[Bug 191451] Re: Bad default choices for Vietnamese installation
I have remastered the Hardy beta LiveCD after having updated the gtk+2.0 package and I do confirm that VIQR is not anymore activated by default for Vietnamese locale! I have also installed the scim-m17n package to test m17n-db bugs corrections and I do confirm that Telex is now working appropriately (no more backspace or aff bugs) ! So this bug can now be closed. Many thanks! -- Bad default choices for Vietnamese installation https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/191451 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is a bug assignee. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 191451] Re: Bad default choices for Vietnamese installation
m17n-db patch was uploaded. ** Changed in: m17n-db (Ubuntu) Status: In Progress = Fix Released -- Bad default choices for Vietnamese installation https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/191451 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is a bug assignee. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 191451] Re: Bad default choices for Vietnamese installation
This bug was fixed in the package gtk+2.0 - 2.12.9-2ubuntu2 --- gtk+2.0 (2.12.9-2ubuntu2) hardy; urgency=low * debian/patches/022_disable-viqr-im-for-vi-locale.patch: - change from Ming Hua, don't activate the viqr input method for Vietnamese (lp: #191451) -- Sebastien Bacher [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sat, 29 Mar 2008 20:30:22 +0100 ** Changed in: gtk+2.0 (Ubuntu) Status: Confirmed = Fix Released -- Bad default choices for Vietnamese installation https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/191451 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is a bug assignee. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 191451] Re: Bad default choices for Vietnamese installation
The change seems to be correct, I've uploaded it to hardy so testing will be easier -- Bad default choices for Vietnamese installation https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/191451 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is a bug assignee. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 191451] Re: Bad default choices for Vietnamese installation
did anybody try the gtk change? -- Bad default choices for Vietnamese installation https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/191451 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is a bug assignee. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 191451] Re: Bad default choices for Vietnamese installation
the change seems to be alright, I've some question though, would it be suitable for upstream or debian or do you consider it only as an hardy workaround? and could somebody try the change and confirm that's doing what is expected? -- Bad default choices for Vietnamese installation https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/191451 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is a bug assignee. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 191451] Re: Bad default choices for Vietnamese installation
Hi, I have downloaded Ubuntu 8.04 beta and did a test installation from the live CD Desktop i386. F2 select Vietnamese (Tiêng Viêt) F3 US English keyboard is selected OK Start installation, selection of Vietnamese as language for install ; English American keyboard is selected OK As far as I've seen, all the problems reported with the declaration of this bug seem to have gone. Only thing remaining, when typing a vowel a, e, i, o, u, y it is still underlined while waiting for the next keyboard strike, however a strike sequence like e. results effectively in e., not in ẹ. There seems also to be new issues for typing Vietnamese in Hardy Heron (beta), as the procedure followed to enable Vietnamses typing with SCIM, as described in http://www.hanoilug.org/dokuwiki/soft:scimtelex for Feisty and Gutsy, seems not to work any more with Hardy Heron (beta) -- Bad default choices for Vietnamese installation https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/191451 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is a bug assignee. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 191451] Re: Bad default choices for Vietnamese installation
Answer to Sebstien Bacher: Sorry for current delay in my answers: I'm currently busy working longer than planed in Hồ Chí Minh City and have no time to do the requested test... Could somebody else test it please? But I'm not sure every Vietnamese people subscribed to this bug and interested in testing are able to rebuild a package including the patch proposed. Could somebody build such a package for them please? Answer to Vũ Đỗ Quỳnh: Please check bug 103328: you should not need to follow our procedure anymore since it has been integrated already. But it has been done one day after the beta release so the correction is probably not available in the beta. More on all this when I come back next week, sorry... -- Bad default choices for Vietnamese installation https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/191451 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is a bug assignee. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 191451] Re: Bad default choices for Vietnamese installation
