[Bug 310353] Re: Default font size too large if using native DPI
** Changed in: gnome-control-center (Ubuntu) Status: Triaged = Invalid -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to libgnome in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/310353 Title: Default font size too large if using native DPI To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-control-center/+bug/310353/+subscriptions -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 310353] Re: Default font size too large if using native DPI
** Changed in: gnome-control-center (Ubuntu) Assignee: Canonical Desktop Team (canonical-desktop-team) = (unassigned) -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to gnome-control-center in ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/310353 Title: Default font size too large if using native DPI -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 310353] Re: Default font size too large if using native DPI
** Changed in: gnome-control-center (Ubuntu Jaunty) Milestone: ubuntu-9.04 = None ** Changed in: gnome-control-center (Ubuntu) Status: In Progress = Triaged ** Changed in: libgnome (Ubuntu) Status: Confirmed = Invalid ** Changed in: gnome-control-center (Ubuntu Jaunty) Assignee: Alexander Sack (asac) = (unassigned) ** Changed in: gnome-control-center (Ubuntu) Assignee: Alexander Sack (asac) = Canonical Desktop Team (canonical-desktop-team) -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to libgnome in ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/310353 Title: Default font size too large if using native DPI -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 310353] Re: Default font size too large if using native DPI
The title of this bug should be reworded. I have a 44 DPI 50 1080 HDTV running lucid and there are some fonts so small it's crippling. Specifically in Log File Viewer, and the terminal output in Synaptic Package Manager. I have fixed Log File Viewer by manually changing some of the font sizes in /var/lib/gconf/defaults /%gconf-tree.xml, but this is not something a normal person will want to do, and the terminal output in Synaptic Package Manager is still exceedingly small. Gnome's Appearance font settings do not allow me to go any lower than 50. Setting the /desktop/gnome/font_rendering/dpi gconf key to 44 has really done wonders for display quality except it seems certain sudo'd processes are not aware of the changes I've made in font settings. I know 44 DPI is very low for today's desktop monitors and such, but it makes for an excellent big screen TV. Shouldn't I be able to set this to 44 if that's what my monitor has? If a monitor is not correctly detected by X there should be a user alert/simple DPI config. Having the correct DPI should not be for advanced users or only those who've got correctly detected monitors. Lowering the default for the lowest DPI setting would be a good: http://git.gnome.org/cgit/gnome-settings-daemon/tree/plugins/xsettings /gsd-xsettings-manager.c /* X servers sometimes lie about the screen's physical dimensions, so we cannot * compute an accurate DPI value. When this happens, the user gets fonts that * are too huge or too tiny. So, we see what the server returns: if it reports * something outside of the range [DPI_LOW_REASONABLE_VALUE, * DPI_HIGH_REASONABLE_VALUE], then we assume that it is lying and we use * DPI_FALLBACK instead. * * See get_dpi_from_gconf_or_server() below, and also * https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=217790 */ #define DPI_FALLBACK 96 #define DPI_LOW_REASONABLE_VALUE 50 #define DPI_HIGH_REASONABLE_VALUE 500 I just noticed that Ubuntu Software Center also ends up with extremely small fonts in the main viewing area while viewing application details and at the beginning with the icons. Thank you very much/I don't mean to complain. :-) ** Bug watch added: Novell/SUSE Bugzilla #217790 https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=217790 -- Default font size too large if using native DPI https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/310353 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to libgnome in ubuntu. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 310353] Re: Default font size too large if using native DPI
** Branch linked: lp:ubuntu/libgnome -- Default font size too large if using native DPI https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/310353 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to libgnome in ubuntu. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 310353] Re: Default font size too large if using native DPI
While this bug does seem to affect some UNR users, it does not seem that it is specific to UNR, so I'm removing the ubuntu-unr tag for the time being. If anyone feels like it is specifically a UNR related bug, please feel free to explain further and re-add the tag. ** Tags removed: ubuntu-unr -- Default font size too large if using native DPI https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/310353 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to libgnome in ubuntu. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
Re: [Bug 310353] Re: Default font size too large if using native DPI
On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 11:12:43AM -, Endolith wrote: 10 without any unit is supposed to mean point unit. Well, according to that article it doesn't necessarily have any meaningful units. Not sure where you read that. I worked quite a lot on the code surounding this, and with any units is point On my screen, with 128 pixels per inch, the 8 setting is pretty good. If I create monospace text in Firefox at 8pt or the equivalent 14.2px, it is the same size as text in Gedit. Right. So no unit == point ;). - Alexander -- Default font size too large if using native DPI https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/310353 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to libgnome in ubuntu. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 310353] Re: Default font size too large if using native DPI
