Elijah Newren did an initial analysis of the data. His analysis also includes
the survey questions and answers. Find it at:
http://blogs.gnome.org/newren/2009/01/03/gnome-dvcs-survey-results/
This is pretty decent analysis going on here :)
I'd like to remind people of John Carr's
On Sun, Jan 04, 2009 at 08:10:21AM -0600, Jason D. Clinton wrote:
This is pretty decent analysis going on here :)
I'd like to remind people of John Carr's recent blog post too, someone
mentioned in the survey results actually. JC has been working on bzr with
git protocol support, which
On Sun, Jan 4, 2009 at 8:51 AM, Olav Vitters o...@bkor.dhs.org wrote:
That isn't a contest. It is a survey.
Please don't read more in to my email than I intended. There's no need
to get defensive.
http://www.gnome.org/~shaunm/survey/first-picks-permutations.png It
seems to me that a lot of
Not to be hostile, but please don't accuse me of holding anything up
or being a vocal minority. I have never spoken out, posted, or blogged
about any of the DVCS decisions.
I think I said in the survey I would prefer bzr, however I didn't
really care at the time (and much less since
Anyway, I'd rather add John Carr to the sysadmin team. I plan to make a
proposal to switch GNOME to a DVCS where Git works using Johns
suggestion. Then other sysadmins[1] can suggest whatever proposal they
want. These proposals can be investigated on merit and then a one can be
chosen (chosen
On Sun, Jan 04, 2009 at 09:40:33AM -0600, Jason D. Clinton wrote:
On Sun, Jan 4, 2009 at 8:51 AM, Olav Vitters o...@bkor.dhs.org wrote:
That isn't a contest. It is a survey.
Please don't read more in to my email than I intended. There's no need
to get defensive.
It is not defensive. I
On Sun, Jan 4, 2009 at 2:43 AM, Karl Lattimer k...@qdh.org.uk wrote:
Elijah Newren did an initial analysis of the data. His analysis also
includes
the survey questions and answers. Find it at:
http://blogs.gnome.org/newren/2009/01/03/gnome-dvcs-survey-results/
This is pretty decent
On Sun, Jan 4, 2009 at 11:48 AM, John Carr john.c...@unrouted.co.uk wrote:
I'm not a complete idiot - if it was going to be a degraded,
bastardized form of Git I wouldn't waste my time on it. I suppose I
might be an evil genius stalling for Bazaar DS9 to be written (sorry
for the very bad joke
After much longer than intended, I'm happy to announce another release of
Seed. ChangeLog below.
Tarballs can be found at:
http://ftp.gnome.org/pub/GNOME/sources/seed/0.3/ (Please use 0.3.1, 0.3 was
botched)
For those not aware, Seed is a library and standalone interpreter providing
a bridge
On Sat, 2009-01-03 at 22:46 -0500, Behdad Esfahbod wrote:
In December I ran a distributed version control system survey for GNOME.
From the survey opening page:
Thank you for taking the GNOME DVCS Survey. This survey is run on behalf
of the GNOME Foundation board of directors, release
On 1/4/09, Gustavo J. A. M. Carneiro g...@inescporto.pt wrote:
Just in case I am forced to switch to git in the future (being open
minded here, although I prefer bazaar), does someone have any advice how
to generate a nice GNU style ChangeLog (like what emacs produces) from
git commit
2009-01-04 klockan 15:10 skrev Jason D. Clinton:
I'd like to point out that--of the 15 people who regularly use git and
bzr--git still won.
Two remarks.