Forgot to answer on one point to Sebastien Bacher: This change is about disabling Vietnamese typing by default in GTK+, independently of the distribution, so is suitable for upstream, IMHO. But, we ask for this to be included in Hardy to help us promote Ubuntu deployment using a LTS with already good Vietnamese support and directly from the original Ubuntu, not the derivative some people started to do for Vietnam (myself, but others too). -- Bad default choices for Vietnamese installation https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/191451 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is a bug assignee. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 191451] Re: Bad default choices for Vietnamese installation
marking as 'confirmed' for gtk+2.0, I don't see any further information missing here; I think the request to not make VIQR the default input method for the vi_VN locale is clear. ** Changed in: gtk+2.0 (Ubuntu) Status: Incomplete = Confirmed -- Bad default choices for Vietnamese installation https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/191451 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is a bug assignee. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 191451] Re: Bad default choices for Vietnamese installation
** Changed in: gtk+2.0 (Ubuntu) Status: Confirmed = Incomplete -- Bad default choices for Vietnamese installation https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/191451 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is a bug assignee. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 191451] Re: Bad default choices for Vietnamese installation
** Changed in: gtk+2.0 (Ubuntu) Importance: Undecided = Medium Assignee: (unassigned) = Ubuntu Desktop Bugs (desktop-bugs) Status: New = Confirmed Target: None = ubuntu-8.04 -- Bad default choices for Vietnamese installation https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/191451 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is a bug assignee. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 191451] Re: Bad default choices for Vietnamese installation
I applied the patch to m17n-db 1.3.1 to fix the Backspace problem in Telex IM. Source package is on people.ubuntu.com/~arne/m17n-db/ Please sponsor. (I'm afraid we won't be able to get m17n 1.5.1 into hardy, we are out of time. Beta freeze is in effect now. Unless of course someone steps up to do intensive testing for 1.5.1 to make sure there is no regression and applies for a Feature Freeze exception...) ** Attachment added: m17n-db.debdiff http://launchpadlibrarian.net/12664673/m17n-db.debdiff -- Bad default choices for Vietnamese installation https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/191451 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to gtk+2.0 in ubuntu. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 191451] Re: Bad default choices for Vietnamese installation
We could organize intensive testing for Vietnamese, but I'm afraid we won't be able to test every single language provided by m17n-db... :-/ About the language-support-input-vi metapackage, I do confirm that adding scim-m17n is enough and does work from Hardy Alpha 6 (I've just tested it). It was not enough up to and including Gutsy because libm17n-0 didn't depend on m17n-db which is the case now. -- Bad default choices for Vietnamese installation https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/191451 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to gtk+2.0 in ubuntu. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 191451] Re: Bad default choices for Vietnamese installation
not really a scim problem, and a fixed has been done for m17n-db to get a minimal working environment ** Changed in: m17n-db (Ubuntu) Sourcepackagename: scim = m17n-db Status: Confirmed = Fix Committed -- Bad default choices for Vietnamese installation https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/191451 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to gtk+2.0 in ubuntu. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 191451] Re: Bad default choices for Vietnamese installation
(not sure about what is the exact meaning of Fix Committed in term of bug management...) ** Changed in: m17n-db (Ubuntu) Status: Fix Committed = In Progress -- Bad default choices for Vietnamese installation https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/191451 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to gtk+2.0 in ubuntu. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 191451] Re: Bad default choices for Vietnamese installation
Hi Sebastien, hi Jean Christophe, My understanding (which may well be wrong) is that Jean Christophe doesn't like the VIQR input method provided by GTK+ to be enabled by default for Vietnamese locales. The input method is provided by file /usr/lib/gtk-2.0/2.10.0/immodules/im-viqr.so, and its default status can be seen from the following two lines in /usr/lib/gtk-2.0/2.10.0 /immodule-files.d/libgtk2.0-0.immodules: /usr/lib/gtk-2.0/2.10.0/immodules/im-viqr.so viqr Vietnamese (VIQR) gtk20 /usr/share/locale vi -- Bad default choices for Vietnamese installation https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/191451 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to gtk+2.0 in ubuntu. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 191451] Re: Bad default choices for Vietnamese installation