Not sure where you read that. From the link I posted. http://www.gnome.org/~federico/news-2007-01.html#font-sizes Right. So no unit == point ;). It does seem that way. :) -- Default font size too large if using native DPI https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/310353 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to libgnome in ubuntu. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
Re: [Bug 310353] Re: Default font size too large if using native DPI
On Sat, Jun 27, 2009 at 02:47:06PM -, Endolith wrote: Note that 10 is arbitrary and doesn't mean 10px or 10pt or anything meaningful like that. 10 without any unit is supposed to mean point unit. is 13.333px better for your unit? - Alexander -- Default font size too large if using native DPI https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/310353 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to libgnome in ubuntu. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 310353] Re: Default font size too large if using native DPI
10 without any unit is supposed to mean point unit. Well, according to that article it doesn't necessarily have any meaningful units. is 13.333px better for your unit? I'm not sure what this is asking. I think it would be better if it the font settings showed point units instead of being a meaningless number, and I think point units would be better than px units. On my screen, with 128 pixels per inch, the 8 setting is pretty good. If I create monospace text in Firefox at 8pt or the equivalent 14.2px, it is the same size as text in Gedit. -- Default font size too large if using native DPI https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/310353 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to libgnome in ubuntu. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 310353] Re: Default font size too large if using native DPI
For some reason my DPI was set as 96 in Gnome Appearance settings, which is totally wrong. After changing it to the correct 128 DPI (which I measured and which I get from xdpyinfo | grep resolution, the fonts at 10 are way too big. I set them all to 8, and it seems to be about right for a laptop. Note that 10 is arbitrary and doesn't mean 10px or 10pt or anything meaningful like that. http://www.gnome.org/~federico/news-2007-01.html#font-sizes -- Default font size too large if using native DPI https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/310353 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to libgnome in ubuntu. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 310353] Re: Default font size too large if using native DPI
Guys, this fix was *reverted* so Ubuntu is still forcing DPI to 96 DPI by default instead of using the auto-detected value. Until that fix is reinstated, this bug is not really relevant. We are basically waiting for all the issues reported in bug #345189 to be fixed, which will allow fixing #157398, and then hopefully this one as well. :) -- Default font size too large if using native DPI https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/310353 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to libgnome in ubuntu. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 310353] Re: Default font size too large if using native DPI
I am experiencing something related to this bug (specifically Alexander Sack's wontfix in #43) using UNR Karmic Alpha 2 on an Acer Aspire One. The screen resolution is about 134 dpi, but fonts are rendered by default at 96 dpi: $ xdpyinfo | grep resolution resolution:133x135 dots per inch $ gconftool-2 --get /desktop/gnome/font_rendering/dpi 96 ...the result is headache-inducing on the very small (~9 diagonal) screen. Setting 134 dpi manually is much better. UI elements *do* eat up a lot more screen real estate, but I personally much prefer that to squinting at the screen or having to lean very close to it. I don't know what the proper thing to do is, so I will add the 'karmic' and 'ubuntu-unr' tags; if I should report a separate bug, please let me know. ** Tags added: karmic ubuntu-unr -- Default font size too large if using native DPI https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/310353 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to libgnome in ubuntu. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 310353] Re: Default font size too large if using native DPI
Alexander, I think this bug is connected with https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-control- center/+bug/157398 It seems that your fix made gnome's behaviour more inconsistent than necessary (as described in the last commets on LP#157398) ... could you consider just reverting the fix from LP#157398 (instead of harcoding it somewhere else)? Thanks -- Default font size too large if using native DPI https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/310353 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to libgnome in ubuntu. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 310353] Re: Default font size too large if using native DPI
** Changed in: gnome-control-center (Ubuntu) Importance: High = Medium ** Changed in: gnome-control-center (Ubuntu) Milestone: ubuntu-9.04 = None -- Default font size too large if using native DPI https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/310353 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to libgnome in ubuntu. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 310353] Re: Default font size too large if using native DPI
I am seeing different behavior on two different systems. On my system at home, my font sizes are normal, but at work, my terminals are much larger than they had previously been (and too large for the screen in my opinion). How can I go about diagnosing the problem? -- Default font size too large if using native DPI https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/310353 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to libgnome in ubuntu. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 310353] Re: Default font size too large if using native DPI
