The thing is that the user models are very different. If a sticky notes
user is accustomed to always seeing his notes on his desktop, all at the
same time, if after an upgrade his notes are locked away in a menu with
no easy way to get them all to display again, he might be confused and
[snip]
So, I spent two hours reading every email sent in April, May and July
about including Mono as an official part of the GNOME platform
That hasn't been proposed, as far as I know. It's been proposed for the
Platform Bindings.
[snip]
Murray Cumming
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
www.murrayc.com
On Mon, 2006-07-17 at 07:55 +0200, David Nielsen wrote:
søn, 16 07 2006 kl. 23:33 -0500, skrev Jason D. Clinton:
While you provided a fine run down of arguments, I believe you forgot a
vital one, Mono can be optimized, we can cut down ressource consumption,
we can indeed do better - we
Which makes me wonder why we are able to bless some applications and
not others. The point of blessing the application is saying that this
application meets the gnome standards for X,Y and Z and has a release
shedule that coincides with the gnome platform release.
And that people will work
Hi,
James Henstridge wrote:
On 16/07/06, David Neary [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Can you tell me how? The little feed icon's gone, and I couldn't find an
rss action.
Still seems available as here:
http://live.gnome.org/RecentChanges?action=rss_rc
There is a comment at the top of that
The lovely smell of programming environment flame wars!
Part one
As the developer of an application that has an extremely high focus on
reduced memory consumption and as the author of a patch for Camel that
reduced Evolutions memory footprint with ~40 MB (maybe more, but that
number I'm
On 7/17/06, Murray Cumming [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Which makes me wonder why we are able to bless some applications and
not others. The point of blessing the application is saying that this
application meets the gnome standards for X,Y and Z and has a release
shedule that coincides with
On 7/17/06, Murray Cumming [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Which makes me wonder why we are able to bless some applications and
not others. The point of blessing the application is saying that this
application meets the gnome standards for X,Y and Z and has a release
shedule that coincides
On Sun, 2006-07-16 at 18:57 +0200, Lluis Sanchez wrote:
Hey LLuis, I very much agree with your point of view. And I thank you
again and again and again for MonoDevelop. You should be extremely proud
of your work.
As a developer who is *very* worried about memory consumption of mobile
Hi,
Murray Cumming wrote:
The desktop includes stuff that everything (apart from very tightly
focused embedded stuff) needs. Vendors who don't need some part of the
desktop usually don't want any part of it. So, it's just a base that
isn't yet a development platform.
You're saying this as
Hi,
On Mon, 2006-07-17 at 10:57 +0200, Philip Van Hoof wrote:
Please do not reply to this message on the mailing list.
Please don't pontificate. Your holier-than-thou tone is tiring.
--
Andy Wingo
http://wingolog.org/
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desktop-devel-list mailing
Hi Lennart,
I think there's come confusion about the libnss implementations...
Lennart Poettering wrote:
On Fri, 14.07.06 14:56, Darren Kenny ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
An example that effected us in Sun recently is Avahi - Avahi is excellent
work
and a good implementation of the Zeroconf
Murray Cumming wrote:
As for bringing in new functionality and allowing varied focus, I still
think this could be done with additional release sets such as
- Productivity:
Spreadsheets, Word processing, Slides, Databases, Publishing.
- Creativity:
Photos, Graphics, Drawing, Video- and
* Bare bones
Do we take the current core module list, or should we strip it down to
move, say, Vino to a sysadmin bundle with Pessulus and Sabayon? It would
be helpful to have a full and complete list of all the applications
which are currently part of the core desktop. It would also help to
Thanks Jason for the summary.
I was on the Board during an Advisory Board meeting where the
higher-level languages issues came to the fore. I think there may be a
common misunderstanding or two about the python/mono issues which ought
to be pointed out.
* Pro-Mono people are arguing:
On Sat, 2006-07-15 at 09:59 +0300, Kalle Vahlman wrote:
And you are exactly right that for People, we only should market one
language. The one they want to use.
