Re: 3.6 Feature: IBus/XKB integration

2012-04-25 Thread Bastien Nocera
On Wed, 2012-04-25 at 09:37 -0400, Owen Taylor wrote: On Wed, 2012-04-25 at 11:10 +0100, Bastien Nocera wrote: On Wed, 2012-04-25 at 09:34 +0200, Rui Tiago Cação Matos wrote: On 24/04/2012, Owen Taylor otay...@redhat.com wrote: snip So, I don't think it really works to just ignore

Re: 3.6 Feature: IBus/XKB integration

2012-04-25 Thread Bastien Nocera
On Wed, 2012-04-25 at 14:50 +0100, Sergey Udaltsov wrote: snip And, did you think about setting up the formal survey? Your idea to ask people was really good! I think that our past experience with surveys done in the context of GNOME have shown that this sort of survey isn't useful. Asking

Re: 3.6 Feature: IBus/XKB integration

2012-04-25 Thread Bastien Nocera
On Wed, 2012-04-25 at 12:27 -0400, Owen Taylor wrote: On Wed, 2012-04-25 at 16:00 +0100, Bastien Nocera wrote: Isn't that a whole lot more confusing? Plus, do we have time in the 3.6 cycle to do a good job at inventing a replacement for non-legacy apps? Is that the best use of our

Re: 3.6 Feature: Totem - Videos

2012-04-24 Thread Bastien Nocera
On Mon, 2012-04-23 at 21:09 -0500, Federico Mena Quintero wrote: On Mon, 2012-04-23 at 17:52 +0100, Bastien Nocera wrote: Work is on-going to make Totem into that: https://live.gnome.org/Design/Apps/Videos#Tentative_Design The thumbnail view looks really nice! And the searching

Re: 3.6 Feature: Totem - Videos

2012-04-24 Thread Bastien Nocera
On Tue, 2012-04-24 at 03:33 +0100, Alberto Ruiz wrote: 2012/4/24 Federico Mena Quintero feder...@gnome.org * Some sort of connection with a BitTorrent client. I know this is treading on taboo ground, but I assume that a lot of people download

Re: Rules for design in Gnome

2012-04-24 Thread Bastien Nocera
Hello Federico, Em Mon, 2012-04-23 às 20:58 -0500, Federico Mena Quintero escreveu: snip From http://live.gnome.org/CodeOfConduct Assume people mean well From your mail: The design team IS NOT welcome to: * Second-guess maintainers or well-intentioned contributors. * Block development

Re: Rules for design in Gnome

2012-04-24 Thread Bastien Nocera
Em Tue, 2012-04-24 às 15:50 +0200, Andre Klapper escreveu: On Tue, 2012-04-24 at 10:54 +0100, Bastien Nocera wrote: I think an apology is in order. That would require criticizing somebody in an inappropriate way first. I don't see that here. I don't agree. I find it rude and out-of-order

Re: Rules for design in Gnome

2012-04-24 Thread Bastien Nocera
On Tue, 2012-04-24 at 10:58 -0400, Shaun McCance wrote: On Tue, 2012-04-24 at 10:54 +0100, Bastien Nocera wrote: Hello Federico, Em Mon, 2012-04-23 às 20:58 -0500, Federico Mena Quintero escreveu: snip From http://live.gnome.org/CodeOfConduct Assume people mean well Federico

Re: Feature Proposal: Accessibility on by default

2012-04-24 Thread Bastien Nocera
Em Tue, 2012-04-24 às 10:40 -0700, Sriram Ramkrishna escreveu: On Mon, Apr 23, 2012 at 11:49 AM, Piñeiro apinhe...@igalia.com wrote: The change is trivial. It is only required to change the default value of 'toolkit-accessibility' on

3.6 Feature: Totem - Videos

2012-04-23 Thread Bastien Nocera
Work is on-going to make Totem into that: https://live.gnome.org/Design/Apps/Videos#Tentative_Design Which means more clutter (the framework) and less clutter (the mess). Cheers ___ desktop-devel-list mailing list desktop-devel-list@gnome.org

Re: Module Proposal: Zeitgeist

2012-04-19 Thread Bastien Nocera
On Thu, 2012-04-19 at 02:20 +0200, Seif Lotfy wrote: So let me try to take Web use cases that could use Zeitgeist: * The user wants to type in the location bar and have suggestions pop out while typing. * The user wants to blacklist some websites or all websites

Re: Module Proposal: Zeitgeist

2012-04-19 Thread Bastien Nocera
On Wed, 2012-04-18 at 23:43 +0200, Seif Lotfy wrote: Clocks: The clocks app is designed by the GNOME designers. It is still more or less a prototype I am working on alongside Emily Gonyer. We wanted to make use of Zeitgeist in storing

Re: How do you hack on the bleeding edge of Gnome?

