[Bug 1754872] Re: apt install xubuntu-desktop does not resolve dependencies properly
** Changed in: xubuntu-docs (Ubuntu) Status: Confirmed => Triaged ** Summary changed: - apt install xubuntu-desktop does not resolve dependencies properly + Document installation of xubuntu-desktop -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to gnome-control-center in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1754872 Title: Document installation of xubuntu-desktop To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/apt/+bug/1754872/+subscriptions -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 1754872] Re: apt install xubuntu-desktop does not resolve dependencies properly
Assigned this issue to xubuntu-docs. Let's document the correct way to handle the installation of the xubuntu-desktop package, and make it easy for users to find (and forums to point to) when these questions arise in the future. ** Also affects: xubuntu-docs (Ubuntu) Importance: Undecided Status: New ** Changed in: xubuntu-docs (Ubuntu) Status: New => Confirmed ** Changed in: xubuntu-meta (Ubuntu) Status: Confirmed => Invalid -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to gnome-control-center in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1754872 Title: apt install xubuntu-desktop does not resolve dependencies properly To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/apt/+bug/1754872/+subscriptions -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 1754872] Re: apt install xubuntu-desktop does not resolve dependencies properly
I've added this to the 20.04 development blueprint, so let's revisit and discuss. If we can't solve the problem with packaging, let's document the mini.iso installation process so others have an easier time. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to gnome-control-center in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1754872 Title: apt install xubuntu-desktop does not resolve dependencies properly To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/apt/+bug/1754872/+subscriptions -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 1754872] Re: apt install xubuntu-desktop does not resolve dependencies properly
There are subtle differences between how the meta package is installed and how tasks are installed, even if the meta package installs all task packages. tasksel effectively runs apt install xubuntu-desktop^, that is, it installs all packages that have the xubuntu-desktop task field set. But it might also include some other tasks, and I don't remember. That said, both methods are somewhat crap as they do not mark packages properly as autoremovable. Consider a package X depending on A or B. If you install it, it will install A as well. If you say install X B, it won't install X. That's the same effect for tasks, and may lead to slightly different choices. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to gnome-control-center in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1754872 Title: apt install xubuntu-desktop does not resolve dependencies properly To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/apt/+bug/1754872/+subscriptions -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 1754872] Re: apt install xubuntu-desktop does not resolve dependencies properly
Are these tasks up-to-date and maintained by Ubuntu? Who knows. I never even heard about tasks and tasksel until well after the abysmal experience of trying to install the xubuntu-desktop package. When I google "install xubuntu-desktop" this is what I see. 1 Answer 1. Install Xubuntu sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop. 2. Log out, log back in, selecting Xubuntu/Xfce as my interface. 3. Chill out for a few days. See that things still work. ... 4. Clean up. sudo apt-get remove ubuntu-desktop sudo apt-get autoremove # removes dependencies of ubuntu-desktop. Oct 30, 2011 system installation - How to I change from Ubuntu to Xubuntu ... https://askubuntu.com/questions/65861/how-to-i-change-from-ubuntu-to-xubuntu This is obviously WRONG for the reasons already stated in the above comments. Maybe using tasksel and choosing xubuntu-desktop is the better way of installing. But I would urge the Ubuntu / Debian developers to consider the idea that most people using this system won't know when to uses tasks versus a meta package or even trust the tasks to be correct. Even the documentation points to not bother with tasks or what they are for: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Tasksel This function is similar to that of meta-packages, and, in fact, most of the tasks available from tasksel are also available as meta-packages from the Ubuntu package managers (such as Synaptic Package Manager or KPackageKit). Because the package managers now have most of the tasks as meta- packages, tasksel is not installed by default on editions of Ubuntu (such as Desktop editions) that have package managers. (Tasksel is still installed by default on server editions). -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to gnome-control-center in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1754872 Title: apt install xubuntu-desktop does not resolve dependencies properly To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/apt/+bug/1754872/+subscriptions -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 1754872] Re: apt install xubuntu-desktop does not resolve dependencies properly
Use tasksel to install the task, it's what it's there for. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to gnome-control-center in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1754872 Title: apt install xubuntu-desktop does not resolve dependencies properly To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/apt/+bug/1754872/+subscriptions -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 1754872] Re: apt install xubuntu-desktop does not resolve dependencies properly
