[Bug 1666681] Re: Drop interactive_search.patch (type-ahead search)
This is an essential feature that needs to be brought back. I have the same problems as Dmitriy and drunckoder. Everything worked nicely in 17.04 after disabling recursive search. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to nautilus in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/181 Title: Drop interactive_search.patch (type-ahead search) To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nautilus/+bug/181/+subscriptions -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 1666681] Re: Drop interactive_search.patch (type-ahead search)
That's an essential feature that should never be abandoned. I'm facing similar issues like Dmitriy did. Are there ways to patch or downgrade Nautilus? It's working perfectly in 17.04 -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to nautilus in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/181 Title: Drop interactive_search.patch (type-ahead search) To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nautilus/+bug/181/+subscriptions -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 1666681] Re: Drop interactive_search.patch (type-ahead search)
For me it's very annoying. I migrated from Ubuntu 17.04 to 17.10 several days before, and just cant use nautilus. I'm using this type-ahead feature for navigate. At the beginning i tried to switch off recursive search in nautilus to speedup it. But when i want to use recursive search i should go to the setting and switching it on again. I even tried to replace nautilus with another file manager, but gnome can't showing desktop items without nautilus. Why type-ahead can't exists as optional setting? Type-ahead still works in open/save dialogs, why it can't be in nautilus? -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to nautilus in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/181 Title: Drop interactive_search.patch (type-ahead search) To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nautilus/+bug/181/+subscriptions -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 1666681] Re: Drop interactive_search.patch (type-ahead search)
I definitely can't live without type-ahead. I just upgrade from 17.04 Ubuntu Gnome to default 17.10 to test it and Nautilus is unusable without that feature. I'm not sure why it can't be keep as default or optional behavior, but it is a huge regression to me, and to many other users I suppose. I've been using type-ahead search for years and there's no way I can adapt to a search window opening each time I want to navigate folders. I do agree with @mniess, Search and navigation really are too different things. Is there a way to downgrade nautilus to a usable version ? -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to nautilus in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/181 Title: Drop interactive_search.patch (type-ahead search) To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nautilus/+bug/181/+subscriptions -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 1666681] Re: Drop interactive_search.patch (type-ahead search)
Hey Carlos @csoriano, sorry for replying to such an old bug but I didn't know where else to do this. You mentioned use-case covered by search, so here are my usecases not covered by search (as far as I know). In research projects you often have big datasets. So e.g., when I get data from an MRT-scan with a couple of thousand images, tracker is out of the question. I need to access the data immediately and can't wait for indexing. When I want to navigate to images starting with "PBX" I just enter that for type-ahead and Nautilus jumps directly to the first file starting with that while still showing me the files before and after (according to the current sort-order). Search doesn't navigate, it searches for "PBX" and shows me all files containing PBX anywhere (after a long wait because the files aren't indexed, yet). Sometimes I need to see files in the context of their creation time. With type-ahead I just sort by date and navigate to a specific file to see which files where created before and after the file in question. Researcher who are already using newer versions of Gnome without type- ahead often just use PgUp/PgDown until the see what they need instead of directly navigating there. You see the pattern: search can't replace navigation. They are two seperate things. Thanks for taking the time to reply here. If you're interested in discussing this further, just let me know where. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to nautilus in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/181 Title: Drop interactive_search.patch (type-ahead search) To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nautilus/+bug/181/+subscriptions -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 1666681] Re: Drop interactive_search.patch (type-ahead search)
Jeremy, Yes you are right, that's why we have the "model search" where we search in the current Nautilus cache. Sorry for that mistake, I had a brainfart :/ Tracker is not needed for the search to be a (fast enough) replacement of type ahead. I will clarify this in the other bug report. "Going back to the topic there I think we should get 3.24 without the typeahead patch and without tracker in a ppa" Sounds fine. I'm afraid though that recursive search is going to be too slow, and people could think this is the intended behavior when is not. But this is topic for the other bug report indeed. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to nautilus in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/181 Title: Drop interactive_search.patch (type-ahead search) To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nautilus/+bug/181/+subscriptions -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 1666681] Re: Drop interactive_search.patch (type-ahead search)
Thanks Carlos for the detailled comment, one question though, why doesn't it make sense without tracker? If we disable recursive lookups by default the search without tracker limited to the current directly should work without performance bottleneck or issues no? Otherwise one thing that was annoying me when I previously tried the new version is the view content changing as you type, but I guess that's by design/still the case/not going to change (it might be even more change now since your comment suggest you switch to list view automatically)... Going back to the topic there I think we should get 3.24 without the typeahead patch and without tracker in a ppa (the GNOME team one might be good enough or we might want to get one with only those) and do a call for testing/feedback on the desktop list. Enabling tracker is going to be a bigger discussion (which is started in bug #176) -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to nautilus in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/181 Title: Drop interactive_search.patch (type-ahead search) To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nautilus/+bug/181/+subscriptions -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 1666681] Re: Drop interactive_search.patch (type-ahead search)