2012-04-19 Thread Bastien Nocera
On Wed, 2012-04-18 at 17:55 -0500, Federico Mena Quintero wrote: I've been having a terrible time trying to get something tested on top of Gnome 3.4, all because I can't get 3.4 built from jhbuild. I'm too old to build from tarballs, and my distro doesn't carry 3.4 yet. I wonder how people

Re: Module Proposal: Zeitgeist

2012-04-18 Thread Bastien Nocera
On Tue, 2012-04-17 at 22:47 +0200, Seif Lotfy wrote: snip We already have GNOME specific developments: * We already log everything that pushes into Gtk.RecentlyUsed. * For better logging we have Totem, Rhythmbox, and gedit deploying loggers as a soft-dependency in the form

Re: Dealing with GTK 3.3.18 scrolling handling changes for GNOME 3.4

2012-03-16 Thread Bastien Nocera
Em Fri, 2012-03-16 às 12:51 +0100, Carlos Garnacho escreveu: Hey, In order to provide some background to the ML, scroll events were being sent to widgets with GDK_BUTTON_PRESS_MASK (no scroll mask required), but this played odd with smooth scrolling as scrolled windows get scroll events in

Re: Dealing with GTK 3.3.18 scrolling handling changes for GNOME 3.4

2012-03-14 Thread Bastien Nocera
Em Wed, 2012-03-14 às 19:17 +0100, Sebastien Bacher escreveu: snip I think that's an issue we should look at addressing before 3.4, either by doing some compat work in GTK (i.e keep emiting the scroll up down events as well as the smooth ones if possible) or by patching the applications,

Re: Media key events

2012-02-27 Thread Bastien Nocera
On Mon, 2012-02-27 at 14:03 +, Richard H Lee wrote: Hi, I'm using the MediaPlayerKeyPressed signals in org.gnome.SettingsDaemon. But they only signal when a key has been pressed, i.e. a keydown then key up cycle. Is there any where to detect the individual key up and key down

Re: Using Bugzilla for freeze break requests?

2012-02-07 Thread Bastien Nocera
On Tue, 2012-02-07 at 13:15 +0100, Andre Klapper wrote: On Thu, 2011-09-22 at 22:44 +0100, Bastien Nocera wrote: After having to send in another code freeze break request e-mail, I realised that the process is problematic. Apart from the release team and the patch sender, nobody else knows

Re: [gnome-settings-daemon] datetime: Remove datetime D-Bus mechanism

2012-01-28 Thread Bastien Nocera
Em Fri, 2012-01-27 às 09:45 -0500, Colin Walters escreveu: On Thu, 2012-01-19 at 17:49 -0500, Ryan Lortie wrote: hi Bastien, On Thu, 2012-01-19 at 22:38 +, Bastien Nocera wrote: commit 27fa171efe4179c0a42ec79e0dc501077f042a08 Author: Bastien Nocera had...@hadess.net Date

Re: [gnome-settings-daemon] datetime: Remove datetime D-Bus mechanism

2012-01-28 Thread Bastien Nocera
Em Sat, 2012-01-28 às 18:21 +0200, Ionut Biru escreveu: On 01/28/2012 05:31 PM, Bastien Nocera wrote: snip [1]: I'll repeat once again that Ubuntu, Debian, SUSE and Fedora were the only supported distros in the old mechanism. I keep seeing this. Add to the list Arch Linux as well

Re: [gnome-settings-daemon] datetime: Remove datetime D-Bus mechanism

2012-01-28 Thread Bastien Nocera
Em Sat, 2012-01-28 às 18:39 +0200, Ionut Biru escreveu: On 01/28/2012 06:36 PM, Bastien Nocera wrote: Em Sat, 2012-01-28 às 18:21 +0200, Ionut Biru escreveu: On 01/28/2012 05:31 PM, Bastien Nocera wrote: snip [1]: I'll repeat once again that Ubuntu, Debian, SUSE and Fedora were the only

Re: [gnome-settings-daemon] datetime: Remove datetime D-Bus mechanism

2012-01-28 Thread Bastien Nocera
Em Sat, 2012-01-28 às 11:52 -0500, Colin Walters escreveu: On Sat, 2012-01-28 at 15:31 +, Bastien Nocera wrote: Ubuntu has apparently taken steps to fix the problem, Debian can probably use the same code, and OpenSUSE can use the RPM I made and linked to earlier in the thread

Re: [gnome-settings-daemon] datetime: Remove datetime D-Bus mechanism

2012-01-23 Thread Bastien Nocera
On Mon, 2012-01-23 at 10:54 +0100, Frederic Crozat wrote: 2012/1/23 Olav Vitters o...@vitters.nl: On Mon, Jan 23, 2012 at 10:14:32AM +0100, Sebastien Bacher wrote: Why do you guys insist in making that a Canonical,Ubuntu issue? Only that distribution is affected by the functionality

Re: [gnome-settings-daemon] datetime: Remove datetime D-Bus mechanism

2012-01-20 Thread Bastien Nocera
On Thu, 2012-01-19 at 17:49 -0500, Ryan Lortie wrote: hi Bastien, On Thu, 2012-01-19 at 22:38 +, Bastien Nocera wrote: commit 27fa171efe4179c0a42ec79e0dc501077f042a08 Author: Bastien Nocera had...@hadess.net Date: Thu Jan 19 22:33:21 2012 + datetime: Remove datetime D

Re: [gnome-settings-daemon] datetime: Remove datetime D-Bus mechanism

2012-01-20 Thread Bastien Nocera
On Fri, 2012-01-20 at 09:34 +0100, Olav Vitters wrote: On Fri, Jan 20, 2012 at 08:04:36AM +, Emmanuele Bassi wrote: On 20 January 2012 03:25, Lennart Poettering mzta...@0pointer.de wrote: Now that gnome-control-center uses systemd's date time mechanism[1], we don't

