more comments; patches welcome] https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/160311 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to metacity in ubuntu. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 160311] Re: Resizing windows by grabbing window borders is difficult [please no more comments; patches welcome]
Scaine: I can't see anyone taking up this torch when a new Gnome and theme engine are just round the corner. Perhaps.. Should we need to bring this bug to the attention of the Gnome developers ASAP? To my mind, the importance (low) of this bug speaks volumes regarding whether it will be fixed. Anyone who thinks this bug is low should go without resizing their windows for a few days. Maybe then they will still say it is low. But then the next thing they should do is install of of those prank programs that move your mouse a little bit right as you click. That is what this feels like, a sad joke. I know I CAN grab the edge, but I just can't oh FINALLY It isn't mission critical, but this is definitely in my mind a medium priority fix. Trust me, if it hurts usability, and it does, people will be turned off and give up Linux. This bug honestly did help push me to give up after years and I have just returned in 10.10 hoping it was fixed. (YAY Foursquare Flash!!!) I know I am not the only one. But I am one of the few savvy enough to find Launchpad. But look around, and you will see how many are affected by how many have in fact found launchpad . And that is just... so sad. We can do better than this... can't we? Sorry if I sound jaded. In my head, this bug was buried a long time ago. No need to apologize for your feelings. JFK said that We have nothing to fear, but fear itself. I say he is wrong, we have to and must fear losing our hope. Without Richard Stallman's hope, even as a lone man with an idea, we wouldn't be here discussing this right now. We have the blessing, to be (probably) a part of what makes it right. I'd also like to suggest that it gets fixed in Ubuntu 10.04 as that is a LTS release. I want to say I agree, but it depends on how LTS is looked at. I say fix it for anything you can, but generally new features aren't added, is my understanding. However this is worthy imho if any are. You shouldn't have to be held back because your computer works fine, you upgrade monitors or a mouse because the old one died and your experience is hurt. Will the border be too large at lower resolutions? As the person below you said, testing will be needed. But I wonder how can you honestly ask this question. Do you mean that between someone having too much and another not having enough, you would rather someone without enough to do without? Perhaps that is what this debate is about, and I completely missed the boat. If an easy fix would be to just make the borders bigger, then we would in fact be sacrificing usability for aesthetics. Aesthetics are required for optimal usability, but this is just.. well unjust is what it is. But at the same time, I don't want to ruin someone else's experience. That wouldn't be good either. So really, we must figure this out, because I don't know how to put it any other way except it is SUPER_MEGA_FREAKING annoying and people have probably quit using Ubuntu/Meta CIty more than we know because they can't even resize a SUPER_MEGA_FREAKING window... Sorry to be so frank. But I sometimes wonder if developers get it... Remember, users are people too! ; ) (We just may do it differently.) Just to recap, we can have different theme's with bigger borders, and that will fix the issue, but it just looks non-pleasing. So us users want the aesthetics and be able to have usability. I feel that looking to the way others do it may be the best way, as I see no need to reinvent the wheel. A few pixels past the border seems to be how it works in Windows, I do not know about Macs. Anyone care to help test on different monitors on native resolution to see if there is a pattern, or if it is just a set amount of pixels? I am thinking it may scale with the resolution... -- Resizing windows by grabbing window borders is difficult [please no more comments; patches welcome] https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/160311 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to metacity in ubuntu. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 160311] Re: Resizing windows by grabbing window borders is difficult [please no more comments; patches welcome]
georgehu: It's actually currently a per-theme setting in the theme definition files, and there are some themes that are set to provide thicker grab bars than others. In my personal opinion it should be a theme-independent setting that is configurable by end-users via a GUI control. Alden: I agree 100%, and this is why I think it should be something that can be easily controlled by the end-user rather than dictated by the particular theme. It's a usability issue, not an aesthetic one. -- Resizing windows by grabbing window borders is difficult [please no more comments; patches welcome] https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/160311 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to metacity in ubuntu. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 160311] Re: Resizing windows by grabbing window borders is difficult [please no more comments; patches welcome]
Ben - thanks for the info. As a temporary workaround, which file do I edit? I'm using the Radiance theme. -- Resizing windows by grabbing window borders is difficult [please no more comments; patches welcome] https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/160311 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to metacity in ubuntu. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 160311] Re: Resizing windows by grabbing window borders is difficult [please no more comments; patches welcome]