First remark: In the survey I answered that I do not really know much about
git, and that I do not use it often. This has a reason, which I
On Sun, 2009-01-04 at 17:48 +, John Carr wrote:
As bkor has stated, there are lots of Git users so any implementation
will support you, and support you well. That is a requirement. So any
talk of my idea is not Git vs Bazaar, its talk of one way we can move
forward. So i dont consider it
On Sun, Jan 4, 2009 at 3:01 PM, Zeeshan Ali (Khattak) zee...@gmail.com wrote:
How about we set-up a task-force of volunteers who would want to
help in the move, each volunteer promising at least 3 hours a week? 3
hours is a very small amount of time but I am hoping that we'll be
able to
On Sun, Jan 4, 2009 at 3:59 PM, David Zeuthen da...@fubar.dk wrote:
On Sun, 2009-01-04 at 17:48 +, John Carr wrote:
As bkor has stated, there are lots of Git users so any implementation
will support you, and support you well. That is a requirement. So any
talk of my idea is not Git vs
2009/1/4 Gustavo J. A. M. Carneiro g...@inescporto.pt:
Just in case I am forced to switch to git in the future (being open
minded here, although I prefer bazaar), does someone have any advice how
to generate a nice GNU style ChangeLog (like what emacs produces) from
git commit logs? I know
Hi!
On Sun, Jan 4, 2009 at 6:06 PM, Olav Vitters o...@bkor.dhs.org wrote:
On Sun, Jan 04, 2009 at 09:40:33AM -0600, Jason D. Clinton wrote:
On Sun, Jan 4, 2009 at 8:51 AM, Olav Vitters o...@bkor.dhs.org wrote:
Moving will not be easy, obviously. But doing it John's way will be,
in my
On Sun, 2009-01-04 at 23:01 +0200, Zeeshan Ali (Khattak) wrote:
How about we set-up a task-force of volunteers who would want to
help in the move, each volunteer promising at least 3 hours a week? 3
hours is a very small amount of time but I am hoping that we'll be
able to gather at least 10
On Sun, Jan 4, 2009 at 3:27 PM, Olav Vitters o...@bkor.dhs.org wrote:
I can commit that much time as long as there's clear delegation of
work by--preferably--the sysadmin team. I don't want to sit on a
committee that does a lot of deciding and no actual doing.
What do you mean with
David Zeuthen wrote:
On Sun, 2009-01-04 at 17:48 +, John Carr wrote:
As bkor has stated, there are lots of Git users so any implementation
will support you, and support you well. That is a requirement. So any
talk of my idea is not Git vs Bazaar, its talk of one way we can move
Il giorno dom, 04/01/2009 alle 16.11 -0500, Matthias Clasen ha scritto:
It seems pretty clear to me that any 'homegrown' system like this is
not suitable as a longterm, stable solution for a project the size of
gnome.
BTW, once switched to DVCS, how much disk space I should have in order
to
On Sun, Jan 4, 2009 at 3:47 PM, Luca Ferretti elle@libero.it wrote:
bzr allows lightweight checkouts [1]. What about git?
Yes, it does. This is not an issue.
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On Sun, Jan 4, 2009 at 10:47 PM, Luca Ferretti elle@libero.it wrote:
People using JHBuild to develop one project against latest code or
simply testing the whole desktop don't need the full history for all
GNOME Desktop modules
bzr allows lightweight checkouts [1]. What about git?
On Sun, Jan 4, 2009 at 11:47 PM, Luca Ferretti elle@libero.it wrote:
Il giorno dom, 04/01/2009 alle 16.11 -0500, Matthias Clasen ha scritto:
It seems pretty clear to me that any 'homegrown' system like this is
not suitable as a longterm, stable solution for a project the size of
gnome.
On Sun, 2009-01-04 at 22:47 +0100, Frederic Peters wrote:
Probably just like bzr already went through several repository formats
and allowed easy upgrades (just like Subversion repository format
changed and it didn't cause any problem for users). I don't think
there is a problem here.
I
Il giorno dom, 04/01/2009 alle 23.58 +0200, Zeeshan Ali (Khattak) ha
scritto:
On Sun, Jan 4, 2009 at 11:47 PM, Luca Ferretti elle@libero.it wrote:
Il giorno dom, 04/01/2009 alle 16.11 -0500, Matthias Clasen ha scritto:
It seems pretty clear to me that any 'homegrown' system like this is
Jason D. Clinton wrote:
On Sun, Jan 4, 2009 at 3:47 PM, Luca Ferretti elle@libero.it wrote:
bzr allows lightweight checkouts [1]. What about git?