Re: [gnome-settings-daemon] datetime: Remove datetime D-Bus mechanism

2012-01-20 Thread Bastien Nocera
On Fri, 2012-01-20 at 13:23 +0200, Ionut Biru wrote: On 01/20/2012 10:34 AM, Olav Vitters wrote: On Fri, Jan 20, 2012 at 08:04:36AM +, Emmanuele Bassi wrote: On 20 January 2012 03:25, Lennart Poettering mzta...@0pointer.de wrote: Now that gnome-control-center uses systemd's date

Re: [gnome-settings-daemon] datetime: Remove datetime D-Bus mechanism

2012-01-20 Thread Bastien Nocera
On Fri, 2012-01-20 at 13:57 +0100, Antoine Jacoutot wrote: On Fri, Jan 20, 2012 at 12:37:44PM +, Bastien Nocera wrote: On Fri, 2012-01-20 at 09:34 +0100, Olav Vitters wrote: On Fri, Jan 20, 2012 at 08:04:36AM +, Emmanuele Bassi wrote: On 20 January 2012 03:25, Lennart Poettering

Re: [gnome-settings-daemon] datetime: Remove datetime D-Bus mechanism

2012-01-20 Thread Bastien Nocera
On Fri, 2012-01-20 at 08:47 -0500, Ryan Lortie wrote: hi Bastien, On Fri, 2012-01-20 at 12:36 +, Bastien Nocera wrote: No, the distributions/systems that choose not to use systemd will have to provide a compatible D-Bus service. This is what I guessed you'd say. Why did you ask

Re: [gnome-settings-daemon] datetime: Remove datetime D-Bus mechanism

2012-01-20 Thread Bastien Nocera
On Fri, 2012-01-20 at 15:06 +0100, Sebastien Bacher wrote: Le 20/01/2012 13:00, Olav Vitters a écrit : It is called systemd, and it is NOT a dependency. What we depend on is a few simple dbus APIs. If an OS doesn't implement those APIs, certain functionality won't work. These APIs have been

Re: [gnome-settings-daemon] datetime: Remove datetime D-Bus mechanism

2012-01-20 Thread Bastien Nocera
On Fri, 2012-01-20 at 09:48 -0500, Jeremy Bicha wrote: snip While writing the extra code that Debian and Ubuntu will need may only take a day or a few days' work for you, it's probably beyond my abilities. I don't think it is. Take systemd's tarball, and call it systemd-services. Package up

Re: [gnome-settings-daemon] datetime: Remove datetime D-Bus mechanism

2012-01-20 Thread Bastien Nocera
On Fri, 2012-01-20 at 10:12 -0500, Shaun McCance wrote: On Fri, 2012-01-20 at 12:36 +, Bastien Nocera wrote: On Thu, 2012-01-19 at 17:49 -0500, Ryan Lortie wrote: hi Bastien, On Thu, 2012-01-19 at 22:38 +, Bastien Nocera wrote: commit

Re: [gnome-settings-daemon] datetime: Remove datetime D-Bus mechanism

2012-01-20 Thread Bastien Nocera
On Fri, 2012-01-20 at 10:29 -0500, Ryan Lortie wrote: snip and get them to package up the missing bits. An afternoon's work, and no need to scream bloody murder. As mentioned above -- Lennart has no intention of making it easy to use his code outside of systemd (and I don't blame him).

Re: [gnome-settings-daemon] datetime: Remove datetime D-Bus mechanism

2012-01-20 Thread Bastien Nocera
On 20 Jan 2012, at 17:21, Sebastien Bacher seb...@ubuntu.com wrote: Le 20/01/2012 17:50, Bastien Nocera a écrit : In about 40 minutes, I created a binary RPM[1] that contains the 3 services we care about in GNOME from the systemd Fedora package. I believe you do something similar. Thanks

Re: libwacom dep

2012-01-06 Thread Bastien Nocera
On Fri, 2011-12-16 at 22:44 +0100, Frederic Peters wrote: Hey Bastien, FYI, moved the git repo to be under the linuxwacom project in sourceforge (one of the few still there I guess, updated in ), and made a tarball release: https://sourceforge.net/projects/linuxwacom/files/libwacom/

libwacom dep

2011-12-16 Thread Bastien Nocera
FYI, moved the git repo to be under the linuxwacom project in sourceforge (one of the few still there I guess, updated in ), and made a tarball release: https://sourceforge.net/projects/linuxwacom/files/libwacom/ Cheers ___ desktop-devel-list mailing

Re: extensions.gnome.org - Public Alpha Now Available

2011-12-01 Thread Bastien Nocera
Em Thu, 2011-12-01 às 16:16 -0500, Jasper St. Pierre escreveu: We're happy to announce that extensions.gnome.org is now in public alpha testing at: https://extensions.gnome.org snip Known Bugs and Problems === * There are some bugs that currently cause the browser

Re: gnome-terminal profiles improvement

2011-11-16 Thread Bastien Nocera
On Tue, 2011-11-15 at 13:56 +0100, Julien Blanc wrote: Hi, First of all, i apologize if it's not the good list to discuss about this, but i couldn’t find a list more specifically related to gnome-terminal features. Patches should be sent to http://bugzilla.gnome.org I find current