madbiologist: Googled around and found a recent forum thread with a post describing how to do the theme file edit: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=9881877#post9881877 -- Resizing windows by grabbing window borders is difficult [please no more comments; patches welcome] https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/160311 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to metacity in ubuntu. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 160311] Re: Resizing windows by grabbing window borders is difficult [please no more comments; patches welcome]
Comment #11 already details how to manually work around this bug. Of course, if you change theme thereafter, you'll have to edit that theme's metactiy-1.xml file too. https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/metacity/+bug/160311/comments/11 I hate to be doom and gloom, but this metacity bug is upstream on gnome : for a couple of reasons, it's unlikely to be fixed ever. The upstream bug had a patch issued Dec 2008 (!), since ignored and the last comment there was January this year. It's much more likely that this will be addressed in Gnome 3. To that end, I'd recommend hacking your themes until then. It's been three and a half years now and nominated for every release of Ubuntu since it was raised, so I can't see anyone taking up this torch when a new Gnome and theme engine are just round the corner. To my mind, the importance (low) of this bug speaks volumes regarding whether it will be fixed. Perhaps Ayatana will make a difference, but sadly Paper Cuts didn't (it was ignored by the last two Paper Cuts attempts). Sorry if I sound jaded. In my head, this bug was buried a long time ago. -- Resizing windows by grabbing window borders is difficult [please no more comments; patches welcome] https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/160311 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to metacity in ubuntu. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
Re: [Bug 160311] Re: Resizing windows by grabbing window borders is difficult [please no more comments; patches welcome]
Hi all, I don't want to see this fixed because it works that way in Windows. I want to see it fixed because it is logical to want it to work this way. I do not think it is too much to ask for an advanced operating system to be adapted to the way users use it, instead of forcing users to adapt to the way it was programmed. (or deficiency thereof) In this case, it is just the software not keeping up with hardware's advances, and this bug should be able to be remedied instead of the feature killed off. You're right of course, this has nothing to do with how Windows works. Except perhaps that Windows, Mac and Linux all share the same concepts of working with a keyboard, mouse and screen. When touch screens become main stream are we going to say that users should figure out which theme matches the thickness of their fingers or else they won't be able to comfortably and intuitively with the system? I'm surprised to read the debate is still going on. The way it currently works is simply not ergonomic nor intuitive. All themes (well especially those that come standard with Ubuntu) should support easy resizing of windows, ie. it should be fixed independently of themes. I surely don't consider this fixed or mute by adding a hidden option somewhere in 10.10. I'd also like to suggest that it gets fixed in Ubuntu 10.04 as that is a LTS release. thanks, Jan -- Resizing windows by grabbing window borders is difficult [please no more comments; patches welcome] https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/160311 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to metacity in ubuntu. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
Re: [Bug 160311] Re: Resizing windows by grabbing window borders is difficult [please no more comments; patches welcome]
On Mon, Oct 18, 2010 at 8:46 PM, Jan Bakuwel 160...@bugs.launchpad.netwrote: Hi all, I don't want to see this fixed because it works that way in Windows. I want to see it fixed because it is logical to want it to work this way. I do not think it is too much to ask for an advanced operating system to be adapted to the way users use it, instead of forcing users to adapt to the way it was programmed. (or deficiency thereof) In this case, it is just the software not keeping up with hardware's advances, and this bug should be able to be remedied instead of the feature killed off. You're right of course, this has nothing to do with how Windows works. Except perhaps that Windows, Mac and Linux all share the same concepts of working with a keyboard, mouse and screen. When touch screens become main stream are we going to say that users should figure out which theme matches the thickness of their fingers or else they won't be able to comfortably and intuitively with the system? I'm surprised to read the debate is still going on. The way it currently works is simply not ergonomic nor intuitive. All themes (well especially those that come standard with Ubuntu) should support easy resizing of windows, ie. it should be fixed independently of themes. I surely don't consider this fixed or mute by adding a hidden option somewhere in 10.10. I'd also like to suggest that it gets fixed in Ubuntu 10.04 as that is a LTS release. thanks, Jan Jan, I can certainly see your point but it is important to consider there is risk to any solution implemented. For example if Metacity is changed to satisfy this requirement how will the solution work with Compbiz? Will the border be too large at lower resolutions? What about Gnome shell? Cheers, John -- Resizing windows by grabbing window borders is difficult [please no more comments; patches welcome] https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/160311 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to metacity in ubuntu. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 160311] Re: Resizing windows by grabbing window borders is difficult [please no more comments; patches welcome]