My experience is that installing 'apt-get install xubuntu-desktop' doesn't produce the desired results as it pulls in recommends that will pull in the extra items listed above in #32 for the reasons explained in #25. I've had better success with 'apt-get install xubuntu-desktop^' which doesn't pull in the extra 110ish packages for the other desktops. Perhaps there could be better clarification on what the xubuntu-desktop TASK is doing compared to the xubuntu-desktop META-PACKAGE. Maybe there could be a maintained list of what goes into a xubuntu installation so people can make more informed decisions on what to install for the xubuntu desktop on a minimal server install or having multiple desktops installed (which poses other issues). -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to gnome-control-center in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1754872 Title: apt install xubuntu-desktop does not resolve dependencies properly To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/apt/+bug/1754872/+subscriptions -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 1754872] Re: apt install xubuntu-desktop does not resolve dependencies properly
No changes were made to xubuntu-core and xubuntu-desktop yet, so the bug is obviously not fixed yet. However, the part regarding xfce4-session was fixed (should not pull in xscreensaver anymore). ** Changed in: xfce4-session (Ubuntu) Status: Confirmed => Fix Released -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to gnome-control-center in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1754872 Title: apt install xubuntu-desktop does not resolve dependencies properly To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/apt/+bug/1754872/+subscriptions -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 1754872] Re: apt install xubuntu-desktop does not resolve dependencies properly
Bug still exists. Simple installation of Xubuntu Desktop on top of 19.04 (disco) mini.iso with `sudo apt install xubuntu-desktop` results in long list of unwanted GNOME packages. I have created two outputs of `dpkg -l` before (mini.iso) and after xubuntu-desktop installation. $ diff before after | grep gnome | awk '{print $3}' language-pack-gnome-en language-pack-gnome-en-base libsoup-gnome2.4-1:amd64 gir1.2-gnomebluetooth-1.0:amd64 gir1.2-gnomedesktop-3.0:amd64 gkbd-capplet gnome-accessibility-themes gnome-bluetooth gnome-control-center gnome-control-center-data gnome-control-center-faces gnome-desktop3-data gnome-font-viewer gnome-icon-theme gnome-keyring gnome-keyring-pkcs11:amd64 gnome-menus gnome-mines gnome-online-accounts gnome-power-manager gnome-screensaver gnome-session-bin gnome-session-common gnome-settings-daemon gnome-settings-daemon-common gnome-shell gnome-shell-common gnome-software gnome-software-common gnome-software-plugin-snap gnome-startup-applications gnome-sudoku gnome-system-tools gnome-themes-extra:amd64 gnome-themes-extra-data gnome-themes-standard gnome-user-docs language-pack-gnome-en language-pack-gnome-en-base language-selector-gnome libgnome-bluetooth13:amd64 libgnome-desktop-3-17:amd64 libgnome-games-support-1-3:amd64 libgnome-games-support-common libgnome-menu-3-0:amd64 libgnomekbd-common libgnomekbd8:amd64 libpam-gnome-keyring:amd64 libreoffice-gnome libsoup-gnome2.4-1:amd64 network-manager-gnome network-manager-pptp-gnome pinentry-gnome3 policykit-1-gnome yaru-theme-gnome-shell and unity: $ diff before after | grep unity | awk '{print $3}' libmeanwhile1:amd64 libunity-control-center1 libunity-protocol-private0:amd64 libunity-scopes-json-def-desktop libunity-settings-daemon1:amd64 libunity9:amd64 unity-control-center unity-greeter unity-settings-daemon xubuntu-community-wallpapers xubuntu-community-wallpapers-bionic yaru-theme-gnome-shell So user still can't simply install Xubuntu on top of minimal system. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to gnome-control-center in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1754872 Title: apt install xubuntu-desktop does not resolve dependencies properly To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/apt/+bug/1754872/+subscriptions -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 1754872] Re: apt install xubuntu-desktop does not resolve dependencies properly
** Changed in: xfce4-session (Ubuntu) Status: Fix Released => Confirmed -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to gnome-control-center in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1754872 Title: apt install xubuntu-desktop does not resolve dependencies properly To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/apt/+bug/1754872/+subscriptions -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 1754872] Re: apt install xubuntu-desktop does not resolve dependencies properly
This bug was fixed in the package xfce4-session - 4.12.1-6ubuntu1 --- xfce4-session (4.12.1-6ubuntu1) disco; urgency=medium * Merge from debian unstable. - Recommends no longer include xscreensaver (LP: #1754872) * Remaining changes: - debian/patches: + xubuntu_git_Make_verbose_logging_conditional.patch: Backport a commit to turn off verbose logging by default. + xubuntu_ignore-gdm-lang.patch: do not set $LANG to $GDM_LANG, there's already an xsession script to do that, and $GDM_LANG might not contain a valid locale code. + 0001-Update-locker-list-in-xflock4.patch: Use locker list from debian git to add support for xfce4-screensaver + 0001-Add-DesktopNames-to-.desktop-file.patch, 0001-Export-XDG_CURRENT_DESKTOP-Bug-11239.patch, 02_add-light-locker-to-xflock4.patch, 03_add-light-locker-to-xflock4.patch, 03_runtime-logind-support.patch, 03_xflock4-update-lockers-list.patch: dropped, included upstream - debian/systemd/*, debian/xfce4-session.install: + Add systemd user session. Note that this is not active for the XFCE session right now, it will just be used for xubuntu-default-setting's Xubuntu session. - d/rules, d/startxfce4.user-session.upstart, d/xfce4-session.install: + Add Xfce upstart user session -- Sean Davis Mon, 25 Feb 2019 20:46:14 -0500 ** Changed in: xfce4-session (Ubuntu) Status: New => Fix Released -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to gnome-control-center in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1754872 Title: apt install xubuntu-desktop does not resolve dependencies properly To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/apt/+bug/1754872/+subscriptions -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 1754872] Re: apt install xubuntu-desktop does not resolve dependencies properly