we don't use native DPI for jaunty anymore because of the regressions you can see in bug 345189. ** Changed in: libgnome (Ubuntu Jaunty) Status: Confirmed = Won't Fix ** Changed in: gnome-control-center (Ubuntu Jaunty) Status: In Progress = Won't Fix -- Default font size too large if using native DPI https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/310353 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to libgnome in ubuntu. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 310353] Re: Default font size too large if using native DPI
could users there stick to fact and try not using angry tone or suggesting that those who did the changes are doing stupid thing, the value augmented but the unit changed too so it's not as obvious as you seem to think it is and the change has been working fine for several users, there is just some buggy applications which need to be update too and some corner cases to consider -- Default font size too large if using native DPI https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/310353 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to libgnome in ubuntu. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 310353] Re: Default font size too large if using native DPI
My fonts were way too big in Nautilus, Brasero buttons, etc yesterday. I am using a 15 wide screen LCD with a resolution of 1366 x 768. I changed all of the font settings to 10 and everything looks fine again. Here is a post from the forum on this problem. http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1101003 I can see that the importance for this bug now is High and I am sure it will be resolved in plenty of time for the final release. -- Default font size too large if using native DPI https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/310353 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to libgnome in ubuntu. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 310353] Re: Default font size too large if using native DPI
I am sorry if my tone was angry but there really is more then just some buggy applications that is affected by this. Almost every gnomeapplication is affected, is all of them buggy? However I wish you the best of luck in solving this bug, e.g make the fontsize as it was before or smaller. -- Default font size too large if using native DPI https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/310353 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to libgnome in ubuntu. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 310353] Re: Default font size too large if using native DPI
Please remember that attaching screenshots to show problems with the default font size is almost uselessly misleading, since anyone with a different DPI would view the screenshot at their own DPI rather than yours. Rick, changing Gnome's font settings to use pixels would not make it transparent to the user, because it would mean either (a) the visible numbers would fluctuate depending on what computer you'd logged in to (and often display awkward values like 13.333), or (b) Gnome would no longer scale to the DPI at all, which would put Ubuntu at a serious disadvantage when proprietary competitors start using 150dpi displays routinely. (Web browsers use pixel-based preferences for arcane reasons that made a lot of sense in 1999 but that are making steadily less sense over time. They'll probably switch to points a few years after OSes do.) -- Default font size too large if using native DPI https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/310353 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to libgnome in ubuntu. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 310353] Re: Default font size too large if using native DPI
Just for the record, places in a fresh (as of yesterday's daily) Jaunty install that fonts appear too large to me: - Nautilus - Window titles - Policykit/gksudo prompts (titles appear quite huge here This on a Macbook 5.1 (Aluminium, late 2008) ** Attachment added: xdpyinfo http://launchpadlibrarian.net/24144910/xdpyinfo -- Default font size too large if using native DPI https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/310353 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to libgnome in ubuntu. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 310353] Re: Default font size too large if using native DPI
Look for example at Virtual Box or at Skype or even at people's statueses in Pidgin and see for yourself what you did by changing from 10 to 13.333 with default font size. This is just hilarious. I also use Ubuntu as a guest OS in Virtual Box and having to make it fullscreen to be able to just use terminal is very inconvenient. The only app that looks better for me with new font size is Open Office. I don't mind going back to 10 in OO though. For me 10 was the right choice for the size of the current font. -- Default font size too large if using native DPI https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/310353 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to libgnome in ubuntu. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 310353] Re: Default font size too large if using native DPI
This is clearly not the way to go. ** Changed in: libgnome (Ubuntu Jaunty) Status: Fix Released = Confirmed -- Default font size too large if using native DPI https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/310353 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to libgnome in ubuntu. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 310353] Re: Default font size too large if using native DPI
I agree with Hermes. Look for yourself, look in Pidgin, look in Nautilus. This is what happened; This bug was about lowering the fontsize. The fontsize was instead increased to an abnormally high value, then the bug is marked as fixed? With all your respect, if you think 13.333 px is a reasonable default you should be using the Orca Magnifyer. -- Default font size too large if using native DPI https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/310353 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to libgnome in ubuntu. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 310353] Re: Default font size too large if using native DPI