John, this is why we test the solution. Should someone implement a fix, I will volunteer for testing. We need to ensure that this fix works across the board for compiz, metacity, popular default themes, etc. single monitor, dual monitor. ATI/nvidia/Intel graphics (if that matters). This needs to be scoped ASAP for 10.04+. -- Resizing windows by grabbing window borders is difficult [please no more comments; patches welcome] https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/160311 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to metacity in ubuntu. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 160311] Re: Resizing windows by grabbing window borders is difficult [please no more comments; patches welcome]
It seems that with the newest update of ubuntu 10.10, the border is easier to grab. Except for the terminal window, it is still hard to grab the border to do resizing. -- Resizing windows by grabbing window borders is difficult [please no more comments; patches welcome] https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/160311 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to metacity in ubuntu. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
Re: [Bug 160311] Re: Resizing windows by grabbing window borders is difficult [please no more comments; patches welcome]
I was unaware of the menu choices presented by right-clicking the title bar. :( That's not a technical issue, that's a training issue. In my opinion the resize option is very usable and makes this bug mute. Would usability improve if folks were encouraged to right-click the title bar by disabling the window border grab feature? John -- Resizing windows by grabbing window borders is difficult [please no more comments; patches welcome] https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/160311 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to metacity in ubuntu. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 160311] Re: Resizing windows by grabbing window borders is difficult [please no more comments; patches welcome]
I do not think so. Sure, many would get the hint and eventually figure it out, but many would be put-off just trying to figure out how to resize, even if they were successful. By default in Ubuntu with Compiz on you can also control+middle-click to resize. But one thing about Linux and free software is choice to do it how you want. You nor I, could answer for everyone on how comfortable we'd would feel doing it either way. But one thing I do know for sure is, resizing a window by grabbing the edge is something that many are currently comfortable with now. That is, unless they have a high resolution monitor, mouse or other issue that makes it difficult to grab said edge. Grabbing the border is just intuitive. Take that away, and you have just become lazy and made the switch difficult for anyone who has ever used Windows, or even not used a computer at all but seen things grabbed by watching others use a PC. Training could certainly help, but we should I think need to keep according to the usability standards and want anyone to be able to pick it up and use it. I don't want to see this fixed because it works that way in Windows. I want to see it fixed because it is logical to want it to work this way. I do not think it is too much to ask for an advanced operating system to be adapted to the way users use it, instead of forcing users to adapt to the way it was programmed. (or deficiency thereof) In this case, it is just the software not keeping up with hardware's advances, and this bug should be able to be remedied instead of the feature killed off. -- Resizing windows by grabbing window borders is difficult [please no more comments; patches welcome] https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/160311 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to metacity in ubuntu. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 160311] Re: Resizing windows by grabbing window borders is difficult [please no more comments; patches welcome]
** Changed in: metacity (Ubuntu) Status: Triaged = Confirmed -- Resizing windows by grabbing window borders is difficult [please no more comments; patches welcome] https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/160311 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to metacity in ubuntu. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 160311] Re: Resizing windows by grabbing window borders is difficult [please no more comments; patches welcome]
It would be nice to see some discussion of a theme-independent solution to this issue. Expecting end-users to edit per-theme configuration files is a non-ideal solution at best. This is a huge ease-of-use issue for me and many others: http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/idea/2571/ -- Resizing windows by grabbing window borders is difficult [please no more comments; patches welcome] https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/160311 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to metacity in ubuntu. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 160311] Re: Resizing windows by grabbing window borders is difficult [please no more comments; patches welcome]