Re: RFC: Securing maintainer uploads to master.gnome.org

2011-11-11 Thread Bastien Nocera
On Fri, 2011-11-11 at 10:17 -0500, Matthias Clasen wrote: On Fri, Nov 11, 2011 at 4:59 AM, Olav Vitters o...@vitters.nl wrote: On Thu, Nov 10, 2011 at 10:21:17PM -0500, Ray Strode wrote: On Thu, Nov 10, 2011 at 6:47 AM, Olav Vitters o...@vitters.nl wrote: 3. Access is determined using doap

Re: RFC: Securing maintainer uploads to master.gnome.org

2011-11-11 Thread Bastien Nocera
On Fri, 2011-11-11 at 10:44 -0500, Matthias Clasen wrote: What do you suggest then? 1. Let anyone with git.gnome.org upload any tarball they want 2. Let selected people upload any tarball they want; handled by accou...@gnome.org. 3. Only maintainers, release team I think

Broken media keys in gnome-settings-daemon master?

2011-11-08 Thread Bastien Nocera
Time to get your X server fixed! Those 2 patches are necessary to fix XInput2 grabs and ungrabs: https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=42298 http://cgit.freedesktop.org/xorg/xserver/commit/?h=server-1.11-branchid=347f5610ca023fb31485aa19c20607af8bf9c834 The 2nd patch is already in X.org

Re: Support vala plugins in gnome-settings-daemon

2011-11-07 Thread Bastien Nocera
On Mon, 2011-11-07 at 14:14 +0100, Timo Kluck wrote: Dear gnome-developers, I've started a branch to allow writing plugins for gnome-settings-daemon in Vala. We use the gnomecc list (copied) for gnome-settings-daemon and gnome-control-center development, or you can find us on #control-center

Re: Features !

2011-10-06 Thread Bastien Nocera
On Thu, 2011-10-06 at 16:54 +0200, Rodrigo Moya wrote: On jue, 2011-10-06 at 10:49 -0400, Jasper St. Pierre wrote: On Thu, Oct 6, 2011 at 10:36 AM, Rodrigo Moya rodr...@gnome-db.org wrote: On jue, 2011-10-06 at 10:31 +0100, Martyn Russell wrote: - Integration with thunderbird in the

Re: Using Bugzilla for freeze break requests?

2011-09-23 Thread Bastien Nocera
On Fri, 2011-09-23 at 09:40 +0200, Olav Vitters wrote: On Thu, Sep 22, 2011 at 10:44:32PM +0100, Bastien Nocera wrote: I think that, at the very least for GNOME 3.4 onwards, we should switch to using a keyword in bugzilla, and the release-team, docs team and i18n teams can monitor newly

Using Bugzilla for freeze break requests?

2011-09-22 Thread Bastien Nocera
Heya, After having to send in another code freeze break request e-mail, I realised that the process is problematic. Apart from the release team and the patch sender, nobody else knows about the freeze break request, or about the status of the request. I think that, at the very least for GNOME

Re: Using Bugzilla for freeze break requests?

2011-09-22 Thread Bastien Nocera
On Thu, 2011-09-22 at 22:44 +0100, Bastien Nocera wrote: Heya, After having to send in another code freeze break request e-mail, I realised that the process is problematic. Apart from the release team and the patch sender, nobody else knows about the freeze break request, or about

Re: Using Bugzilla for freeze break requests?

2011-09-22 Thread Bastien Nocera
On Thu, 2011-09-22 at 18:28 -0400, Matthias Clasen wrote: On Thu, Sep 22, 2011 at 5:44 PM, Bastien Nocera had...@hadess.net wrote: Heya, After having to send in another code freeze break request e-mail, I realised that the process is problematic. Apart from the release team

Re: Full screen color management

2011-09-06 Thread Bastien Nocera
On Tue, 2011-09-06 at 12:26 +0100, Richard Hughes wrote: GNOME 3.2 is polishing up nicely, but some of us have twitchy fingers and are looking forward to 3.4. One of my goals is to complete the desktop color management work, and bring OSX-style full screen color management to the GNOME

Re: Confused about the release

2011-09-02 Thread Bastien Nocera
On Fri, 2011-09-02 at 11:40 +0200, Piñeiro wrote: On 09/01/2011 03:49 PM, Bastien Nocera wrote: As for the OSK, I don't think we'll have time to integrate this properly for GNOME 3.2, unless Dan does magic soon. We already have a UI for setting up the OSK, but things get very complicated

Re: Confused about the release

2011-09-01 Thread Bastien Nocera
On Thu, 2011-09-01 at 09:22 -0400, Shaun McCance wrote: On Thu, 2011-09-01 at 11:25 +0200, Frederic Peters wrote: Shaun wrote: I noticed that we have Contacts, Documents, and Sushi in the apps moduleset. If shipped, all of these are just core parts of the desktop experience, so I want

Re: GNOME 3.2 Blocker Report for week 35

2011-09-01 Thread Bastien Nocera
On Thu, 2011-09-01 at 18:50 +0200, Andre Klapper wrote: Data taken from Bugzilla (bug reports with GNOME Target field set): https://bugzilla.gnome.org/buglist.cgi?bug_status=UNCONFIRMEDbug_status=NEWbug_status=ASSIGNEDbug_status=REOPENEDbug_status=NEEDINFOcf_gnome_target=3.2 Total number: 15