** Description changed: Nautilus dropped the popular type-ahead search feature years ago. Ubuntu has been carrying a patch to revert that change. See bug 1164016 for the original LP bug and patch proposal. Nautilus is now under very active development. During the 3.22 cycle, that patch needed to be rebased. I tried to do it and what I came up with caused a crash (it didn't really crash for me, but ricotz and some others experienced it) and the first letter typed activated type-ahead search but the first letter was dropped. In other words, you would need to type "ddow" to activate the Downloads folder instead of just "dow" - like in previous releases. + like in previous releases. (LP: #1635988) I did that rebase in October 2016 and no one has stepped up then to improve the patch. The Nautilus maintainer csoriano has said that the slots and views changed significantly during 3.22 and will likely be refactored more in the future. If there's no one available to maintain the patch, unfortunately, we'll eventually have to drop the patch to not be stuck on an ancient version of Nautilus. I am proposing that we do this at the start of the 17.10 development cycle. This gives 6 months for a developer to step up and try to fix the patch and 12 months before 18.04 LTS. Other Items === - For better performance with the built-in search, we need to reconsider avoiding tracker in Unity (LP: #176) - There is an option in Preferences for users to disable searching in subfolders. I don't think we want to do that by default but maybe it can help some people. The current Nautilus 3.24 packaging is in the GNOME3 Staging PPA with this patch now disabled. https://launchpad.net/~gnome3-team/+archive/ubuntu/gnome3-staging/+packages?field.series_filter=zesty -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to nautilus in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/181 Title: Drop interactive_search.patch (type-ahead search) To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nautilus/+bug/181/+subscriptions -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 1666681] Re: Drop interactive_search.patch (type-ahead search)
Status changed to 'Confirmed' because the bug affects multiple users. ** Changed in: nautilus (Ubuntu) Status: New => Confirmed -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to nautilus in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/181 Title: Drop interactive_search.patch (type-ahead search) To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nautilus/+bug/181/+subscriptions -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 1666681] Re: Drop interactive_search.patch (type-ahead search)
Hey all, As Jeremy mentioned, I think it's the best idea to drop this patch and use the default search utility of Nautilus. For users - One of my main interests in the last 4 releases was to improve this situation, whether search doesn't replace the use cases of type ahead. We iterated on it and made several improvements: - Searches on the current folder are done with priority - Performance have been improved in several ways - Result of the current folder are clearly differentiated by not displaying the "Original Location" - We switch by default to list view when searching, so the locations or the file are clearly shown - We added a preference for permanently search recursively or only in the current folder. - The view used while searching can be changed independently of the default view when not searching. - Using tracker, search in most common folders is immediate. I believe all except one use case is covered in the current search, taking into account lag and performance too. The use case that is not covered is when the user wants to navigate to a folder that it's close to a name. For instance user wants "Pictures" folder and user searches for "Osomething", so most probably the next folder by alphabetical order is "Pictures". However I believe this is easily replaced by just searching for "Pictures" or "Osomething" and then right click -> open item location which opens the folder (it can be the current one) and selects the file, effectively replacing type ahead (again if tracker is enabled so lag is not an issue). We are still interested in evolving this more, and we are open to feedback and making the effort on improving the situation as long as it can fit, and doesn't clash, with our vision for search. For developers of Ubuntu The code on nautilus-window-slot and nautilus views is extremely delicate. You really need to understand all the interactions that happens under it to be able to modify the code expecting any reliability. Needless to say the patch that is currently used is missing this reliability, receiving crashes both in Ubuntu and upstream where we don't even know why this happen. Also this code has been refactored several times in the past, because it needed to, and it will be more refactored in the future. You will need to update the patch every release without exception, which I don't think is the best investment for Ubuntu if they are going to replace everything with Unity 8. So current situation is a lose-lose, trying to be as impartial as possible, I think using directly what upstream is using is the best solution for both parties, and even more in this part of the code. One thing to clarify, as Jeremy mentioned, this doesn't make sense without tracker, and if the decision is to not adopt tracker, I would recommend to keep the downstream patch. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to nautilus in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/181 Title: Drop interactive_search.patch (type-ahead search) To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nautilus/+bug/181/+subscriptions -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 1666681] Re: Drop interactive_search.patch (type-ahead search)
** Description changed: Nautilus dropped the popular type-ahead search feature years ago. Ubuntu has been carrying a patch to revert that change. See bug 1164016 for the original LP bug and patch proposal. Nautilus is now under very active development. During the 3.22 cycle, that patch needed to be rebased. I tried to do it and what I came up with caused a crash (it didn't really crash for me, but ricotz and some others experienced it) and the first letter typed activated type-ahead search but the first letter was dropped. In other words, you would need to type "ddow" to activate the Downloads folder instead of just "dow" like in previous releases. I did that rebase in October 2016 and no one has stepped up then to improve the patch. The Nautilus maintainer csoriano has said that the slots and views changed significantly during 3.22 and will likely be refactored more in the future. If there's no one available to maintain the patch, unfortunately, we'll eventually have to drop the patch to not be stuck on an ancient version of Nautilus. I am proposing that we do this at the start of the 17.10 development cycle. This gives 6 months for a developer to step up and try to fix the patch and 12 months before 18.04 LTS. - Other Items === - For better performance with the built-in search, we need to reconsider avoiding tracker in Unity (LP: #176) - There is an option in Preferences for users to disable searching in subfolders. I don't think we want to do that by default but maybe it can help some people. + + The current Nautilus 3.24 packaging is in the GNOME3 Staging PPA with + this patch now disabled. + + https://launchpad.net/~gnome3-team/+archive/ubuntu/gnome3-staging/+packages?field.series_filter=zesty -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to nautilus in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/181 Title: Drop interactive_search.patch (type-ahead search) To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nautilus/+bug/181/+subscriptions -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
