Re: special folders (was Call for a Gnome Media Center)

2007-02-17 Thread Étienne Bersac
Hi, Note that the new migration assistant available in Ubuntu Feisty Fawn Herd 4 migrate 'My Music' to ~/Music, etc. I do not like the idea of virtual folder. A nice feature in iTunes is the nice renaming of files. I wonder if we should implement an extended special forlder system that

special folders (was Call for a Gnome Media Center)

2007-02-16 Thread adel
What about this... (using nautilus) ~/Music is a virtual folder (saved search) of mimetype:audio, inside you don't see files or folders, you see albums, click album to see available songs, once you select some, an add to playlist button appear on top, the button has drop down menu shows you

Re: Call for a Gnome Media Center

2007-02-15 Thread Rodrigo Moya
On Thu, 2007-02-15 at 13:07 +0100, Mattias Eriksson wrote: I posted a suggestion on gnome devel earlier how to handle special folders: http://www.nabble.com/Special-folders-in-gnome-p2357664.html (This was the first mirror I found using google) as for what that page says about

Re: Call for a Gnome Media Center

2007-02-14 Thread Christian F.K. Schaller
Well I am not sure how 'huge' this effort needs to be as we have a lot of these places implicitly in place already. Everything uses GStreamer which means a shared library and a lot of shared code already. A recent example here is that I know both Rhythmbox and Exaile hackers are working on adding

Re: Call for a Gnome Media Center

2007-02-14 Thread Christian F.K. Schaller
On Tue, 2007-02-13 at 15:39 -0500, Martin Meyer wrote: I for one would like to see a network file browser of some kind in any media center app. If I run this Gnome Media Center on an HTPC in my living room, I want to be able to access the media stored *anywhere* in my house. The majority of it

Re: Call for a Gnome Media Center

2007-02-14 Thread Ross Burton
On Wed, 2007-02-14 at 10:56 +0100, Christian F.K. Schaller wrote: As for a shared database this might be a good idea, but I will leave that up to application writers to decide, for me a good start would be that all Music applications for instance tried hard to get people to save their Music

Re: Call for a Gnome Media Center

2007-02-14 Thread Étienne Bersac
Hi, Just last week I got a bug report and a patch for this in Sound Juicer. It hard-codes the default location to save files as ~/Music/. Now, my question is this: do I commit this, or do we need a more powerful system that handles i18n? I'm sure a Persian GNOME user would not like their

Re: Call for a Gnome Media Center

2007-02-14 Thread Emmanuele Bassi
hi; On Wed, 2007-02-14 at 10:22 +, Ross Burton wrote: On Wed, 2007-02-14 at 10:56 +0100, Christian F.K. Schaller wrote: As for a shared database this might be a good idea, but I will leave that up to application writers to decide, for me a good start would be that all Music

Re: Call for a Gnome Media Center

2007-02-14 Thread Richard Hughes
On Wed, 2007-02-14 at 10:44 +, Emmanuele Bassi wrote: which is entirely doable now that we have an API to access local bookmarks (GBookmarkFile in GLib). applications can install a bookmark for their folder, which has a title that can be translated like we localise schemas for GConf and

Re: Call for a Gnome Media Center

2007-02-14 Thread Ross Burton
On Wed, 2007-02-14 at 10:44 +, Emmanuele Bassi wrote: there was a proposal for the desktop places on the wiki: http://live.gnome.org/DesktopPlaces which is entirely doable now that we have an API to access local bookmarks (GBookmarkFile in GLib). applications can install a bookmark

Re: Call for a Gnome Media Center

2007-02-14 Thread John Stowers
Mandriva provide default directory layout for Music, image, etc. How do Mac OS X ? I guess we should have something similar to g_get_home_dir (), g_get_config_dir () for media. This should be done in XDG. This sounds a bit like we are doing the job of the computer here. To a large extent I

Re: Call for a Gnome Media Center

2007-02-14 Thread Emmanuele Bassi
hi; On Wed, 2007-02-14 at 11:02 +, Ross Burton wrote: On Wed, 2007-02-14 at 10:44 +, Emmanuele Bassi wrote: there was a proposal for the desktop places on the wiki: http://live.gnome.org/DesktopPlaces which is entirely doable now that we have an API to access local

