Re: On breaking the woohoo barrier...thoughts on how GNOME can get great

2006-07-18 Thread Calum Benson
On Mon, 2006-07-17 at 16:17 +0530, Sankarshan Mukhopadhyay wrote: > One of the things that seems to be drifting with GNOME both in its > current form and in the upcoming (and proposed Topaz) is that a whole > bunch of features are getting tossed at the end user without actively > bundling them tog

Re: On breaking the woohoo barrier...thoughts on how GNOME can get great

2006-07-17 Thread Havoc Pennington
Sankarshan Mukhopadhyay wrote: > On 7/14/06, *Jeff Waugh* <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > wrote: > > I have been banging on this drum in the Ubuntu community for a > while, but I > guess I haven't been banging it sufficiently loud in GNOME: Whenever > we talk >

Re: On breaking the woohoo barrier...thoughts on how GNOME can get great

2006-07-17 Thread Sankarshan Mukhopadhyay
On 7/14/06, Jeff Waugh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I have been banging on this drum in the Ubuntu community for a while, but Iguess I haven't been banging it sufficiently loud in GNOME: Whenever we talkabout GNOME, we *must* talk first and foremost about benefits, and then back it up with the featur

Re: On breaking the woohoo barrier...thoughts on how GNOME can get great

2006-07-17 Thread Claudio Saavedra
On Sat, 2006-07-15 at 09:59 +0300, Kalle Vahlman wrote: > And you are exactly right that for People, we only should market one > language. The one they want to use. Then it surely should be: "GNOME does cool stuff AND has support for YOUR language". (but of course that is just one little thing)

Personas (was Re: On breaking the woohoo barrier...thoughts on how GNOME can get great)

2006-07-15 Thread Gergely Nagy
We listed some user categories for www.gnome.org [1][2]. We'd like easy entry points for target user groups to get more info, whether they are new users just getting started, or experienced users looking for what's new. [1] http://live.gnome.org/GnomeWeb/GuadecMapping [2] http://live.gnome.org/Gno

Re: On breaking the woohoo barrier...thoughts on how GNOME can get great

2006-07-15 Thread Kalle Vahlman
2006/7/14, Iain * <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > On 7/13/06, Jeff Waugh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > I have been banging on this drum in the Ubuntu community for a while, but I > > guess I haven't been banging it sufficiently loud in GNOME: Whenever we talk > > about GNOME, we *must* talk first

Re: On breaking the woohoo barrier...thoughts on how GNOME can get great

2006-07-14 Thread Glynn Foster
Calum Benson wrote: > Quim Gil wrote: >> El dv 14 de 07 del 2006 a les 08:41 +0200, en/na Murray Cumming va >> escriure: >> >>> Should anyone ever get around to creating some GNOME personas >> Someone started http://live.gnome.org/Personas months ago. Yeah, and I tried to do something like that

Re: On breaking the woohoo barrier...thoughts on how GNOME can get great

2006-07-14 Thread Iain *
On 7/13/06, Jeff Waugh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > I have been banging on this drum in the Ubuntu community for a while, but I > guess I haven't been banging it sufficiently loud in GNOME: Whenever we talk > about GNOME, we *must* talk first and foremost about benefits, and then back > it up

Re: On breaking the woohoo barrier...thoughts on how GNOME can get great

2006-07-14 Thread Darren Kenny
Calum, Isn't that why some Wikis export an RSS feed - which provides information about the changes - ok it can be a bit noisy, but that depends on the Wiki implementation... Still better than subscribing to an alias. Darren. Calum Benson wrote: > Quim Gil wrote: >> El dv 14 de 07 del 2006 a les

Re: On breaking the woohoo barrier...thoughts on how GNOME can get great

2006-07-14 Thread Elijah Newren
On 7/14/06, Calum Benson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Quim Gil wrote: > > El dv 14 de 07 del 2006 a les 08:41 +0200, en/na Murray Cumming va > > escriure: > > > >> Should anyone ever get around to creating some GNOME personas > > > > Someone started http://live.gnome.org/Personas months ago. > > Ye

Re: On breaking the woohoo barrier...thoughts on how GNOME can get great

2006-07-14 Thread Quim Gil
El dv 14 de 07 del 2006 a les 08:41 +0200, en/na Murray Cumming va escriure: > Should anyone ever get around to creating some GNOME personas Someone started http://live.gnome.org/Personas months ago. However, I've just had a look to http://primates.ximian.com/~federico/docs/gnome-deployments-20

Re: On breaking the woohoo barrier...thoughts on how GNOME can get great

2006-07-14 Thread Calum Benson
Quim Gil wrote: > El dv 14 de 07 del 2006 a les 08:41 +0200, en/na Murray Cumming va > escriure: > >> Should anyone ever get around to creating some GNOME personas > > Someone started http://live.gnome.org/Personas months ago. Yeesh, didn't know that. Has anybody ever come up with an effective

Re: On breaking the woohoo barrier...thoughts on how GNOME can get great

2006-07-14 Thread Kalle Vahlman
2006/7/14, Iain * <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Does GNOME have a "product" to market? How many people really get > GNOME from GNOME as opposed to the distros? GNOME does not have binary releases, so you can pretty much guess what the number is among regular users :) > Is it more the distros > place to

Re: On breaking the woohoo barrier...thoughts on how GNOME can get great

2006-07-14 Thread Murray Cumming
> > >> Kathy's talk on passionate users, Apple's "Mac vs PC" adverts and their >> success with making things cool have shown us that people don't care >> about >> what a computer can do, but what they can do with a computer (there may >> be >> more of a difference in my mind, I'm just lacking a g

Re: On breaking the woohoo barrier...thoughts on how GNOME can get great

2006-07-13 Thread Rich Burridge
Iain wrote: > Kathy's talk on passionate users, Apple's "Mac vs PC" adverts and > their success with making things cool have shown us that people don't > care about what a computer can do, but what they can do with a > computer (there may be more of a difference in my mind, I'm just > lacking

Re: On breaking the woohoo barrier...thoughts on how GNOME can get great

2006-07-13 Thread Jeff Waugh
> Kathy's talk on passionate users, Apple's "Mac vs PC" adverts and their > success with making things cool have shown us that people don't care about > what a computer can do, but what they can do with a computer (there may be > more of a difference in my mind, I'm just lacking a good way of exp

Re: On breaking the woohoo barrier...thoughts on how GNOME can get great

2006-07-13 Thread Sriram Ramkrishna
On Thu, Jul 13, 2006 at 10:37:34PM +0100, Iain * wrote: > Some questions that I don't have answers for: > > Does GNOME have a "product" to market? How many people really get > GNOME from GNOME as opposed to the distros? Is it more the distros > place to take the software we write and put it togeth

On breaking the woohoo barrier...thoughts on how GNOME can get great

2006-07-13 Thread Iain *
Stuff I've been thinking about for a while, from things people (luis, havoc to name the two I can think of) had said, things I'd seen and then also Kathy's talk at GUADEC, and I guess the recent what apps are we including this time round mails have got me thinking about it some more. This will prob