Then it surely should be:
GNOME does cool stuff AND has support for YOUR language.
(but of course that is just one little thing)
On Sun, 2006-07-16 at 18:47 +0100, Calum Benson wrote:
On 16 Jul 2006, at 17:57, Lluis Sanchez wrote:
It's not so important which applications do gnome include, since
distros
can take this decision, depending on the specific target of the
distro.
Up to a point... although a
On Jul 18, 2006, at 12:09 AM, Nigel Tao wrote:
...
I remember that, some handfuls of months ago, Jeff Waugh [1] proposed
a Power User Tools suite outside of the traditional Platform /
Bindings / Desktop (/ Admin). IIRC he was musing about things like
Brightside and Devil's Pie, but one
quote who=Dave Neary
So, my employer has thoughtfully (and unknowingly) donated an hour of my
time to this: http://live.gnome.org/ReleaseSets - it includes the power
users set suggested above.
Suites
First impression: Too much, too fast, and in many cases ill-defined given
the lengthy
Jason D. Clinton me at jasonclinton.com writes:
* Lots of cool applications and innovations are happening
in the Mono camp. There's apps. like F-Spot, Tomboy,
Beagle, and Banshee being written way faster than they
could be in C.
On Fri, 2006-07-14 at 09:58 +0200, Jan de Groot wrote:
On Fri, 2006-07-14 at 08:32 +0200, Murray Cumming wrote:
And while there were almost no objections to Python, there are clearly
many objections to Mono.
I used to have objections against the python bindings, but after those
got
On Mon, 2006-07-17 at 10:12 -0400, JP Rosevear wrote:
This is really just a packaging issue, on opensuse/SLED they are all
individual packages (glib-sharp, gtk-sharp, etc).
Not taking a side but I would like to point out that they are also
separately packaged on Ubuntu and Debian-based distros.
On Mon, 2006-07-17 at 13:48 +, Hubert Figuiere wrote:
For those who don't believe me, have a look at your friends of KDE. They
produce
a huge amount of application written in C++ with Qt and sometime it looks like
Gnome is really lagging behind. Too bad for us, we have a very good C++
On Mon, 2006-07-17 at 10:33 +0200, Andy Wingo wrote:
On Sun, 2006-07-16 at 23:33 -0500, Jason D. Clinton wrote:
Anti-Mono folks generally [...] think
that high level languages should only be used for
prototyping (the benefits of RAD don't outweigh the
cons).
Some people have said this,
On Mon, 2006-07-17 at 08:23 +0200, Murray Cumming wrote:
[snip]
So, I spent two hours reading every email sent in April, May and July
about including Mono as an official part of the GNOME platform
That hasn't been proposed, as far as I know. It's been proposed for the
Platform Bindings.
On Mon, 2006-07-17 at 07:55 +0200, David Nielsen wrote:
søn, 16 07 2006 kl. 23:33 -0500, skrev Jason D. Clinton:
While you provided a fine run down of arguments, I believe you forgot a
vital one, Mono can be optimized, we can cut down ressource consumption,
we can indeed do better - we
On Mon, 2006-07-17 at 08:23 +0200, Murray Cumming wrote:
[snip]
So, I spent two hours reading every email sent in April, May and July
about including Mono as an official part of the GNOME platform
That hasn't been proposed, as far as I know. It's been proposed for the
Platform Bindings.
On 07/14/06 Jamie McCracken wrote:
Every compacting GC automatically doubles memory use - you have two
managed heaps ergo twice the RAM required. If you copy MS and go for a
three generation one then you risk trebling memory use over using a
non-compacting one.
This info is completely
Hi,
Jeff Waugh wrote:
First impression: Too much, too fast, and in many cases ill-defined given
the lengthy discussions we've had about where to take the definition of the
release suites over the last few years.
Like I said, first draft, and we definitely need someone better with
names than
quote who=Dave Neary
Jeff Waugh wrote:
First impression: Too much, too fast, and in many cases ill-defined
given the lengthy discussions we've had about where to take the
definition of the release suites over the last few years.