Re: Call for a Gnome Media Center

2007-02-14 Thread Alan Horkan
On Wed, 14 Feb 2007, Ross Burton wrote: Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2007 10:22:37 + From: Ross Burton [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: GNOME Desktop Devel List desktop-devel-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Call for a Gnome Media Center On Wed, 2007-02-14 at 10:56 +0100, Christian F.K. Schaller wrote

Re: Call for a Gnome Media Center

2007-02-14 Thread Rodrigo Moya
On Wed, 2007-02-14 at 12:07 +, Alan Horkan wrote: [Personally I think a folder ~/Documents/ is needed with other user files such as music, pictures, spreadsheets, and anything else getting put in subfolders of ~/Documents/ rather than creating lots of folders like ~/Music directly in the

Re: Call for a Gnome Media Center

2007-02-14 Thread Emmanuele Bassi
hi; On Wed, 2007-02-14 at 13:47 +0100, Rodrigo Moya wrote: On Wed, 2007-02-14 at 12:07 +, Alan Horkan wrote: [Personally I think a folder ~/Documents/ is needed with other user files such as music, pictures, spreadsheets, and anything else getting put in subfolders of ~/Documents/

Re: Call for a Gnome Media Center

2007-02-14 Thread Alan Horkan
On Wed, 14 Feb 2007, Emmanuele Bassi wrote: Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2007 12:48:28 + From: Emmanuele Bassi [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: desktop-devel-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Call for a Gnome Media Center hi; On Wed, 2007-02-14 at 13:47 +0100, Rodrigo Moya wrote: On Wed, 2007-02-14 at 12:07

Re: Call for a Gnome Media Center

2007-02-14 Thread Étienne Bersac
Hi, Anjuta also propose ~/Projects, gnome-user-share use ~/Public, and apache use ~/public_html (locally, i use ~/WWW). etc. Étienne. ___ desktop-devel-list mailing list desktop-devel-list@gnome.org

Re: Call for a Gnome Media Center

2007-02-14 Thread Emmanuele Bassi
On Wed, 2007-02-14 at 13:19 +, Alan Horkan wrote: I disagree strongly but that isn't important right now. Although we could drag the discussion on further, you trimmed the most (only?) important part of the message, I hope we can both agree we do need standard folders for things like

Re: Call for a Gnome Media Center

2007-02-14 Thread David Nielsen
ons, 14 02 2007 kl. 11:02 +, skrev Ross Burton: On Wed, 2007-02-14 at 10:44 +, Emmanuele Bassi wrote: there was a proposal for the desktop places on the wiki: http://live.gnome.org/DesktopPlaces which is entirely doable now that we have an API to access local bookmarks

Re: Call for a Gnome Media Center

2007-02-14 Thread Richard Hughes
On Wed, 2007-02-14 at 11:08 +, Emmanuele Bassi wrote: as we do with the icons (for the cache) and the MIME associations, we (gtk+) can provide a small tool for installing the desktop places bookmarks: gtk-bookmark-install sound-juicer.places this tool can do conflict resolution

Re: Call for a Gnome Media Center

2007-02-14 Thread Alan
I already consider it a bug that f-spot forces ~/Photos on me, if it Seconded with the various directories. becomes the norm to assume that people speak English or even like their interface in English I'd have to dig my eyeballs out or something to bear the pain. There has to be a way to

Re: Call for a Gnome Media Center

2007-02-14 Thread Emmanuele Bassi
hi; On Wed, 2007-02-14 at 13:50 +, Richard Hughes wrote: On Wed, 2007-02-14 at 11:08 +, Emmanuele Bassi wrote: as we do with the icons (for the cache) and the MIME associations, we (gtk+) can provide a small tool for installing the desktop places bookmarks:

Re: Call for a Gnome Media Center

2007-02-14 Thread Richard Hughes
On Wed, 2007-02-14 at 14:15 +, Emmanuele Bassi wrote: On Wed, 2007-02-14 at 13:50 +, Richard Hughes wrote: On Wed, 2007-02-14 at 11:08 +, Emmanuele Bassi wrote: as we do with the icons (for the cache) and the MIME associations, we (gtk+) can provide a small tool for installing

Re: Call for a Gnome Media Center

2007-02-14 Thread Ross Burton
On Wed, 2007-02-14 at 16:26 +0200, Tshepang Lekhonkhobe wrote: I was also surprised why them people on this thread were so concerned by Music and whatever folders they want to store the media in when you can just index the whole thing, and thanks for mentioning that fabulous Tracker of things.