** Changed in: metacity (Ubuntu) Status: Confirmed = Triaged -- Resizing windows by grabbing window borders is difficult [please no more comments; patches welcome] https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/160311 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to metacity in ubuntu. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 160311] Re: Resizing windows by grabbing window borders is difficult [please no more comments; patches welcome]
Kate - how is This can be mitigated by switching to the Dust or Clear Looks theme a fix? If I install Ubuntu 10.10 on a new machine, the default theme is still Ambience with 1 px borders. Are users required to just *know* that they need to change a theme to be able to resize windows? No other operating system seems to have this requirement. Fix or change the default theme. -- Resizing windows by grabbing window borders is difficult [please no more comments; patches welcome] https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/160311 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to metacity in ubuntu. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
Re: [Bug 160311] Re: Resizing windows by grabbing window borders is difficult [please no more comments; patches welcome]
You are do right. Kind Regards, Melroy van den Berg webmaster1...@gmail.com - Reply message - Van: Stian Soiland-Reyes 160...@bugs.launchpad.net Datum: wo, okt. 13, 2010 18:39 Onderwerp: [Bug 160311] Re: Resizing windows by grabbing window borders is difficult [please no more comments; patches welcome] Aan: webmas...@web-share.nl Kate - how is This can be mitigated by switching to the Dust or Clear Looks theme a fix? If I install Ubuntu 10.10 on a new machine, the default theme is still Ambience with 1 px borders. Are users required to just *know* that they need to change a theme to be able to resize windows? No other operating system seems to have this requirement. Fix or change the default theme. -- Resizing windows by grabbing window borders is difficult [please no more comments; patches welcome] https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/160311 You received this bug notification because you are a direct subscriber of a duplicate bug (575262). -- Resizing windows by grabbing window borders is difficult [please no more comments; patches welcome] https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/160311 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to metacity in ubuntu. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 160311] Re: Resizing windows by grabbing window borders is difficult [please no more comments; patches welcome]
** Changed in: ubuntu-release-notes Status: Fix Committed = Fix Released ** Also affects: human-gtk-theme (Ubuntu Maverick) Importance: Low Status: Invalid ** Also affects: light-themes (Ubuntu Maverick) Importance: Low Status: Triaged ** Also affects: metacity (Ubuntu Maverick) Importance: Wishlist Status: Triaged -- Resizing windows by grabbing window borders is difficult [please no more comments; patches welcome] https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/160311 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to metacity in ubuntu. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 160311] Re: Resizing windows by grabbing window borders is difficult [please no more comments; patches welcome]
Release notes task has been committed ** Changed in: ubuntu-release-notes Status: New = Fix Committed ** Changed in: metacity (Ubuntu) Assignee: Kenneth Wimer (kwwii) = (unassigned) ** Changed in: ayatana-design Assignee: Kenneth Wimer (kwwii) = Vish (vish) ** Changed in: ayatana-design Assignee: Vish (vish) = (unassigned) -- Resizing windows by grabbing window borders is difficult [please no more comments; patches welcome] https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/160311 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to metacity in ubuntu. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 160311] Re: Resizing windows by grabbing window borders is difficult [please no more comments; patches welcome]
This has been added to the Ubuntu Release Notes. -- Resizing windows by grabbing window borders is difficult [please no more comments; patches welcome] https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/160311 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to metacity in ubuntu. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 160311] Re: Resizing windows by grabbing window borders is difficult [please no more comments; patches welcome]
Link? -- Resizing windows by grabbing window borders is difficult [please no more comments; patches welcome] https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/160311 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to metacity in ubuntu. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 160311] Re: Resizing windows by grabbing window borders is difficult [please no more comments; patches welcome]
Brett, I randomly stumbled upon this one some minutes ago: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MaverickMeerkat/TechnicalOverview Knows issues - Common desktop issues -- Resizing windows by grabbing window borders is difficult [please no more comments; patches welcome] https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/160311 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to metacity in ubuntu. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
