Re: gpgme requirement for seahorse

2007-02-13 Thread Elijah Newren
On 2/11/07, Nickolay V. Shmyrev [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I supspect http://live.gnome.org/TwoPointSeventeen/ExternalDependencies should be updated because seahorse doesn't build without gpgme. Yes, done. Thanks for pointing this out. ___

Time for the annual bugzilla statistics (just a tad over a month late...)

2007-02-04 Thread Elijah Newren
: 8371 Andre Klapper 6258 Karsten Bräckelmann 1857 Susana 1534 Bruno Boaventura 1514 Elijah Newren 1160 Christian Kirbach The following people reported more than 250 bugs in 2006: 599 Sebastien Bacher 487 Christian Persch 259 Wouter Bolsterlee 252 Bastien Nocera

Re: Time for the annual bugzilla statistics (just a tad over a month late...)

2007-02-04 Thread Elijah Newren
On 2/4/07, Hans Petter Jansson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Overall statistics: Current open reports: 26942 (*) Opened in 2006: 67543 Closed in 2006: 59006 Of the bugs closed, 73149 were marked as duplicates Congratulations to all the hard-working people involved! Why

Re: Cairo-1.2.6 required

2007-01-31 Thread Elijah Newren
On 1/31/07, Carl Worth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Though I am still a bit confused as to what's going on with cairo versions in the freedesktop-2.x.y.modules files here: http://ftp.gnome.org/pub/GNOME/teams/releng/ Here are the things I see: Gnome version cairo version 2.16.1

Re: Cairo-1.2.6 required

2007-01-31 Thread Elijah Newren
On 1/31/07, Carl Worth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks for confirming. That's what I wanted to make sure, that GNOME testers were actually testing the snapshots of cairo that we're making in preparation for providing cairo 1.4 for GNOME 2.18. Now, as we continue to make new snapshots, (I

Re: Cairo-1.2.6 required

2007-01-23 Thread Elijah Newren
On 1/23/07, Kjartan Maraas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: tir, 23.01.2007 kl. 00.00 +, skrev Chris Wilson: Hi, today I had the misfortunate to experience a crash with gnome-terminal. Fortunately Carl Worth was on irc at the time and was able to diagnose the problem as a known crash

Re: Cairo-1.2.6 required

2007-01-23 Thread Elijah Newren
On 1/23/07, Carl Worth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What's far enough ahead of GNOME 2.18.0 mean precisely? It doesn't have a precise meaning, actually. It's basically GNOME 2.6.0 was burned by depending on GTK 2.4.0, which was a low-level library not on the GNOME release cycle and released far too

Re: recommended D-Bus version for GNOME releases

2007-01-22 Thread Elijah Newren
On 1/22/07, John (J5) Palmieri [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi guys, I was going over the GNOME release and noticed we are still using 0.93. Not only is this a non supported version upstream it contains a denial of service exploit CVE-2006-6107 - match rules can be removed by apps that did not

Re: [ANNOUNCE] Clutter 0.2.0

2007-01-18 Thread Elijah Newren
On 1/18/07, Emmanuele Bassi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: good news everyone! This looks awesome, congrats Emmanuele! However, as noted at http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/desktop-devel-list, announcements are probably better just sent to gnome-announce-list instead of desktop-devel-list.

Re: RTL support in Gnome

2007-01-16 Thread Elijah Newren
[Removing some of the cc's; it just looked like too many] On 1/16/07, Yair Hershkovitz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've been working lately on some bugs with RTL (right to left languages) support in Gnome. I have few suggestions to help improve RTL support in Gnome: 1) I want to start a

Re: Proposed suite: developer tools

2007-01-10 Thread Elijah Newren
On 1/8/07, Vincent Untz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is a thread about the whole suite. This is not about glade3, or anjuta, or monodevelop, or devhelp. The question is: is this suite a good idea or a bad idea? As with the others, I like the idea in general. Another question: Should we hold

Re: Proposed module: anjuta

2007-01-10 Thread Elijah Newren
On 1/10/07, Murray Cumming [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 2007-01-10 at 10:04 -0500, Tristan Van Berkom wrote: Many modules in gnome may have arbitrarily chosen to use this version numbering scheme - personally I like it, nowhere have I seen it enforced or even officially preffered.

Re: Subversion migration finished

2007-01-03 Thread Elijah Newren
On 1/3/07, Hubert Figuiere [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On my Debian based system I have 'cvschroot' that allow changing the CVS/Root for the tree. It is in a package named cvsutils It should be available in whatever distro you are using. There's a similar script that comes with jhbuild, FWIW.

Re: GNOME git repositories?

2006-12-29 Thread Elijah Newren
On 12/29/06, Andrew Cowie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 2006-12-27 at 10:11 -0700, Elijah Newren wrote: Someone should start a project named 'Harmony' Did you know that Harmony is the name... Yes, I am fully aware of that, and of another previous use of that name; it was actually

Re: GNOME git repositories?

2006-12-27 Thread Elijah Newren
On 12/27/06, Hubert Figuiere [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thomas Thurman wrote: 1) Launchpad already knows about all the GNOME projects. Would it be possible to use Rosetta actually on Launchpad just for the translation part of each project? (From my limited knowledge of Launchpad, I think it

Re: gedit wants enchant (Was: Re: GEdit wants enchant)

2006-12-19 Thread Elijah Newren
Sorry for being slow to respond; I was swamped earlier with other stuff... On 12/5/06, Paolo Maggi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi guys, nowadays (http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=365899#c20), gedit depends on Enchant for its spell checker plugin. This dependency can be eliminated by

Re: 2.18 proposed modules: i18n evaluation

2006-12-16 Thread Elijah Newren
On 12/12/06, Danilo Šegan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all, This is my evaluation (with GTP spokesperson hat on) of the Gnome modules which are proposed for inclusion in 2.18. It's based only on the perceived localizability of the app, usually untested, but judging by the strings in the PO

Re: [bug-buddy]: Custom scripts for your application

2006-11-30 Thread Elijah Newren
Hi Brian, On 11/30/06, Brian Cameron [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So info for the paranoia user? Well, it is going to a public bugtracker. This probably should be made clearer so that user can just cancel/disable the entire bug-buddy. I think it is good to document how this works so that

Re: Auto-hide panel fails to unhide on drag and drop

2006-11-09 Thread Elijah Newren
On 11/9/06, Todd Chambery [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all, Another issue with the auto hide panel: When I drag a document off the desktop to the panel, the panel doesn't unhide unless I move to the space between the Show Desktop button and the Window List. I want to raise and focus the

Re: gnome-system-monitor (temporarily) reverted to gnome-2-16 for GNOME 2.17.x

2006-10-28 Thread Elijah Newren
On 10/27/06, Benoît Dejean [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Please don't do that. I'm very disappointed : why haven't you talk to me before doing that ? I would have explained. I was about to ask for help for autotools... It's only temporary, and warning was already given that we'd do this[1].

Re: external dependencies: liboil

2006-10-28 Thread Elijah Newren
On 10/28/06, Joseph E. Sacco, Ph.D. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The current version of liboil is 0.3.9 released May06. Version 0.3.9 contains mostly bug fixes and no new API: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/liboil/2006-May/95.html Do you think the recommended version of liboil at

gnome-system-monitor (temporarily) reverted to gnome-2-16 for GNOME 2.17.x

2006-10-26 Thread Elijah Newren
Hi Benoit, It looks like you recently added a dependency on pcre to gnome-system-monitor. Since this isn't one of the approved external dependencies at http://live.gnome.org/TwoPointSeventeen/ExternalDependencies, I have (temporarily) reverted gnome-system-monitor to the gnome-2-16 branch.

Re: Announcing GNOME Network Proxy Resolver

2006-10-26 Thread Elijah Newren
On 10/25/06, Alexey Rusakov [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bastien Nocera wrote: GNOME Network Proxy Resolver provides proxy lookup with PAC support via DBUS. This allows other programmes to support the Automatic proxy configuration option from GNOME control centre's Network Preferences without

Re: Notifications for build release issues: gnome-control-center

2006-10-26 Thread Elijah Newren
On 10/21/06, Andreas Røsdal [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sat, 21 Oct 2006, Elijah Newren wrote: On 10/21/06, Andreas Røsdal [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Related to this discussion, I have a question: Is it OK to depend upon the dependencies of the currently listed external dependencies

Re: Proposal: gnome-main-menu for inclusion in GNOME 2.18

2006-10-23 Thread Elijah Newren
On 10/23/06, Alan Horkan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It would be nice if proposed modules could be included in odd numbered releases without first fully accepting it so as to help when it comes to testing and evaluation See also

Re: User Documentation Requirements

2006-10-23 Thread Elijah Newren
On 10/23/06, Shaun McCance [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: For those who don't keep archives or have broken threading: http://mail.gnome.org/archives/desktop-devel-list/2006-October/msg00232.html Are there any further thoughts about this? I already gave my $0.02 about that. :-) Since I think

Re: Notifications for build release issues: gnome-control-center

2006-10-21 Thread Elijah Newren
On 10/20/06, Davyd Madeley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In many respects, jhbuild _is_ the dependency tree for building GNOME. A mode like `jhbuild list` will give you a list of packages you need to build. It would be easily possible to put the output of this command on a webpage if people thought

Re: Notifications for build release issues: gnome-control-center

2006-10-21 Thread Elijah Newren
On 10/21/06, Andreas Røsdal [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Related to this discussion, I have a question: Is it OK to depend upon the dependencies of the currently listed external dependencies for GNOME 2.17.x? I think we should instead try to make the list more complete. If you can point out a

Re: Notifications for build release issues: gnome-control-center

2006-10-21 Thread Elijah Newren
On 10/21/06, Mariano Suárez-Alvarez [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sat, 2006-10-21 at 17:50 -0600, Elijah Newren wrote: The optional dependencies make sense as well, though you won't find all the information you need for that in the jhbuild modulesets (e.g. existing optional dependencies

Re: User Documentation Requirements

2006-10-20 Thread Elijah Newren
On 10/19/06, Shaun McCance [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In the 2.15 release cycle, we moved the new module proposal period to the beginning of the release cycle snip This was an incredibly good idea, and whoever thought of it should get a big pat on the back. IIRC, it was Jeff's idea. And I

Notifications for build release issues: gnome-control-center

2006-10-20 Thread Elijah Newren
Hi Sergey, Apparently the desktop module gnome-control-center has recently been split into two separate modules, with libgswitchit and libkbdraw being pulled out into a separate module named libgnomekbd. I've already misunderstood the change once; so, just to verify, did I summarize the change

Re: Proposal: gnome-main-menu for inclusion in GNOME 2.18

2006-10-20 Thread Elijah Newren
On 10/20/06, Rodney Dawes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, 2006-10-20 at 13:04 -0400, William Jon McCann wrote: Hi Jim, Where should bugs be filed? I don't see a component in gnome bugzilla. I suppose one should be created. Just for the record, you don't e-mail them directly to the

Re: User Documentation Requirements

2006-10-20 Thread Elijah Newren
On 10/20/06, Shaun McCance [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm also half-tempted to try to push 'help' as the standard component name, even though 'docs' is the de facto standard right now. We advise using 'help' as the directory name for user documentation, so it sort of makes sense. (I will also

Re: Proposing Tracker for inclusion into GNOME 2.18

2006-10-19 Thread Elijah Newren
On 10/19/06, Joe Shaw [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I was thinking more along the lines of new APIs in GNOME (not sure if it was platform or desktop). In any case, thanks for the clarification. Yes, modules headed for or already in the platform have additional rules about _API_ documentation (see

Re: Proposing Tracker for inclusion into GNOME 2.18

2006-10-18 Thread Elijah Newren
On 10/18/06, Jamie McCracken [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I know this is a bit late in the hour but I should be in the nick of time as the new modules proposals deadlines ends in a few hours! Actually...as per the release schedule, although freezes are graphically shown as spanning three dates, the

Re: Proposal: NetworkManager for GNOME 2.18.

2006-10-04 Thread Elijah Newren
On 10/3/06, Robert Love [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Let's try this again. I'd like to start the discussion on getting NetworkManager--more explicitly, its GNOME-based applet, nm-applet--into GNOME 2.18. Could you add this to the proposed desktop modules section of

Re: GUnique [Was: gnome-utils branched for GNOME 2.16]

2006-09-24 Thread Elijah Newren
On 9/24/06, Alex Jones [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, list As an alternative to GUnique, you could do the kind of thing Maemo does just by using D-Bus. If just by using D-Bus means what I think it does, then all desktop apps doing so are broken. You need to handle startup-notification too

Re: GUnique [Was: gnome-utils branched for GNOME 2.16]

2006-09-24 Thread Elijah Newren
On 9/24/06, Alex Jones [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, 2006-09-24 at 09:13 -0400, Owen Taylor wrote: Is extensible compatible with hiding the gory details of start-up notification timestamps? I don't know. I don't have a good sense of what a prototypical D-Bus exporting application looks

Re: GUnique [Was: gnome-utils branched for GNOME 2.16]

2006-09-24 Thread Elijah Newren
On 9/24/06, Alex Jones [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is exactly the situation BMPx is in, too. It has pretty cool effects for, say, file managers, too. Consider that gnomevfs.show_uri had the support to read a D-Bus bus-name and object path from a .desktop file for an application, and instead

Re: GUnique [Was: gnome-utils branched for GNOME 2.16]

2006-09-24 Thread Elijah Newren
On 9/24/06, Havoc Pennington [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Though I guess either way, you have essentially zero chance of getting this right without using libstartup-notification ... which might be the bigger picture point. Actually as long as you aren't forking/execing a new process,

Re: GUnique [Was: gnome-utils branched for GNOME 2.16]

2006-09-23 Thread Elijah Newren
On 9/23/06, Steve Frécinaux [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jeff Waugh wrote: Can we use it as-is (or as well-defined cut'n'paste code) in GNOME 2.18 and plan towards migrating to a GTK+ 2.12 version in GNOME 2.20? Let's at least have a plan for it, otherwise we're just adding yet another [as

Re: GUnique [Was: gnome-utils branched for GNOME 2.16]

2006-09-22 Thread Elijah Newren
On 9/22/06, Alexander Larsson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Uhm? Why not use X for IPC? *shrug* I remember that we (Matthias, Vytas, and I) discussed D-Bus, Bonobo, and Bacon (since there were several Gnome applications using each of those for their single-instance mechanism) and X (which Matthias

Re: external dependencies; trolling for more feedback, pushing to make it official ; -)

2006-09-22 Thread Elijah Newren
On 9/22/06, Matthias Clasen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 9/22/06, Rob Bradford [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 2006-09-21 at 16:51 -0600, Elijah Newren wrote: On 9/11/06, Matthias Clasen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The topic came up earlier, and I think there was a general consensus

Re: external dependencies; trolling for more feedback, pushing to make it official ; -)

2006-09-22 Thread Elijah Newren
On 9/22/06, Matthias Clasen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 9/22/06, Joseph E. Sacco, Ph.D. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mattias, I believe that you are correct [for the moment]. I took a quick look through apps in GARNOME-2.16.x dependent up dbus. I found that dbus-0.70, required by

TIME FOR THIS THREAD TO END [Was: Re: International Space Station Images]

2006-09-21 Thread Elijah Newren
This thread is merely wasting everyone's time. If anyone wants to respond, please do so off-list (as I did previously; you can see my email at http://www.gnome.org/~newren/temp/offtopic-email.txt). On 9/21/06, Maxim Udushlivy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I said that this is important to me

Re: gnome-utils branched for GNOME 2.16

2006-09-21 Thread Elijah Newren
On 9/4/06, Emmanuele Bassi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Plans for the 2.17/2.18 cycle (many recycled from the 2.15/2.16 cycle): snip * If available, add single instance support to the Dictionary using the GUnique library; Note that the GUnique library depends on a patch not yet merged into

external dependencies; trolling for more feedback, pushing to make it official ; -)

2006-09-21 Thread Elijah Newren
On 9/11/06, Matthias Clasen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The topic came up earlier, and I think there was a general consensus that it is a good idea to freeze the versions of external dependencies, and use tarball modules for them in the gnome-2.18 moduleset in jhbuild. Due to the feedback

Re: gnome-utils branched for GNOME 2.16

2006-09-21 Thread Elijah Newren
On 9/21/06, Elijah Newren [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 9/4/06, Emmanuele Bassi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Plans for the 2.17/2.18 cycle (many recycled from the 2.15/2.16 cycle): snip * If available, add single instance support to the Dictionary using the GUnique library; Note

Re: gnome-utils branched for GNOME 2.16

2006-09-21 Thread Elijah Newren
Third time's a charm, or so I hope... On 9/21/06, Elijah Newren [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip 2) gnome-power-manager has an example of how to use libguniqueapp in gnome-power-manager/src/gpm-prefs.c, which is a relatively short file. (See bug 357128 first, though!). Other examples can

Re: GUnique [Was: gnome-utils branched for GNOME 2.16]

2006-09-21 Thread Elijah Newren
On 9/21/06, Jeff Waugh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Before recommending that everyone use GUnique, could we define a migration path for it to enter the platform? We really don't need yet another shared library, and yet another module to release, and yet another separate API to learn. Is this API

Re: International Space Station Images

2006-09-19 Thread Elijah Newren
On 9/19/06, Maxim Udushlivy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That was done on purpose due to a strange list inactivity. I am still So you intentionally wasted everyone's time? You're right[1], we do need stronger list moderation. Please don't do that again. hoping to get your replies to other my

Re: Hal version for GNOME 2.17

2006-09-19 Thread Elijah Newren
On 9/19/06, Richard Hughes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, 2006-09-19 at 16:12 +0200, Tshepang Lekhonkhobe wrote: Hi, I just saw on this page http://live.gnome.org/TwoPointSeventeen/ExternalDependencies that the Hal version for GNOME 2.17 is 0.5.7, yet GNOME Power Manager 2.17.1

Re: International Space Station Images

2006-09-19 Thread Elijah Newren
Hi Maxim, I think I probably came across too harshly in my previous email. I'm a bit prickly. Hopefully I do a bit better this time, but, knowing me, no guarantees. ;-) On 9/19/06, Maxim Udushlivy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think it is obvious that Gnome owes to GTK+ its very existence.

Re: external dependencies

2006-09-14 Thread Elijah Newren
Hi David, On 9/13/06, David Zeuthen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's really what audience we want to optimize for. There are (at least) two groups of entities that provide the GNOME experience to users; snip This of course is only one example. I submit this is a trade off and it really depends

Re: external dependencies

2006-09-12 Thread Elijah Newren
On 9/12/06, Christian Persch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I would prefer to use the cvs/svn/whatever modules on the tag corresponding to the release, if it exists. That way you can use your jhbuild checkout to make patches (cvs diff), which is impossible for tarball builds. Slightly more involved

Re: external dependencies

2006-09-12 Thread Elijah Newren
On 9/11/06, Matthias Clasen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Looks good. I'll point out there is a pkgconfig 0.21 now, which we may want to put on that list, but it doesn't make any practical difference. Updated. :) ___ desktop-devel-list mailing list

Re: external dependencies

2006-09-12 Thread Elijah Newren
A combination of responses... So, what's the procedure going to be for requesting GNOME to depend on a new HAL release? I mean, when is the latest point in the release process that modules in GNOME can require new HAL releases - up until now, I just worked with the respective GNOME module

Re: external dependencies

2006-09-12 Thread Elijah Newren
On 9/12/06, David Zeuthen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think I may have come across much too harshly. Sorry about that. On Tue, 2006-09-12 at 21:06 -0600, Elijah Newren wrote: It is much like glibc and Xorg, but there is a bit of a difference here. With hal 0.5.8, you're depending

Re: Is anyone looking at the accounts list? (was Re: Planning Gnome Scan Inclusion)

2006-09-10 Thread Elijah Newren
On 9/10/06, Olav Vitters [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, Sep 10, 2006 at 05:55:48PM +0200, Étienne Bersac wrote: How to use gnome bugzilla for gnomescan ? http://live.gnome.org/Bugsquad/ForMaintainers (should probably be linked more) I added a link to that page from

Re: getting on a longer release cycled

2006-09-07 Thread Elijah Newren
On 9/7/06, Pat Suwalski [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: David Trowbridge wrote: What in particular isn't possible with the 6-month cycle? Nothing's impossible, but a longer cycle every so often would encourage larger and better thought-out changes. I always get the feeling that GNOME contributors

Re: Celebrating the release of GNOME 2.16!

2006-09-06 Thread Elijah Newren
On 9/6/06, Brent Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: rant For the record, the release notes were really a sprint this year - I volunteered to convert the wiki pages to docbook, and ended up committing all the changes to CVS, setting up the build structure, and touching up and uploading all the

Re: control-center branched for 2.16

2006-09-04 Thread Elijah Newren
On 9/4/06, Rodrigo Moya [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: control-center has been branched for 2.16 (gnome-2-16 branch). In HEAD, new development will start, which includes: Don't forget to cc gnome-i18n, release-team, and gnome-doc-list in branch announcements as specified at

Re: hal and jhbuild

2006-08-21 Thread Elijah Newren
On 8/21/06, Rob Bradford [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, 2006-08-20 at 22:03 -0600, Elijah Newren wrote: On 8/20/06, Gustavo J. A. M. Carneiro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And to stop depending on cvs versions of freedesktop.org modules except perhaps in very specific exceptions-to-the-rule

Re: hal and jhbuild

2006-08-20 Thread Elijah Newren
On 8/20/06, Gustavo J. A. M. Carneiro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sáb, 2006-08-19 at 18:57 -0600, Brent Smith wrote: I'm going to commit a change to freedesktop.modules to checkout hal from the tag HAL_0_5_7_1 and add a patch to jhbuild to fix the two instances where dbus_connection_close()

Re: Common knowledge in jhbuild for funny modules

2006-08-09 Thread Elijah Newren
On 8/9/06, Federico Mena Quintero [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Doesn't Debian always build from tarballs? Or are they pulling CVS snapshots? I imagine that tarballs aren't that big of a problem, since they have been at least 'make distcheck'ed and if you are building a .deb or .rpm, you *do*

Re: Common knowledge in jhbuild for funny modules

2006-08-09 Thread Elijah Newren
On 8/9/06, Jonathon Jongsma [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But if I remember correctly, Magnus Therning's struggles (mentioned above and documented on the gnome-love mailing list) were actually trying to build a tarball set (2.15.90 I believe) and he gave up in frustration after several weeks. So

Re: Common knowledge in jhbuild for funny modules

2006-08-08 Thread Elijah Newren
On 8/8/06, Federico Mena Quintero [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: PolicyKit wants to install /lib/security/pamblahblah.so. Since I don't run jhbuild as root, and I definitely don't want it to mess with my system installation, I need to 1. wait for the (already painful) jhbuild process to reach

Re: Panel auto-hide jumping patch

2006-08-07 Thread Elijah Newren
On 8/7/06, Zoran Rilak [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I submitted a patch to bug #171938: http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=171938 The bug caused auto-hidden BOTTOM and RIGHT panels to sometimes realign themselves along the opposite side of the screen when animation was turned on. You

Re: Global keybindings in GNOME

2006-08-06 Thread Elijah Newren
Cc'ing Dan and David, because they brought something like this up at GUADEC (in the mini metacity/compiz meeting, I think?) and I thought they had some good ideas for it. I don't remember the details, though... On 8/6/06, Havoc Pennington [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Nigel Tao wrote: Would it

Re: Winners of today's build breakages

2006-07-26 Thread Elijah Newren
On 7/26/06, Bastien Nocera [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 2006-07-26 at 08:51 +0100, Bastien Nocera wrote: On Tue, 2006-07-25 at 20:40 -0600, Elijah Newren wrote: totem: No new release of totem was made, meaning that the fix in head for using dbus_connection_disconnect() isn't

Re: Putting the 'Mono debate' back on the rails

2006-07-26 Thread Elijah Newren
On 7/26/06, Alex Graveley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This sounds great, and will help Gtk# t be used by many more people! Sorry to add confusion, but how does this help the Tomboy discussion? I'm using gnome-sharp and gconf-sharp. And hopefully the panel APIs in the future (there is a crasher

Re: Call For Help: Roll deskbar-applet 2.15.90.1

2006-07-26 Thread Elijah Newren
On 7/26/06, Nigel Tao [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As previously mentioned, deskbar-applet doesn't build against e-d-s HEAD - there is a trivial patch to d-a attached to http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=347988 which looks good to me (and looks good to others). However, I am running

Re: Baobab

2006-07-26 Thread Elijah Newren
On 7/26/06, Alan Horkan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Inclusion of baobab in gnome-utils http://mail.gnome.org/archives/desktop-devel-list/2006-April/msg00112.html Found using the following google search: site:mail.gnome.org desktop-devel baobab. Nice to see that I'm not the only one who thinks

Patches for scrollkeeper...is scrollkeeper maintained?

2006-07-26 Thread Elijah Newren
Hi, Does scrollkeeper have any maintainers? I just found out about a bunch of patches needed for yelp to not choke on scrollkeeper files, listed at http://live.gnome.org/Yelp (all of the patches are part of bug 348013). It appears that the gnome-2.16 jhbuild moduleset has been patched to

Re: GnomeClient replacement?