Re: Call for a Gnome Media Center

2007-02-14 Thread Emmanuele Bassi
On Thu, 2007-02-15 at 00:08 +1300, John Stowers wrote: Mandriva provide default directory layout for Music, image, etc. How do Mac OS X ? I guess we should have something similar to g_get_home_dir (), g_get_config_dir () for media. This should be done in XDG. This sounds a bit like we are

Re: Call for a Gnome Media Center

2007-02-14 Thread Florian Boucault
Hello, Before thinking about a media centre for GNOME, it is really important to understand that any media centre relies heavily on indexed metadata. As a developer of the Elisa media centre, I would rather focus on usability issue and multimedia features than on doing over and over again the

Re: Call for a Gnome Media Center

2007-02-14 Thread Alan Horkan
On Wed, 14 Feb 2007, Ross Burton wrote: On Wed, 2007-02-14 at 16:26 +0200, Tshepang Lekhonkhobe wrote: I was also surprised why them people on this thread were so concerned by Music and whatever folders they want to store the media in when you can just index the whole thing, and thanks

Re: Call for a Gnome Media Center

2007-02-14 Thread Martin Meyer
Here a (possibly bad) idea for setting up the default locations for photos and music: Use a gconf key to specify the current locations of the Photos and Music places. The default directories could be localized versions of ~/Music and ~/Photos (my preference), and there could be a control panel

Re: Call for a Gnome Media Center

2007-02-14 Thread Christian F.K. Schaller
If Directory names are localized in the GUI do it really matter what they are called in the filesystem? I mean the whole Unix file hierarchy is essentially English as it is. Christian On Wed, 2007-02-14 at 11:14 -0500, Martin Meyer wrote: Here a (possibly bad) idea for setting up the default

Re: Call for a Gnome Media Center

2007-02-14 Thread Florian Boucault
It does at least for applications which are not aware of anything else than the bare filesystem. Florian El mié, 14-02-2007 a las 17:24 +0100, Christian F.K. Schaller escribió: If Directory names are localized in the GUI do it really matter what they are called in the filesystem? I mean the

Re: Call for a Gnome Media Center

2007-02-14 Thread Luis Villa
[I'll note that the direction the rest of this thread has gone is indicative of why I'm very, very pessimistic about the long-term health of GNOME right now. Take this as a mild attempt to get back on track by talking about users and user experience instead of capitalization of directories which

Re: Call for a Gnome Media Center

2007-02-14 Thread Alan
* Code in multiple places to make sure directory names are migrated when locale is changed. People may (and often will) run programs in multiple locales at a time so the migration thing probably doesn't matter. Nautilus might want a menu option on a directory for Make this my default

Re: Call for a Gnome Media Center

2007-02-14 Thread Alan
On Wed, 14 Feb 2007 17:24:21 +0100 Christian F.K. Schaller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If Directory names are localized in the GUI do it really matter what they are called in the filesystem? I mean the whole Unix file hierarchy is essentially English as it is. Everything breaks horribly the

Re: Call for a Gnome Media Center

2007-02-14 Thread Murray Cumming
On Wed, 2007-02-14 at 11:27 -0500, Luis Villa wrote: [I'll note that the direction the rest of this thread has gone is indicative of why I'm very, very pessimistic about the long-term health of GNOME right now. Take this as a mild attempt to get back on track by talking about users and user

prioritization [was Re: Call for a Gnome Media Center]

2007-02-14 Thread Luis Villa
On 2/14/07, Murray Cumming [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 2007-02-14 at 11:27 -0500, Luis Villa wrote: [I'll note that the direction the rest of this thread has gone is indicative of why I'm very, very pessimistic about the long-term health of GNOME right now. Take this as a mild attempt

Re: prioritization [was Re: Call for a Gnome Media Center]

2007-02-14 Thread Christian F.K. Schaller
On Wed, 2007-02-14 at 12:59 -0500, Luis Villa wrote: While we're busy having that discussion, and not discussing media centers, Apple and Microsoft are busy developing Apple TV and Xbox and kicking our asses in yet another area. I think you are being overly negative here Luis. A discussion