Re: GNOME 3.2 Blocker Report for week 35

2011-09-01 Thread Bastien Nocera
On Thu, 2011-09-01 at 19:01 +0200, Andre Klapper wrote: On Thu, 2011-09-01 at 17:56 +0100, Bastien Nocera wrote: gnome-control-center: Network: custom connections don't show up in the list https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=645094 There is an old patch by hadess available

Re: Formal complaint concerning the use of the name System Settings by GNOME

2011-08-01 Thread Bastien Nocera
Hello Ben, On Fri, 2011-07-22 at 20:21 +1200, Ben Cooksley wrote: To all concerned developers, As you may or may not be aware, the name System Settings for an application is currently in use by KDE. A recent renaming by your GNOME control center developers to this name creates a naming

Re: GNOME user survey 2011 (v2)

2011-08-01 Thread Bastien Nocera
On Mon, 2011-08-01 at 18:35 +0300, Felipe Contreras wrote: Hi, After going through all the feedback, here's the second version of the proposed survey. There is a proposal to delay the survey until 3.2 is released, to try to avoid some of the initial negative feedback of 3.0, I guess. If

no external panels for gnome-control-center [was Re: GNOME Feature Proposal: Backup]

2011-07-15 Thread Bastien Nocera
On Tue, 2011-05-10 at 20:51 +0100, Bastien Nocera wrote: On Tue, 2011-05-10 at 15:49 +0200, Michael Terry wrote: Hello! You may remember me as the bloke that proposed the Déjà Dup backup tool as a GNOME module a little back, right as modules were being reorganized. I've been

Re: Epiphany now Linux-only (was: [epiphany] Require NetworkManager)

2011-06-24 Thread Bastien Nocera
On Fri, 2011-06-24 at 14:52 +0200, Xan wrote: On Fri, Jun 24, 2011 at 8:48 AM, Jasper Lievisse Adriaanse jas...@humppa.nl wrote: Hi, I'm quite worried about this change... You are aware you have just made Epiphany a Linux-only webbrowser? There is no NM support for any of the BSD nor

Re: goobox 2.90.1

2011-06-07 Thread Bastien Nocera
On Mon, 2011-06-06 at 23:14 +0200, Paolo Bacchilega wrote: goobox 2.90.1 is now available for download at: snip * Use symbolic icons * Prefer the dark theme Why? Goobox certainly isn't the type of application we would want using a dark theme. It's not presenting video, or images, so it

Re: Media Sharing Feature extension proposal: Play To

2011-05-25 Thread Bastien Nocera
On Wed, 2011-05-25 at 07:55 +0200, Jens Georg wrote: Hi, What I would like to propose is something in the lines of less open DLNA sharing. This is a feature on top of Rygel. It would be similar to the Play to feature of Windows 7, where you can right-click on a file and send it to

Re: Media Sharing Feature extension proposal: Play To

2011-05-25 Thread Bastien Nocera
On Wed, 2011-05-25 at 17:10 +0300, Zeeshan Ali (Khattak) wrote: Hi, On Wed, May 25, 2011 at 1:30 PM, Bastien Nocera had...@hadess.net wrote: The functionality is interesting, and I would think that integrating it in nautilus-sendto would probably be a good idea, but nautilus-sendto

Re: Media Sharing Feature extension proposal: Play To

2011-05-25 Thread Bastien Nocera
On Wed, 2011-05-25 at 18:08 +0200, Johannes Schmid wrote: Hi! I talked to the designers who had shown interest in the past on designs for Sharing feature and it seems that none of them have any time to do any designs for this any time soon. I'm just afraid that if we wait on our

Re: gnome-power-manager 3.0.2

2011-05-23 Thread Bastien Nocera
On Mon, 2011-05-23 at 10:22 +0100, Richard Hughes wrote: On 23 May 2011 10:18, Richard Hughes install-mod...@master.gnome.org wrote: http://download.gnome.org/sources/gnome-power-manager/3.0/gnome-power-manager-3.0.2.tar.gz (4.81M) I've noticed that mails are being now sent automatically

Re: 3.2 features: login screen

2011-05-20 Thread Bastien Nocera
On Fri, 2011-05-20 at 08:02 -0400, Matthias Clasen wrote: Over the past week, I've been working with Ray on fleshing out the plans for gdm in 3.2. We are aiming for 2 things for 3.2: - A new 'shell-style' greeter. You can see a mockup on the feature page. Will the UI be something that can

Re: 3.2 features: login screen

2011-05-20 Thread Bastien Nocera
On Fri, 2011-05-20 at 15:19 +0200, Luca Ferretti wrote: Il giorno ven, 20/05/2011 alle 08.02 -0400, Matthias Clasen ha scritto: - An 'initial-setup' tool. The goal here is to allow setting up a few essential things on a new system before you start to use it for the first time. I

Re: systemd as external dependency

2011-05-19 Thread Bastien Nocera
On Thu, 2011-05-19 at 10:18 -0400, Michael Terry wrote: On 19 May 2011 09:19, Lennart Poettering mzta...@0pointer.de wrote: (also, all big distributions but one have announced their plans to switch to systemd by now) Hopefully it's easy to see how such comments (and the way it's phrased

