[Bug 1987162] Re: 43: New Device Security feature is confusing and unhelpful currently

2023-01-14 Thread Jeremy Bicha
The Device Security panel has been simplified in GNOME 44 Alpha and
Ubuntu 23.04 no longer disables showing the panel.

https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-control-
center/1:44~alpha-0ubuntu1

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[Bug 1987162] Re: 43: New Device Security feature is confusing and unhelpful currently

2022-08-31 Thread Mario Limonciello
> A default Ubuntu install only gets us "Security Level 1". The highest
level is "Security Level 3".

It's not a function of the OS, it's a function of the underlying hardware, 
firmware, and firmware configuration for your given system.
The "!" in the HSI string is controlled by OS behavior (such as encrypted swap, 
taint, etc).

At least on a pre-production Lenovo Z13 I can get HSI-2, depending on
whether Lenovo has SPI replay protection in the production hardware I
might be able to get all the way to HSI 4.

Host Security ID: HSI:2! (v1.8.4)

HSI-1
✔ Fused platform:Locked
✔ Rollback protection:   Enabled
✔ Supported CPU: Valid
✔ TPM empty PCRs:Valid
✔ TPM v2.0:  Found
✔ UEFI platform key: Valid

HSI-2
✔ IOMMU: Enabled
✔ Platform Debugging:Locked
✔ SPI write protection:  Enabled
✔ TPM PCR0 reconstruction:   Valid

HSI-3
✔ Pre-boot DMA protection:   Enabled
✔ Suspend-to-idle:   Enabled
✔ Suspend-to-ram:Disabled
✘ SPI replay protection: Disabled

HSI-4
✔ Encrypted RAM: Encrypted

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[Bug 1987162] Re: 43: New Device Security feature is confusing and unhelpful currently

2022-08-31 Thread Mario Limonciello
FYI - 1.8.4 synced from Debian to Ubuntu kinetic now.

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[Bug 1987162] Re: 43: New Device Security feature is confusing and unhelpful currently

2022-08-31 Thread Marcos Alano
The fix has landed with version 1.8.4.

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[Bug 1987162] Re: 43: New Device Security feature is confusing and unhelpful currently

2022-08-29 Thread Marcos Alano
I achieved level 3 with a fix that will be released for fwupd to
correctly detect the presence of Intel CET feature. That is my original
bug report: https://github.com/fwupd/fwupd/issues/4960

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[Bug 1987162] Re: 43: New Device Security feature is confusing and unhelpful currently

2022-08-28 Thread Marcos Alano
There are some features maybe I couldn't get, like encrypted RAM,
because they're related to corporate level features.

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[Bug 1987162] Re: 43: New Device Security feature is confusing and unhelpful currently

2022-08-28 Thread Marcos Alano
I achieved level 2 just setting "intel_iommu=on" on GRUB.

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[Bug 1987162] Re: 43: New Device Security feature is confusing and unhelpful currently

2022-08-28 Thread Alexander E. Patrakov
Also note that there is no requirement to have Secure Boot enabled in
Cyber Essentials.

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[Bug 1987162] Re: 43: New Device Security feature is confusing and unhelpful currently

2022-08-28 Thread Alexander E. Patrakov
@billdietrich444

Note: my comment is a trolling attempt, and hopefully an obvious one due
to the choice of an obviously unimplementable-in-a-useful-way standard.
Please take only 10% seriously.

It may be a good idea to stop talking about pure security according to
our own set of criteria (because it's up to discussion what's good
enough) and start talking about compliance to recognized standards. We
can start with the UK standard named Cyber Essentials, which is required
for all organizations that need to deal with the UK government. The
standard itself is available at https://www.ncsc.gov.uk/files/Cyber-
Essentials-Requirements-for-Infrastructure-v3-0-January-2022.pdf

It has the following testable requirements related to technical
controls:

* Firewalls - we can check that the firewall is installed and configured
to "block unauthenticated inbound connections by default".

* Secure configuration - this also includes removing unneeded or unused
services (and this means that it is forbidden to run the SSH server
unless there is a documented business need) and uninstalling unused
software. So we might want to display when each piece of software was
last used so that to ease the audit. Another testable requirement is
that any auto-run feature is disabled or configured to "ask". And also
there are some checkable requirements related to device unlocking.

* User access control - we could list administrative accounts. Also, if
a fingerprint reader is detected, or another form of 2FA is available,
we can list all all non-enrolled accounts as non-compliant. We can also
check if the password quality requirements are implemented and the
mandatory unsuccessful login throttling (or lock-out) policy is enforced
by PAM.