Like I said, first draft, and we definitely need someone
Murray Cumming wrote:
The word desktop is like a cancer. Its problems include:
- it's vague as hell
[snip]
The desktop includes stuff that everything (apart from very tightly
focused embedded stuff) needs. Vendors who don't need some part of the
desktop usually don't want any part of it.
On Mon, 2006-07-17 at 16:32 +0200, Murray Cumming wrote:
I don't have concerns about this that need addressing. Gtk# has simply not
been proposed for the Developer Platform during GNOME 2.15/2.16.
So, I am seeking clarification, not trying to start something ... Are
you saying that Tomboy
Dave Neary wrote:
So, my employer has thoughtfully (and unknowingly) donated an hour of my
time to this: http://live.gnome.org/ReleaseSets - it includes the power
users set suggested above.
My take: this subdivides GNOME's existing audiences (sort of - it's
partly an audience split and
quote who=Havoc Pennington
There's also Windows apps, embedded (focused?) devices, online services,
all kinds of stuff that could serve the goal of bringing an open source
computing platform to the general public.
If you were at GUADEC you would've heard about some interesting action in
this
Le lundi 17 juillet 2006, à 10:12, JP Rosevear a écrit :
On Fri, 2006-07-14 at 09:58 +0200, Jan de Groot wrote:
On Fri, 2006-07-14 at 08:32 +0200, Murray Cumming wrote:
And while there were almost no objections to Python, there are clearly
many objections to Mono.
I used to have
Jeff Waugh wrote:
quote who=Havoc Pennington
There's also Windows apps, embedded (focused?) devices, online services,
all kinds of stuff that could serve the goal of bringing an open source
computing platform to the general public.
If you were at GUADEC you would've heard about some
quote who=Vincent Untz
But we'll obviously need to change the way we release GNOME too...
Not significantly so... I really warn against this - no throwing babies out
with the bathwater!
- Jeff
--
linux.conf.au 2007: Sydney, Australia http://lca2007.linux.org.au/
You put on the
Le mardi 18 juillet 2006, à 00:02, Jeff Waugh a écrit :
quote who=Jeff Waugh
Suites
First impression
Additionally, if I ever hear the word core or the phrase loosely based on
the KDE idea of meta-packages applied to GNOME release management issues, I
will go absolutely fucking
Iain * wrote:
Once again, who are we targetting with the desktop. Apple know who
they're targetting, which is probably why text editor and terminal are
not high on the list of features.
I thought we were targeting a desktop platform for ISV to integrate it?
In that case it make sense to
Jeff Waugh wrote:
quote who=Vincent Untz
But we'll obviously need to change the way we release GNOME too...
Not significantly so... I really warn against this - no throwing babies out
with the bathwater!
The way GNOME is released is probably pretty good for the linux
distribution GUI
quote who=Havoc Pennington
But we'll obviously need to change the way we release GNOME too...
Not significantly so... I really warn against this - no throwing babies
out with the bathwater!
The way GNOME is released is probably pretty good for the linux
distribution GUI release.
Jeff Waugh wrote:
quote who=Havoc Pennington
Or even why is GNOME sidelining things like:
- Maemo
- Elisa
- One Laptop Per Child
- ...
You make it sound active - it's not, it's passive. But that's changing.
I don't mean to imply active or not, and I'm glad to hear it's
On Mon, 2006-07-17 at 17:30 +0200, Vincent Untz wrote:
Le lundi 17 juillet 2006, à 10:12, JP Rosevear a écrit :
On Fri, 2006-07-14 at 09:58 +0200, Jan de Groot wrote:
On Fri, 2006-07-14 at 08:32 +0200, Murray Cumming wrote:
And while there were almost no objections to Python, there are
Hubert Figuiere wrote:
I thought we were targeting a desktop platform for ISV to integrate it?
In that case it make sense to provide modules.
