Re: 3.6 Feature: IBus/XKB integration

2012-05-13 Thread Ma Xiaojun
> not that bad? right. it's the worst case to CJK users. > > then you can only reply on mouth input like disabled persons. > > although GNOME is really good at such technologies. > > that's not what we want. All of you seem to assume that breakage/regression must happen. I don't think so. On the ot

Re: 3.6 Feature: IBus/XKB integration

2012-05-13 Thread Marguerite Su
On Mon, May 14, 2012 at 2:00 AM, Ma Xiaojun wrote: > On Mon, May 14, 2012 at 1:28 AM, Aron Xu wrote: >> After a long discussion with Mr. Ma privately (3 hours with instant >> messaging), here are the points he would like to make, which is not >> acceptable by us obviously: > Don't disclose my pri

Re: 3.6 Feature: IBus/XKB integration

2012-05-13 Thread Ma Xiaojun
On Mon, May 14, 2012 at 1:28 AM, Aron Xu wrote: > After a long discussion with Mr. Ma privately (3 hours with instant > messaging), here are the points he would like to make, which is not > acceptable by us obviously: Don't disclose my private opinions next time. In fact, I'm grateful for your spe

Re: 3.6 Feature: IBus/XKB integration

2012-05-13 Thread Aron Xu
Dear list, I would like to publicly say *SORRY* to Mr. Ma, who have proceeded with personal attack because of my leaking his unique but secret vision to this particular issue. Also I hope this is the last email on this list because of such personal issue to avoid bothering everyone once again. Pr

Re: 3.6 Feature: IBus/XKB integration

2012-05-13 Thread Aron Xu
Hi, On Mon, May 14, 2012 at 1:14 AM, Ma Xiaojun wrote: > I have to clarify something. The archive is too long for me. I haven't > read them all. > After a long discussion with Mr. Ma privately (3 hours with instant messaging), here are the points he would like to make, which is not acceptable by

Re: 3.6 Feature: IBus/XKB integration

2012-05-13 Thread Marguerite Su
On Mon, May 14, 2012 at 12:19 AM, Frederic Peters wrote: > Tomas Frydrych wrote: > >> Rather a long discussion over IBus, but it seems to more or less boil >> down to two voices and this: >> >> Gnome developers: we want tighter IM integration and simpler UI in the >> name of better UX, and are loo

Re: 3.6 Feature: IBus/XKB integration

2012-05-13 Thread Ma Xiaojun
I have to clarify something. The archive is too long for me. I haven't read them all. The Unity bug I mentioned doesn't integrate IBus. AFAIK, IBus actually works not very well on Ubuntu 12.04 with Unity. The bug just eliminate the possibility of using another input method framework. True integra

Re: 3.6 Feature: IBus/XKB integration

2012-05-13 Thread Marguerite Su
On Sun, May 13, 2012 at 10:46 PM, Owen Taylor wrote: > On Sun, 2012-05-13 at 08:43 +0100, Tomas Frydrych wrote: >> Rather a long discussion over IBus, but it seems to more or less boil >> down to two voices and this: >> >> Gnome developers: we want tighter IM integration and simpler UI in the >> n

Re: 3.6 Feature: IBus/XKB integration

2012-05-13 Thread Frederic Peters
Tomas Frydrych wrote: > Rather a long discussion over IBus, but it seems to more or less boil > down to two voices and this: > > Gnome developers: we want tighter IM integration and simpler UI in the > name of better UX, and are looking at IBus as the underlying technology, > > Users: IBus has p

Re: 3.6 Feature: IBus/XKB integration

2012-05-13 Thread Justin Wong
True, it's capable. but u ought to know "just can work" is far away from "work well", although ibus developers have done a lot to make it better. On May 13, 2012 10:46 PM, "Owen Taylor" wrote: > > On Sun, 2012-05-13 at 08:43 +0100, Tomas Frydrych wrote: > > Rather a long discussion over IBus, bu

Re: 3.6 Feature: IBus/XKB integration

2012-05-13 Thread Owen Taylor
On Sun, 2012-05-13 at 08:43 +0100, Tomas Frydrych wrote: > Rather a long discussion over IBus, but it seems to more or less boil > down to two voices and this: > > Gnome developers: we want tighter IM integration and simpler UI in the > name of better UX, and are looking at IBus as the underlying

Re: 3.6 Feature: IBus/XKB integration

2012-05-13 Thread Lanoxx
On 13/05/12 09:43, Tomas Frydrych wrote: Hi everyone, Rather a long discussion over IBus, but it seems to more or less boil down to two voices and this: Gnome developers: we want tighter IM integration and simpler UI in the name of better UX, and are looking at IBus as the underlying technology

Re: 3.6 Feature: IBus/XKB integration

2012-05-13 Thread Marguerite Su
On Sun, May 13, 2012 at 5:54 PM, Ma Xiaojun wrote: > Hi, all. > > I subscribed this list for this thread. As yet another native Chinese > Linux user I'd say I support IBus integration. > to what? GNOME? or all over Linux Distros? > When I saw Ubuntu Bug #983254, Unity's IBus "integration", I fee

Re: 3.6 Feature: IBus/XKB integration

2012-05-13 Thread Weng Xuetian
On Sun, May 13, 2012 at 5:54 PM, Ma Xiaojun wrote: > Hi, all. > > I subscribed this list for this thread. As yet another native Chinese > Linux user I'd say I support IBus integration. > > When I saw Ubuntu Bug #983254, Unity's IBus "integration", I feel that > it was wrong and I spent some effort

Re: 3.6 Feature: IBus/XKB integration

2012-05-13 Thread Ma Xiaojun
Hi, all. I subscribed this list for this thread. As yet another native Chinese Linux user I'd say I support IBus integration. When I saw Ubuntu Bug #983254, Unity's IBus "integration", I feel that it was wrong and I spent some efforts to spread that bug in Chinese use community. https://bugs.laun

Re: 3.6 Feature: IBus/XKB integration

2012-05-13 Thread Justin Wong
That's easy and already implemented, http://youtu.be/ENz7LTd8N5g On Sun, May 13, 2012 at 4:08 PM, Jasper St. Pierre wrote: > On Sun, May 13, 2012 at 3:43 AM, Tomas Frydrych > wrote: > > > > Hi everyone, > > > > Rather a long discussion over IBus, but it seems to more or less boil > > down to two

Re: 3.6 Feature: IBus/XKB integration

2012-05-13 Thread Jasper St. Pierre
On Sun, May 13, 2012 at 3:43 AM, Tomas Frydrych wrote: > > Hi everyone, > > Rather a long discussion over IBus, but it seems to more or less boil > down to two voices and this: > > Gnome developers: we want tighter IM integration and simpler UI in the > name of better UX, and are looking at IBus a

Re: 3.6 Feature: IBus/XKB integration

2012-05-13 Thread Tomas Frydrych
Hi everyone, Rather a long discussion over IBus, but it seems to more or less boil down to two voices and this: Gnome developers: we want tighter IM integration and simpler UI in the name of better UX, and are looking at IBus as the underlying technology, Users: IBus has poor support for CJK in

Re: 3.6 Feature: IBus/XKB integration

2012-05-13 Thread Marguerite Su
I'm going to "fix" this email with explanations on the tech bits he referred, in plain English. And I can't be more plain English than Justin Wong's. so I won't explain his email(s). as I said, someone has already started a conversation with him. And Liang's email just provides some facts, so no