Re: systemd as external dependency

2011-05-19 Thread Bastien Nocera
On Thu, 2011-05-19 at 13:09 -0400, Michael Terry wrote: On 19 May 2011 11:17, Jason D. Clinton m...@jasonclinton.com wrote: On Thu, May 19, 2011 at 10:02, Michael Terry m...@mterry.name wrote: True. I guess I'm really just interested in an official answer to What are the criteria for

Re: systemd as external dependency

2011-05-18 Thread Bastien Nocera
On Wed, 2011-05-18 at 14:09 +0200, Lennart Poettering wrote: Heya, I'd like to propose systemd (GPL2+, http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/systemd) as blessed external dependency for GNOME 3.2. Currently the interfacing between GNOME and systemd is minimal. Bastien has been

Re: systemd as external dependency

2011-05-18 Thread Bastien Nocera
On Wed, 2011-05-18 at 14:46 -0500, Federico Mena Quintero wrote: On Wed, 2011-05-18 at 14:09 +0200, Lennart Poettering wrote: [setting the hostname and other little interfaces] In the long run I expect the following additional interfaces used by GNOME or one of its components: - I am

Re: First release of geocode-glib available

2011-05-17 Thread Bastien Nocera
On Tue, 2011-05-17 at 09:21 +0300, Alberto Mardegan wrote: On 05/16/2011 01:42 PM, Bastien Nocera wrote: On Sun, 2011-05-15 at 12:44 +0300, Alberto Mardegan wrote: On 05/14/2011 11:24 PM, Bastien Nocera wrote: The fact that we have only one implementation means that we have one well

Re: First release of geocode-glib available

2011-05-17 Thread Bastien Nocera
On Mon, 2011-05-16 at 09:37 -0500, Ted Gould wrote: On Sat, 2011-05-14 at 21:24 +0100, Bastien Nocera wrote: On Wed, 2011-05-11 at 10:20 +0200, Ted Gould wrote: On Mon, 2011-05-09 at 16:52 +0100, Bastien Nocera wrote: This library should be used in place of Geoclue's D-Bus API

Re: New module proposal: LightDM

2011-05-17 Thread Bastien Nocera
On Wed, 2011-05-18 at 04:03 +0200, Robert Ancell wrote: On 17 May 2011 11:37, Fernando Herrera fherr...@onirica.com wrote: Hi, On Tue, May 17, 2011 at 7:01 AM, Robert Ancell robert.anc...@gmail.com wrote: So, how? I mean, currently I don't see anycode on lighDM for this. Are you

Re: New module proposal: LightDM

2011-05-17 Thread Bastien Nocera
On Tue, 2011-05-17 at 12:31 -0500, Brian Cameron wrote: Shaun: So the question here is not Does LightDM better serve the needs of some GNOME-based operating systems? The question is simply Should LightDM replace GDM as the display manager for GNOME? Perhaps I am confused, but I

Re: no external panels for gnome-control-center [was Re: GNOME Feature Proposal: Backup]

2011-05-16 Thread Bastien Nocera
On Mon, 2011-05-16 at 11:31 +0200, Rodrigo Moya wrote: On Wed, 2011-05-11 at 11:55 +0100, Bastien Nocera wrote: On Wed, 2011-05-11 at 07:32 +0200, Michael Terry wrote: So as the Deja Dup maintainer, life will go on when you drop support. Worst case, I can just make the panel a dialog

Re: New module proposal: LightDM

2011-05-16 Thread Bastien Nocera
On Sun, 2011-05-15 at 13:30 -0500, Brian Cameron wrote: Bastien: snip I'll repeat what I said in the past. Solaris developers will need to write some code at some point, or just give up. We can't stand around waiting for them to make a move when we want to better the functionality of

Re: Feature Proposal - Sushi

2011-05-16 Thread Bastien Nocera
On Sun, 2011-05-15 at 21:50 +0200, Olav Vitters wrote: On Thu, May 12, 2011 at 11:15:02PM +0100, Allan Day wrote: Sounds like it should be both a new feature and a part of GNOME core. It would be great to be able to introduce it as a feature in 3.2. I've started a feature page here [1].

Re: First release of geocode-glib available

2011-05-16 Thread Bastien Nocera
On Sun, 2011-05-15 at 12:44 +0300, Alberto Mardegan wrote: On 05/14/2011 11:24 PM, Bastien Nocera wrote: The fact that we have only one implementation means that we have one well maintained implementation. I don't think it's much of a problem. Do you have particular reasons why you think

Re: release-team-lurkers: for people who can read and not respond

2011-05-16 Thread Bastien Nocera
On Mon, 2011-05-16 at 13:37 +0200, Olav Vitters wrote: The release-team mailing list is intended for private discussions between release-team members. It should not be interesting as anything that is important, we'll either announce or bring to an appropriate mailing list. The release-team

Re: release-team-lurkers: for people who can read and not respond

2011-05-16 Thread Bastien Nocera
On Mon, 2011-05-16 at 13:56 +0200, Olav Vitters wrote: On Mon, May 16, 2011 at 12:45:10PM +0100, Bastien Nocera wrote: Note that release-team-lurkers is a test. We will remove the entire mailing list if we think it has a bad effect. You could also have made the mailing-list private