Re: [Bug 160311] Re: Resizing windows by grabbing window borders is difficult [please no more comments; patches welcome]
there is a blueprint for Natty. https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/other-hci-n-resizing-windows -- Resizing windows by grabbing window borders is difficult [please no more comments; patches welcome] https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/160311 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to metacity in ubuntu. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 160311] Re: Resizing windows by grabbing window borders is difficult [please no more comments; patches welcome]
** Also affects: ubuntu-release-notes Importance: Undecided Status: New -- Resizing windows by grabbing window borders is difficult [please no more comments; patches welcome] https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/160311 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to metacity in ubuntu. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 160311] Re: Resizing windows by grabbing window borders is difficult [please no more comments; patches welcome]
How would you customize a hotspot? I'm seeing - radiance - a kind of V-shaped 'hotspot' for resizing from the corners that is 1 pixel high, possibly 7 pixels wide, at for instance the right-hand side of the top of the window, then 1 pixel wide, possibly 7 pixels high, at the top of the right-hand edge of the window, although my understanding of the word 'hotspot' would seem to suggest it should be a rectangular area? Aside from the very thin V-shaped 'corner resize' zone, no sign of hotspots whatsoever? As I'm writing, a comment that the invisible additional grab area sounds workable, should perhaps be a gconf setting, default off, as invisible overlaps could be a source of unpredictable behavior :-) -- Resizing windows by grabbing window borders is difficult [please no more comments; patches welcome] https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/160311 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to metacity in ubuntu. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
Re: [Bug 160311] Re: Resizing windows by grabbing window borders is difficult [please no more comments; patches welcome]
I have made an error in my comments to this bug report. I would like to ask the people experiencing this to try what I described (resizing from the corners) with Metacity (desktop effects disabled), not Compiz. Metacity seems to behave considerably better here than Compiz, where the extended resize handle on the corners is simply not there. (The only thing you can resize with is the 1px border). With that in mind, it seems it would be a good idea to file a bug against Compiz, not Metacity, given that _Compiz_ is (for the time being) the default window manager new Ubuntu users must deal with and it is in fact behaving incorrectly. -- Resizing windows by grabbing window borders is difficult [please no more comments; patches welcome] https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/160311 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to metacity in ubuntu. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 160311] Re: Resizing windows by grabbing window borders is difficult [please no more comments; patches welcome]
https://code.launchpad.net/~cimi/light-themes/rounded-bottom-corners Mature branch with rounded corners at bottom, from 1px height to 4px. -- Resizing windows by grabbing window borders is difficult [please no more comments; patches welcome] https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/160311 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to metacity in ubuntu. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 160311] Re: Resizing windows by grabbing window borders is difficult [please no more comments; patches welcome]
anyone wanting to try light-themes patched with the above branch in Maverick here is the deb ** Attachment added: light-themes_0.1.8_all.deb https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/metacity/+bug/160311/+attachment/1635345/+files/light-themes_0.1.8_all.deb -- Resizing windows by grabbing window borders is difficult [please no more comments; patches welcome] https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/160311 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to metacity in ubuntu. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 160311] Re: Resizing windows by grabbing window borders is difficult [please no more comments; patches welcome]
** Changed in: metacity Importance: Unknown = Low -- Resizing windows by grabbing window borders is difficult [please no more comments; patches welcome] https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/160311 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to metacity in ubuntu. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 160311] Re: Resizing windows by grabbing window borders is difficult [please no more comments; patches welcome]
Everyone knows this is a problem – more comments don’t help more, they actually distract people from doing work on it. ** Summary changed: - Resizing windows by grabbing window borders is difficult + Resizing windows by grabbing window borders is difficult [please no more comments; patches welcome] -- Resizing windows by grabbing window borders is difficult [please no more comments; patches welcome] https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/160311 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to metacity in ubuntu. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