This is why I got this morning very big fonts ? Bug #345189 was opened about this issue. I had to set all fonts at 10px to get something usable :( -- Default font size too large if using native DPI https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/310353 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to libgnome in ubuntu. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 310353] Re: Default font size too large if using native DPI
how does that fix this bug? the bug reporter says: default font size of 10 is too _large_ and changing it to 13.333 just makes the problem bigger... the default of 10 was usable for me, but 13 is just to big (indeed, see bug #345189) -- Default font size too large if using native DPI https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/310353 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to libgnome in ubuntu. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 310353] Re: Default font size too large if using native DPI
Actually, the more I think about it, the more I'm convinced that the actual issue here is that there is a bug somewhere that is making pt fonts get dpi-adjusted _twice_, and px fonts are being dpi-adjusted once. -- Default font size too large if using native DPI https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/310353 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to gnome-control-center in ubuntu. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 310353] Re: Default font size too large if using native DPI
one part of this bug is supposed to be using 13.333px as the defaults - shipped in libgnome2-common. ** Also affects: libgnome (Ubuntu) Importance: Undecided Status: New ** Changed in: libgnome (Ubuntu Jaunty) Importance: Undecided = High Status: New = Triaged -- Default font size too large if using native DPI https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/310353 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to libgnome in ubuntu. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 310353] Re: Default font size too large if using native DPI
This bug was fixed in the package libgnome - 2.25.1-0ubuntu2 --- libgnome (2.25.1-0ubuntu2) jaunty; urgency=low * debian/libgnome2-common.gconf-defaults: use 13.333px as the default fontsize used in font_name, document_font_name and monospace_font_name - LP: #310353 -- Alexander Sack a...@ubuntu.com Wed, 18 Mar 2009 20:49:42 +0100 ** Changed in: libgnome (Ubuntu Jaunty) Status: Triaged = Fix Released -- Default font size too large if using native DPI https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/310353 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to libgnome in ubuntu. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 310353] Re: Default font size too large if using native DPI
** Changed in: gnome-control-center (Ubuntu Jaunty) Target: ubuntu-9.04-beta = None ** Changed in: gnome-control-center (Ubuntu Jaunty) Target: None = ubuntu-9.04 -- Default font size too large if using native DPI https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/310353 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to libgnome in ubuntu. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 310353] Re: Default font size too large if using native DPI
To complete this bug task, the Font settings UI needs to be changed to use px instead of pt. Ideally, this will be transparent to the user. Otherwise, some way of reverting to the default font size in px will need to be added. ** Changed in: gnome-control-center (Ubuntu Jaunty) Status: New = In Progress -- Default font size too large if using native DPI https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/310353 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to libgnome in ubuntu. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 310353] Re: Default font size too large if using native DPI
the gconf defaults and values should have px suffix: e.g. Sans 13.333px this should give proper size considering dpi. -- Default font size too large if using native DPI https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/310353 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is a bug assignee. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 310353] Re: Default font size too large if using native DPI
Alexander, what you are saying would completely defeat the purpose of DPI in the first place, which is to ensure that 10pt appears exactly the same regardless of what screen you are viewing it on. The gconf defaults should absolutely not have a px suffix, as this would cause incredibly small, unreadable fonts on high-resolution displays like mine (150 dpi). -- Default font size too large if using native DPI https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/310353 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is a bug assignee. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 310353] Re: Default font size too large if using native DPI
My tests seem to show that 10pt varies with size depending on dpi (ie: 10pt on a 135dpi monitor is bigger than 10pt on a 96dpi monitor). 10px is exactly the same size on both, as it seems to be dpi-adjusted. -- Default font size too large if using native DPI https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/310353 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is a bug assignee. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 310353] Re: Default font size too large if using native DPI