Yes, it does. This is not an issue.
I think non-git users already knows that git can do everything™, but
they would learn about git ways
On sön, 2009-01-04 at 23:58 +0200, Zeeshan Ali (Khattak) wrote:
On Sun, Jan 4, 2009 at 11:47 PM, Luca Ferretti elle@libero.it wrote:
Il giorno dom, 04/01/2009 alle 16.11 -0500, Matthias Clasen ha scritto:
It seems pretty clear to me that any 'homegrown' system like this is
not
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On Sun, Jan 4, 2009 at 3:59 PM, David Zeuthen da...@fubar.dk wrote:
On Sun, 2009-01-04 at 17:48 +, John Carr wrote:
As bkor has stated, there are lots of Git users so any implementation
will support you, and support
On Sun, Jan 4, 2009 at 11:05 PM, David Zeuthen da...@fubar.dk wrote:
On Sun, 2009-01-04 at 22:47 +0100, Frederic Peters wrote:
Probably just like bzr already went through several repository formats
and allowed easy upgrades (just like Subversion repository format
changed and it didn't
David Zeuthen wrote:
I don't find this answer compelling. At all. It also doesn't answer the
question. It's not unlikely that a future git repo format is
fundamentally incompatible with current or future bzr repo formats.
Just like I noted it was just an understanding of John's proposal;
On Sun, 2009-01-04 at 23:16 +0100, Robin Sonefors wrote:
How much does it consume if it's a svn checkout? I heard (don't
know
if it's true or not) git repo usually takes less diskspace then svn
checkout. This page seems to support this claim:
A complete git repo is usually smaller than
On Sun, Jan 4, 2009 at 11:16 PM, Robin Sonefors ozam...@flukkost.nu wrote:
On sön, 2009-01-04 at 23:58 +0200, Zeeshan Ali (Khattak) wrote:
On Sun, Jan 4, 2009 at 11:47 PM, Luca Ferretti elle@libero.it
wrote:
Il giorno dom, 04/01/2009 alle 16.11 -0500, Matthias Clasen ha scritto:
On Sun, 2009-01-04 at 23:20 +0100, Ali Sabil wrote:
First, it only makes it much harder for users to grasp; we're
going to
end up with some projects have l.g.o pages / README files /
mailing list
messages saying use bzr to check out this branch and
On Sun, Jan 04, 2009 at 05:29:02PM -0500, David Zeuthen wrote:
Uh, but that's exactly how I understood the proposal and I believe that
the points I made (that you didn't respond to) still stands: That it's
crazy to officially want to support git, bzr and hg *at* the same time
*from* the same
On Sun, 2009-01-04 at 23:33 +0100, Olav Vitters wrote:
On Sun, Jan 04, 2009 at 05:29:02PM -0500, David Zeuthen wrote:
Uh, but that's exactly how I understood the proposal and I believe that
the points I made (that you didn't respond to) still stands: That it's
crazy to officially want to
On Sun, Jan 04, 2009 at 11:37:05PM +0100, Patryk Zawadzki wrote:
On Sun, Jan 4, 2009 at 11:33 PM, Olav Vitters o...@bkor.dhs.org wrote:
On Sun, Jan 04, 2009 at 05:29:02PM -0500, David Zeuthen wrote:
Uh, but that's exactly how I understood the proposal and I believe that
the points I made
On Sun, Jan 4, 2009 at 11:33 PM, Olav Vitters o...@bkor.dhs.org wrote:
On Sun, Jan 04, 2009 at 05:29:02PM -0500, David Zeuthen wrote:
Uh, but that's exactly how I understood the proposal and I believe that
the points I made (that you didn't respond to) still stands: That it's
crazy to
Hi!