* Malware protection - with specific requirements, related to on-access
scanning of all files (including those on network shares, so sorry,
ClamAV is not compliant) and web pages. This was the reason I had to
tell one of my clients that they have to stop using Linux or stop
dealing with the UK government.

* Security update management - we can check Ubuntu-specific settings
related to the freshness of the database, whether a reboot is needed for
something to apply (e.g. are there running copies of deleted and
replaced binaries, or do they use deleted libraries), and whether the
updates are configured to install automatically.

* Backups - we can test whether they configured through known backup
applications.

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[Bug 1987162] Re: 43: New Device Security feature is confusing and unhelpful currently

2022-08-23 Thread Jeremy Bicha
At least in Ubuntu 22.10, you can also get the same information by
opening a terminal and running this command.

fwupdmgr security

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[Bug 1987162] Re: 43: New Device Security feature is confusing and unhelpful currently

2022-08-23 Thread William Dietrich
I think the whole concept of numeric security "levels" is wrong.
Instead there should be a list of threats:

- physical (address by using LUKS, disabling USB ports, locking screen
after N minutes inactivity, etc)

- bad apps (address by enabling AppArmor or SELinux etc, using Snaps or
Flatpaks, using fewer PPAs, doing updates, etc)

- OS vulns (address by doing updates)

- network attacks (address by enabling firewall on computer, enabling
firewall in router, turning off unused services, blockers in browser,
etc)

- user mistakes (address by not running as root, using immutable OS,
etc)

And I would lump in some partially-security things too:

- data loss due to hardware failure or user error (backups: suggest
TimeShift etc)

- network security/privacy attacks (suggest VPN)

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[Bug 1987162] Re: 43: New Device Security feature is confusing and unhelpful currently

2022-08-22 Thread Alex Murray
>> I don't think it's appropriate to display that in the settings app.

> I suppose that not knowing is more secure?

Yes if you consider the risk of users DoS'ing themselves by having to
potentially hack around in the CLI / BIOS settings to try and find the
right incantations to get a green check mark to appear. The status quo
is a lack of awareness - so we need to trade of the risks of showing
something which is unactionable and potentially alarming vs. keeping
things as they are. Once there is support to rectify these issues from
the GUI then I am not at all opposed to showing this information and
would welcome it. However even then, we will want to ensure this is a
robust process since we don't want to say make it easy to enable Secure
Boot and then prevent machines from booting since the user doesn't
actually run a signed kernel, or say end up having hardware devices
silently disabled on a subsequent reboot since they were previously
using unsigned modules etc. There is a lot of complexity and corner
cases here so it is prudent to be conservative in our approach IMO.

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[Bug 1987162] Re: 43: New Device Security feature is confusing and unhelpful currently

2022-08-22 Thread Launchpad Bug Tracker
This bug was fixed in the package gnome-control-center -
1:43~beta-1ubuntu2

---
gnome-control-center (1:43~beta-1ubuntu2) kinetic; urgency=medium

  * Add patch to disable the new Device Security panel (LP: #1987162)

 -- Jeremy Bicha   Mon, 22 Aug 2022 10:09:25 -0400

** Changed in: gnome-control-center (Ubuntu)
   Status: Fix Committed => Fix Released

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[Bug 1987162] Re: 43: New Device Security feature is confusing and unhelpful currently

2022-08-22 Thread Richard Hughes
> If regular users can't easily fix the issues listed in there

You can fix some, but they do currently require the user to open up the
system firmware settings. You need the latest (git master) version of
fwupd installed to get the [translated] long descriptions of each
hardware security problem.

>, from the GUI itself

We are working on that, although this is only going to work on Lenovo
and Dell laptops.

> I don't think it's appropriate to display that in the settings app.

I suppose that not knowing is more secure?

> Yes, we can go ahead and hide this feature now for Ubuntu 22.10

It's literally your choice, but some of these are critical security
issues.

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[Bug 1987162] Re: 43: New Device Security feature is confusing and unhelpful currently

2022-08-22 Thread Jeremy Bicha
** Changed in: gnome-control-center (Ubuntu)
   Status: Triaged => Fix Committed

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[Bug 1987162] Re: 43: New Device Security feature is confusing and unhelpful currently

2022-08-22 Thread Marc Deslauriers
Another issue to consider here is that there is no secure way to display
the information in the first place. If some of those settings are
disabled, malware can simply modify the app to display a green checkbox
next to Level 3, leading to a false sense of security.