Attached is my COMPLETELY UNTESTED patch to show what I think changes need to be done for GTK+. Please don't apply it unless some Vietnamese user has confirmed that it does what he/she desires. I also don't quite understand how input method choosing works after the backporting of the change in GTK+ 2.16 that makes the right-click menu shows System instead of what $GTK_IM_MODULE specifies, so this patch may be on the wrong path. Anyway, hope this at least helps the communication between the Vietnamese users and the GTK+ maintainers. ** Attachment added: UNTESTED patch to make viqr not default for vi locale http://launchpadlibrarian.net/12655417/disable-viqr-im-for-vi-locale.patch -- Bad default choices for Vietnamese installation https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/191451 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to gtk+2.0 in ubuntu. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 191451] Re: Bad default choices for Vietnamese installation
Thanks Ming Hua for you summary which is absolutely exact. Your patch seems quite appropriate too, at least for the previous known GTK+ behavior. Can somebody generate a .deb from this? Else I'll try through my PPA, but I'm not sure to have time for this today... -- Bad default choices for Vietnamese installation https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/191451 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to gtk+2.0 in ubuntu. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 191451] Re: Bad default choices for Vietnamese installation
what gtk changes do you expect there? could you summarize the issue? -- Bad default choices for Vietnamese installation https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/191451 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to gtk+2.0 in ubuntu. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 191451] Re: Bad default choices for Vietnamese installation
Answer to Sebastien Bacher: Problem summary: When choosing some Vietnamese locale like vi_VN, GTK is activating its VIQR input method automatically (because of im-module hint) which leads to unexpected typing (for most Vietnamese people, not used to this input method) and even loss of characters in input fields (eg an 'e' at the end of a word will be loosed if you don't type a space after it). Because of this we often get complaints about typing being wrong (like password not working) which leads to bad Ubuntu experience for Vietnamese people. What we expect now: We would like to get the VIQR GTK input method module *not activated by default* for a Vietnamese locale. It is probably easy to solve by just removing the vi hint from the GTK im-viqr.so im-module. I think it's the last step to solve this Bad default choices for Vietnamese now. Don't hesitate to ask more or contact me directly as needed. TIA, J.C. -- Bad default choices for Vietnamese installation https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/191451 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to gtk+2.0 in ubuntu. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 191451] Re: Bad default choices for Vietnamese installation
[More Hardy Alpha6 Vietnamese support tests] It seems it's not exactly what I supposed... I see a strange GTK behavior here! When running a gnome-terminal, the default GTK input method is system and VIQR is *not* activated. When running ubiquity, the default GTK input method is also system but the VIQR input method *is* activated. You can see the difference between input results in the attached screenshot. So here I'm puzzled... I have no clue why the behavior is different between ubiquity or gnome-terminal, both being GTK compliant applications AFAIK... The good news is that GTK doesn't seem to eat characters anymore: when I type a final 'e' and then press Enter I still get the 'e' in the input. But still the VIQR input method being running by default is an unwanted feature. Let's give another example: people typing a password containing e^ will get it entered as e^ in console (or any other not-through-GTK input) but as ê in GTK, leading to password problems confusion. ** Attachment added: Hardy Alpha6 Vietnamese support - strange behavior in GTK http://launchpadlibrarian.net/12605795/HardyAlpha6Vietnamese.png -- Bad default choices for Vietnamese installation https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/191451 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to gtk+2.0 in ubuntu. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 191451] Re: Bad default choices for Vietnamese installation
I've just tested Hardy Alpha6 and here are my comments about Vietnamese support: - default keyboard is now US at boot, in Xorg and Ubiquity, thanks to Colin Watson - default GTK input method is system which still activate VIQR by default because of the im-viqr.so im-module hint for vi environment Here I can see two options: - let SCIM be the default input method in GTK = it's definitely the preferred long term solution (for Vietnamese and probably others too) but it sometime requires tuning before being fully usable, especially when mixing different locales/keyboard (eg Vietnamese with AZERTY), so this solution would require more testing and would not be appropriate right before the Hardy release ; - disable the hint for Vietnamese locale in the im-viqr.so GTK im-module so GTK input will just use straight Xorg keyboard which is now US by default = it's probably the preferred solution here since it would affect only Vietnamese support and nothing else, so even in the case it would create troubles they would be only ours. ;-) ** Also affects: gtk+2.0 (Ubuntu) Importance: Undecided Status: New -- Bad default choices for Vietnamese installation https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/191451 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to gtk+2.0 in ubuntu. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
