Re: Passive resistance [was: Re: Announcing GNOME's official GitHub mirror]

2013-08-25 Thread fr33domlover
I'm not a module maintainer, just a community member trying to make sure you don't make your relation to GitHub tighter than it already is. GitHub probably has cool features and is probably the best of its kind (which helps free software), but on the other hand it is proprietary and centralized.

Re: Passive resistance [was: Re: Announcing GNOME's official GitHub mirror]

2013-08-25 Thread Tobias Mueller
Hi. On 25.08.2013 10:54, fr33domlover wrote: which is why I suggest a switch: Let maintainers turn off the mirroring. I think it is safe to assume that your suggestion was heard. You are free to implement that. And in case it wasn't clear: You are very welcome to implement the relevant logic

Re: Passive resistance [was: Re: Announcing GNOME's official GitHub mirror]

2013-08-25 Thread Zeeshan Ali (Khattak)
On Sun, Aug 25, 2013 at 11:54 AM, fr33domlover fr33domlo...@mailoo.org wrote: I'm not a module maintainer, just a community member trying to make sure you don't make your relation to GitHub tighter than it already is. ... I don't believe anyone has the right or the ability to decide what's

Re: Passive resistance [was: Re: Announcing GNOME's official GitHub mirror]

2013-08-25 Thread Michael Catanzaro
On Sun, 2013-08-25 at 17:45 +0300, Zeeshan Ali (Khattak) wrote: Exactly how many maintainers have shown interest in this? fr33domlover, your passion for software freedom is admirable, but even RMS was all in favor of GitHub until he found out that they compress their JavaScript. (Frankly I don't

Re: Passive resistance [was: Re: Announcing GNOME's official GitHub mirror]

2013-08-25 Thread fr33domlover
On א', 2013-08-25 at 11:59 -0500, Michael Catanzaro wrote: On Sun, 2013-08-25 at 17:45 +0300, Zeeshan Ali (Khattak) wrote: Exactly how many maintainers have shown interest in this? fr33domlover, your passion for software freedom is admirable, Thanks. I hope it inspires someone here and

Re: Passive resistance [was: Re: Announcing GNOME's official GitHub mirror]

2013-08-24 Thread fr33domlover
:כתב Olav Vitters, 2013-08-18 13:05 בתאריך On Fri, Aug 16, 2013 at 10:20:31PM +0300, fr33domlover wrote: Therefore, by turning off mirroring for a module, you don't block anything or stop anything - you just avoid pointing to a proprietary service, which is legitimate in my opinion.

Re: Passive resistance [was: Re: Announcing GNOME's official GitHub mirror]

2013-08-18 Thread Olav Vitters
On Fri, Aug 16, 2013 at 10:00:38AM +0200, Matteo Settenvini wrote: If there's interest, we could draft a paragraph or two, so that a bit of uniformity in communicating our ideals takes the form of a wider protest. I recommend not doing this. The code is published under the GPL. If you don't

Re: Passive resistance [was: Re: Announcing GNOME's official GitHub mirror]

2013-08-18 Thread Olav Vitters
On Fri, Aug 16, 2013 at 04:50:14PM +0200, Matteo Settenvini wrote: In the end, I might just do so, if everyone turns out to be uninterested in the fundamental values of free software. For once, I might start by canceling my monthly donations. And with me, others — fewer than you would gain by

Re: Passive resistance [was: Re: Announcing GNOME's official GitHub mirror]

2013-08-18 Thread Olav Vitters
On Fri, Aug 16, 2013 at 10:20:31PM +0300, fr33domlover wrote: Therefore, by turning off mirroring for a module, you don't block anything or stop anything - you just avoid pointing to a proprietary service, which is legitimate in my opinion. git.gnome.org is also available on Google. It indexes

Passive resistance [was: Re: Announcing GNOME's official GitHub mirror]

2013-08-16 Thread Matteo Settenvini
Il giorno gio, 15/08/2013 alle 12.07 +0200, Alexandre Franke ha scritto: On Thu, Aug 15, 2013 at 11:49 AM, Alberto Ruiz ar...@gnome.org wrote: I really don't care much about my code being mirrored anywhere. At least gitorious would be ethically acceptable, so it wouldn't bother me, but I

Re: Passive resistance [was: Re: Announcing GNOME's official GitHub mirror]

2013-08-16 Thread fr33domlover
This is a great idea, but only if enough maintainers cooperate with it. Otherwise, the Gnome officially using GitHub message is stronger than a few small modules having your README.md file, while all other modules have READMEs of the common kind. Judging by replies here, I'm afraid there's no

Re: Passive resistance [was: Re: Announcing GNOME's official GitHub mirror]

2013-08-16 Thread Matteo Settenvini
Il giorno ven, 16/08/2013 alle 12.22 +0300, fr33domlover ha scritto: This is a great idea, but only if enough maintainers cooperate with it. Otherwise, the Gnome officially using GitHub message is stronger than a few small modules having your README.md file, while all other modules have

Re: Passive resistance [was: Re: Announcing GNOME's official GitHub mirror]

2013-08-16 Thread fr33domlover
On ו', 2013-08-16 at 12:00 +0200, Matteo Settenvini wrote: Il giorno ven, 16/08/2013 alle 12.22 +0300, fr33domlover ha scritto: This is a great idea, but only if enough maintainers cooperate with it. Otherwise, the Gnome officially using GitHub message is stronger than a few small modules

Re: Passive resistance [was: Re: Announcing GNOME's official GitHub mirror]