Re: Feature Proposal - Sushi

2011-05-16 Thread Bastien Nocera
On Mon, 2011-05-16 at 16:15 +0100, Justin Joseph wrote: As for the look and feel, can you be more precise? Are you saying e.g. Sushi should not use a custom/dark theme if the application counterpart doesn't? The UI chrome for Sushi is *very*

Re: language/locale selector [was: Re: Settings downstream would reasonably want to add]

2011-05-16 Thread Bastien Nocera
On Mon, 2011-05-16 at 20:20 +0200, Lennart Poettering wrote: On Mon, 16.05.11 18:44, Ross Burton (r...@burtonini.com) wrote: On 16 May 2011 18:22, Lennart Poettering mzta...@0pointer.de wrote: conmann also does geoloc? Is there something it doesn't do? Sounds almost as crazy as

Re: language/locale selector [was: Re: Settings downstream would reasonably want to add]

2011-05-15 Thread Bastien Nocera
On Sat, 2011-05-14 at 12:31 +0200, Martin Pitt wrote: Hello Matthias, Dave, Matthias Clasen [2011-05-13 8:33 -0400]: * Language Selector, which allows you to configure your language and fallbacks ($LANGUAGE/$LC_MESSAGES), locale ($LANG), list of installed languages (packages

Re: no external panels for gnome-control-center [was GNOME Feature Proposal: Backup]

2011-05-14 Thread Bastien Nocera
On Sat, 2011-05-14 at 12:58 +0200, Luca Ferretti wrote: Il giorno Fri, 13/05/2011 alle 18.26 +0100, Bastien Nocera ha scritto: The correct way to behave then is to work on the search backends, not to complain here. You have misinterpreted my words; It wasn't a complain for that specific

Re: First release of geocode-glib available

2011-05-14 Thread Bastien Nocera
On Wed, 2011-05-11 at 10:20 +0200, Ted Gould wrote: On Mon, 2011-05-09 at 16:52 +0100, Bastien Nocera wrote: This library should be used in place of Geoclue's D-Bus API for geocoding and reverse geocoding. Is this now deprecated in the Geoclue API? Pretty much, though I can hardly tell

Re: Firewall configuration [was Re: no external panels for gnome-control-center]

2011-05-13 Thread Bastien Nocera
On Fri, 2011-05-13 at 08:58 +0200, Frederic Peters wrote: Bastien Nocera wrote: Feel free to follow the discussions about firewalls on the fedora-desktop list. (...) Shouldn't we try to have an appropriate @gnome.org list to discuss such things (os level), if we consider that *desktop

Re: no external panels for gnome-control-center [was GNOME Feature Proposal: Backup]

2011-05-13 Thread Bastien Nocera
On Fri, 2011-05-13 at 18:44 +0200, Luca Ferretti wrote: 2011/5/13 Luca Ferretti lferr...@gnome.org: Bonus question: are you sure this all work happens upstream can lead to better and faster solutions? I forgot a little example for this: 3 years ago I wrote a trivial patch to add a Search

Re: New module proposal: LightDM

2011-05-13 Thread Bastien Nocera
On Fri, 2011-05-13 at 13:43 -0500, Brian Cameron wrote: Robert: I am one of the 3 GDM maintainers. I think there is a real need for LightDM as a FreeDesktop module, so I think it is great that LightDM has joined the FreeDesktop family. GDM has evolved into a display manager that is most

Re: Open containing folder for all apps

2011-05-13 Thread Bastien Nocera
On Sat, 2011-05-14 at 12:13 +1200, John Stowers wrote: On Fri, 2011-05-13 at 10:05 +0100, Calum Benson wrote: On 11 May 2011, at 17:52, Federico Mena Quintero wrote: One detail of Open if file manager is that it is trivial to make apps call nautilus --blahblah, but ideally this should

Re: no external panels for gnome-control-center [was Re: GNOME Feature Proposal: Backup]

2011-05-12 Thread Bastien Nocera
On Thu, 2011-05-12 at 09:37 +0200, Ted Gould wrote: On Wed, 2011-05-11 at 02:15 +0200, Luca Ferretti wrote: Il giorno mar, 10/05/2011 alle 20.51 +0100, Bastien Nocera ha scritto: http://live.gnome.org/DejaDup/Screenshots/Future for screenshots. Déjà Dup 19.1, which includes those changes

Re: no external panels for gnome-control-center [was Re: GNOME Feature Proposal: Backup]

2011-05-12 Thread Bastien Nocera
On Thu, 2011-05-12 at 16:21 +0200, Milan Bouchet-Valat wrote: Le jeudi 12 mai 2011 à 13:48 +0200, Gendre Sebastien a écrit : System-config-* are not only one: Lirc settings? Boot (Grub+Plymouth) settings, etc. Recently, I read in Phoronix that AMD want to add the support of all these

Re: no external panels for gnome-control-center [was Re: GNOME Feature Proposal: Backup]

2011-05-12 Thread Bastien Nocera
On Thu, 2011-05-12 at 16:02 +0100, Allan Day wrote: On Thu, 2011-05-12 at 16:44 +0200, Dave Neary wrote: Hi, Bastien Nocera wrote: On Thu, 2011-05-12 at 09:37 +0200, Ted Gould wrote: Could someone please articulate the GNOME position for downstream distributors of GNOME