Re: Call for a Gnome Media Center

2007-02-14 Thread Tshepang Lekhonkhobe
On 2/14/07, Ross Burton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 2007-02-14 at 16:26 +0200, Tshepang Lekhonkhobe wrote: I always found the Microsoft way of naming things ridiculous (My Documents, Program Files), and I surely won't name my music directory the ugly Music, rather 'music' or 'sounds'

Re: prioritization [was Re: Call for a Gnome Media Center]

2007-02-14 Thread Luis Villa
On 2/14/07, Christian F.K. Schaller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: the Elisa hackers are not sitting on their hands Of course. I didn't mean to belittle them, or the mugshot team, or any of the various other teams who are working on furthering GNOME while avoiding desktop-devel. I had written a much

Re: Call for a Gnome Media Center

2007-02-13 Thread Christian F.K. Schaller
Hi, Thought someone from Fluendo should chime in on this as Elisa been mentioned. In general we would be interested in having Elisa be the media center add-on to GNOME. So the question is what the community would expect from a 'GNOME media center'. We are already using as mentioned by many gnome

Re: Call for a Gnome Media Center

2007-02-13 Thread Rodrigo Moya
On Tue, 2007-02-13 at 17:51 +0100, Christian F.K. Schaller wrote: Hi, Thought someone from Fluendo should chime in on this as Elisa been mentioned. In general we would be interested in having Elisa be the media center add-on to GNOME. So the question is what the community would expect from a

Re: Call for a Gnome Media Center

2007-02-13 Thread Alex Jones
I think what is needed here is an (albeit huge) co-ordinated effort into some kind of GNOME Media system, where a video player (Totem) and a music jukebox (Rhythmbox) and a media centre (???) can share code, libraries, UI conventions, and importantly, one database. I don't see a lot of point in

Re: Call for a Gnome Media Center

2007-02-13 Thread Martin Meyer
I for one would like to see a network file browser of some kind in any media center app. If I run this Gnome Media Center on an HTPC in my living room, I want to be able to access the media stored *anywhere* in my house. The majority of it is on my desktop, but when someone comes over with a

Re: Call for a Gnome Media Center

2007-02-11 Thread Ross Burton
On Sun, 2007-02-11 at 11:23 +0100, Étienne Bersac wrote: You may be interested in the Elisa media centre project: http://www.fluendo.com/elisa/ Thanks ! That's exactly what i was looking for. However, that's not very usable yet. It's more usable that your proposal (get someone to start

Re: Call for a Gnome Media Center

2007-02-11 Thread Étienne Bersac
Hi, It's more usable that your proposal (get someone to start something from scratch) as it exists, so I don't see your point. Elisa has exactly the same goals as the Apple and Microsoft media centres. Hi, my proposal was just a braindump, useful in case no project were up. Since Elisa is

Re: Call for a Gnome Media Center

2007-02-11 Thread Luis Villa
On 2/11/07, Étienne Bersac [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, It's more usable that your proposal (get someone to start something from scratch) as it exists, so I don't see your point. Elisa has exactly the same goals as the Apple and Microsoft media centres. Hi, my proposal was just a

Call for a Gnome Media Center

2007-02-10 Thread Étienne Bersac
Hi all, With the integration of Gnome media shortcut in Totem and Rhythmbox and appleir driver for Apple Remote, i was able to play with Apple Remote and rhythmbox. However, Gnome does not have a kind of media center. What do you think about such software ? Gstreamer going mature, it would be

[Fwd: Call for a Gnome Media Center]

2007-02-10 Thread Jason Brower
Forwarded Message From: Étienne Bersac [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: desktop-devel-list desktop-devel-list@gnome.org Subject: Call for a Gnome Media Center Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2007 00:22:32 +0100 Hi all, With the integration of Gnome media shortcut in Totem and Rhythmbox and appleir driver for Apple

Re: Call for a Gnome Media Center

2007-02-10 Thread Stéphan Kochen
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello, You may be interested in the Elisa media centre project: http://www.fluendo.com/elisa/ I've never tried it personally. I don't have a suitable machine to run a media centre on. The technologies it uses (GStreamer, OpenGL, Python) make it