Re: Boxes and 3.4

2011-11-30 Thread Tomeu Vizoso
On Wed, Nov 30, 2011 at 08:08, Vincent Untz vu...@gnome.org wrote: [1] http://live.gnome.org/Design/Apps -- just to give an example: I feel that a backup tool makes more sense than boxes as a core app, imho. And the wiki says that such a tool is very likely not a core app but would make a

Re: Boxes and 3.4

2011-11-30 Thread William Jon McCann
Hi, On Wed, Nov 30, 2011 at 8:08 AM, Vincent Untz vu...@gnome.org wrote: Le mercredi 30 novembre 2011, à 00:37 +0200, Zeeshan Ali (Khattak) a écrit : Hi everyone,    As most of you know, we proposed Boxes for 3.4 and from what I can tell, there were no big objections in the end. There was

Re: Boxes and 3.4

2011-11-30 Thread Vincent Untz
Le mercredi 30 novembre 2011, à 10:31 +0100, William Jon McCann a écrit : Hi, On Wed, Nov 30, 2011 at 8:08 AM, Vincent Untz vu...@gnome.org wrote: Le mercredi 30 novembre 2011, à 00:37 +0200, Zeeshan Ali (Khattak) a écrit : Hi everyone,    As most of you know, we proposed Boxes for 3.4

Re: Boxes and 3.4

2011-11-30 Thread William Jon McCann
On Wed, Nov 30, 2011 at 12:26 PM, Vincent Untz vu...@gnome.org wrote: Le mercredi 30 novembre 2011, à 10:31 +0100, William Jon McCann a écrit : Hi, On Wed, Nov 30, 2011 at 8:08 AM, Vincent Untz vu...@gnome.org wrote: Le mercredi 30 novembre 2011, à 00:37 +0200, Zeeshan Ali (Khattak) a écrit

Re: Boxes and 3.4

2011-11-30 Thread Vincent Untz
Le mercredi 30 novembre 2011, à 12:33 +0100, William Jon McCann a écrit : On Wed, Nov 30, 2011 at 12:26 PM, Vincent Untz vu...@gnome.org wrote: Le mercredi 30 novembre 2011, à 10:31 +0100, William Jon McCann a écrit : Hi, On Wed, Nov 30, 2011 at 8:08 AM, Vincent Untz vu...@gnome.org

Re: Boxes and 3.4

2011-11-30 Thread Guillaume Desmottes
Le mercredi 30 novembre 2011 à 12:54 +0100, Vincent Untz a écrit : The vino/vinagre duo is/was oriented towards sysadmins (although it could be used for other use cases). Do you think these should not be part of the GNOME core? I think vino should stay as a desktop service, but

Re: Boxes and 3.4

2011-11-30 Thread Luca Ferretti
2011/11/30 Vincent Untz vu...@gnome.org The only thing you mentioned in the other thread that I saw was a feeling that it wasn't right. I said that I didn't feel Boxes should be tracked as a feature, and that I didn't believe it was useful to most users. I agree with Vincent: there is a

Re: Boxes and 3.4

2011-11-30 Thread Matthias Clasen
On Wed, Nov 30, 2011 at 8:15 AM, Luca Ferretti lferr...@gnome.org wrote: THis feeling drives to me to the following question: what's the audience you (William and Jackub, if I recall correctly the Boxes design is from you) you had in mind for GNOME? And, in suborder, why can't Boxes be

Re: Boxes and 3.4

2011-11-30 Thread Andrew Cowie
On Wed, 2011-11-30 at 14:15 +0100, Luca Ferretti wrote: And, in suborder, why can't Boxes be simply a non-core, featured application, just like GIMP or Simple Scan? Because there's a big difference between an integrated, designed, polished, documented and translated GNOME app and something

Re: Boxes and 3.4

2011-11-30 Thread Luca Ferretti
2011/11/30 Andrew Cowie and...@operationaldynamics.com: On Wed, 2011-11-30 at 14:15 +0100, Luca Ferretti wrote: And, in suborder, why can't Boxes be simply a non-core, featured application, just like GIMP or Simple Scan? Because there's a big difference between an integrated, designed,

Re: Boxes and 3.4

2011-11-30 Thread Sriram Ramkrishna
However, I don't want too see Boxes as a solution, it's just a tool that will allow you to use VMs and remote machines. It could be a plus when we'll release a full GNOME OS, but when this will occur IT professionists and tech enthusiast people will show more interest in supported protocols

Re: Boxes and 3.4

2011-11-30 Thread Jason D. Clinton
On Wed, Nov 30, 2011 at 16:32, Andrew Cowie and...@operationaldynamics.comwrote: On Wed, 2011-11-30 at 14:15 +0100, Luca Ferretti wrote: And, in suborder, why can't Boxes be simply a non-core, featured application, just like GIMP or Simple Scan? Because there's a big difference between an

Re: Boxes and 3.4

2011-11-30 Thread Zeeshan Ali (Khattak)
On Thu, Dec 1, 2011 at 12:32 AM, Andrew Cowie and...@operationaldynamics.com wrote: On Wed, 2011-11-30 at 14:15 +0100, Luca Ferretti wrote: And, in suborder, why can't Boxes be simply a non-core, featured application, just like GIMP or Simple Scan? Because there's a big difference between an

Re: Boxes and 3.4

2011-11-30 Thread Zeeshan Ali (Khattak)
On Thu, Dec 1, 2011 at 4:49 AM, Zeeshan Ali (Khattak) zeesha...@gnome.org wrote: On Thu, Dec 1, 2011 at 12:32 AM, Andrew Cowie and...@operationaldynamics.com wrote: We're getting *ransacked* out there in discussions in LUGs around the world (e.g. [1]) because power users are trying GNOME 3

Re: Boxes and 3.4

2011-11-30 Thread Johannes Schmid
Hi! Regarding the rationale of Boxes as a core app, I think we definitely need something to nicely handle insertion of an OS installer or live media. The best thing to do in that scenerio is the creation and launch of a VM (box) and Boxes already does that for you. Without Boxes as part of