Re: no external panels for gnome-control-center [was Re: GNOME Feature Proposal: Backup]

2011-05-12 Thread Bastien Nocera
On Thu, 2011-05-12 at 16:50 +0200, Dave Neary wrote: Hi, Colin Walters wrote: On Thu, May 12, 2011 at 3:27 AM, Dave Neary dne...@gnome.org wrote: If we hard-code what GNOME supports into the design, when the needs evolve then we need a centralised decision for each new need. Better to

Re: no external panels for gnome-control-center [was GNOME Feature Proposal: Backup]

2011-05-12 Thread Bastien Nocera
On Fri, 2011-05-13 at 02:00 +0200, Luca Ferretti wrote: Il giorno gio, 12/05/2011 alle 19.12 -0400, Matthias Clasen ha scritto: This is really starting to drift into a highly emotional and non-productive direction. I'm not emotional, just a little overemphatic :) Not allowing random

Re: no external panels for gnome-control-center [was GNOME Feature Proposal: Backup]

2011-05-12 Thread Bastien Nocera
On Thu, 2011-05-12 at 17:12 -0700, Dylan McCall wrote: I wasn't intending to jump into this because it has become vastly tangential and there's a pretty unhappy signal to noise ratio already. So, I realize I might be totally misunderstanding this. If I sound accusatory or anything, it's purely

Re: Firewall configuration [was Re: no external panels for gnome-control-center]

2011-05-12 Thread Bastien Nocera
On Thu, 2011-05-12 at 20:06 -0400, Shaun McCance wrote: On Thu, 2011-05-12 at 18:14 -0400, David Zeuthen wrote: Why? Because the premise of System Settings in GNOME 3 is, surprisingly, to change your system settings or personalize the experience. E.g. we think it genuinely makes sense to

Re: no external panels for gnome-control-center [was Re: GNOME Feature Proposal: Backup]

2011-05-11 Thread Bastien Nocera
On Wed, 2011-05-11 at 11:02 +1000, Danielle Madeley wrote: On Wed, 2011-05-11 at 01:27 +0100, Bastien Nocera wrote: #1 -- was this announced/proposed to desktop-devel-list? No, because it was only made for one particular module (gnome-bluetooth), and by me. The reason we had

Re: no external panels for gnome-control-center [was Re: GNOME Feature Proposal: Backup]

2011-05-11 Thread Bastien Nocera
On Wed, 2011-05-11 at 10:14 +0200, Rodrigo Moya wrote: On Wed, 2011-05-11 at 07:32 +0200, Michael Terry wrote: So as the Deja Dup maintainer, life will go on when you drop support. Worst case, I can just make the panel a dialog. But dropping the existing API feels like a frustrating bait

Re: GNOME Feature Proposal: Backup

2011-05-11 Thread Bastien Nocera
On Wed, 2011-05-11 at 10:16 +0200, Rodrigo Moya wrote: On Tue, 2011-05-10 at 20:51 +0100, Bastien Nocera wrote: I suspect GNOME might be interested in having a backup story so I'm offering this one. And I'd be happy to have increased design advice and developer eyeballs. I'd really

Re: GNOME Feature Proposal: Backup

2011-05-11 Thread Bastien Nocera
On Wed, 2011-05-11 at 10:03 +0200, Dave Neary wrote: Hi, Michael Terry wrote: My plans have always been aimed at personal data only, with any support for whole-system backup as a nice bonus. There are technical issues there like if you hit a file the user doesn't have read support

Re: no external panels for gnome-control-center [was Re: GNOME Feature Proposal: Backup]

2011-05-11 Thread Bastien Nocera
On Wed, 2011-05-11 at 13:05 +0200, Guillaume Desmottes wrote: Le mercredi 11 mai 2011 à 11:47 +0100, Bastien Nocera a écrit : On Wed, 2011-05-11 at 11:02 +1000, Danielle Madeley wrote: On Wed, 2011-05-11 at 01:27 +0100, Bastien Nocera wrote: #1 -- was this announced/proposed

Re: Open containing folder for all apps

2011-05-11 Thread Bastien Nocera
On Tue, 2011-05-10 at 22:58 +0200, Milan Bouchet-Valat wrote: Le mardi 10 mai 2011 à 19:13 +0100, Bastien Nocera a écrit : So, what do you think? The patches for apps should be pretty small, and they really provide much better circulation within your files. And applications that can

Re: Open containing folder for all apps

2011-05-11 Thread Bastien Nocera
On Tue, 2011-05-10 at 17:16 -0500, Federico Mena Quintero wrote: On Tue, 2011-05-10 at 19:13 +0100, Bastien Nocera wrote: And applications that can send out files, could also add a little menu item to send it out using nautilus-sendto (the API there being nautilus-sendto filename

Re: GNOME Feature Proposal: Backup

2011-05-11 Thread Bastien Nocera
On Wed, 2011-05-11 at 10:18 -0400, Nicolas Dufresne wrote: Le mercredi 11 mai 2011 à 12:16 +0100, Bastien Nocera a écrit : FWIW, this is exactly the use-case I'm missing. I would like to copy my personal data to an external hard drive, remote server or cloud storage service, so

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