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[Bug 1987162] Re: 43: New Device Security feature is confusing and unhelpful currently

2022-08-22 Thread Jeremy Bicha
The feature was also discussed at

https://blogs.gnome.org/hughsie/2022/07/29/emulated-host-profiles-in-
fwupd/

Yes, we can go ahead and hide this feature now for Ubuntu 22.10. I
wanted to have a few other people see the current state of the feature
before we disabled it. Perhaps it will be more usable in a future
release.

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[Bug 1987162] Re: 43: New Device Security feature is confusing and unhelpful currently

2022-08-22 Thread Sebastien Bacher
Sharing some references, the panel was added as part of

https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gnome-control-center/-/issues/1570

the intend from the design seems that the items description include a
suggestion of how problems could be resolved.

there are some report about improving the UI as
https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gnome-control-center/-/issues/1938

disabling for now if we think the UI is more likely to confuse users
seems fine though

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[Bug 1987162] Re: 43: New Device Security feature is confusing and unhelpful currently

2022-08-21 Thread Alex Murray
Indeed - I don't think it is useful to have such information displayed
prominently when there is nothing that user's can do to affect this (in
general) and so this will only cause alarm. Like Marc said, it is then
not useful to display this without offering actionable tasks that a user
an perform to increase their security, since then as jbicha suggested,
some users will likely try and manually workaround these findings to
'increase' their security and potentially break their systems.

Whilst it is commendable that GNOME is trying to perhaps raise security
awareness for users, doing this in a way where users don't really have
any control over the results is likely to cause more harm than good.

So I agree, this should not be part of the standard gnome-control-center
at this stage for Ubuntu.

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[Bug 1987162] Re: 43: New Device Security feature is confusing and unhelpful currently

2022-08-20 Thread Jeremy Bicha
** Description changed:

  GNOME 43 added a new Device Security feature in the Settings app.
  
- You can access it in gnome-control-center 43~beta-1ubuntu1 by
+ You can access it in gnome-control-center 1:43~beta-1ubuntu1
  1. Open the Settings app
  2. Click Privacy then Device Security
  
  The Security Events aren't clickable.
  
  A default Ubuntu install only gets us "Security Level 1". The highest
  level is "Security Level 3".
  
  There isn't anything an Ubuntu user can do to get to a higher security
  level from the Device Security screen.
  
  If a user attempts to get their system to a higher security level, I
  think they could break their system since this isn't something we
  currently support.
  
  Therefore, I think we ought to hide/disable the screen for Ubuntu 22.10.
  We can work towards better integrating this screen for Ubuntu in future
  releases.
  
  I'm attaching several screenshots although it's worth trying out the
  feature for yourself too.

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[Bug 1987162] Re: 43: New Device Security feature is confusing and unhelpful currently

2022-08-20 Thread Marc Deslauriers
I don't understand not only why those advanced features would be exposed
in a GUI, but why ordinary users would care at all about most of those
settings.

If we're going to expose "security information" to users, we should
probably start by showing basic stuff, like if they are properly getting
security updates, if remote login via ssh is turned on with passwords
instead of certificates, whether they are using disk encryption or not,
etc.

If regular users can't easily fix the issues listed in there, from the
GUI itself, I don't think it's appropriate to display that in the
settings app.

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[Bug 1987162] Re: 43: New Device Security feature is confusing and unhelpful currently

2022-08-20 Thread Jeremy Bicha
** Attachment added: "Screenshot from 2022-08-20 08-08-59.png"
   
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** Changed in: gnome-control-center (Ubuntu)
   Status: New => Triaged

** Changed in: gnome-control-center (Ubuntu)
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[Bug 1987162] Re: 43: New Device Security feature is confusing and unhelpful currently

2022-08-20 Thread Jeremy Bicha
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[Bug 1987162] Re: 43: New Device Security feature is confusing and unhelpful currently

2022-08-20 Thread Jeremy Bicha
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[Bug 1987162] Re: 43: New Device Security feature is confusing and unhelpful currently

2022-08-20 Thread Jeremy Bicha
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[Bug 1987162] Re: 43: New Device Security feature is confusing and unhelpful currently

2022-08-20 Thread Jeremy Bicha
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[Bug 1987162] Re: 43: New Device Security feature is confusing and unhelpful currently

2022-08-20 Thread Jeremy Bicha
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[Bug 1987162] Re: 43: New Device Security feature is confusing and unhelpful currently

2022-08-20 Thread Jeremy Bicha
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