Debian's xfce4-session package only recommends light-locker, so my suggestion in comment #26 would be an acceptable solution. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to gnome-control-center in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1754872 Title: apt install xubuntu-desktop does not resolve dependencies properly To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/apt/+bug/1754872/+subscriptions -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 1754872] Re: apt install xubuntu-desktop does not resolve dependencies properly
** Also affects: xfce4-session (Ubuntu) Importance: Undecided Status: New -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to gnome-control-center in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1754872 Title: apt install xubuntu-desktop does not resolve dependencies properly To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/apt/+bug/1754872/+subscriptions -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 1754872] Re: apt install xubuntu-desktop does not resolve dependencies properly
Norbert, please be respectful of other Ubuntu projects even if you don't want to use them yourself. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to gnome-control-center in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1754872 Title: apt install xubuntu-desktop does not resolve dependencies properly To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/apt/+bug/1754872/+subscriptions -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 1754872] Re: apt install xubuntu-desktop does not resolve dependencies properly
Bug exists in Cosmic. Please fix dependencies. Many users currently trying to avoid GNOMEs Hell and some of them will choose Xfce. But such dependency problems make bad reputation of Xfce. So they may consider to switch to KDE or MATE. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to gnome-control-center in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1754872 Title: apt install xubuntu-desktop does not resolve dependencies properly To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/apt/+bug/1754872/+subscriptions -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 1754872] Re: apt install xubuntu-desktop does not resolve dependencies properly
Can the order be changed so that xubuntu-desktop depends on lightdm-gtk- greeter, lightdm? The dependencies are listed in alphabetical order, but that may be not a requirement. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to gnome-control-center in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1754872 Title: apt install xubuntu-desktop does not resolve dependencies properly To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/apt/+bug/1754872/+subscriptions -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 1754872] Re: apt install xubuntu-desktop does not resolve dependencies properly
Julian, thanks for the detailed comment. I assume that the only way to somewhat work around this problem is to change the recommendation orders: lightdm: recommend lightdm-gtk-greeter | unity-greeter | ... xfce4-session: recommend light-locker | xscreensaver This may cause trouble and unexpected behavior for non Xubuntu users though. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to gnome-control-center in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1754872 Title: apt install xubuntu-desktop does not resolve dependencies properly To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/apt/+bug/1754872/+subscriptions -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 1754872] Re: apt install xubuntu-desktop does not resolve dependencies properly
There is no correct behavior here. xubuntu-desktop depends on lightdm, lightdm-gtk-greeter; so apt will install lightdm which Recommends unity-greeter | lightdm-greeter | lightdm-kde-greeter. Hence apt installs unity-greeter. Then it installs lightdm-gtk-greeter. Telling apt to install xubuntu-desktop and lightdm-gtk-greeter means you made the choice to use that, and thus don't need unity-greeter. Just not installing unity-greeter is (a) not possible in a greedy algorithm and (b) leads to wrong results in other cases (like installing an sqlite backend for something instead of an mysql one because it has fewer packages). The EDSP solvers and the kalel solver can do that. That said, for the future solver generation, my goal is to behave similar to now, but more strict. If something depends on A|B, the solver will inject a Recommends: A, unless B is already installed or manually marked for install. This will cause even more packages to be installed than now in some situations, but it's the best compromise we can offer. ** Changed in: apt (Ubuntu) Status: New => Invalid -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to gnome-control-center in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1754872 Title: apt install xubuntu-desktop does not resolve dependencies properly To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/apt/+bug/1754872/+subscriptions -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 1754872] Re: apt install xubuntu-desktop does not resolve dependencies properly
** Summary changed: - gnome-control-center is unusable on xubuntu-desktop, but called from Gear (About this Computer, System Settings) icon, Text Entry Settings, clock (Time & Date Settings) + apt install xubuntu-desktop does not resolve dependencies properly -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to gnome-control-center in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1754872 Title: apt install xubuntu-desktop does not resolve dependencies properly To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/apt/+bug/1754872/+subscriptions -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs