Re: Icon theme changes

2014-04-29 Thread John Stowers
The reason for this change is to make things more simple and reliable. With our current use, symbolic icons are simply not an optional add-on anymore, but an integral part of the user experience. By making it part of the single icon theme, we avoid a whole class of 'broken UX' cases that

Re: Python Docs (was Re: Coordination for developer documentations)

2014-03-08 Thread John Stowers
Simon and others, With respect to PyGObject docs, I hope you are all aware of http://lazka.github.io/pgi-docs/ and http://learngtk.org/ The first link is especially fantastic. FWIW I also purchased www.pygobject.org a while ago and am wondering what to do with it. My current plan is to

Re: Potential GNOME IDE

2014-01-04 Thread John Stowers
It would be nice to have some GObject features, like completion of properties and signals names, with calltips to show details about a property or signal, and a button to add the callback function with the correct parameters. Also for handling the GObject boilerplate, like renaming a class

Re: Fallback mode is going away - what now ?

2012-11-23 Thread John Stowers
On Fri, Nov 23, 2012 at 7:27 PM, Allan Day allanp...@gmail.com wrote: Florian Müllner fmuell...@gnome.org wrote: ... The Tweak Tool shouldn't have anything to do with extensions. They are something that you install and run as a part of the system, not something to be tweaked via settings.

Re: Fallback mode is going away - what now ?

2012-11-21 Thread John Stowers
On Wed, 2012-11-21 at 09:56 -0500, Matthias Clasen wrote: I don't think a separate session will work very well for this - for one thing, setting this up will require a number of settings to be tweaked (e.g. the one for the minimize button), and alternative sessions don't have the right

Re: Dropping fallback mode in 3.8

2012-11-21 Thread John Stowers
advanced setting app is SLOW to react to clicks in the categories list (about 2 to 3 seconds) Meh, that is just my rubbish code*, not a statement by the GNOME that you must buy a new computer. Some combinations of bugs from you list might make things slower on your hardware. Anecdotes here

Re: GNOME goal for 3.8: Python 3 -- impact for pygobject itself

2012-11-06 Thread John Stowers
On Mon, 2012-11-05 at 10:28 +0100, Martin Pitt wrote: Hello all, Olav Vitters [2012-11-05 10:05 +0100]: In the last release team meeting we've accepted the Python 3 porting goal for GNOME 3.8. https://live.gnome.org/GnomeGoals/Python3Porting Meaning: During development phase of

Re: 3.8 feature: Drop or Fix Fallback Mode

2012-10-23 Thread John Stowers
It'd be useful to know to what extent people would be affected if we stop supporting the fallback mode. For instance, last June, Antoine mentioned that llvmpipe support is not there yet on OpenBSD... If fallback mode goes away I would like blocker importance placed on bugs like

Mirroring GNOME on github

2012-08-07 Thread John Stowers
Hi, I spoke about this with a few people at GUADEC, but I would like to continue the discussion here. Can we please mirror the GNOME repositories on github.org (https://github.com/GNOME)? Advantages * Many many people already have forks of GNOME components there, if GNOME was the parent of

Re: Mirroring GNOME on github

2012-08-07 Thread John Stowers
Disadvantages * Maintainers might see this is mandating them change their workflow. I emphasize that github should be only a mirror, interaction and merging should occur first on git.gnome.org This is a killer. There would just be forks of random GitHub repositories with patches, and

Re: Mirroring GNOME on github

2012-08-07 Thread John Stowers
I'm just saying that we need maintainers to manually look at GitHub every once in a while for pull requests, and file a bug upstream or merge into the repo or something. Maintainers are already overworked, so I doubt they're going to do that. See at end. The other alternative is telling

Re: Mirroring GNOME on github

2012-08-07 Thread John Stowers
One of the modules that I develop (gnome-shell) has very strict code review policies. If we want a paper trail of reviews, the typical thing to do is to link to a Bugzilla bug in the commit message, which has patch review comments. How does that fit into our GitHub flow? Do I review a pull

Re: Be respectful and considerate. A complaint.

2012-07-02 Thread John Stowers
And here is the same feature, but at the window manager level (and for all the other apps too): http://andreasn.myownb3.com/temp/nau-side-by-side.png Same thing, just on a different level and now desktop-wide. Not quite. With split planes select complex combination of files with ctrl -

Re: taking features away (compact view removed from Nautilus)

2012-06-30 Thread John Stowers
On Sat, Jun 30, 2012 at 6:32 PM, Jasper St. Pierre jstpie...@mecheye.net wrote: It seems like the broken labels beside icons behavior should be treated as a bug in GtkIconView that should just be fixed. Don't worry about it, the text beside icons bug was fixed by removing the offending feature

Re: Introducing Photos

2012-05-10 Thread John Stowers
The point is that we already use Tracker in GNOME (Documents and Boxes depend on it) and I don't see any reason for existing apps to stop using it and while we could compromise on some code-duplication, its certainly a big issue if there is two entities harvesting metadata from tons of

Re: Design in the open

2012-04-25 Thread John Stowers
So there are lots of ways that we can do design better as a community, and contributors on this list can all play a part in helping to make us to be even more successful in this regard. It will take actions as well as words to move forward, of course - if you want to help, or have your own

Re: Anyone interested in keeping pessulus alive?

2012-03-13 Thread John Stowers
There was nothing really tricky in pessulus itself, except knowing which keys exist and finding how to present them (and even for that, I don't think we were doing such a great job :/). There is plenty of code in gnome-tweak-tool for almost-autogenerating a UI on top of gsettings keys. If

Re: GNOME user survey 2011 (v6)

2011-10-18 Thread John Stowers
Phoronix and any linux news orientated site would be _perfect_ for a Gnome survey! If gnome thinks otherwise then keep on living in that little perfect utopia world of gnome. Reality is way different. Gnome really seems to be living in some ideal small everyone loves gnome world where they

Re: Confused about the release

2011-08-31 Thread John Stowers
On Wed, 2011-08-31 at 16:26 -0500, Federico Mena Quintero wrote: On Tue, 2011-08-30 at 15:24 -0400, Shaun McCance wrote: I noticed that we have Contacts, Documents, and Sushi in the apps moduleset. gnome-documents worries me because of its dependency on Tracker. As far as I can tell,

Re: SweetTooth and Live Extension Enabling/Disabling

2011-08-24 Thread John Stowers
On Wed, 2011-08-24 at 14:00 -0400, Jasper St. Pierre wrote: Hey guys, it's Jasper. Again, the last time I talked about SweetTooth, it was a month ago. I'm here to say that enabling/disabling of extensions has landed! Congratulations! I will get this into tweak-tool ASAP. John

Re: new jhbuild features: jhbuild sysdeps and partial_build = True

2011-07-28 Thread John Stowers
In the latest jhbuild, when the partial_build key is set (the default) we explicitly look at what's installed on the system, and if they're new enough, omit them from the build list (unless you have built them before). This doesn't currently work on non-packagekit system, such as Ubuntu. I

Re: On the Interaction with the design team

2011-06-08 Thread John Stowers
As a foundation member and supporter of GNOME I don't even know myself how to give a feedback that matters and join the hundreds unhappy contributors with this decision (users spend hours looking at how they can power off their machine, talk about good UX...), nor can I point anyone to a

Re: On the Interaction with the design team

2011-06-06 Thread John Stowers
On Mon, 2011-06-06 at 13:42 +0100, Allan Day wrote: Dave Neary wrote: Hi, So, in short, I would like the design team to act like the gnome-utils team. GNOME design has all the equivalent facilities [1, 2, 3] excluding the mailing list. Again, I agree (and have never disagreed)

Re: systemd as external dependency

2011-05-19 Thread John Stowers
Hey, Could you give some details on what is the issue with running Ubuntu and contributing to GNOME? Several active GNOME contributors are running Ubuntu, do you means they are not welcome to contribute to GNOME because of the distribution they decided to use? I'm not wading into this

Re: Open containing folder for all apps

2011-05-13 Thread John Stowers
On Fri, 2011-05-13 at 10:05 +0100, Calum Benson wrote: On 11 May 2011, at 17:52, Federico Mena Quintero wrote: One detail of Open if file manager is that it is trivial to make apps call nautilus --blahblah, but ideally this should be cross-desktop (and I imagine that Firefox and

Re: Musings on the contacts user experience

2011-04-29 Thread John Stowers
On Thu, 2011-04-28 at 16:20 -0400, Matthias Clasen wrote: I'm not sure we really want a separate people tab in the overview. I know it is tempting, now that we have these 'tabs', to just keep adding on there: places, documents, contacts, what have you... but I think it will lead to a clunky

Re: New master.gnome.org

2011-03-30 Thread John Stowers
I can describe what the script does somewhere. Only 'install' is interesting for maintainers. The rest is release-team stuff and more sysadmin related (ftpadmin validate-tarballs will validate all tarballs within a module.. going to rename that to validate-module). [ can't find the mail

Re: empathy integration with the desktop

2011-03-29 Thread John Stowers
As a new user of gnome-shell when I installed the Fedora 15 Alpha, my first thought was that Available and Busy referred to my IM status, and there was nothing that indicated to me that they had anything to do with the notification system. I only made that connection from a stray reference

Re: GNOME 3.2 ideas and plans

2011-03-23 Thread John Stowers
On Tue, 2011-03-22 at 10:02 -0400, Matthias Clasen wrote: With GNOME 3.0 going into code freeze any day now, it is high time that we start looking beyond 3.0 and start collecting ideas and making plans for what comes next. To that end, I have collected a list of things that have fallen off the

Re: no way to change theme or fonts in System Settings?

2011-03-17 Thread John Stowers
There'll be a tool for that, although that is an add-on tool (ie, not part of the control center). Since I've been lagging on this, John Stowers stepped up and moved much faster than I did (he also chose python while I was playing with js ;-)): https://github.com/nzjrs/gnome-tweak-tool

Re: no way to change theme or fonts in System Settings?

2011-03-17 Thread John Stowers
Let me know when you have a bugzilla component. There's a number of control-center bugs that should be coming your way. Done. https://bugzilla.gnome.org/browse.cgi?product=gnome-tweak-tool John (nervously awaiting bug onslaught...) ___

Re: Jump Lists / Quick Lists / Dash Embellishments in GNOME 3

2011-03-04 Thread John Stowers
Having jumplists in the shell overlay was desired by pretty much everybody, though it was not specified whether they would be implemented as right-click menus on application icons, or something else. My takeaway from the session was that we would use a combination of static verbs

Re: Jump Lists / Quick Lists / Dash Embellishments in GNOME 3

2011-02-26 Thread John Stowers
My takeaway from the session was that we would use a combination of static verbs (specified in .desktop) and dynamic actions (specified using GApplication actions) to build the action list in an application's jumplist *and* in the application menu in the top panel of the shell. But after

Jump Lists / Quick Lists / Dash Embellishments in GNOME 3

2011-02-09 Thread John Stowers
Hi All, I see that Ubuntu has merged [1] their implementation of 'quick lists' [2], and also offer ways to embellish their application launcher icons with numbers and progress bars. Is there a plan describing how these things might fit with gnome-shell (or not)? [5] leaves this part unspecified.

Re: GNOME 3.0 in March 2011

2010-08-07 Thread John Stowers
On Sat, 2010-08-07 at 11:12 +0200, Tomeu Vizoso wrote: Alternatively, if distros were able to support the combination Python2+Gtk2+PyGObjectWithIntrospection Just to be clear, do you mean that distributions will likely ship Python2+PyGtk2+(Gtk2-.gir)+(PyGobjectWithIntrospection+(Gtk3+.gir))

Re: GNOME 3.0 in March 2011

2010-08-07 Thread John Stowers
On Sat, 2010-08-07 at 13:24 +0200, Tomeu Vizoso wrote: On Sat, Aug 7, 2010 at 12:20, John Stowers john.stowers.li...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, 2010-08-07 at 11:12 +0200, Tomeu Vizoso wrote: Alternatively, if distros were able to support the combination Python2+Gtk2

Re: GNOME 3.0 in March 2011

2010-07-29 Thread John Stowers
On Thu, 2010-07-29 at 13:50 +0200, Steve Frécinaux wrote: On 07/29/2010 01:06 PM, Xavier Claessens wrote: Speaking about my modules, I will not accept any changes to make them work with GTK+ 2.x again, nor would I want people to waste their times doing that. Why? As I understand, GTK3's

Re: GNOME 3.0 in March 2011

2010-07-29 Thread John Stowers
On Fri, 2010-07-30 at 00:23 +0200, Steve Frécinaux wrote: On 07/30/2010 12:13 AM, John Stowers wrote: I have no objection to that. My problem is that in the space of one minor release, *every* python plugin for a gtk application (e.g [1]) has skipped this 'dying' phase and move straight

Re: GNOME 3.0 in March 2011

2010-07-29 Thread John Stowers
On Fri, 2010-07-30 at 00:32 +0200, Steve Frécinaux wrote: On 07/30/2010 12:28 AM, John Stowers wrote: On Fri, 2010-07-30 at 00:23 +0200, Steve Frécinaux wrote: It's not as simple: you can't use pygtk and pygi at the same time in the same program. Is that still true if PyGtk+friends

Re: GNOME 3.0 in March 2011

2010-07-29 Thread John Stowers
On Fri, 2010-07-30 at 10:39 +1200, John Stowers wrote: On Fri, 2010-07-30 at 00:32 +0200, Steve Frécinaux wrote: On 07/30/2010 12:28 AM, John Stowers wrote: On Fri, 2010-07-30 at 00:23 +0200, Steve Frécinaux wrote: It's not as simple: you can't use pygtk and pygi at the same time

Re: GNOME 3.0 in March 2011

2010-07-29 Thread John Stowers
On Fri, 2010-07-30 at 01:00 +0200, Steve Frécinaux wrote: On 07/30/2010 12:39 AM, John Stowers wrote: On Fri, 2010-07-30 at 00:32 +0200, Steve Frécinaux wrote: On 07/30/2010 12:28 AM, John Stowers wrote: On Fri, 2010-07-30 at 00:23 +0200, Steve Frécinaux wrote: It's not as simple: you

Re: Call to maintainers: GNOME 2.31 to ship GTK 2.90

2010-06-14 Thread John Stowers
A separate but related issue is that unless somebody plans to update gtk-sharp, Tomboy may not be GTK3 compatible this cycle (I don't know off-hand what parts of gtk-sharp may be incompatible with GTK3).  Do other non-C apps have similar issues, or is this just a problem with the Mono

Re: Platform for Developer Documentation

2010-03-08 Thread John Stowers
I'm growing a bit sick of GNOME having to be in this limbo situation where it can't stick to any technology because downstream distributions choose not to ship some components by default. PackageKit and PulseAudio are two projects that are pretty well aligned with the GNOME platform in

Re: New module proposal: tracker

2009-10-29 Thread John Stowers
On Wed, 2009-10-28 at 20:04 -0700, Sriram Ramkrishna wrote: I think I'm with Zeeshan here. It looks like you should have some time to get some real world testing before putting it into the release. Do you guys have objection to that? Correct me if I am wrong, but isn't tracker 0.7 being

ChangeLog generation and git

2009-10-01 Thread John Stowers
Hi All, I am converting my projects to auto-generate ChangeLog at dist time. Looking at various GNOME modules, I cannot see a consensus on the correct way to do this. Some projects simply do $git log ChangeLog while other use custom scripts [1]. Is there recommended way to do this? Could some

Re: GlobalMenu Application for inclusion as a GNOME module

2009-09-03 Thread John Stowers
On Thu, 2009-09-03 at 00:40 +0200, Pierre Slamich wrote: Dear GNOME maintainers, This is a proposal on behalf of the GlobalMenu developers for its inclusion either in gnome-applets or as a dependency of GNOME. +1 from me, I use this daily, and it works wonderfully. While some might argue

Re: New module proposal: libdmapsharing

2009-06-26 Thread John Stowers
On Sat, 2009-06-27 at 00:27 +0200, Andre Klapper wrote: Hi Mike, thanks for your interest in making libdmapsharing an official part of GNOME (though the proposal deadline for 2.28 has already passed). Am Freitag, den 26.06.2009, 16:08 -0400 schrieb W. Michael Petullo: Purpose:

Re: Proposing libchamplain as an external dependancy for GNOME 2.28

2009-05-06 Thread John Stowers
* It is good to see you have added support for specifying map uri's. I would also like to see you support quadtree encoding, and randomization of hosts. See osm-gps-map for what I mean... I will have a look, but little code can be shared as osm-gps-map is GPL :) but if the method is

Re: Proposing libchamplain as an external dependancy for GNOME 2.28

2009-05-06 Thread John Stowers
On Thu, May 7, 2009 at 12:01 PM, Christian Persch c...@gnome.org wrote: Hi; John Stowers wrote: Unfortunately, the original TangoGPS author, [...], ignores any emails from me, other osm-gps-map developers, or users, that request permission to change the license of osm-gps-map to LGPL

Re: Proposing libchamplain as an external dependancy for GNOME 2.28

2009-05-05 Thread John Stowers
On Mon, 2009-05-04 at 22:37 -0400, Pierre-Luc Beaudoin wrote: Hi, I would like to propose libchamplain as an external dependency to GNOME 2.28. If you never heard about this project, it is a Clutter based map widget for your application. It currently uses downloaded image tiles as map

Re: On autogenerated ChangeLog

2009-04-18 Thread John Stowers
On Sat, 2009-04-18 at 22:23 -0400, Tristan Van Berkom wrote: On Sat, Apr 18, 2009 at 9:54 PM, Behdad Esfahbod beh...@behdad.org wrote: Hey, I first wrote Makefile.am magic for Pango to generate ChangeLog from git on demand. Those macros have been modified and gathered in

Re: Metacity, Mutter, GNOME Shell, GNOME-2.28

2009-03-25 Thread John Stowers
On Mon, 2009-03-23 at 17:11 -0400, Owen Taylor wrote: On Mon, 2009-03-23 at 17:02 -0400, Colin Walters wrote: On Mon, Mar 23, 2009 at 4:41 PM, Owen Taylor otay...@redhat.com wrote: 2) Mutter could be renamed as a project to mutter (binary, GConf schemas, etc. Presumably, the internals

Re: SoC 2009 Ideas List Officially Triaged (New Untriaged Ideas still accepted until Monday)

2009-03-21 Thread John Stowers
On Sat, 2009-03-21 at 08:49 -0700, Sandy Armstrong wrote: Hi all, I just wanted to briefly mention that the triage committee has finished sorting community-proposed SoC ideas into categories on: http://live.gnome.org/SummerOfCode2009/Ideas The student proposal period begins Monday, so

Re: gobject-introspection, gir-repository and gjs moved to git

2009-02-11 Thread John Stowers
On Wed, 2009-02-11 at 17:25 -0200, Johan Dahlin wrote: gobject-introspection, gir-repository and gjs were today moved over to git. The old svn repositories will still work, but only in read-only mode. Does this mean the GNOME move to git is complete and the git repositories are now writeable

Following GNOME Development

2009-02-08 Thread John Stowers
Hey, Some of you might be interested in a little distraction I hacked on over the last few weekends. It is basically a small PyGtk GUI to track GNOME development, kind of like GNOME commit digest [1], but generated on demand. The tool also includes some other useful information such as the

Re: Main Menu mockup

2008-11-05 Thread John Stowers
On Wed, Nov 5, 2008 at 11:57 AM, Matthew McGowan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello gnome desktop developers, Apologies if this is the wrong forum for such an email. I have seen a fair bit of discussion about usability ideas for Gnome 3. Going by a post on planet.gnome.org, the current

Re: Prototyping the next generation panel?

2008-10-28 Thread John Stowers
2008/10/28 Johannes Schmid [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi! So after I finally got to read http://live.gnome.org/Boston2008/GUIHackfest/WindowManagementAndMore and vuntz blogpost I was wondering if there is already a place where the prototyping of the new panel is happening. I guess quite some people

Re: GSD should not housekeep the thumbnails

2008-09-23 Thread John Stowers
On Mon, 2008-09-22 at 22:41 -0400, Matthias Clasen wrote: 2008/9/22 Ted Gould [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Mon, 2008-09-22 at 18:19 -0500, Federico Mena Quintero wrote: JPEG loading with libjpeg is currently really slow (the benchmark being Photoshop, which is really goddamn fast for JPEGs).

Re: GSD should not housekeep the thumbnails

2008-09-23 Thread John Stowers
On Tue, 2008-09-23 at 13:31 -0700, Bastien Nocera wrote: On Tue, 2008-09-23 at 21:04 +0200, John Stowers wrote: snip There is also epeg, from Enlightenment, and I quote them, an IMMENSELY FAST JPEG thumbnailer library API. Which seems to be very deprecated: http://trac.enlightenment.org

Re: Proposed module: conduit

2008-07-31 Thread John Stowers
* Also it would help if some artist would take care about the canvas and apply sane padding and line widths. It'd also help to apply theme colors instead of randomly chosen colors. My desktop theme uses decent gradients for UI elements. There are no gradients at all in the Conduit canvas.

Re: Proposed module: conduit

2008-07-31 Thread John Stowers
On Thu, 2008-07-31 at 13:03 +0200, Patryk Zawadzki wrote: 2008/7/31 Mathias Hasselmann [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Am Donnerstag, den 31.07.2008, 12:39 +0200 schrieb Dave Neary: Hi, Vincent Untz wrote: Short description: == Conduit is a synchronization architecture for the

Re: Proposed module: conduit

2008-07-31 Thread John Stowers
On Thu, 2008-07-31 at 14:36 +0200, Patryk Zawadzki wrote: On Thu, Jul 31, 2008 at 2:01 PM, John Stowers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't know If I agree with the icon being in system/preferences however, for two reasons. * If/when a future, improved UI appears, it will probably live

Re: Proposed module: conduit

2008-07-30 Thread John Stowers
On Wed, 2008-07-30 at 12:44 +0200, Murray Cumming wrote: On Tue, 2008-07-29 at 23:49 +1200, John Stowers wrote: So with what sites can I easily sync my data (from what desktop applications)? The following is a partial list of non-pim sync functionality I just tried Conduit (version

Re: Proposed module: conduit

2008-07-30 Thread John Stowers
On Wed, 2008-07-30 at 13:24 +0200, Mathias Hasselmann wrote: Am Mittwoch, den 30.07.2008, 22:56 +1200 schrieb John Stowers: On Wed, 2008-07-30 at 12:44 +0200, Murray Cumming wrote: I failed to figure out how to upload (or sync) photos from a local folder to flickr. I did manage to drag

Re: Proposed module: conduit

2008-07-30 Thread John Stowers
://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=545430 http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=545431 Li On Jul 30, 2008, at 6:44 AM, Murray Cumming wrote: On Tue, 2008-07-29 at 23:49 +1200, John Stowers wrote: So with what sites can I easily sync my data (from what desktop applications

Re: Proposed module: project hamster

2008-07-30 Thread John Stowers
On Wed, 2008-07-30 at 17:34 -0700, Sandy Armstrong wrote: Vincent Untz wrote: Homepage: http://projecthamster.wordpress.com/ svn/git/bzr/...: http://code.google.com/p/projecthamster/source/checkout Proposal on d-d-l:

Re: Proposed module: project hamster

2008-07-30 Thread John Stowers
On Wed, 2008-07-30 at 21:13 -0500, Diego Escalante Urrelo wrote: On 7/30/08, John Stowers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But when I tried hamster applet, there was no such information to be seen. I would have expected to see incomplete tasks as possible activities. Works here

Re: Proposed external dependency: WebKit/GTK+

2008-07-30 Thread John Stowers
On Mon, 2008-07-28 at 00:33 +0200, Vincent Untz wrote: Homepage: http://webkit.org/ http://live.gnome.org/WebKitGtk Proposal on d-d-l: http://mail.gnome.org/archives/desktop-devel-list/2008-April/msg00134.html License: LGPLv2 or later (I believe) Short description: ==

Re: Proposed module: conduit

2008-07-29 Thread John Stowers
On Tue, 2008-07-29 at 11:24 +0200, Murray Cumming wrote: On Mon, 2008-07-28 at 00:32 +0200, Vincent Untz wrote: Homepage: http://www.conduit-project.org svn/git/bzr/...: http://svn.gnome.org/viewvc/conduit/ Proposal on d-d-l:

Re: Proposed module: conduit

2008-07-29 Thread John Stowers
On Tue, 2008-07-29 at 13:21 +0200, Murray Cumming wrote: On Tue, 2008-07-29 at 22:21 +1200, John Stowers wrote: On Tue, 2008-07-29 at 11:24 +0200, Murray Cumming wrote: How easy is it to do this for any particular specific cases, such as syncing a Palm with a desktop PC (With Evolution

Re: Proposed module: conduit

2008-07-29 Thread John Stowers
I guess at the end of the day I'm not sure if/why conduit is replacing gnome-pilot. Conduit has not been proposed to replace gnome-pilot. Eventually we will support palm sync, and we can discuss the future of gnome-pilot at that time. I believe Conduit provides sufficient benefits now to

Re: Proposed module: conduit

2008-07-28 Thread John Stowers
On Mon, 2008-07-28 at 01:05 +0200, Vincent Untz wrote: Le lundi 28 juillet 2008, à 00:32 +0200, Vincent Untz a écrit : Homepage: http://www.conduit-project.org svn/git/bzr/...: http://svn.gnome.org/viewvc/conduit/ Proposal on d-d-l:

Re: Proposed module: conduit

2008-07-28 Thread John Stowers
On Mon, 2008-07-28 at 11:16 -0400, Colin Walters wrote: On Mon, 2008-07-28 at 00:32 +0200, Vincent Untz wrote: Homepage: http://www.conduit-project.org svn/git/bzr/...: http://svn.gnome.org/viewvc/conduit/ Proposal on d-d-l:

Re: Proposed module: conduit

2008-07-28 Thread John Stowers
On Mon, 2008-07-28 at 17:47 -0400, Colin Walters wrote: On Tue, 2008-07-29 at 09:33 +1200, John Stowers wrote: If another app calls into conduit using dbus, it will automatically start, without the gui. If the user then starts Conduit from the accessories menu, the Gui will be launched

Re: Proposed module: conduit

2008-07-28 Thread John Stowers
On Mon, 2008-07-28 at 17:47 -0400, Colin Walters wrote: On Tue, 2008-07-29 at 09:33 +1200, John Stowers wrote: If another app calls into conduit using dbus, it will automatically start, without the gui. If the user then starts Conduit from the accessories menu, the Gui will be launched

Re: maintainer scripts

2008-07-26 Thread John Stowers
On Sat, 2008-07-26 at 14:11 -0400, Thomas Thurman wrote: Ysgrifennodd daniel g. siegel: thanks! it was exactly that what i needed. i modified it a bit, mostly to have the changelog and news style of older release notes of cheese. Metacity also has a release script, which I'd also like to

Re: maintainer scripts

2008-07-26 Thread John Stowers
On Sun, 2008-07-27 at 01:08 +0200, daniel g. siegel wrote: another quick question: maintainer.py seems to pick up all bug fixes, but what about features, or other enhancements, which are no bugs? how do i get those into the NEWS file? Check out

Re: maintainer scripts

2008-07-26 Thread John Stowers
On Sun, 2008-07-27 at 01:50 +0200, daniel g. siegel wrote: On So, 2008-07-27 at 11:46 +1200, John Stowers wrote: On Sun, 2008-07-27 at 01:08 +0200, daniel g. siegel wrote: another quick question: maintainer.py seems to pick up all bug fixes, but what about features, or other enhancements

Re: maintainer scripts

2008-07-23 Thread John Stowers
On Wed, 2008-07-23 at 23:35 +0200, daniel g. siegel wrote: hello! i just found some scripts like maintainer.py, list-translator.sh and so on.. does anybody use them for rolling your own tarballs? I use a slightly modified version of maintainer.py to do NEWS updates, release notes prep, etc.

Re: evolution-data-server now depends on sqlite 3.5

2008-07-17 Thread John Stowers
On Thu, 2008-07-17 at 13:30 +0200, =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Sebastian_P=F6lsterl_ wrote: Am Donnerstag, den 17.07.2008, 13:27 +0200 schrieb Patryk Zawadzki: 2008/7/17 Sebastian Pölsterl [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Am Mittwoch, den 16.07.2008, 18:41 +0200 schrieb Luca Ferretti: According to this[1] commit,

Re: Module proposal: Conduit for GNOME 2.24

2008-03-31 Thread John Stowers
ACK. Maybe the UI would be more easy to understand if the tree view in the main window would be replaced by some Glade/GIMP like tool palette. shameless-plugI am developing a generic tool palette widget for usage in Glom (and hopefully many other programs) in libegg/toolpalette right

Re: Module proposal: Conduit for GNOME 2.24

2008-03-31 Thread John Stowers
I could switch to using that. John Cheers, Eitan. On Mon, 2008-03-31 at 23:35 +1300, John Stowers wrote: Hey Guys, On behalf of the Conduit [1] development team, I would like to propose Conduit for inclusion in GNOME 2.24 desktop suite. * Purpose: Conduit

Re: Module proposal: Conduit for GNOME 2.24

2008-03-31 Thread John Stowers
On Mon, 2008-03-31 at 15:16 -0400, Adam Schreiber wrote: I rather like the idea of conduit. I just set up some google calendar - evolution calendar syncs and it worked great. Since it's taking passwords and storing them, is it using a secure method like gnome-keyring? It was, but I had to

Re: GSOC 2008 advice

2008-02-26 Thread John Stowers
On Tue, 2008-02-26 at 12:10 -0600, Benjamin Gramlich wrote: Greetings all, I am interested in applying to work on a project for Gnome during the summer of code 2008, and I have a few ideas. Idea #1) Re-implement the panel-applet library/interface to depend on DBUS. I guess you are

Re: GNOME's testing strategy for GUIs

2008-02-14 Thread John Stowers
* Many tools are available for automated testing, and GNOME needs to annoint one with holy gnome pee so that it will become an acceptable dependency for development. Whether this is LDTP, Dogtail, Strongwind, or others, a clear decision needs to be made so that people can go

Re: GNOME's testing strategy for GUIs

2008-02-14 Thread John Stowers
On Thu, 2008-02-14 at 13:26 -0800, Brad Taylor wrote: Hey, Personally I would like to use one of these frameworks to automatically take screenshots of Conduit releases, but so far I'm stuck. I don't have enough time to compare all the available options, and don't want to waste time

Re: Online Desktop and GNOME 2.22

2007-11-26 Thread John Stowers
- it seems inevitable that both gnome-http-lib and Firefox would need to rely on some type of common repository of cookies, etc. and that this repo would be managed by some type of daemon that handled locking and change-notification; said daemon would need to be able to run

Re: Online Desktop and GNOME 2.22

2007-11-21 Thread John Stowers
On Nov 22, 2007 6:40 AM, Alp Toker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Colin Walters wrote: On Tue, 2007-11-20 at 15:23 -0200, Pedro de Medeiros wrote: That's all very interesting, but what about a better integration of on-line applications in the desktop environment like regular applications?

Re: Online Desktop and GNOME 2.22

2007-11-01 Thread John Stowers
On 11/2/07, Colin Walters [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: John Stowers wrote: But at the moment this particular 'PDA' requires a different way for it to be connected. As I explained earlier, the other 'PDA's we support are either connected(), disconnected(), or we ask for the user to connect

Re: Online Desktop and GNOME 2.22

2007-10-31 Thread John Stowers
Hiya, b) There is no way to login to programatically to online desktop using either the dbus api or another manner. This is different to many many other web apis and makes it difficult to reliably use the api from outside mugshot. I don't quite understand this point. The general idea

Re: Online Desktop and GNOME 2.22

2007-10-31 Thread John Stowers
[ excellent detailed description omitted ] What if you don't think of online.gnome.org as a web service; what if you think of it like a PDA someone plugged into their USB port? Excellent! Apologies if I mis/over-interpret your analogy but this is EXCATLY how I think about online.gnome.org

Re: Online Desktop and GNOME 2.22

2007-10-30 Thread John Stowers
guess this becomes a non-issue if d is solved Anyway, apologies if any of these points appear negative. I totally agree with the ideas of online desktop, I just disagree with some points of its implementation John Stowers (conduit developer) ___ desktop

Re: GNOME Panel++

2007-09-23 Thread John Stowers
On 9/24/07, Alex Jones [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi list What do we want from the next version of GNOME Panel? Firstly, I think there is a lot of cool panel like implementations floating around GNOME these days. It might be a good time to merge some together before everything drifts too far

Re: Online Desktop, Tomboy, and user storage

2007-08-08 Thread John Stowers
On 8/9/07, Havoc Pennington [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, Tomboy offers a concrete case study about the various ways to store stuff on the server and set up the data model in the app. Conduit is already a case study in the common elements of Synchronization over disparate services. Our data

Re: Online Desktop, Tomboy, and user storage (was Re: Dogfood servers now up)

2007-08-01 Thread John Stowers
On 8/2/07, Sanford Armstrong [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 8/1/07, Havoc Pennington [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, Sanford Armstrong wrote: How does this fit into the grand scheme of the online desktop? Tomboy can't be the only app that wants to store real data (not just configuration

Re: Online Desktop/People apps (short-term)

2007-07-25 Thread John Stowers
Travis, some good ideas. I thought I would weigh in on this issue from the point of view of Conduit. Basic Architecture == [Desktop People Apps] - [Empathy] - [e-d-s] - [Online desktop server] snip 4. A daemon to initiate and perform data synchronization and merging. This

Re: GNOME online desktop - (some of the possible) next steps

2007-07-25 Thread John Stowers
Bryan mentioned this to me, and the best approach to take right now would probably be to get Google to Open Source this piece of code. That would at least mean time isn't wasted whilst a volunteer shows up. Thats one of the reasons I have not tackled this in Conduit - Google open sourcing it

Re: Conduit

2007-07-25 Thread John Stowers
On 7/25/07, Bastien Nocera [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 2007-07-25 at 07:59 -0700, Jeff Waugh wrote: quote who=John Stowers I dont see Conduit, no matter how singing and dancing, getting as much community buy in as e-d-s sync due to its heritage. Hrm? It's used by Nokia

Re: GNOME online desktop - (some of the possible) next steps

2007-07-25 Thread John Stowers
Hey, Thought I would weigh in with the state of Conduit, what it can do, and my roadmap of sorts. At the bottom is a little discussion of .Mac and other things. Firstly, what Conduit can do today Photo sync with F-spot, Picasaweb, Flickr, Smugmug File Sync with Box.net, gnomevfs volumes Contact

Re: Online Desktop/People apps (short-term)

2007-07-25 Thread John Stowers
If eds-dbus doesn't work with standard EDS, I consider that a bug. The original announcement didn't compile correctly with the standard EDS, but that was promptly fixed. Either way, is the e-d-s dbus port going to replace the existing bonobo e-d-s? John

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