2006-07-25 Thread Elijah Newren
On 7/25/06, Bill Haneman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Because of build issues I have not been able to test a11y with gnome-session HEAD. Are you telling me that a11y is regressed severely in HEAD, as it sounds? No, I'd have to know whether it was in order to say so. I just finally caught up on

Re: Putting the 'Mono debate' back on the rails

2006-07-25 Thread Elijah Newren
On 7/21/06, Mike Kestner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sat, 2006-07-22 at 00:03 +1000, Jeff Waugh wrote: * Should we include Gtk# in the Bindings suite? - the release management issues have largely been solved, aside from Gtk# not being split between Platform and Desktop (stable and

Re: Winners of today's build breakages

2006-07-25 Thread Elijah Newren
On 7/25/06, Elijah Newren [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't think elementtree is particularly problematic, especially since it appears that it will be bundled with the next python release anyway and we already depend on python (so if you had just waited to depend on elementtree until python 2.5

Re: Winners of today's build breakages

2006-07-25 Thread Elijah Newren
On 7/25/06, Nigel Tao [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mostly, we just need to get people into the habit of announcing new dependencies that they want to use, For the record - is desktop-devel-list the appropriate place to raise such announcements? Yep. You probably don't need to worry about it

Re: Winners of today's build breakages

2006-07-25 Thread Elijah Newren
On 7/25/06, Nigel Tao [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: er, until we had shifted to using python 2.5 OK, given that GNOME 2.16 will not depend on (the unstable) Python 2.5, I'll re-write the elementtree stuff to use libxml2, unless I am advised otherwise. I didn't say that the dependency couldn't be

Re: Putting the 'Mono debate' back on the rails

2006-07-24 Thread Elijah Newren
On 7/24/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mike Kestner wrote: My Gtk#-lite 2.16 binding would be allowed to break API in 2.18 as long as I make it parallel-installable, thereby breaking all existing Gtk#-lite applications unless packagers provide Bindings release 2.16 with

Re: CVS/JHBuild complaints

2006-07-23 Thread Elijah Newren
On 7/23/06, Luca Ferretti [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Il giorno sab, 22/07/2006 alle 12.48 -0600, Brent Smith ha scritto: * avahi depends on dbus-python and dbus-glib bindings set; dbus-python and dbus-glib are now in a git repository (bug 347674); need to add to modulesets and add appropriate

Re: Time to heat up the new module discussion

2006-07-17 Thread Elijah Newren
On 7/17/06, Jason D. Clinton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, 2006-07-17 at 16:32 +0200, Murray Cumming wrote: I don't have concerns about this that need addressing. Gtk# has simply not been proposed for the Developer Platform during GNOME 2.15/2.16. So, I am seeking clarification, not

Re: focus! (was Re: Focusing on innovation re: mono, python et al)

2006-07-17 Thread Elijah Newren
On 7/17/06, Dave Neary [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: * Bindings So far, GTK# in the bindings seems pretty uncontroversial Assuming it can satisfy the rules of the bindings release, that is. Multiple people have pointed out that they would dislike it being accepted in the proposed form, with it

Re: Focusing on innovation re: mono, python et al

2006-07-15 Thread Elijah Newren
On 7/14/06, Corey Burger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey all, It seems that the recent discussions of mono (and to a lesser extent python) have lost sight of two very important things: innovation and why we are really here. Regardless of what you think of the language they are being written

Re: On breaking the woohoo barrier...thoughts on how GNOME can get great

2006-07-14 Thread Elijah Newren
On 7/14/06, Calum Benson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Quim Gil wrote: El dv 14 de 07 del 2006 a les 08:41 +0200, en/na Murray Cumming va escriure: Should anyone ever get around to creating some GNOME personas Someone started http://live.gnome.org/Personas months ago. Yeesh, didn't know

Re: Time to heat up the new module discussion

2006-07-12 Thread Elijah Newren
On 7/12/06, Robert Love [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, 2006-07-11 at 14:16 -0600, Elijah Newren wrote: So, to start of the discussion, the proposed modules AFAIR are: * orca (as a replacement to gnopernicus) * alacarte * gnome-power-manager * Tomboy * Gtk# * nm-applet

Re: Time to heat up the new module discussion

2006-07-12 Thread Elijah Newren
On 7/12/06, Calum Benson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 12 Jul 2006, at 08:56, Johan Svedberg wrote: * Jul 12 02:21 Elijah Newren [EMAIL PROTECTED]: [...] So, to start of the discussion, the proposed modules AFAIR are: * orca (as a replacement to gnopernicus) * alacarte * gnome