It seems pretty clear to me that any 'homegrown' system like this is
not suitable as a longterm, stable solution for a project the size of
gnome.
I totally agree here! This is simply a problem of QA. If someone writes
a system that can serve all possible (D)VCS clients that's fine but
On Sun, 2009-01-04 at 23:58 +0100, Olav Vitters wrote:
On Sun, Jan 04, 2009 at 05:40:18PM -0500, David Zeuthen wrote:
Is it *really* so hard to understand that this whole git-serve is a
terrible idea?
You expect me to reply to this??!?
I expected you to reply to the other three mails
On Mon, Jan 05, 2009 at 12:04:30AM +0100, Johannes Schmid wrote:
Hi!
It seems pretty clear to me that any 'homegrown' system like this is
not suitable as a longterm, stable solution for a project the size of
gnome.
I totally agree here! This is simply a problem of QA. If someone writes
On Sun, 2009-01-04 at 17:40 -0500, David Zeuthen wrote:
On Sun, 2009-01-04 at 23:33 +0100, Olav Vitters wrote:
On Sun, Jan 04, 2009 at 05:29:02PM -0500, David Zeuthen wrote:
Uh, but that's exactly how I understood the proposal and I believe that
the points I made (that you didn't respond
On Sun, Jan 04, 2009 at 06:05:30PM -0500, David Zeuthen wrote:
On Sun, 2009-01-04 at 23:58 +0100, Olav Vitters wrote:
On Sun, Jan 04, 2009 at 05:40:18PM -0500, David Zeuthen wrote:
Is it *really* so hard to understand that this whole git-serve is a
terrible idea?
You expect me to
Le lundi 05 janvier 2009 à 00:04 +0100, Johannes Schmid a écrit :
I totally agree here! This is simply a problem of QA. If someone writes
a system that can serve all possible (D)VCS clients that's fine but this
won't happen tommorow
No, it already happened and it is called Subversion. This is
On Mon, 2009-01-05 at 00:18 +0100, Olav Vitters wrote:
I am not evading. Stop trying to make this personal. I don't care about
CoC, I don't like you're talking to me.
Please. Stop trying to make this look like it's personal and like I'm
assaulting you. Because I didn't. And I resent the
Le dimanche 04 janvier 2009 à 15:40 -0500, Diego Escalante Urrelo a
écrit :
On a side note here, I recalled being against dropping ChangeLogs in
projects in favour of commit messages. But now I love it and I realize
that my main problem was that with SVN I *needed* the ChangeLog since
that was
2009/1/5 Josselin Mouette j...@debian.org:
Le dimanche 04 janvier 2009 à 15:40 -0500, Diego Escalante Urrelo a
écrit :
On a side note here, I recalled being against dropping ChangeLogs in
projects in favour of commit messages. But now I love it and I realize
that my main problem was that with
On Mon, 2009-01-05 at 00:41 +0100, Josselin Mouette wrote:
Le dimanche 04 janvier 2009 à 15:40 -0500, Diego Escalante Urrelo a
écrit :
On a side note here, I recalled being against dropping ChangeLogs in
projects in favour of commit messages. But now I love it and I realize
that my main
Le dimanche 04 janvier 2009 à 23:44 +, Emmanuele Bassi a écrit :
I'd agree if you could not properly see a project's commit history on a
web interface, like with viewvc for svn, but since you can:
http://git.clutter-project.org/cgit.cgi?url=clutter/log/
your point is moot.
Sorry,
On 01/04/2009 05:10 PM, Emmanuele Bassi wrote:
On Sun, 2009-01-04 at 17:40 -0500, David Zeuthen wrote:
On Sun, 2009-01-04 at 23:33 +0100, Olav Vitters wrote:
On Sun, Jan 04, 2009 at 05:29:02PM -0500, David Zeuthen wrote:
Uh, but that's exactly how I understood the proposal and I believe that
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