2013-08-16 Thread Jeremy Bicha
On 16 August 2013 07:48, fr33domlover fr33domlo...@mailoo.org wrote: True, I don't suggest to prevent the mirrors: Just not automate. Anyone can create a mirror manually, and it's their freedom to do so. But I don't think maintainers should have their modules automatically synced to GitHub

Re: Passive resistance [was: Re: Announcing GNOME's official GitHub mirror]

2013-08-16 Thread Jasper St. Pierre
As I've said before, GNOME uses proprietary services for collaboration and outreach. We have active presences on the proprietary communication services Google+, Facebook, and Twitter. We displayed a large Twitter wall at GUADEC showing tweets tagged with the hashtag #guadec. GitHub is just

Re: Passive resistance [was: Re: Announcing GNOME's official GitHub mirror]

2013-08-16 Thread Hubert Figuière
On 16/08/13 05:22 AM, fr33domlover wrote: Judging by replies here, I'm afraid there's no enough interest. All the names I recognized here support the GitHub mirrors, while the voices against them are people whose name I never saw, or are maintainers of less popular modules. Please, tell us

Re: Passive resistance [was: Re: Announcing GNOME's official GitHub mirror]

2013-08-16 Thread Matteo Settenvini
Il giorno ven, 16/08/2013 alle 10.17 -0400, Jasper St. Pierre ha scritto: As I've said before, GNOME uses proprietary services for collaboration and outreach. We have active presences on the proprietary communication services Google+, Facebook, and Twitter. We displayed a large Twitter wall

Re: Passive resistance [was: Re: Announcing GNOME's official GitHub mirror]

2013-08-16 Thread Debarshi Ray
On Fri, Aug 16, 2013 at 04:50:14PM +0200, Matteo Settenvini wrote: those services have the same problems of github, and free alternatives do exist. So, for starters ... - What is the free alternative to Google Hangouts? - What is the free alternative to Twitter with the same user base? This

Re: Passive resistance [was: Re: Announcing GNOME's official GitHub mirror]

2013-08-16 Thread Shaun McCance
On Fri, 2013-08-16 at 10:17 -0400, Jasper St. Pierre wrote: There's possibly a discussion to have about whether GNOME should use proprietary services for outreach, but GitHub isn't really anything new here. In my opinion, if you feel strongly about the use of proprietary services for

Re: Passive resistance [was: Re: Announcing GNOME's official GitHub mirror]

2013-08-16 Thread Jasper St. Pierre
On Fri, Aug 16, 2013 at 10:50 AM, Matteo Settenvini matteo...@member.fsf.org wrote: Il giorno ven, 16/08/2013 alle 10.17 -0400, Jasper St. Pierre ha scritto: As I've said before, GNOME uses proprietary services for collaboration and outreach. We have active presences on the proprietary

Re: Passive resistance [was: Re: Announcing GNOME's official GitHub mirror]

2013-08-16 Thread Jasper St. Pierre
On Fri, Aug 16, 2013 at 11:10 AM, Shaun McCance sha...@gnome.org wrote: On Fri, 2013-08-16 at 10:17 -0400, Jasper St. Pierre wrote: There's possibly a discussion to have about whether GNOME should use proprietary services for outreach, but GitHub isn't really anything new here. In my

Re: Passive resistance [was: Re: Announcing GNOME's official GitHub mirror]

2013-08-16 Thread Frederic Peters
Jasper St. Pierre wrote: If you're not happy with that, we can certainly bring it up to the board and talk about it, but from how I see things, I don't think we'll remove GNOME Online Accounts integration or stop our Twitter marketing campaigns. So, I'm saying that if you're not happy with

Re: Passive resistance [was: Re: Announcing GNOME's official GitHub mirror]

2013-08-16 Thread Andreas Nilsson
On 08/16/2013 05:36 PM, Jasper St. Pierre wrote: On Fri, Aug 16, 2013 at 11:10 AM, Shaun McCance sha...@gnome.org mailto:sha...@gnome.org wrote: On Fri, 2013-08-16 at 10:17 -0400, Jasper St. Pierre wrote: There's possibly a discussion to have about whether GNOME should use

Re: Passive resistance [was: Re: Announcing GNOME's official GitHub mirror]

2013-08-16 Thread Allan Day
Shaun McCance sha...@gnome.org wrote: There's possibly a discussion to have about whether GNOME should use proprietary services for outreach, but GitHub isn't really anything new here. In my opinion, if you feel strongly about the use of proprietary services for outreach, perhaps GNOME isn't

Re: Passive resistance [was: Re: Announcing GNOME's official GitHub mirror]

2013-08-16 Thread fr33domlover
On ו', 2013-08-16 at 10:11 -0400, Jeremy Bicha wrote: On 16 August 2013 07:48, fr33domlover fr33domlo...@mailoo.org wrote: True, I don't suggest to prevent the mirrors: Just not automate. Anyone can create a mirror manually, and it's their freedom to do so. But I don't think maintainers

Re: gitorious limitations [was: Re: Passive resistance [was: Re: Announcing GNOME's official GitHub mirror]]

2013-08-16 Thread Jasper St. Pierre
On Fri, Aug 16, 2013 at 3:52 PM, Matteo Settenvini mat...@member.fsf.orgwrote: Il giorno ven, 16/08/2013 alle 11.27 -0400, Jasper St. Pierre ha scritto: On Fri, Aug 16, 2013 at 10:50 AM, Matteo Settenvini matteo...@member.fsf.org wrote: Besides, while github is not free, gitorious