Re: Gnome 2.15.4 is broken

2006-07-12 Thread Elijah Newren
On 7/11/06, Elijah Newren [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As per suggestion at http://mail.gnome.org/archives/desktop-devel-list/2006-June/msg00071.html, here's some loud complaining about 2.15.4 brokenness (taken from an email from Vincent, except I've added some new notes and probably made things

Gnome 2.15.4 is broken

2006-07-11 Thread Elijah Newren
As per suggestion at http://mail.gnome.org/archives/desktop-devel-list/2006-June/msg00071.html, here's some loud complaining about 2.15.4 brokenness (taken from an email from Vincent, except I've added some new notes and probably made things much less polite in the process). Slipping the release

Time to heat up the new module discussion

2006-07-11 Thread Elijah Newren
Hi everyone, As per the release schedule (http://live.gnome.org/TwoPointFifteen), it's time to heat up the module inclusion discussion. So, time to flame, argue, etc., etc. this week and see if we can reach consensus. The release team will try to meet next week about new module decisions with

Re: file-roller branched

2006-06-20 Thread Elijah Newren
On 6/20/06, Scott J. Harmon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Paolo Bacchilega wrote: Hi, the file-roller module has now a gnome-2-14 branch for version 2.14, HEAD will be used to develop version 2.16 Plans for 2.16 are: browse bugzilla and fix bugs. Bug fixing can be done without

Re: Buildability of tarballs and cvs

2006-06-20 Thread Elijah Newren
On 6/18/06, Jeff Waugh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes - shipping build fix patches is a *massive* regression in the release management process, cf. signature. snip Basically my philosophy on release management is that it should be like police brutality. - Maciej Stachowiak

Buildability of tarballs and cvs

2006-06-17 Thread Elijah Newren
Hi everyone, This is just a quick email to ask for help in improving the dogfoodability of our tarballs and CVS. See the lists below my verbose explanation if you want to jump to the details. :) Currently, buildability from either tarballs or CVS is pretty poor; I wouldn't consider either in a

Re: Proposal to add Orca to GNOME 2.16

2006-06-11 Thread Elijah Newren
On 6/11/06, Sri Ramkrishna [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So there's been no comment on this (or I must have missed it). Are we considering Orca for GNOME 2.16[1]? I did respond[2] but I think your email points out some potential confusion in the community worth addressing. [1] I'm assuming this

Re: Proposal to add Orca to GNOME 2.16

2006-06-06 Thread Elijah Newren
On 6/6/06, Willie Walker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We've received positive feedback thus far (public and private), including the following message from Baum, the maintainer of Gnopernicus: http://mail.gnome.org/archives/orca-list/2006-June/msg4.html That email pretty much looks like the

Re: What happened to Subversion?

2006-06-04 Thread Elijah Newren
On 6/4/06, BJörn Lindqvist [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Supposedly, Gnome's CVS repositories were about to be converted to Subversion 18th March this year. It didn't happen and not much have been written about it on the infrastructure list. So I wonder if the switch is still planned and when it will

Re: control-center renaming to gnome-control-center

2006-05-29 Thread Elijah Newren
On 5/29/06, Rodrigo Moya [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi gnome-control-center module in CVS has 'control-center' as the tarball name, not sure why. So, I'm planning to change it to gnome-control-center to match the CVS module name. Anyone has any good reason for not doing so? Awesome, assuming

Re: control-center renaming to gnome-control-center

2006-05-29 Thread Elijah Newren
On 5/29/06, Sebastien Bacher [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Le lundi 29 mai 2006 à 08:11 -0600, Elijah Newren a écrit : Awesome, assuming no one has any reason against it, thanks for making things more sane. Would it also be okay if I changed the bugzilla module name for you (from control-center

more po/LINGUAS disaster -- we need re-rolled tarballs before 2.15.2 goes out

2006-05-16 Thread Elijah Newren
On 5/16/06, Matthias Clasen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am still finding tarballs without translations, the latest instance is gnome-terminal 2.15.0... Indeed, it looks like we'll either have to use lots of 2.14.x tarballs or else get lots of new re-rolled ones. We may need to hold up the

Re: Please review po/LINGUAS patches so that people can build Gnome from CVS

2006-05-04 Thread Elijah Newren
On 5/4/06, Wouter Bolsterlee [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: JFYI, I've commited patches to several modules a few days ago to fix these sed problems (at least for me they did). If you did so by modifying po/LINGUAS, please revert. Someone pointed out to me that we _want_ one language listed per line

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