** Changed in: gnome-control-center (Ubuntu Jaunty) Target: None = ubuntu-9.04-beta ** Changed in: gnome-control-center (Ubuntu Jaunty) Assignee: Ubuntu Desktop Bugs (desktop-bugs) = Alexander Sack (asac) -- Default font size too large if using native DPI https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/310353 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to gnome-control-center in ubuntu. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 310353] Re: Default font size too large if using native DPI
** Changed in: gnome-control-center (Ubuntu Jaunty) Importance: Wishlist = High -- Default font size too large if using native DPI https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/310353 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to gnome-control-center in ubuntu. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 310353] Re: Default font size too large if using native DPI
After discussing this heavily, it seems that something in GNOME has px and pt exactly reversed. 1 pt = 1/72 inch, i. e. a 10 pt font should have the same physical ruler height *everywhere*, whereas a 10 px font has 10 physical dots on the monitor and thus its size is dependant on the monitor's DPI resolution. Fonts should not be the same physical size everywhere; by default they ought to be bigger on big screens than on small ones. Thus I agree that 13.333 px is a reasonable default, at least for standard monitors (mobile phone screens are something different, since they usually have much fewer pixels). -- Default font size too large if using native DPI https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/310353 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to gnome-control-center in ubuntu. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 310353] Re: Default font size too large if using native DPI
From what I heard in the desktop meeting and from what Marc mentions it sounds like the Gnome font dialog isn't actually using pts but something else entirely. This probably can't be fixed properly for Jaunty but long term it should be using pts and using them properly being 1 pt == 1/72 and should be the same physical size on all displays with DPI set correctly. Otherwise what was the point in setting DPI correctly to begin with? Now the bit about font sizes being different for different classes of display is a real issue and should be addressed at some point. There are at least 3 classes of displays, laptops, hdtvs, and regular desktop monitors. The 3 classes exist due to differences in dpi and viewing distance from the screen, both of which affect the usable font size range. laptops typically have much higher DPI (~ 100-150dpi) than desktop monitors (~ 80-100dpi) which in turn have much higher DPI than HDTVs (~ 30-80dpi). You sit closer to laptops than either other class of display as well. Also since HDTVs DPI is so low you have to have a larger size font just be able to have enough pixels in the font to be usable. -- Default font size too large if using native DPI https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/310353 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to gnome-control-center in ubuntu. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 310353] Re: Default font size too large if using native DPI
To make the above point completely clear. If you consider 8 pixels to be smallest displayable font size, it is probably something close to this anyway. Then you end up with the smallest displayable pt size fonts as: laptop 150 dpi - 4 pt desktop 100 dpi - 6 pt hdtv 30 dpi - 20 pt This does not even take into account the factor of is it readable by the majority of users, but just plain being able to render the font properly at all. However, as you can see there is clearly no universal correct font size for all use cases... -- Default font size too large if using native DPI https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/310353 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to gnome-control-center in ubuntu. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 310353] Re: Default font size too large if using native DPI
Unfortunately, this makes Jaunty uninstallable/unusable for netbooks, as most of the dialog boxes won't have the bottom buttons fit in the screen area. -- Default font size too large if using native DPI https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/310353 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to gnome-control-center in ubuntu. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 310353] Re: Default font size too large if using native DPI
I've tried the alpha 5 livecd in a 1280x800 15.4 laptop, and in my 1440x900 14.1 laptop. The fonts are rendered in a really different way!!! Here are 2 photos for comparison. the 1280x800 looks good, while 1440x900 looks BOLD! ** Attachment added: 1280x1024_15.4.JPG http://launchpadlibrarian.net/23227153/1280x1024_15.4.JPG -- Default font size too large if using native DPI https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/310353 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is a bug assignee. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 310353] Re: Default font size too large if using native DPI
** Attachment added: 1440x900_14.JPG http://launchpadlibrarian.net/23227175/1440x900_14.JPG -- Default font size too large if using native DPI https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/310353 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is a bug assignee. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 310353] Re: Default font size too large if using native DPI
Similar issues on my system. ** Attachment added: 15.4 1920x1200 147 DPI http://launchpadlibrarian.net/23230352/Screenshot.png -- Default font size too large if using native DPI https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/310353 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is a bug assignee. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 310353] Re: Default font size too large if using native DPI
** Attachment added: bold font.jpg http://launchpadlibrarian.net/23230847/bold%20font.jpg -- Default font size too large if using native DPI https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/310353 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is a bug assignee. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 310353] Re: Default font size too large if using native DPI
Nicolò, the DPI is probably correct (you can measure it yourself to be sure). The problem is that all the default fonts in Ubuntu are way too big, because previously everyone defaulted to 96 DPI. That is why I filed this bug, and I am re-opening it now that bug #157398 is fixed in Jaunty. ** Changed in: gnome-control-center (Ubuntu) Status: Invalid = New -- Default font size too large if using native DPI https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/310353 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is a bug assignee. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 310353] Re: Default font size too large if using native DPI