BTW what about providing the Office suite first? Because Gnome
penetration is first into large business [1] deployment, and and
Office suite is
Murray Cumming wrote:
So why does GNOME get
so stuck on the desktop (by which we mean the
enterprisey/thinclienty/unixy desktop) and act like everything else is
some kind of distraction?
Really, lots of people are trying lots of other stuff, because people
generally share your
On Mon, 2006-07-17 at 10:12 -0400, JP Rosevear wrote:
On Fri, 2006-07-14 at 09:58 +0200, Jan de Groot wrote:
On Fri, 2006-07-14 at 08:32 +0200, Murray Cumming wrote:
And while there were almost no objections to Python, there are clearly
many objections to Mono.
I used to have
quote who=JP Rosevear
How do we deal with the tarballs on the ftp servers? (there's no
packages there). We only want the supported bindings in
http://ftp.gnome.org/pub/GNOME/bindings/2.x/2.x.y/sources/
I'm not sure where you're going, everything in gtk# should be supported,
or is there
Sankarshan Mukhopadhyay wrote:
On 7/14/06, *Jeff Waugh* [EMAIL PROTECTED]
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I have been banging on this drum in the Ubuntu community for a
while, but I
guess I haven't been banging it sufficiently loud in GNOME: Whenever
we talk
about
On Sun, 2006-07-16 at 21:26 +0200, Murray Cumming wrote:
On Sat, 2006-07-15 at 18:10 -0700, Alex Graveley wrote:
Hi Murray,
As I hinted at back in April[1], I don't think Tomboy is a blanket
replacement for sticky notes. As I said, into the abyss, a first-run
wizard for importing
On Mon, 2006-07-17 at 02:53 +0200, Steve Frécinaux wrote:
Alex Jones wrote:
Try disabling the http URI handler for GNOME.
gconf:///desktop/gnome/url-handlers/http/enabled
[...] preferred application with that URI.
I didn't know that this behaviour existed right now. Thank you for the
On Mon, 2006-07-17 at 19:42 +0100, Alex Jones wrote:
3. A favourites system, allowing you to bookmark favourite web
pages, pictures, sound files, spreadsheets, documents, web
folders (dav/ftp), etc. all *by URI*. One click should invoke
the file-open
Hubert Figuiere wrote:
C++ is not taught in university, etc[2]
This is wrong, I had a (quite deep) course of C++ this year at
university. The course was primarily focused on the inner working of C++
(VTables, inheritence, inference, etc), basically what GObject
reimplements in C ;-)
Just for
Steve Frécinaux wrote:
Alex Jones wrote:
3. A favourites system, allowing you to bookmark favourite web
pages, pictures, sound files, spreadsheets, documents, web
folders (dav/ftp), etc. all *by URI*. One click should invoke
the file-open process.
I've heard
On Tue, 18 Jul 2006, Jamie McCracken wrote:
Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2006 00:11:43 +0100
From: Jamie McCracken [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [ISO-8859-1] Steve Frécinaux [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: desktop-devel-list@gnome.org
Subject: Re: Ideas for Integrating The Document-Oriented Web into GNOME
Steve
On 7/17/06, Jason D. Clinton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Mon, 2006-07-17 at 16:32 +0200, Murray Cumming wrote:
I don't have concerns about this that need addressing. Gtk# has simply not
been proposed for the Developer Platform during GNOME 2.15/2.16.
So, I am seeking clarification, not
On 7/17/06, Dave Neary [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
* Bindings
So far, GTK# in the bindings seems pretty uncontroversial
Assuming it can satisfy the rules of the bindings release, that is.
Multiple people have pointed out that they would dislike it being
accepted in the proposed form, with it
I think using Star-Bellied Sneetches and Plain-bellied Sneetches
would work well, if you're in to the whole brevity thing.
-Alex
Jason D. Clinton wrote:
On Mon, 2006-07-17 at 10:33 +0200, Andy Wingo wrote:
On Sun, 2006-07-16 at 23:33 -0500, Jason D. Clinton wrote:
Anti-Mono folks generally
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