Nicolo there is no discussion on the mailing list that I know, I was encouraging people who want to discuss that to open one -- Default font size too large if using native DPI https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/310353 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is a bug assignee. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
Re: [Bug 310353] Re: Default font size too large if using native DPI
Oh! I will open a new discussion in ubuntu-devel-discuss. Is this ok? -- Default font size too large if using native DPI https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/310353 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is a bug assignee. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 310353] Re: Default font size too large if using native DPI
** Attachment added: 10pt.jpg http://launchpadlibrarian.net/23152448/10pt.jpg -- Default font size too large if using native DPI https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/310353 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is a bug assignee. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 310353] Re: Default font size too large if using native DPI
** Attachment removed: 121dpi.png http://launchpadlibrarian.net/23151323/121dpi.png ** Attachment added: 8pt.jpg http://launchpadlibrarian.net/23152437/8pt.jpg -- Default font size too large if using native DPI https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/310353 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is a bug assignee. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 310353] Re: Default font size too large if using native DPI
why would changing the font setting be correct? on a screen which has 96 dpi the font would be smaller after upgrade for no reason -- Default font size too large if using native DPI https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/310353 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is a bug assignee. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 310353] Re: Default font size too large if using native DPI
Nicolo yes that's the appropriate list -- Default font size too large if using native DPI https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/310353 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is a bug assignee. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
Re: [Bug 310353] Re: Default font size too large if using native DPI
Well, isn't the DPI setting supposed to make fonts the same size on all displays? -- Default font size too large if using native DPI https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/310353 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is a bug assignee. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 310353] Re: Default font size too large if using native DPI
Exactly, Nicolò. Sebastien, would changing the default font size really affect anyone after upgrading? If they already have specified custom fonts, I certainly don't think they should be overridden upon upgrading. It should only affect new users. It's true that the fonts would be smaller for people using 96 dpi displays, and maybe there is a better solution, but I do believe (as Nicolò's screenshots demonstrate) that 10pt is too large when rendered accurately. Personally, I believe the DPI setting should only be changable via xorg.conf/HAL (for advanced users) and there should be a general UI Scale option for users who simply want things to look bigger or visually impaired, etc. that would scale all UI elements. This is way beyond the scope of this particular bug, though. -- Default font size too large if using native DPI https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/310353 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is a bug assignee. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 310353] Re: Default font size too large if using native DPI
Thanks for the bug report. This particular bug has already been reported, but feel free to report any other bugs you find. ** Changed in: gnome-control-center (Ubuntu) Assignee: (unassigned) = Ubuntu Desktop Bugs (desktop-bugs) Status: New = Invalid -- Default font size too large if using native DPI https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/310353 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is a bug assignee. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 310353] Re: Default font size too large if using native DPI
The issue is similar to bug #157398 and due to the wrong dpi value -- Default font size too large if using native DPI https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/310353 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is a bug assignee. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 310353] Re: Default font size too large if using native DPI
note that such issues should be discussed on mailing list and not on the bug tracker, there is not many users reading the bugs and the lists are better to discuss such changes -- Default font size too large if using native DPI https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/310353 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is a bug assignee. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 310353] Re: Default font size too large if using native DPI
I don't think the Brainstorm idea was taking into account the use of accurate DPI settings. When running 96dpi on a 85 dpi monitor, I'm sure the font size is fine, if not too small. But when running 96dpi on a 150 dpi monitor, the font is way too big. My argument was that when running the same DPI as the monitor itself, which will produce same- sized fonts on all monitors, the font is still too big. I imagine most of the people voting for that Brainstorm Idea--and most average users in general--aren't even aware of the DPI problem in Ubuntu/GNOME. ** Summary changed: - Default font size too large + Default font size too large if using native DPI -- Default font size too large if using native DPI https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/310353 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to gnome-control-center in ubuntu. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
